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From: Brian Scott Haskett <haskett@cs.utexas.edu>
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Whoa... A virgin mailing list, I feel so priveleged! :)

OK- Let me introduce myself.  I am a CS major at UT, and am currently 
employed with IBM.  I worked for 4 years for Oceaneering International, 
specifically in the ROV devision.  (ROV = Remotely Operated Vehicle).  
The ROV's that we build were sub-sea robots, used mostly by the Navy and 
the oil industry, but some use by excavators (Space Shuttle Challenger).

So the purpose of the above information is to let you know that I have 
been around a lot of EE people, and I have helped build the electronics 
on these things.  As a CS student, I am specializing in software 
development in the area of engineering-type tools.  I'm good at 
programming, but I am lacking in the EE dept.  I feel 110% confident that 
I could program an EFI system, but I don't have a good understanding of 
the hardware involved.  I am familiar with A/D boards, however.

Rather than diving headfirst into a project to development my on EFI, I 
would like to start out by monitoring the vehicle's computer with a 
computer.  The best way for me to start out is probably to get an A/D 
board, and something that I will be able to use for a long time (IE- has 
enough functions so that I can do more with it as I learn).

So any suggestions on a *cheap* a/d board?  I went to the library this 
past summer and got info out of one of the EE mag's on making an A/D 
board, but it didn't look like it would do too well with a car.  Not 
enough input/outputs.

I have used Analog Devices boards, and GenPak boards.  I tried to contact 
Analog Devices recently, but never was able to find them.  GenPak is very 
expensive, and isn't really an option (unless they have some stuff that 
is cheaper than what we used at OI).

One more thing-  I have an '84 Z28, but for performance reasons, the 
computer now serves no purpose.  I'm trying to think of a way to take 
advantage of the hardware sitting in there, and can't think of anything.  

Sorry that this wasn't too much about EFI, but if I can get set up, then 
I`ll be plugging away!  I think that we can all learn a lot quicker if we 
share what we have, and I am willing to do some programming for the 
list.  If anybody has a programming need, and a number of people on the 
list would use it, I would be happy to contribute.

-Brian




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It's feeling a little used know... :)

Let me introduce myself too. I'm a electrical engineering grad student.  I
graduated back in '86 with a BS... work for a while in the defense industry
as a CPU hardware guy (I used 6809's and 68HC11's as controllers for airborne
synthetic aperture radar systems).... and then returned to grad school. For a
little over six years now I've been studying how to make low observable
(stealth) aircraft. Well, now that I'm about to graduate that market is 
gone :(. Such is life.

Anyways, my latest passion (rather resurgence) is playing with engines. Come
to think of it, most of my toys all have engines (RC planes/boats/cars, dirt
bike, Jeep,...). I liked what I read in Brian's post. If we can get a hand
full of people together that can each contribute to a portion of an EFI
project, I have no doubt that we can realize some of these dreams.

That's a good lead into what I believe should be the first order of
business. I personally believe, especially at this level of prototyping, that
our first step should be to standardize on a bus configuration that each of
us could adapt to. For instance, I have a small circuit to measure RPM that
simply plugs into the tach port of my MSD unit.  It's just a simple state
machine based in a GAL chip that controls a 82C54 (10MHZ programmable timer)
with a high speed comparator/conditioner (ok, looks like 14 components for
conditioning and surge protection). Its use is simple and does not require
CPU intervention.  For everyone interested in taking advantage of this
circuit and knowing that we will never get everyone to agree upon the same CPU,
it would be to our advantage if we could agreed upon a common bus structure
that would be compatible with each of these small sensor interface circuits.
That also gives us the flexibility to change circuits easily for upgrades and
enhancements. I'm thinking something *vary* simple that could be adapted to
by everything from a parallel port of a laptop to a single board 68HC11. In
other words a common point that we can work from since I feel its ridiculous
to expect the entire design at once. This also gives us the ability to start
small with simple "engine instrumentation" that will then expand into the
final "engine management" system.

I would like to hear comments for everyone on this as this is something that
must be decided up-front. It will be much more difficult to work together if
we all use the CPU bus directly (i.e., asynchronous 68000 type CPU bus vs the
synchronous 68HC11 vs the parallel port on a lap top). IMHO, we need a common
point between all of these approaches.




                                       John S Gwynne
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From Diy_Efi-Owner  Thu May  5 04:28:35 1994
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So are we supposed to introduce ourselves when we join?

Right now I'm a computer science undegrad at Middle Tennessee State
University.  I spent three years as a mechanical engineering major at
UTexas-Austin, and way too much time on SAE student design competition
projects.  My electronics background is pretty much nill, but I have
done some FI calibrations.  The systems I've calibrated used the 91
GM v-8 TBI ECM or the EFI Technologies Performance Series ECU.  I'm
also familiar with some of the FI equipment used with CNG.

-- 
Jonathan R. Lusky  --  lusky@knuth.mtsu.edu
 "Turbos are nice but I'd rather be blown!"
   89 Jeep Wrangler - 258 / pile of junk!
       80 Toyota Celica - 20R / 5spd

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Well- Its great that a mailing list just for EFI ECU/M design
is here.


I'm a Computer Science student at UH now. But I'll be at UT in Austin
next year.  I've been real interested ECU/M operation and modification
ever since I bought a Chevy in January.  I am somewhat familiar with
the GNC3 in the Grand Nationals and Turbo Trans-Ams.  Right now I'm
working on 5.7L TBI modification.

As far as electronics, I am pretty handy with 8048s.

Hope this mailing list takes off!

Jeff Fisher
st3xd@jetson.uh.edu

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>development in the area of engineering-type tools.  I'm good at 
>programming, but I am lacking in the EE dept.  I feel 110% confident that 
>I could program an EFI system, but I don't have a good understanding of 
>the hardware involved.  

    Well, I'm sort of the opposite.  I'm a undergrad CS major with
plenty of FI hardware experience.  (I used to work summers in a junkyard
as a mechanic.  You learn FAST about all the systems, and how to
modify/repair factory systems with little instrumentation) I'd love to
build my own FI controller (see below), but I'm lacking in the
engineering department.

    My current "eternal resto project" is a '71 Cutlass.   It's a Olds
350 powered beast; in the late 70's/early 80's GM made a manifold for
these motors that was setup for port FI.   I have several of the
manifolds, but need a controller.

    Right now, I'm just trying to amass as much information as
possible.  Of course, this list has to come alive 1 week before I
leave school w/ easy mail access.   (But it's better than never!)

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                 --> ravalent@mailbox.syr.edu <--
           "Hard Acceleration Saves Costly Aggravation"

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For some time now, I have been kicking around an idea for a pet project of 
mine.  I have a 300 cubic inch straight six ford engine in a truck, and I 
am considering some sort of port efi.  I think I can get it to work with
a six cylinder setup off of something else.  I have also been thinking of
using a paxton supercharger on this setup.  Any problems I may run into?

I would want this to be totally closed loop, of course, and adjustable, 
as the truck currently is running a 4bbl, cam and headers, so it is not
stock, and I would not want to try and adapt the lame stock ford efi.

I thought about using a pro-jection or the like, but If I am going to 
do the work, I might as well go for max torque and mpg.  

Mark
e-mail replies welcome

mrshirle@mtu.edu


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An introduction, huh? After moving around NC,SC,TN, and IN, I'm finally
settled in at Oak Ridge National Lab where I work as a development engineer
in the Advanced Propulsion Technology Center. I'm an ME by trade. My
graduate work at Purdue focused on misfire detection in spark ignition
engines. My last job (prior to my wife's transfer to TN) was with Cummins
Engine. I worked on the control algorithms and control systems for Cummins'
new line of natural gas engines.

Control algorithms are no problem. I need to know more about real time
operating systems and some of the more esoteric hardware stuff.

I have two projects that I'm pseudo-working on at the moment. One is an
EFI system retrofit for my '72 Skylark. The second project is a single
cylinder EFI setup for the 250cc engine in a friend's sprint car.

Glad to see this list is getting going. Looking forward to a lot of good
info.

Jeff Armfield

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Ah, forgot to introduce myself....
I am a senior mechanical engineering student at Michigan Tech University, 
and my main focus is in engine design.  I started school with Electrical 
Engineering, and finding out it wasn't my bag, switched.  I am however, 
familiar with 6809, 68HC11 programming, and I guess I am just hung up on
how to actually control the electronics of the setup.
I am familiar with high-performance engines, and that is probably why
most of us are on this list, because if we wanted stock engines, we 
could buy a stock car right?  No flames please, correct me if I am wrong.

Mark


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Hi!

I'm a mechanical engineering sophomore at the University of Texas, and I 
too love cars.  As it stands, I don't possess a large working knowledge 
of electronic components (I am aware of the MC 6811 
microcontroller, though)  My specialty comes with the APPLICATION of 
engine control devices.  I work at a company that builds automotive 
superchargers, and I enjoy extracting maximum horsepower.  I'm here to 
learn, and would love to be of any assistance for anybody trying to build 
a system.  I've got my own ideas for my personal car...a 1968 BMW 2002.

Thanks!
Erik Frank
efrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
  

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Greetings from a small island in the Pacific Ocean.

I am a ME working as a network analyst, no programming and no 
engineering. I have been trying to get started on a digital ignition 
system for about a year now. This is just a hobby for me so sometimes I 
find time for it and sometimes its on the back burner. I have been 
gathering tools and information to try and make this project as easy as 
possible. I now have a scope, signal gen., a HC11 EVB and a good book 
just about the HC11 with some automotive application examples.

My biggest problem seems to be teaching myself assembler. I don't find 
assembler terribly exiting and would rather be using somebody else 
code; modifying it for my own purposes. I don't suppose any of the big 
developers have ever released any of their programs have they? Top 
secret stuff I hear.

As for a bus standard I am not sure I exactly understand what the 
options are and for what reasons but I vote for whatever works with the 68HC11.


Wes Evernden
Victoria, BC
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I would like to hear comments for everyone on this as this is something that
must be decided up-front. It will be much more difficult to work together if
we all use the CPU bus directly (i.e., asynchronous 68000 type CPU bus vs the
synchronous 68HC11 vs the parallel port on a lap top). IMHO, we need a common
point between all of these approaches.




                                       John S Gwynne
                                          Gwynne.1@osu.edu
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Date: Thu, 5 May 94 13:23:56 EDT
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> 
> Hi!
> 
> I'm a mechanical engineering sophomore at the University of Texas, and I 
> too love cars.  As it stands, I don't possess a large working knowledge 
> of electronic components (I am aware of the MC 6811 
> microcontroller, though)  My specialty comes with the APPLICATION of 
> engine control devices.  I work at a company that builds automotive 
> superchargers, and I enjoy extracting maximum horsepower.  I'm here to 
> learn, and would love to be of any assistance for anybody trying to build 
> a system.  I've got my own ideas for my personal car...a 1968 BMW 2002.
> 
> Thanks!
> Erik Frank
> efrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
>   
> 
Erik, what company do you work for?  I am interested in blow-through systems 
at present, as I don't have a good base for a compressor to bolt onto with
my I-6 project (Read previous post)
Also, how does the blower pressure affect the fuel pressure of the efi systems?
One more question, the pickup in question has a dual-tank system.  Would I need
to adapt two fuel pumps :( to the truck to utilize an efi retrofit?

Mark



