From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 11:15:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA32160 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:15:31 -0700 Received: from vehicle.me.berkeley.edu (vehicle.ME.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.125.243]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA32154 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:15:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (markw@localhost) by vehicle.me.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/2.7) with ESMTP id LAA28836 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:15:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from cert.ucr.edu (cert.ucr.edu [138.23.180.127]) by vehicle.me.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/2.7) with ESMTP id KAA28666 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 10:41:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from aplpc (aplpc.cert.ucr.edu [138.23.180.138]) by cert.ucr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18680 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 10:41:25 -0700 From: "John Collins" To: Subject: DIY-EFI References Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:41:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi, I found your site through a web search. Do you know where I can obtain the message definitions for communication with OBD-II compliant vehicles? SAE J1979 (OBD-II) communications work fine, but when I try to go beyond that by using SAE J1850, SAE J2178, and SAE J2190 to conduct extended diagnostic sessions I have only partial success. I seem to need manufacturer specific message definitions. I know that scan tool manufacturers come up with this information, but where do they get it? Thanks for any assistance, John ==================================================================== John F. Collins jcollins@cert.ucr.edu 1308 Saddleback Trail Camarillo, CA 93012 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 11:25:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA32471 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:25:49 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA01083 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 09:26:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:26:31 -0400 Received: from [206.15.143.14] by grolen.com id 635c0.wrk; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:26:58 EDT Message-ID: <3AC75678.A2F3EF0D@grolen.com> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:25:29 -0500 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #554 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Yes? Fisystems@aol.com wrote: > > list > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ----- End of forwarded message from owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 11:27:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA32540 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:27:29 -0700 Received: from mail.fwi.com (root@mail.fwi.com [209.84.160.95]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA23811 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:26:05 -0700 Received: from jrh (decatur-line-20.fwi.com [209.84.174.85]) by mail.fwi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13476; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:26:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005d01c0c376$60dfa280$5ecdfea9@jrh> From: "Jason R. Haines" To: "DIY_EFI" Cc: "GMECM" Subject: potting compound for ECM Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:31:13 -0500 Organization: Lingenfelter Performance Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I am not sure if anyone replied to my previous information request (Outlook Express went a little crazy on me the other day). I am still trying to find a good potting compound to use. The Chrysler ECM in question is fully potted with a yellow tinted clear potting compound that is probably 1" think filling the entire ECM. The compound is a bit soft to the touch (almost rubber like). Any ideas what this stuff is and who makes it and where I can get more? Jason ----- End of forwarded message from owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 12:03:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA01602 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:03:50 -0700 Received: from mail4.mx.voyager.net (mail4.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.203]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA01596 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:03:40 -0700 Received: from x4u1s2 (d93.as3.chcg1.il.voyager.net [169.207.201.221]) by mail4.mx.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f41D2Jn93920; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010501c0d272$7e59e860$78cacfa9@x4u1s2> From: "miked-ele" To: , "DIY_EFI" Cc: "GMECM" Subject: Re: potting compound for ECM Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:10:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org look to loctite or emmerson cumming for potting materials for electronics. The compound you have inquestion is either a silicone or urethane compound. McMaster Carr catalog has potting compounds that are easy to buy. MBD -----Original Message----- From: Jason R. Haines To: DIY_EFI Cc: GMECM Date: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: potting compound for ECM >I am not sure if anyone replied to my previous information request (Outlook >Express went a little crazy on me the other day). I am still trying to find >a good potting compound to use. The Chrysler ECM in question is fully potted >with a yellow tinted clear potting compound that is probably 1" think >filling the entire ECM. The compound is a bit soft to the touch (almost >rubber like). Any ideas what this stuff is and who makes it and where I can >get more? > > > >Jason > >----- End of forwarded message from owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org ----- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 12:04:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA01614 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:04:30 -0700 Received: from mail4.mx.voyager.net (mail4.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.203]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA01592; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:03:38 -0700 Received: from x4u1s2 (d93.as3.chcg1.il.voyager.net [169.207.201.221]) by mail4.mx.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f41D2Jn93920; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010501c0d272$7e59e860$78cacfa9@x4u1s2> From: "miked-ele" To: , "DIY_EFI" Cc: "GMECM" Subject: Re: potting compound for ECM Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:10:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org look to loctite or emmerson cumming for potting materials for electronics. The compound you have inquestion is either a silicone or urethane compound. McMaster Carr catalog has potting compounds that are easy to buy. MBD -----Original Message----- From: Jason R. Haines To: DIY_EFI Cc: GMECM Date: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: potting compound for ECM >I am not sure if anyone replied to my previous information request (Outlook >Express went a little crazy on me the other day). I am still trying to find >a good potting compound to use. The Chrysler ECM in question is fully potted >with a yellow tinted clear potting compound that is probably 1" think >filling the entire ECM. The compound is a bit soft to the touch (almost >rubber like). Any ideas what this stuff is and who makes it and where I can >get more? > > > >Jason > >----- End of forwarded message from owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org ----- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 12:14:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA01824 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:14:55 -0700 Received: from femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.147]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA01818 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:14:47 -0700 Received: from c1610674a ([24.250.38.22]) by femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010501191441.MWHD723.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c1610674a> for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:14:41 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c0d283$725fbec0$1626fa18@alntn1.tx.home.com> From: "Kris Weldy" To: References: <3AEEEB6F.B47FC4A0@tomquinn.com> Subject: Re: Rough running Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:12:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Just curious if you have hooked up an ambient air sensor or a manifold air temperature sensure in a different spot.I had a similiar problem with my volvo when i ran the haltech on it,the ambient air temp sensor registered 108degrees f because it was getting heat soaked by the exhaust,thus the haltech pulled too much fuel out of the fuel maps and after a couple of minutes power was horrible.Haltech claims that if you put the ambient air temp sensor downstream of the turbo-it may blow my motor due to the compressed and high temp air from the turbo(i have the old f7c which you canot change the ambient air temp maps),so its reccomended to mount into a place where heat soak is minimal.Hope this helps.-- Kris Weldy (AIM: VolvoFam3) Arlington, TX '87 760ti, 15psi w/B23FT, TO3/04E turbo, many mods > Howdy all, I am having problems with my FI install on my Toyota I6 motor > and was looking for some advice on how to tackle the problem. > > Background: > I have placed the Chevy TBI from a V6 Astrovan (4.3L) on to the I6 motor > in my Landcruiser (4.2L). My distributor is a DUI HEI unit that has the > Chevy ignition module in it but the body of it has been modified to fit > in the Toyota block (basically it looks like a Chevy unit to the > Computer). I have the timing adjusted to TDC (did it while disconnecting > the one wire the manual told me to disconnect). One wire O2 sensor. > Stock ESC. No knock sensor. No EGR. VSS sensor adapted to manual tranny. > All other sensors are installed. > > Problem: > When I initially start up the vehicle put it in gear and drive it down > the road it works great. Nice power, no hesitation, but idles around 1k. > > After about 2 or 3 blocks it starts to run horribly. Lots of hesitation, > sputtering, especially between 1k-2.5k. If I rev it out to 3-3.5k it > seems to help. It also will stall when I stop. Oddly enough after it > stalls and I start it up again it runs fine for a block or two but then > starts to run rough again. > > After around 10-20 minutes or I am guessing when the Coolant (sensor is > in the head and fluid level is topped off) is fully warmed up it runs > well. No stalling, no hesitation, there does seem to be a little > flatness or lack of power in the 1k-2k range, though. > > Newbe guess: > I used a scan tool and hooked it up to the ALDL and it did not give any > error codes. Would a heated O2 sensor help? Do I need to reprogram the > 747 prom? The motor sizes are pretty close so I though I wouldn't have > to reprogram. What kind of information should I try to get to help > figure out what is causing the problem or what is not causing the > problem? > > Thanks for the help.. > > -TomQ > SF,CA > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 12:16:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA01842 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:16:14 -0700 Received: from mail.bae.co.uk (mail.bae.co.uk [141.245.40.233]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA01838 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:16:08 -0700 Received: by mail.bae.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA15564; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:19:58 +0100 Received: from unknown (141.245.68.234) by BAe-DMZ via CSC. 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I have done the same on a 77 FJ40 with stock 2F engine. Contact me off list so we keep the list clear for other traffic. I am full of helpful solutions to your problems. On 1 May 2001, at 9:59, TomQ wrote: > Howdy all, I am having problems with my FI install on my Toyota I6 > motor and was looking for some advice on how to tackle the problem. > > Background: > I have placed the Chevy TBI from a V6 Astrovan (4.3L) on to the I6 > motor in my Landcruiser (4.2L). My distributor is a DUI HEI unit that > has the Chevy ignition module in it but the body of it has been > modified to fit in the Toyota block (basically it looks like a Chevy > unit to the Computer). I have the timing adjusted to TDC (did it while > disconnecting the one wire the manual told me to disconnect). One wire > O2 sensor. Stock ESC. No knock sensor. No EGR. VSS sensor adapted to > manual tranny. All other sensors are installed. > > Problem: > When I initially start up the vehicle put it in gear and drive it down > the road it works great. Nice power, no hesitation, but idles around > 1k. > > After about 2 or 3 blocks it starts to run horribly. Lots of > hesitation, sputtering, especially between 1k-2.5k. If I rev it out to > 3-3.5k it seems to help. It also will stall when I stop. Oddly enough > after it stalls and I start it up again it runs fine for a block or > two but then starts to run rough again. > > After around 10-20 minutes or I am guessing when the Coolant (sensor > is in the head and fluid level is topped off) is fully warmed up it > runs well. No stalling, no hesitation, there does seem to be a little > flatness or lack of power in the 1k-2k range, though. > > Newbe guess: > I used a scan tool and hooked it up to the ALDL and it did not give > any error codes. Would a heated O2 sensor help? Do I need to reprogram > the 747 prom? The motor sizes are pretty close so I though I wouldn't > have to reprogram. What kind of information should I try to get to > help figure out what is causing the problem or what is not causing the > problem? > > Thanks for the help.. > > -TomQ > SF,CA > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" > (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 17:34:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA03774 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:34:53 -0700 Received: from slinky.valesh.com (root@209-79-244-251.dnbonline.com [209.79.244.251]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA03741 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:34:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host root@209-79-244-251.dnbonline.com [209.79.244.251] claimed to be slinky.valesh.com Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by slinky.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA24837 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:02:08 -0700 Received: from [216.107.52.1] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with ESMTP id 10749539 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 01 May 2001 19:20:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3AEF44D3.67D81FC8@nni.com> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:20:51 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Rough running References: <3AEEEB6F.B47FC4A0@tomquinn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Try to get more scan tool info. Look at things like O2 voltage, INT and BLM, whether learn is on or not. Best guess is that you will need to do tuning. A possible scenerio is that the choke SA & fuel is allowing the engine to run ok after startup. As that decays out the engine is leaning out. This is the sputtering & hesitation. As it further warms up it goes closed loop and the blm & int compensate for the lean condition. This allows it to run halfway decent. Sounds like a nice conversion. You'll like the way it runs once tuned a bit. BobR. TomQ wrote: > Howdy all, I am having problems with my FI install on my Toyota I6 motor > and was looking for some advice on how to tackle the problem. > > Background: > I have placed the Chevy TBI from a V6 Astrovan (4.3L) on to the I6 motor > in my Landcruiser (4.2L). My distributor is a DUI HEI unit that has the > Chevy ignition module in it but the body of it has been modified to fit > in the Toyota block (basically it looks like a Chevy unit to the > Computer). I have the timing adjusted to TDC (did it while disconnecting > the one wire the manual told me to disconnect). One wire O2 sensor. > Stock ESC. No knock sensor. No EGR. VSS sensor adapted to manual tranny. > All other sensors are installed. > > Problem: > When I initially start up the vehicle put it in gear and drive it down > the road it works great. Nice power, no hesitation, but idles around 1k. > > After about 2 or 3 blocks it starts to run horribly. Lots of hesitation, > sputtering, especially between 1k-2.5k. If I rev it out to 3-3.5k it > seems to help. It also will stall when I stop. Oddly enough after it > stalls and I start it up again it runs fine for a block or two but then > starts to run rough again. > > After around 10-20 minutes or I am guessing when the Coolant (sensor is > in the head and fluid level is topped off) is fully warmed up it runs > well. No stalling, no hesitation, there does seem to be a little > flatness or lack of power in the 1k-2k range, though. > > Newbe guess: > I used a scan tool and hooked it up to the ALDL and it did not give any > error codes. Would a heated O2 sensor help? Do I need to reprogram the > 747 prom? The motor sizes are pretty close so I though I wouldn't have > to reprogram. What kind of information should I try to get to help > figure out what is causing the problem or what is not causing the > problem? > > Thanks for the help.. > > -TomQ > SF,CA > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 17:35:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA03783 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:35:01 -0700 Received: from slinky.valesh.com (root@209-79-244-251.dnbonline.com [209.79.244.251]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA03749 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:34:09 -0700 From: eoa@spiritone.com X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host root@209-79-244-251.dnbonline.com [209.79.244.251] claimed to be slinky.valesh.com Received: from mx.spiritone.com (mx.spiritone.com [205.139.108.5]) by slinky.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA20601 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 16:08:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 9773 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 22:27:49 -0000 Received: (ofmipd 208.130.241.37); 1 May 2001 22:27:27 -0000 Date: 1 May 2001 15:29:40 -0700 Message-ID: To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Anyone ever think of Walbro when it comes to EFI ??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Just stumbled onto this. Everything from 1 to 12 cylinder race http://www.walbro-tdd.com/Data/English/index_eng.html Price for 1 or 2 cylinder ECU is $462 12 cylinder is $3,213 They do have a link to download their software... Eric ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 19:50:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA06653 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:50:21 -0700 Received: from melpop01.goconnect.net (melpop01.goconnect.net [202.92.115.20]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA06648 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:50:12 -0700 Received: from default ([202.92.83.143]) by melpop01.goconnect.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GCOT6R00.SFL for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 12:49:39 +1000 Message-ID: <002501c0d2b3$0b8ddf80$8f535cca@default> From: "Warwick Anderson" To: Subject: sorry, off list Elec. motor Quest Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:53:18 +1000 Organization: Racingfit PT& EPIC! Racing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0D306.DC0BCFC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0D306.DC0BCFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for the off list Questions but I Have 2 Elec. 240 volt motors, one in Die grinder (similar to a = dremal) and one in "wet and Dry" vacuum cleaner, both have stopped = working because of dust in the he motors I believe. thay are getting power, but I have pulled both motors apart and cleaned = them up and cleaned all contacts/brushes ect and can see no reason why = thay wont work, apart from bad juju. any ideas/ tips? I know very little about such things and need them up = and running.=20 thanks in advance ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0D306.DC0BCFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry for the off list Questions = but
 
I Have 2 Elec. 240 volt motors, one = in  Die=20 grinder (similar to a dremal) and one in  "wet and Dry" vacuum = cleaner,=20 both have stopped working because of dust in the he motors I=20 believe.
thay are getting power, but I have = pulled both=20 motors apart and cleaned them up and cleaned all contacts/brushes = ect  and=20 can see no reason why thay wont work, apart from bad juju.
 
any ideas/ tips?   I know = very little=20 about such things and need them up and running.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0D306.DC0BCFC0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 20:17:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA07282 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:17:25 -0700 Received: from femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.145]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07276 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:17:17 -0700 Received: from cc1497a ([24.181.136.103]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010502031708.YOS937.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc1497a> for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:17:08 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01c0d2b8$51ffade0$677ba8c0@aboite1.in.home.com> From: "Jason Haines" To: References: Subject: Re: Anyone ever think of Walbro when it comes to EFI ??? Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 22:31:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I think Walbro makes the ECM used in some of the outboard marine engines (Mercury Marine maybe). Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: Anyone ever think of Walbro when it comes to EFI ??? > Just stumbled onto this. Everything from 1 to 12 cylinder race > http://www.walbro-tdd.com/Data/English/index_eng.html > > Price for 1 or 2 cylinder ECU is $462 > 12 cylinder is $3,213 > They do have a link to download their software... > > Eric > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 1 22:37:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA09170 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 1 May 2001 22:37:33 -0700 Received: from cpimssmtpu06.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu06.email.msn.com [207.46.181.82]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09166 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 22:37:27 -0700 Received: from brenda ([63.10.51.174]) by cpimssmtpu06.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Tue, 1 May 2001 22:36:55 -0700 Message-ID: <009001c0d2c1$a7ae1a20$ae330a3f@brenda> From: "BamaInstrument" To: References: Subject: Re: Need tips on hall sensors and distributors Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 00:37:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2001 05:36:56.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6815930:01C0D2C9] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Can you supply a number of wheels? I have what I believe is a patentable idea and would like to work with someone for development. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jörgen Karlsson" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: RE: Need tips on hall sensors and distributors > I use a haltech S4 dual flying magnet trigger with my autronic, It responds > to magnets of different polarity. I use a cam wheel with five north polarity > magnets (five cylinders) and one south polarity magnet for the Compression > TDC#1. > > I am very satisfied with my soloution. > > I can make CNC machined trigger wheels if you can't get a local machine shop > to do it at a decent price. > > Can you use your crank trigger together with the autronic without the > reluctor interface? > > Or you could also use autronics plug wire sensor, it attaches to the #1 plug > wire and you are all set. > > By the way, where do you live? > > > Jörgen Karlsson > Gothenburg, Sweden. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 10:58:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA15503 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 10:58:28 -0700 Received: (from orin@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA01311; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:49:49 -0700 From: Orin Message-Id: <200105011849.LAA01311@hektor.valesh.com> Subject: Admin To: diy_efi, efi332, gmecm Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:49:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I've been doing some cleaning out, so: Some old posts that didn't make it through the filters will be showing up. You may be back on the list after you thought you had unsubscribed. You may be off the list when you thought you had resubscribed (...but you probably won't be seeing this, sorry). Those with full mail boxes have been removed. The number of bounces for this reason was getting excessive. Please make sure you don't let your mailbox overflow... Orin, List admin. ----- End of forwarded message from owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 17:20:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA17720 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:20:52 -0700 Received: from perama01.erggroup.com (perama01.erggroup.com [203.23.26.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA17716 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:20:44 -0700 Subject: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Dan Zorde" Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:20:10 +0800 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on aupera03/ERG_Group(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 03/05/2001 08:20:11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi all, Just saw an add for some Dart heads (2nd hand), advertised in the local paper as 1 pair suitable for roller cam and 1 pair suitable for solid cam. Can someone tell me what the differences would be as I thought heads were heads (different valve springs, retainers) ? And could either of these be used with my hydraulic cam TPI 350 ? What sort of changes would be required, if any ? Still learning new things every day. Dan dzorde@erggroup.com ---------------------------- ERG Group -------------------------- The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may only be read by the intended recipient. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 17:23:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA17749 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:23:28 -0700 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA17744 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:23:21 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (dialup-64.156.204.134.Dial1.SanDiego1.Level3.net [64.156.204.134]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18187 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:23:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: PC card layout program, OFF TOPIC Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:23:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thank you to everyone. My computer did a minor hiccup yesterday, so this is the only email re this topic that I have here @ home although when I checked it @ work @ noon there were a bunch of them. thanks again BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Will Reeve Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:09 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: PC card layout program, OFF TOPIC Try: http://www.cadsoft.de/info.htm also http://www.pcb-pool.com/uk_index.htm links some software packages. Will -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Bob Wooten Sent: 01 May 2001 07:00 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org; gmecm@diy-efi.org Subject: PC card layout program, OFF TOPIC Some time ago someone posted the name of a company that has software for laying out PC cards. It was something eagle, or eagle something. I think that the gent was from Europe that posted it. in any case, I have a small project that I would like to work on & since the confuser crash wiped out everything, I am piecing back together. thank you. Bob Wooten r71chevy@earthlink.net www.r71camaro.homestead.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 17:27:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA17807 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:27:58 -0700 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA17801 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:27:51 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (dialup-64.156.204.134.Dial1.SanDiego1.Level3.net [64.156.204.134]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08832 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:27:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:28:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org My bet is that they are referring to the springs. BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Dan Zorde Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:20 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Hi all, Just saw an add for some Dart heads (2nd hand), advertised in the local paper as 1 pair suitable for roller cam and 1 pair suitable for solid cam. Can someone tell me what the differences would be as I thought heads were heads (different valve springs, retainers) ? And could either of these be used with my hydraulic cam TPI 350 ? What sort of changes would be required, if any ? Still learning new things every day. Dan dzorde@erggroup.com ---------------------------- ERG Group -------------------------- The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may only be read by the intended recipient. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 17:53:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA18214 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:53:25 -0700 Received: from smtp2.home.se (smtphost5.home.se [195.66.35.201]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA18208 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:53:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host smtphost5.home.se [195.66.35.201] claimed to be smtp2.home.se Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.65.116] by smtp2.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Thu, 03 May 2001 02:50:37 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: Anyone ever think of Walbro when it comes to EFI ??? Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 02:56:44 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I heard that this is something that evolved from Weber-Marelli, is that correct? Jörgen > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of eoa@spiritone.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 12:30 AM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Anyone ever think of Walbro when it comes to EFI ??? > > > Just stumbled onto this. Everything from 1 to 12 cylinder race > http://www.walbro-tdd.com/Data/English/index_eng.html > > Price for 1 or 2 cylinder ECU is $462 > 12 cylinder is $3,213 > They do have a link to download their software... > > Eric > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without > the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 18:54:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA18544 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 18:54:30 -0700 Received: from eid01.eidnet.org ([206.191.105.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA18540 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 18:54:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [206.191.105.11] claimed to be eid01.eidnet.org Received: from oemcomputer ([206.191.105.66]) by eid01.eidnet.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59363U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 19:53:43 -0600 Message-ID: <002b01c0d374$1efdf200$a4d1fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Programmer" To: References: Subject: Re: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:55:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The spring coil size changes due to "lift"--so the heads are machined to fit the "roller" springs. That's the only difference. I'd pick the roller heads for your TPI. Lyndon. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Zorde To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:20 PM Subject: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) > Hi all, > > Just saw an add for some Dart heads (2nd hand), advertised in the local > paper as 1 pair suitable for roller cam and 1 pair suitable for solid cam. > Can someone tell me what the differences would be as I thought heads were > heads (different valve springs, retainers) ? And could either of these be > used with my hydraulic cam TPI 350 ? What sort of changes would be > required, if any ? > > Still learning new things every day. > > Dan dzorde@erggroup.com > > ---------------------------- ERG Group -------------------------- > The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential > and may only be read by the intended recipient. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 19:13:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA18702 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 19:13:45 -0700 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA18697 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 19:13:33 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (ip8.lansing6.mi.pub-ip.psi.net [38.33.20.8]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24868; Wed, 2 May 2001 19:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AF0BDF3.DB1818B7@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 22:09:55 -0400 From: Daniel and Laura Burk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org CC: dan@isthq.com Subject: Re: potting compound for ECM References: <010501c0d272$7e59e860$78cacfa9@x4u1s2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The compound you need is called "Sylguard" and it is re-enterable. We use it in our crash recorders that are installed on the Indy and CART race cars. It keeps the surface mount chips from literally fatiguing off the board and rattling around the bottom of the recorder housing. Good stuff. Crystal clear. You can rip it out and rework the circuit if you need to. I'll look up the smaller available sizes at work tomorrow, because I buy a 1-gallon bucket for about $250. --Daniel Burk miked-ele wrote: > look to loctite or emmerson cumming for potting materials for electronics. > The compound you have inquestion is either a silicone or urethane compound. > McMaster Carr catalog has potting compounds that are easy to buy. > > MBD > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason R. Haines > To: DIY_EFI > Cc: GMECM > Date: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:48 PM > Subject: potting compound for ECM > > >I am not sure if anyone replied to my previous information request (Outlook > >Express went a little crazy on me the other day). I am still trying to find > >a good potting compound to use. The Chrysler ECM in question is fully > potted > >with a yellow tinted clear potting compound that is probably 1" think > >filling the entire ECM. The compound is a bit soft to the touch (almost > >rubber like). Any ideas what this stuff is and who makes it and where I can > >get more? > > > > > > > >Jason > > > >----- End of forwarded message from owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org ----- > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 19:39:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA19179 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 19:39:23 -0700 Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA19175 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 19:39:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cruzers.com [205.215.232.2] claimed to be blackie.cruzers.com Received: from cruzers.com (robbie-128.cruzers.com [209.165.194.128]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA13449 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 19:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AEA8D95.29425FCD@cruzers.com> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:30:21 -0800 From: Ludis Langens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Any ideas on numbers appreciated.... References: <200104261941.MAA22534@hektor.valesh.com> <3AE903D4.F6B3FC7A@zianet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org "Michael D. Porter" wrote: > > I bought a manifold, injectors and fuel rails, > cheap, from an `88 Ciera V-6 for use on the Buick V-6 in my TR7. I was a > bit surprised to see a "sequential fuel injection" label on the > manifold, since I thought most V-6 GM systems were batch- or bank-fire > at the time. The Buick 3.8 V6 went to sequential injection in '86 (and I think in '84 on the turbo 3.8's.) I suspect it was mainly for marketing purposes, and a little bit as a field test of SFI. It may also have helped meet emissions requirements. > I'd like to know if anyone has a GM part number handy for an > ECM configured for manual transmission, 3.8 l stock V-6 engine, > real-time barometric control and sequential injection. Manual transmissions and Buicks do not go together. Hence there are no OEM manual transmission equipped 3.8 EFI engines. You'll have to work from an automatic chip. -- Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 20:30:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA19880 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:30:17 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f180.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.180]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA19874 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:30:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f180.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.180] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:29:32 -0700 Received: from 207.225.92.84 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 May 2001 03:29:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.225.92.84] From: "The Punisher" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 03:29:31 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2001 03:29:32.0085 (UTC) FILETIME=[448F2E50:01C0D381] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I am assuming you mean the cast iron dart2 heads by world products?? probably sportsman or sportsman2's. I dont recall S/R torquers being marketed as "roller" heads. I have owned all 3 types and can say that they are FAR SUPERIOR to an origonal chevy head. The difference in out of the box sportsman's is the valve springs and pocket diameter cut. get the roller heads. The larger springs will be much better at an equivelant seat pressure. BTY the metal is very dense and hard compared to the oem heads. They are tough. last time I had a valve job done on sportsman2's the guy said that the intake seats were almost as hard as hardned seats(this may have been exagerated somewhat). Dart2's are not the best aftermarket heads out there, but in used form they are a good value.IMHO :) >From: "Dan Zorde" >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >Subject: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) >Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:20:10 +0800 > >Hi all, > >Just saw an add for some Dart heads (2nd hand), advertised in the local >paper as 1 pair suitable for roller cam and 1 pair suitable for solid cam. >Can someone tell me what the differences would be as I thought heads were >heads (different valve springs, retainers) ? And could either of these be >used with my hydraulic cam TPI 350 ? What sort of changes would be >required, if any ? > >Still learning new things every day. > >Dan dzorde@erggroup.com > >---------------------------- ERG Group -------------------------- > The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential > and may only be read by the intended recipient. >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 20:56:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA20513 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:56:17 -0700 Received: from thunder.adam.com.au (thunder.adam.com.au [203.2.124.10]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA20509 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:56:07 -0700 Received: (qmail 66164 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 03:55:52 -0000 Received: from t2-149.adam.com.au (HELO dave) (150.101.241.149) by eden.adam.com.au with SMTP; 3 May 2001 03:55:52 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c0d384$ef72dd00$95f16596@dave> From: "Dave" To: Subject: Re: Any ideas on numbers appreciated.... Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:25:46 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org -----Original Message----- From: Ludis Langens To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Any ideas on numbers appreciated.... >"Michael D. Porter" wrote: >> >> I bought a manifold, injectors and fuel rails, >> cheap, from an `88 Ciera V-6 for use on the Buick V-6 in my TR7. I was a >> bit surprised to see a "sequential fuel injection" label on the >> manifold, since I thought most V-6 GM systems were batch- or bank-fire >> at the time. > >The Buick 3.8 V6 went to sequential injection in '86 (and I think in '84 >on the turbo 3.8's.) I suspect it was mainly for marketing purposes, >and a little bit as a field test of SFI. It may also have helped meet >emissions requirements. > >> I'd like to know if anyone has a GM part number handy for an >> ECM configured for manual transmission, 3.8 l stock V-6 engine, >> real-time barometric control and sequential injection. > >Manual transmissions and Buicks do not go together. Hence there are no >OEM manual transmission equipped 3.8 EFI engines. You'll have to work >from an automatic chip. > Here in Oz we have a VS Commodore equipped with an Australian 3.8 buick sequentual injection V6, coupled to a 5 speed manual. Uses a MAF though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 21:51:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA21221 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 21:51:06 -0700 Received: from web6202.mail.yahoo.com (web6202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.22.113]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id VAA21217 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 21:51:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20010503045100.28437.qmail@web6202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.94.74.58] by web6202.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 May 2001 21:51:00 PDT Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:51:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack Doe Subject: Re: Serial Communication To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: <200105020800.BAA10280@hektor.valesh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > 2. Bitrate detection needs special hardware > (u-Controller based) anyway, so I thought > about implementing bitrate conversion, too. That > would require a controller which has > two UARTs on chip. Does anybody know such a > controller? I would prefer a simple 8 Bit > controller such as a 8051 or 68HC11 family member. I am very very new to micros. Dallas Semi's DS89C420 "hyper 8051" is just what you're looking for I think. It is suposedly inexpensive, backwards compatible with the 8051 has 16kISP in system programmable flash memory and DUAL SERIAL UARTS. Naturaly, It is exeptionaly faster as well, realisticly 3x faster. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 2 22:01:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA21356 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 2 May 2001 22:01:38 -0700 Received: from relay1.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA21352 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 22:01:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 28971 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 05:00:25 -0000 Received: from vsat-148-75-122-186.ssa7.mcl.starband.net (HELO pc1) (148.75.122.186) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 3 May 2001 05:00:25 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 148.75.122.186 Message-ID: <017f01c0d38e$149304d0$ba7a4b94@pc1> From: "PRD C5 EFI/ECM Research" To: Subject: Bosch 0 280 155 752 Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 00:01:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hey everyone, I am new to the group... I was looking through the injector pages listed and was unable to find the 0 280 155 752 specs. Any ideas on a more complete listing for Bosch?? Thx, Ethan Hall Performance Research and Development, Inc. www.performanceresearchonline.com . ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 3 00:28:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA22194 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 00:28:32 -0700 Received: from dalek.ains.net.au (ains.net.au [210.9.53.3]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA22190 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 00:28:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host ains.net.au [210.9.53.3] claimed to be dalek.ains.net.au Received: from injec.com (cgw219.ains.net.au [210.9.53.219]) by dalek.ains.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17960 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:28:17 +1000 Message-ID: <3AF1058D.9747225C@injec.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:15:25 +1000 From: Phil Lamovie Organization: Injec Racing Developments X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: potting compound for ECM References: <010501c0d272$7e59e860$78cacfa9@x4u1s2> <3AF0BDF3.DB1818B7@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org http://escopro.com/ecom/sylgard_elastomers.htm please note spelling phil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 3 04:47:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA23713 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 04:47:48 -0700 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA23709 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 04:47:35 -0700 Received: from default (user94.net067.fl.sprint-hsd.net [207.30.237.94]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA12662 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 04:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000501c0d3c6$9ead0b60$5eed1ecf@default> From: "Larry Heath" To: References: Subject: Re: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:45:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Yah. One set has springs with much higher seat and open pressure to deal with roller cam profiles and one has valve springs with less seat and open pressure to accommodate solid lifter cams. Later Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Zorde" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:20 PM Subject: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) > Hi all, > > Just saw an add for some Dart heads (2nd hand), advertised in the local > paper as 1 pair suitable for roller cam and 1 pair suitable for solid cam. > Can someone tell me what the differences would be as I thought heads were > heads (different valve springs, retainers) ? And could either of these be > used with my hydraulic cam TPI 350 ? What sort of changes would be > required, if any ? > > Still learning new things every day. > > Dan dzorde@erggroup.com > > ---------------------------- ERG Group -------------------------- > The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential > and may only be read by the intended recipient. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 3 05:25:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA23995 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 05:25:15 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA23991 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 05:25:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8.adams.com [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17223 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 08:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17999 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 08:25:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3AF14E20.F343C9F1@adams.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:25:04 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 References: <017f01c0d38e$149304d0$ba7a4b94@pc1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org PRD C5 EFI/ECM Research wrote: > > Hey everyone, I am new to the group... > > I was looking through the injector pages listed and was unable to find the 0 > 280 155 752 specs. Any ideas on a more complete listing for Bosch?? Ethan, I've never found a single good resource (and am only about 30% successful in identifying injectors), but here are some links that I've found that have more than a couple Bosch entries: http://www.aems.com.au/injector_flow_rates.htm http://www.co.jyu.fi/~rax/suutin.htm http://www.dune-buggy.com/turbo/injectors.htm Good luck, let me know if you find a good source of info. Eric -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 3 07:44:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA25286 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 07:44:28 -0700 Received: from relay1.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id HAA25278 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 07:44:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 24704 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 14:43:12 -0000 Received: from vsat-148-75-122-186.ssa7.mcl.starband.net (HELO pc1) (148.75.122.186) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 3 May 2001 14:43:12 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 148.75.122.186 Message-ID: <01ae01c0d3df$7cf172e0$ba7a4b94@pc1> From: "PRD C5 EFI/ECM Research" To: References: <017f01c0d38e$149304d0$ba7a4b94@pc1> <3AF14E20.F343C9F1@adams.com> Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:43:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks for the help Eric, looks like it will be tricky to track down the numbers, but I'll post any resources.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Fahlgren" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 > PRD C5 EFI/ECM Research wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, I am new to the group... > > > > I was looking through the injector pages listed and was unable to find the 0 > > 280 155 752 specs. Any ideas on a more complete listing for Bosch?? > > Ethan, > > I've never found a single good resource (and am only about 30% > successful in identifying injectors), but here are some links > that I've found that have more than a couple Bosch entries: > > http://www.aems.com.au/injector_flow_rates.htm > http://www.co.jyu.fi/~rax/suutin.htm > http://www.dune-buggy.com/turbo/injectors.htm > > Good luck, let me know if you find a good source of info. > > Eric > > -- > Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc > efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 3 15:19:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA28514 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:19:57 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA28510 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:19:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 03 May 2001 18:20:29 -0400 Received: from [206.15.143.86] by grolen.com id 928f1.wrk; Thu, 3 May 2001 18:20:30 EDT Message-ID: <3AF1D96F.A627DD55@grolen.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:19:27 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 References: <017f01c0d38e$149304d0$ba7a4b94@pc1> <3AF14E20.F343C9F1@adams.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Eric, have you looked at the injector list on the ftp site? I think it's called fuelflow.txt. It's not complete either, but may bridge a gap in the other resources. Shannen Eric Fahlgren wrote: > > PRD C5 EFI/ECM Research wrote: > > > > Hey everyone, I am new to the group... > > > > I was looking through the injector pages listed and was unable to find the 0 > > 280 155 752 specs. Any ideas on a more complete listing for Bosch?? > > Ethan, > > I've never found a single good resource (and am only about 30% > successful in identifying injectors), but here are some links > that I've found that have more than a couple Bosch entries: > > http://www.aems.com.au/injector_flow_rates.htm > http://www.co.jyu.fi/~rax/suutin.htm > http://www.dune-buggy.com/turbo/injectors.htm > > Good luck, let me know if you find a good source of info. > > Eric > > -- > Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc > efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 3 16:59:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA29116 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 16:59:36 -0700 Received: from perama01.erggroup.com (perama01.erggroup.com [203.23.26.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA29111 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 16:59:28 -0700 Subject: Re: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Dan Zorde" Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 07:55:46 +0800 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on aupera03/ERG_Group(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 04/05/2001 07:55:47 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks everyone who replied. Am I correct in assuming these do NOT have hardened valve seats from the manufacturer, I am running unleaded and need the hardened valve seats. I haven't been able to get hold of the seller to verify this point. Dan dzorde@erggroup.com Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA29390 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:46:59 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29378; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:46:18 -0700 Received: from [216.107.53.169] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with ESMTP id 11272222; Thu, 03 May 2001 20:46:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3AF1FBE2.B778C146@nni.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:46:26 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: diy egor jitter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Not long ago somebody referring to their EGOR system spoke about the output moving about a bit (jitter). I recently discovered a sensor that did the same thing. It appears that the resistence of the pump cell varies on a sensor-to-sensor basis. By increasing the capacitance (slowing the loop) of C9, from 0.1uf to 0.22uf, the loop stabilized. I looked for your email & could not find it. Anyone that has a jittering output may want to try this. On a built circuit you can just add another 0.1uf cap in parallel with the one already there. Would anyone having the jitter prob & trying this get back to the list? Thanks. hth's, BobR. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 3 21:00:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA31082 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:00:31 -0700 Received: from relay1.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id VAA31078 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:00:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 26301 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 03:59:12 -0000 Received: from vsat-148-75-122-186.ssa7.mcl.starband.net (HELO pc1) (148.75.122.186) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 4 May 2001 03:59:12 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 148.75.122.186 Message-ID: <024d01c0d44e$ae8c6cf0$ba7a4b94@pc1> From: "PRD C5 EFI/ECM Research" To: References: <017f01c0d38e$149304d0$ba7a4b94@pc1> <3AF14E20.F343C9F1@adams.com> <3AF1D96F.A627DD55@grolen.com> Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:59:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I have not been able to find that or a similar file in of the three ftp areas...maybe just looking in the wrong place, or just missed it?? Ethan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannen Durphey" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 > Eric, have you looked at the injector list on the ftp site? I think it's called > fuelflow.txt. It's not complete either, but may bridge a gap in the other > resources. > Shannen > > Eric Fahlgren wrote: > > > > PRD C5 EFI/ECM Research wrote: > > > > > > Hey everyone, I am new to the group... > > > > > > I was looking through the injector pages listed and was unable to find the 0 > > > 280 155 752 specs. Any ideas on a more complete listing for Bosch?? > > > > Ethan, > > > > I've never found a single good resource (and am only about 30% > > successful in identifying injectors), but here are some links > > that I've found that have more than a couple Bosch entries: > > > > http://www.aems.com.au/injector_flow_rates.htm > > http://www.co.jyu.fi/~rax/suutin.htm > > http://www.dune-buggy.com/turbo/injectors.htm > > > > Good luck, let me know if you find a good source of info. > > > > Eric > > > > -- > > Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc > > efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 3 21:25:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA31379 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:25:54 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id VAA31374 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:25:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id XAA15476; Thu, 3 May 2001 23:25:45 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma015474; Thu, 3 May 01 23:25:31 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27979 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 23:25:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AF22E57.291A9D8C@arm.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 23:21:43 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 References: <017f01c0d38e$149304d0$ba7a4b94@pc1> <3AF14E20.F343C9F1@adams.com> <3AF1D96F.A627DD55@grolen.com> <024d01c0d44e$ae8c6cf0$ba7a4b94@pc1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Go to the diy_efi page (www.diy-efi.org/diy_efi) and click on FAQ... --steve PRD C5 EFI/ECM Research wrote: > > I have not been able to find that or a similar file in of the three ftp > areas...maybe just looking in the wrong place, or just missed it?? -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 3 21:57:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA31732 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:57:11 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f76.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.76]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA31728 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:57:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f76.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.76] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:56:34 -0700 Received: from 65.11.158.185 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 May 2001 04:56:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.11.158.185] From: "John Walker" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Bank to Bank Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 04:56:34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2001 04:56:34.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[97D72830:01C0D456] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Can someone explain how bank to bank injection works? Thanks, John _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 3 21:58:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA31742 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:58:05 -0700 Received: from relay1.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id VAA31738 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:57:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 16573 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 04:56:47 -0000 Received: from vsat-148-75-122-186.ssa7.mcl.starband.net (HELO pc1) (148.75.122.186) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 4 May 2001 04:56:47 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 148.75.122.186 Message-ID: <026f01c0d456$b9c64a70$ba7a4b94@pc1> From: "PRD C5 EFI/ECM Research" To: References: <017f01c0d38e$149304d0$ba7a4b94@pc1> <3AF14E20.F343C9F1@adams.com> <3AF1D96F.A627DD55@grolen.com> <024d01c0d44e$ae8c6cf0$ba7a4b94@pc1> <3AF22E57.291A9D8C@arm.com> Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:57:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org AAhh..see that was too easy, if it were only harder to find.... ;> Hmm not listed...guess I will have to go ahead and contact Bosch directly as Eric suggested... Thanks everyone, Ethan ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve ravet" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 > Go to the diy_efi page (www.diy-efi.org/diy_efi) and click on FAQ... > > --steve > > PRD C5 EFI/ECM Research wrote: > > > > I have not been able to find that or a similar file in of the three ftp > > areas...maybe just looking in the wrong place, or just missed it?? > > -- > Steve Ravet > steve.ravet@arm.com > ARM,Inc. > www.arm.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 3 23:15:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA32557 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 3 May 2001 23:15:20 -0700 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA32553 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 23:15:14 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (dialup-64.156.202.169.Dial1.SanDiego1.Level3.net [64.156.202.169]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA00265 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 23:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:15:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I think that your assumption is wrong. I can not confirm it, but I don't think that you can even buy non hardened valves (@ least not here in California). we have not had lead for so long now that most people don't know the difference. BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Dan Zorde Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:56 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Thanks everyone who replied. Am I correct in assuming these do NOT have hardened valve seats from the manufacturer, I am running unleaded and need the hardened valve seats. I haven't been able to get hold of the seller to verify this point. Dan dzorde@erggroup.com Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA00987 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 01:27:13 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f68.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.68]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA00983 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 01:27:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f68.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.68] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 May 2001 01:26:36 -0700 Received: from 207.225.90.148 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 May 2001 08:26:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.225.90.148] From: "The Punisher" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 08:26:35 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2001 08:26:36.0023 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEDE0870:01C0D473] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I am like 95% sure that all world products "dart 2" heads have hardned valve seat inserts(all mine do). Even if for some reason you dont have the hardned seats installed you will have much less problem with the metal in these haeds compared to oem heads. Its very hard and I believe it has a very high nickel content. But like I said I am almost 95% sure they ALL have hardned seats installed out of the box. Just run a decent stainless valve and you'll do fine. BTW. if you are having a valve job done, be sure to have the seats "CUT" instead of ground. A shop that uses a "Serdi" machine is what you want. The seats have a machined finish instead of a ground finish. youre valve job will last longer, and may flow a little better(in theory). Just My experiences with SBC 'dart II' heads. Marvin Fugate (The Punisher) > > > >Thanks everyone who replied. Am I correct in assuming these do NOT have >hardened valve seats from the manufacturer, I am running unleaded and need >the hardened valve seats. I haven't been able to get hold of the seller to >verify this point. > >Dan dzorde@erggroup.com > > > >< >< > > > >---------------------------- ERG Group -------------------------- > The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential > and may only be read by the intended recipient. >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 03:22:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA01657 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 03:22:57 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA01653 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 03:22:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8.adams.com [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA20907 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 06:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA11494 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 06:22:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3AF282EB.BCD6C6B8@adams.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 06:22:35 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 References: <017f01c0d38e$149304d0$ba7a4b94@pc1> <3AF14E20.F343C9F1@adams.com> <3AF1D96F.A627DD55@grolen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Shannen Durphey wrote: > > Eric, have you looked at the injector list on the ftp site? I think it's called > fuelflow.txt. It's not complete either, but may bridge a gap in the other > resources. > Shannen Ya know, I _thought_ there was something out there, but the clouds of age (or is it lack of sleep?) got in the way. That list is an excellent resource, I wonder if anyone is maintaining it? If I get time (ha ha), I check and see if the other tables add information and if so I'll try to consolidate them into a newer version... -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 04:02:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA01949 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 04:02:33 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA01945 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 04:02:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 04 May 2001 07:03:01 -0400 Received: from [206.15.143.171] by grolen.com id 38600.wrk; Fri, 4 May 2001 07:03:00 EDT Message-ID: <3AF28C24.4B416C25@grolen.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 07:01:56 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 References: <017f01c0d38e$149304d0$ba7a4b94@pc1> <3AF14E20.F343C9F1@adams.com> <3AF1D96F.A627DD55@grolen.com> <3AF282EB.BCD6C6B8@adams.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org That would be great. The original list was donated to the group by someone who was subscribed for only a few months. The author spent considerable hours contacting oem and aftermarket fuel injection companies to get as much information as he could. Since then, no one has put anywhere near that much effort into maintaining the listing. Shannen Eric Fahlgren wrote: > > Shannen Durphey wrote: > > > > Eric, have you looked at the injector list on the ftp site? I think it's called > > fuelflow.txt. It's not complete either, but may bridge a gap in the other > > resources. > > Shannen > > Ya know, I _thought_ there was something out there, but the clouds > of age (or is it lack of sleep?) got in the way. That list is an > excellent resource, I wonder if anyone is maintaining it? If I > get time (ha ha), I check and see if the other tables add information > and if so I'll try to consolidate them into a newer version... > > -- > Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc > efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 04:35:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA02226 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 04:35:33 -0700 Received: from rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de ([217.6.108.90]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA02221 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 04:35:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [217.6.108.90] claimed to be rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4418.65 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: combustion pressure sensor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:34:55 +0200 Message-ID: <56E3A1D41F497348BB796D04459B7B2002D4D0@rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Thread-Index: AcDUeDtkrwku5ICnRnOMw3O+PV+xWAABImdg From: "Rausch, Bernd" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hektor.valesh.com id EAA02222 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org looks interesting, does anyone know this senasor ? http://www.pcb.com/products/custom/cus140m05.html Bernd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 05:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA02405 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:00:22 -0700 Received: from rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de ([217.6.108.90]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA02390 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 04:59:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [217.6.108.90] claimed to be rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4418.65 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Engine Controller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 13:59:52 +0200 Message-ID: <56E3A1D41F497348BB796D04459B7B2002D4D1@rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Thread-Index: AcDUY+ZUgCjw7hBoQUGi49pSAhGEDgAKkVkw From: "Rausch, Bernd" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hektor.valesh.com id EAA02392 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a new product, a complete engine controller on one chip. Maybe interesting for development of a new ECU? I have no infos on price and availability. -cam/crank inputs/processing -8 inj outputs -8 ign outputs -knock windowing -15 ch of data acquisition -microprozessor interface http://www.aiec.com/RTECDataSheet.pdf http://www.manufacturing.net/magazine/dn/supplements/20501auto/dnx010205 sauf5.pdf Bernd ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 05:08:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA02479 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:08:44 -0700 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA02473 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:08:23 -0700 Received: from default (user94.net067.fl.sprint-hsd.net [207.30.237.94]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA06413 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000b01c0d492$b3f27920$5eed1ecf@default> From: "Larry Heath" To: References: Subject: Re: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:06:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > BTW. if you are having a valve job done, be sure to have the seats "CUT" > instead of ground. A shop that uses a "Serdi" machine is what you want. The > seats have a machined finish instead of a ground finish. youre valve job > will last longer, and may flow a little better(in theory). > This is patent nonsense. Serdi cut seats and seats cut using stones are no different, EXCEPT you can do the seats in a head a hell of a lot faster using a Serdi machine, i.e its more cost effective for the shop. On top of that they charge more because they have the newest hot lick machine and it takes less time to do. They make more money. It also depends on who is doing the work, either way. I have seen butcher jobs using a Serdi machine as well as using stones or Neway cutters or any of a half dozen different methods of putting a seat in a head, it still depends on who is doing the work and how well trained they are and how much care they take in doing the job. You cut a seat using a Serdi machine and a seat using stones and if there the same angles and widths you are going to get the same flow and the same life. I use a Serdi ( its actually a Berko) and I use stones, mostly general rebuild stuff on the Berko and race stuff using stones. There are things you can't do using a Serdi machine such as asymmetric seats. Don't buy into the advertising and propaganda that you have to have a Serdi machine to do superior work, cause that is plain crap! Later Larry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 05:17:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA02568 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:17:37 -0700 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA02561 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:17:14 -0700 Received: from default (user94.net067.fl.sprint-hsd.net [207.30.237.94]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA29603 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001101c0d493$f12e5380$5eed1ecf@default> From: "Larry Heath" To: References: <56E3A1D41F497348BB796D04459B7B2002D4D0@rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de> Subject: Re: combustion pressure sensor Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:15:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >From your subject line I think that your barking up the wrong tree here. This is a "KNOCK" sensor or at least that is what their calling the thing. Not that this might not be a bad tool, its just not a combustion pressure sensor. Later Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rausch, Bernd" To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:34 AM Subject: combustion pressure sensor > looks interesting, does anyone know this senasor ? > http://www.pcb.com/products/custom/cus140m05.html > > Bernd > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 05:30:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA02757 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:30:16 -0700 Received: from priv-edtnes04-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout2.telus.net [199.185.220.237]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA02746 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:30:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host fepout2.telus.net [199.185.220.237] claimed to be priv-edtnes04-hme0.telusplanet.net Received: from marcel-home.planet.eon.net ([161.184.198.71]) by priv-edtnes04-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20010504122929.OFYT27239.priv-edtnes04-hme0.telusplanet.net@marcel-home.planet.eon.net> for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 06:29:29 -0600 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010504062732.00a1b050@pop.planet.eon.net> X-Sender: chichm@pop.planet.eon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 06:27:58 -0600 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: marcel chichak Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 In-Reply-To: <3AF28C24.4B416C25@grolen.com> References: <017f01c0d38e$149304d0$ba7a4b94@pc1> <3AF14E20.F343C9F1@adams.com> <3AF1D96F.A627DD55@grolen.com> <3AF282EB.BCD6C6B8@adams.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >That would be great. The original list was donated to the group by >someone who was >subscribed for only a few months. The author spent considerable hours >contacting >oem and aftermarket fuel injection companies to get as much information as he >could. Since then, no one has put anywhere near that much effort into >maintaining >the listing. Like the one listed on my tech page? http://www.planet.eon.net/~chichm --Marcel Chichak chichm@planet.eon.net Edmonton Alberta Canada, eh? Peek into my world: www.planet.eon.net/~chichm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 05:44:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA02925 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:44:41 -0700 Received: from rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de ([217.6.108.90]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA02921 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:44:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [217.6.108.90] claimed to be rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4418.65 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: AW: combustion pressure sensor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:44:29 +0200 Message-ID: <56E3A1D41F497348BB796D04459B7B2002D4D2@rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: combustion pressure sensor Thread-Index: AcDUll3An2aaNzYMQLCGtgkavDMvmAAAGchg From: "Rausch, Bernd" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hektor.valesh.com id FAA02922 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org They call it "a unique approach in measuring severity of knock in gas spark engines", and "it yields an output voltage that corresponds to cylinder combustion pressure". regards, Bernd -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Larry Heath [mailto:lgheath@earthlink.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2001 14:16 An: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Betreff: Re: combustion pressure sensor >From your subject line I think that your barking up the wrong tree here. This is a "KNOCK" sensor or at least that is what their calling the thing. Not that this might not be a bad tool, its just not a combustion pressure sensor. Later Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rausch, Bernd" To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:34 AM Subject: combustion pressure sensor > looks interesting, does anyone know this senasor ? > http://www.pcb.com/products/custom/cus140m05.html > > Bernd > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 06:30:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA03401 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 06:30:33 -0700 Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com ([199.74.158.61]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA03396 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 06:30:25 -0700 From: Steve.Flanagan@VerizonWireless.com X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [199.74.158.61] claimed to be mail.verizonwireless.com Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com by mail.verizonwireless.com (414/1100) with ESMTP id f44DM8L27363 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqbedigw2.corp.bam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:29:45 -0400 Message-ID: <19D424DA3941D41189DE0008C7EB79DB0152B620@hqbedex3.corp.bam.com> To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: Bank to Bank Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:29:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is from http://www.tciauto.com/ecu/index_spe.htm The Speed-Pro web site - used to be Fel-Pro. While Speed-Pro's Bank-To-Bank system is an economical value, it offers high tech performance. Unlike a batch system which fires one half the injectors at once, our Bank-To-Bank system fires the injectors every 180 degrees of crank rotation. And this system can be upgraded to a full Sequential system at any time by using available upgrade components. Bank to Bank seems to fire all injectors twice per revolution. -----Original Message----- From: John Walker [mailto:dakotart98@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:57 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Bank to Bank Can someone explain how bank to bank injection works? Thanks, John _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 07:27:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA03790 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 07:27:35 -0700 Received: from yampa.cmn.net (IDENT:root@mail.cmn.net [206.168.145.15]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA03785 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 07:27:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host IDENT:root@mail.cmn.net [206.168.145.15] claimed to be yampa.cmn.net Received: from [206.168.145.102] (user128.cmn.net [206.168.145.102]) by yampa.cmn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA23166 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:07:45 -0600 X-Sender: bearbvd@mail.cmn.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:27:09 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: bearbvd@cmn.net (Greg Hermann) Subject: Re: AW: combustion pressure sensor Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 2:44 PM 5/4/01, Rausch, Bernd wrote: >They call it "a unique approach in measuring severity of knock in gas >spark engines", and "it yields an output voltage that corresponds to >cylinder combustion pressure". > >regards, >Bernd > You might also want to check out Greg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 07:38:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA03893 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 07:38:11 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA03889 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 07:38:04 -0700 Received: from brucescompute ([209.143.37.9]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010504143802.KAES23469.invictus@brucescompute> for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:38:02 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c0d4a7$daa44700$09258fd1@brucescompute> From: "Bruce Plecan" To: References: <19D424DA3941D41189DE0008C7EB79DB0152B620@hqbedex3.corp.bam.com> Subject: Re: Bank to Bank Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:38:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sounds like a PR guy got things backwards, if you double the freq of when you fire the injectors (speaking of at idle), you'll definetly run out of time for the injectors to fire in a stable mode. ie., if a *Normal* TPI is at 1.4 PW at idle then with there system that would be .7 not hardly. I think they mean to say they fire 1/2 the injectors every crank revolution. That way you have the same amount of time to fire the injectors as you would with SEFI but they aren't sync'd, hense with just a cam input you can go to SEFI. Bruce From: > This is from http://www.tciauto.com/ecu/index_spe.htm > The Speed-Pro web site - used to be Fel-Pro. > While Speed-Pro's Bank-To-Bank system is an economical value, it offers high > tech performance. Unlike a batch system which fires one half the injectors > at once, our Bank-To-Bank system fires the injectors every 180 degrees of > crank rotation. And this system can be upgraded to a full Sequential system > at any time by using available upgrade components. > Bank to Bank seems to fire all injectors twice per revolution. > From: John Walker [mailto:dakotart98@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:57 AM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Bank to Bank > > > Can someone explain how bank to bank injection works? > > Thanks, > > John > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 08:07:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA04228 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:07:27 -0700 Received: from web3706.mail.yahoo.com (web3706.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.135]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA04224 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:07:21 -0700 Message-ID: <20010504150720.12514.qmail@web3706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.1.1.33] by web3706.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 04 May 2001 08:07:20 PDT Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:07:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Beaubien Subject: Re: AW: combustion pressure sensor To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does anyone have any experience with the Optrand sensors? What sort of data acquisition and processing are you using? Do you do knock detection/indication in real time? As far as the strain gauge plug washer type goes, someone mentioned that it's a knock sensor and not a pressure sensor. I don't know if that's really the case. The strain measured in the washer is an indication of the pressure in the cylinder, and would have to be processed to determine if a knock event took place. Once again, does anyone have direct experience using this type? Thanks, Matt. --- Greg Hermann wrote: > You might also want to check out > > Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 12:53:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA05913 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 12:53:24 -0700 Received: from mail.igs.com.tw ([202.39.19.147]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA05909 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 12:53:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [202.39.19.147] claimed to be mail.igs.com.tw Received: from Tyson (c59.h061013219.is.net.tw [61.13.219.59]) by mail.igs.com.tw with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id FJA5NFBK; Sat, 5 May 2001 04:04:32 +0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?B?qkyleKXN?= To: Subject: RE: AW: combustion pressure sensor Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 03:56:23 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <20010504150720.12514.qmail@web3706.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hektor.valesh.com id MAA05910 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I had read the paper from SAE: 2000-01-0933 Closed-Loop Control of Spark Advance and Air-Fuel Ratio in SI Engines Using Cylinder Pressure They use very good measure equipment we can't afford. But it brings me a very good concept of Cylinder Press and detonation: If knock happen, you can read irregulate wavefrom from osiiloscope via every crank angle. Because knock make pressure at wrong crank angle while right peak pressure should be happen about 10~20 ATDC. Wellcome any idea. Tyson. -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Matt Beaubien Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:07 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: AW: combustion pressure sensor Does anyone have any experience with the Optrand sensors? What sort of data acquisition and processing are you using? Do you do knock detection/indication in real time? As far as the strain gauge plug washer type goes, someone mentioned that it's a knock sensor and not a pressure sensor. I don't know if that's really the case. The strain measured in the washer is an indication of the pressure in the cylinder, and would have to be processed to determine if a knock event took place. Once again, does anyone have direct experience using this type? Thanks, Matt. --- Greg Hermann wrote: > You might also want to check out > > Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 16:47:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA07749 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 16:47:56 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA07745 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 16:47:49 -0700 Received: from brucescompute ([216.201.10.253]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010504234748.LXTG23469.invictus@brucescompute> for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 19:47:48 -0400 Message-ID: <015e01c0d4f4$a90a30e0$fd0ac9d8@brucescompute> From: "Bruce Plecan" To: References: Subject: Re: Bank to Bank Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 19:48:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Fires 1/2 the injectors every crankshaft revolution. Gives you the same amount of possible injector on time at low speeds as SEFI with simplier electronics. Bruce From: "John Walker" Subject: Bank to Bank > Can someone explain how bank to bank injection works? > Thanks, > John ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 4 17:44:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08234 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 4 May 2001 17:44:35 -0700 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08230 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 17:44:29 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (ip30.lansing6.mi.pub-ip.psi.net [38.33.20.30]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04939 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 17:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AF34C01.24DDCA01@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 20:40:33 -0400 From: Daniel and Laura Burk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Anyone ever think of Walbro when it comes to EFI ??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I saw that ECM once, about three years ago at Michigan State University. Walbro sponsored their Formula SAE team and had it on-hand one summer day when the team brought out the car for some parking lot fun. I don tknow if they ever used it on their car (They had a Motec M4 to use), but it looked slick. I think Walbro originally developed it for small engine competition engines such as motorcycles. --Daniel Burk eoa@spiritone.com wrote: > Just stumbled onto this. Everything from 1 to 12 cylinder race > http://www.walbro-tdd.com/Data/English/index_eng.html > > Price for 1 or 2 cylinder ECU is $462 > 12 cylinder is $3,213 > They do have a link to download their software... > > Eric > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat May 5 01:51:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA10683 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 5 May 2001 01:51:10 -0700 Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA10679 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 01:50:57 -0700 Received: from default (user60.net006.fl.sprint-hsd.net [205.245.16.60]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA29289 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 01:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01c0d540$4a50b3c0$0200000a@default> From: "Larry Heath" To: References: <56E3A1D41F497348BB796D04459B7B2002D4D2@rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de> Subject: Re: combustion pressure sensor Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 04:49:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I think that they are using this device to detect the high frequency pressure/shock waves or characteristic "ring" that are generated by detonation and transmitted throughout the engine. Question is if it "directly measures" or only indirectly corresponds to actual in cylinder pressure or it generates a voltage signal variation based upon a change in the local stresses and strains associated with the base stress and strain induced in the sensor by the torque applied to the sparkplug. Therefore every time you change the sparkplug(s) you would achieve a different base voltage/calibration. After all this is or appears to be a simple pizo strain gauge. You may be looking for or at signals that are only minute high frequency variations on an overall base voltage that is generate in the sensor by the torque/pressure applied buy the sparkplug and does not "directly" read cylinder pressure. True pressure transducers use a much thinner "window" that is directly exposed to the pressure and to which the strain gauge is mounted or attached. Now it appears to me that the variations from one cylinder to another and from engine to engine and from model to model would generate and insurmountable calibration curve problem if one was trying to use the sparkplug/cylinder head as this window. Now of course if each cylinder was equipped with one of these sensors then one could detect which cylinder and at what point in engine relative time detonation set in and a relative severity for the detonation. Until someone gets more info on this device and its required associated electronics and or calibration curve this is all speculation. Later Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rausch, Bernd" To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:44 AM Subject: AW: combustion pressure sensor > They call it "a unique approach in measuring severity of knock in gas > spark engines", and "it yields an output voltage that corresponds to > cylinder combustion pressure". > > regards, > Bernd > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Larry Heath [mailto:lgheath@earthlink.net] > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2001 14:16 > An: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Betreff: Re: combustion pressure sensor > > > From your subject line I think that your barking up the wrong tree here. > This is a "KNOCK" sensor or at least that is what their calling the > thing. > > Not that this might not be a bad tool, its just not a combustion > pressure > sensor. > > Later Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rausch, Bernd" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:34 AM > Subject: combustion pressure sensor > > > > looks interesting, does anyone know this senasor ? > > http://www.pcb.com/products/custom/cus140m05.html > > > > Bernd > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat May 5 02:04:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA10783 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 5 May 2001 02:04:37 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f48.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.48]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA10779; Sat, 5 May 2001 02:04:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f48.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.48] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 May 2001 02:03:52 -0700 Received: from 207.225.91.156 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 May 2001 09:03:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.225.91.156] From: "The Punisher" To: diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org, gmecm@lists.diy-efi.org Subject: RTEC: destroyed future plans ?! Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 09:03:52 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2001 09:03:52.0408 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E450D80:01C0D542] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks for posting that link to the RTEC chip web site. This chip works almost EXACTLY like what I wanted to do with an array of high speed 8bit microcontrollers. Will still need the same master controller and user interface stuff, but now the independently running degree sensing, injector drivers, ignition drivers and sensor interface are all in one chip instead of several(all were to be on a common bus). This saves me about 50-75 percent of the work I was getting planning to start later this year. Disclaimer for the mentally challenged: The following is 'Sarcasm'(a form of comedy not to be taken literally). Problem is, I heard about the RTEC chip on the list(never mind the fact that sometime I could have stumbled across it on my own), so (according to what I read)that means that in no way can I ever apply any part of the information I received here to any sort of money making venture (simple and very affordable ecu). That would make me either a thief, or an even worse enemy of the people, The dreaded Entrepreneur. Well I guess I need to go get one of those fancy cups of coffee and read Frau Klinton's book about child raising while I hug a tree, and dream of the glory it would be to live in the beautiful Utopian world depicted in Mr. Orwells book "1984". All you professional automotive technicians out there on the list. Evryone should quit youre jobs at once, you WILL NOT be able to work on cars for a living and not use any of the information you have learned here. Do the ethical thing for the good of all mankind. Then once the ill-gotten money you stole from the people runs out you can go on welfare full-time and help move society just a little more in the right(left) direction. Thank you for listening Comrad. Disclaimer#2: The welfare crack was directed at the "welfare state" mentality, NOT people who have legitimate reason to use such a noble but highly abused program. Oops I better quit before I get Myself kicked off the list. And If I had an air compressor that the public was using to air up small things like tires in order to attract business to My gas station. I'd be Smart. If I let some guy off the street charge others to use My air, I'd be stupid to let it go on. If I shared some information (which I may have worked some to get)with like minded individuals on the internet I'd be generous and friendly. If I shared this information and one of them put it to use and made some money off it, good for them. more competition in the market helps improve the quality of the products(usualy)and variety of products available to us. If I shared this info, someone used it and made a buck,and I got pissed. Maby I should have done it myself. Or am I just jealous. Those who trade info with the promise of sharing the results with those who helped them, but go on to market products based on this group effort and dont even return the information learned to the group.These people are just effen A-holes. And they probably will sell their equipment at 10-20 times what it should cost, (considering what little it costs to manufacture). And prices such a DIY-inspired device right out of the price range of MOST DIY types. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat May 5 15:07:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA13572 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:07:35 -0700 Received: from rptgen.fwi.com (rptgen.fwi.com [209.84.160.77]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA13566 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:07:24 -0700 Received: from jrh (decatur-line-38.fwi.com [209.84.174.103]) by mail.fwi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12109; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:15:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002201c0d4ad$d549fb00$5ecdfea9@jrh> From: "Jason R. Haines" To: "GMECM" , "DIY_EFI" Cc: Subject: Any luck with Panasonic Toughbook laptops and EFI software (laptop software compatibility - what laptops to use and not to use?) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:02:46 -0500 Organization: Lingenfelter Performance Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Has anyone used any of the Panasonic Toughbook series laptops with any of the different EFI calibration and data logging software? Any known problems? Several vendors have very good deals on the Panasonic Toughbook model 45 (not one of the fully hardened Toughbooks - only partially hardened compared to the waterproof keyboards and full magnesium cases of the higher priced models). I just don't want to buy a laptop and find out that AutoTap, Diacom, Ease, TTS or any of the other software doesn't work well or at all on it. Any other laptops to stay away from or that people have had good luck with? PS - if you have a known laptop incompatibility with a specific software program or piece of hardware that you don't want to disclose to the entire list - email me privately please. Thanks, Jason ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat May 5 22:43:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA15615 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 5 May 2001 22:43:49 -0700 Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA15611 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 22:43:43 -0700 From: clayb@sonic.net Received: (qmail 25098 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 05:43:42 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 6 May 2001 05:43:42 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (d103.pm3.sonic.net [208.201.229.103]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id f465hew32704 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 22:43:40 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3AF4E486.5DF3D510@sonic.net> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 22:43:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the wheel? References: <200105050800.BAA10329@hektor.valesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi guys, I think I'm having trouble with the signal reliability from my Crane Cams crank trigger. The trigger wheel is Crane Cams Hall effect. I hooked up the scope. Unless the scope is glitching at 12 Hz (150 RPM cranking speed), that crank trigger is glitching. I've had this Autronics/Crane trigger setup working in the past, but it has proved very proximity sensitive. The trigger wheel wants to be rubbing against the Hall pickup, perfectly centered, with .000" runout. but after I installed a new engine (same balancer and trigger arrangement) the trigger became intermittent, again! I've had the new engine running also, of course. But it went intermittent again 100 yards from shore. Grrrr... The plugs stopped sparking, but there was still fuel going through the injectors, according to my nose. According to the scope, the cam pos sensor is fine. I believe, based on past experience with this stupid trigger, the "43" code thrown by the computer, the traces on the O-scope, and the lack of ignition firing, that I may have a problem with magnetic field strength, runout, Hall sensor sensitivity, etc. I measured the wheel runout at .040". What do they expect out of a wheel centered by the three pulley bolts? Sure, the wheel isn't perfectly in line with the center of the Hall sensor, but the center of the sensor is still "covered" by the wheel. I'm starting to think this setup just ain't gonna cut it. I'm going to make some phone calls, and check the magnet strength, but I strongly suspect the Crane is ill designed and has weak magnets, creating an unreasonable proximity requirement. http://www.cranecams.com/ignition1/ctrigger.htm MSD mentions rare earth magnets. I think the Crane trigger wheel magnets are ex-refrigerator units! http://www.msdignition.com/1msdcrnk.htm Has anyone had experiences with this particular brand of crank trigger, or suggestions on how to fix what I have? I'm hoping the Hall sensor itself is OK, as it is already mounted with bracket and adjuster. (It does, by the way, respond to a medium Gauss magnet placed against it.) - Clay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat May 5 23:20:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA15822 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 5 May 2001 23:20:17 -0700 Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA15818 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 23:20:11 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (dialup-209.245.35.156.Dial1.SanDiego1.Level3.net [209.245.35.156]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA08829 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 23:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the wheel? Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 23:19:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3AF4E486.5DF3D510@sonic.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org When I was looking into them (hall sensors, that is) I seemed to recall that some of them will not work @ low rpm. the selling point for some of them (Allegro or something like that) was that they would work from 100 rpm up to some number & some of them did not have a minimum spec that made me think that they were bad & they did not want to advertise that. makes me think that you might not be able to see a signal (or a reliable one). have you looked @ it before during crank mode? if so, don't give this another thought, something to consider though. BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of clayb@sonic.net Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 10:44 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the wheel? Hi guys, I think I'm having trouble with the signal reliability from my Crane Cams crank trigger. The trigger wheel is Crane Cams Hall effect. I hooked up the scope. Unless the scope is glitching at 12 Hz (150 RPM cranking speed), that crank trigger is glitching. I've had this Autronics/Crane trigger setup working in the past, but it has proved very proximity sensitive. The trigger wheel wants to be rubbing against the Hall pickup, perfectly centered, with .000" runout. but after I installed a new engine (same balancer and trigger arrangement) the trigger became intermittent, again! I've had the new engine running also, of course. But it went intermittent again 100 yards from shore. Grrrr... The plugs stopped sparking, but there was still fuel going through the injectors, according to my nose. According to the scope, the cam pos sensor is fine. I believe, based on past experience with this stupid trigger, the "43" code thrown by the computer, the traces on the O-scope, and the lack of ignition firing, that I may have a problem with magnetic field strength, runout, Hall sensor sensitivity, etc. I measured the wheel runout at .040". What do they expect out of a wheel centered by the three pulley bolts? Sure, the wheel isn't perfectly in line with the center of the Hall sensor, but the center of the sensor is still "covered" by the wheel. I'm starting to think this setup just ain't gonna cut it. I'm going to make some phone calls, and check the magnet strength, but I strongly suspect the Crane is ill designed and has weak magnets, creating an unreasonable proximity requirement. http://www.cranecams.com/ignition1/ctrigger.htm MSD mentions rare earth magnets. I think the Crane trigger wheel magnets are ex-refrigerator units! http://www.msdignition.com/1msdcrnk.htm Has anyone had experiences with this particular brand of crank trigger, or suggestions on how to fix what I have? I'm hoping the Hall sensor itself is OK, as it is already mounted with bracket and adjuster. (It does, by the way, respond to a medium Gauss magnet placed against it.) - Clay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun May 6 06:33:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA17367 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 6 May 2001 06:33:39 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA17340; Sun, 6 May 2001 06:31:24 -0700 Received: from brucescompute ([216.201.10.42]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010506133122.RHNJ23469.invictus@brucescompute>; Sun, 6 May 2001 09:31:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00b601c0d630$e312ac80$2a0ac9d8@brucescompute> From: "Bruce Plecan" To: , Subject: Temp CSH, HQ Closing Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 09:31:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Have my routine Medical stuff to do, so will be in WI, from Mon to at least Wed late, hopefully just a quicky. Thou always the chance of 3 weeks. So not ignoring anywone, just outta town. Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun May 6 06:37:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA17427 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 6 May 2001 06:37:16 -0700 Received: from smtp1.home.se (smtphost4.home.se [195.66.35.200]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA17420 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 06:37:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host smtphost4.home.se [195.66.35.200] claimed to be smtp1.home.se Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.64.148] by smtp2.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Sun, 06 May 2001 15:34:26 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?us-ascii?Q?Jorgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the wheel? Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:40:39 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3AF4E486.5DF3D510@sonic.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Is the magnets in the Crane trigger wheel installed from the side of the wheel? It looks like it on the picture and I know that MSD does it that way. It is hard to get the distance from the magnet to the trigger down to 0.100" with this setup. At least that is the absolute maximum distance on my trigger. Maybe you could install a set of Haltech magnets along the outside perimeter of the wheel. Jorgen Karlsson Gothenburg, Sweden. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of clayb@sonic.net > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 7:44 AM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the > wheel? > > > Hi guys, > > I think I'm having trouble with the signal reliability from my Crane > Cams crank trigger. > > The trigger wheel is Crane Cams Hall effect. I hooked up the scope. > Unless the > scope is glitching at 12 Hz (150 RPM cranking speed), that crank trigger > is glitching. I've had this Autronics/Crane trigger setup working in the > past, but it has proved very proximity sensitive. The trigger wheel > wants to be rubbing against the Hall pickup, perfectly centered, with > .000" runout. but after I installed a new engine (same balancer and > trigger arrangement) the trigger became intermittent, again! I've had > the new engine running also, of course. But it went intermittent again > 100 yards from shore. Grrrr... > The plugs stopped sparking, but there was still fuel going > through the injectors, according to my nose. > > According to the scope, the cam pos sensor is fine. > > I believe, based on past experience with this stupid trigger, the "43" > code > thrown by the computer, the traces on the O-scope, and the lack of > ignition firing, that I may have a problem with magnetic field strength, > runout, Hall sensor sensitivity, etc. I measured the wheel > runout at .040". What do they expect out of a wheel centered by the > three pulley bolts? > Sure, the wheel isn't perfectly in line with the center of the Hall > sensor, but the center of the sensor is still "covered" by the wheel. > I'm starting to think this setup just ain't gonna cut it. I'm > going to make some phone calls, and check the magnet strength, but I > strongly suspect the Crane is ill designed and has weak magnets, > creating an unreasonable proximity requirement. > > http://www.cranecams.com/ignition1/ctrigger.htm > > MSD mentions rare earth magnets. I think the Crane trigger wheel magnets > are ex-refrigerator units! > http://www.msdignition.com/1msdcrnk.htm > > Has anyone had experiences with this particular brand of crank trigger, > or suggestions on how to fix what I have? I'm hoping the Hall sensor > itself is OK, as it is already mounted with bracket and adjuster. (It > does, by the way, respond to a medium Gauss magnet placed against it.) > > - Clay > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without > the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun May 6 08:56:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA25939 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 6 May 2001 08:56:13 -0700 Received: from dalek.ains.net.au (ains.net.au [210.9.53.3]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA25935 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 08:56:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host ains.net.au [210.9.53.3] claimed to be dalek.ains.net.au Received: from injec.com (cgw193.ains.net.au [210.9.53.193]) by dalek.ains.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA21082 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 01:55:59 +1000 Message-ID: <3AF57104.49FDAE64@injec.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 01:43:00 +1000 From: Phil Lamovie Organization: Injec Racing Developments X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DIY EFI Subject: knock sensor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi All, Just uploaded Data sheet from Harris for their Knock sensor module. look for it in world's largets incoming directory (listing 42k!!!) Regards, Phil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun May 6 17:10:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA27473 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 6 May 2001 17:10:12 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA27464 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 17:09:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 06 May 2001 20:09:58 -0400 Received: from [206.15.142.124] by grolen.com id a1550.wrk; Sun, 6 May 2001 20:10:44 EDT Message-ID: <3AF5E7B9.37570525@grolen.com> Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 20:09:29 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Bosch 0 280 155 752 References: <017f01c0d38e$149304d0$ba7a4b94@pc1> <3AF14E20.F343C9F1@adams.com> <3AF1D96F.A627DD55@grolen.com> <3AF282EB.BCD6C6B8@adams.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20010504062732.00a1b050@pop.planet.eon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Looks like a great start! Still looking for info on kiehin injectors. Shannen marcel chichak wrote: > > >That would be great. The original list was donated to the group by > >someone who was > >subscribed for only a few months. The author spent considerable hours > >contacting > >oem and aftermarket fuel injection companies to get as much information as he > >could. Since then, no one has put anywhere near that much effort into > >maintaining > >the listing. > > Like the one listed on my tech page? > > http://www.planet.eon.net/~chichm > > --Marcel Chichak chichm@planet.eon.net > Edmonton Alberta Canada, eh? > Peek into my world: www.planet.eon.net/~chichm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun May 6 21:04:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA29177 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 6 May 2001 21:04:05 -0700 Received: from eid01.eidnet.org ([206.191.105.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA29171 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 21:03:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [206.191.105.11] claimed to be eid01.eidnet.org Received: from home ([206.191.105.76]) by eid01.eidnet.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59363U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 22:03:04 -0600 Message-ID: <004401c0d773$7755daa0$4c69bfce@home> From: "Programmer" To: References: <200105050800.BAA10329@hektor.valesh.com> <3AF4E486.5DF3D510@sonic.net> Subject: Re: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the wheel? Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 22:00:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org What's the amplitude voltage in the signal ? Can you send me your scope pattern ? Lyndon. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: May 5, 2001 11:43 PM Subject: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the wheel? > Hi guys, > > I think I'm having trouble with the signal reliability from my Crane > Cams crank trigger. > > The trigger wheel is Crane Cams Hall effect. I hooked up the scope. > Unless the > scope is glitching at 12 Hz (150 RPM cranking speed), that crank trigger > is glitching. I've had this Autronics/Crane trigger setup working in the > past, but it has proved very proximity sensitive. The trigger wheel > wants to be rubbing against the Hall pickup, perfectly centered, with > .000" runout. but after I installed a new engine (same balancer and > trigger arrangement) the trigger became intermittent, again! I've had > the new engine running also, of course. But it went intermittent again > 100 yards from shore. Grrrr... > The plugs stopped sparking, but there was still fuel going > through the injectors, according to my nose. > > According to the scope, the cam pos sensor is fine. > > I believe, based on past experience with this stupid trigger, the "43" > code > thrown by the computer, the traces on the O-scope, and the lack of > ignition firing, that I may have a problem with magnetic field strength, > runout, Hall sensor sensitivity, etc. I measured the wheel > runout at .040". What do they expect out of a wheel centered by the > three pulley bolts? > Sure, the wheel isn't perfectly in line with the center of the Hall > sensor, but the center of the sensor is still "covered" by the wheel. > I'm starting to think this setup just ain't gonna cut it. I'm > going to make some phone calls, and check the magnet strength, but I > strongly suspect the Crane is ill designed and has weak magnets, > creating an unreasonable proximity requirement. > > http://www.cranecams.com/ignition1/ctrigger.htm > > MSD mentions rare earth magnets. I think the Crane trigger wheel magnets > are ex-refrigerator units! > http://www.msdignition.com/1msdcrnk.htm > > Has anyone had experiences with this particular brand of crank trigger, > or suggestions on how to fix what I have? I'm hoping the Hall sensor > itself is OK, as it is already mounted with bracket and adjuster. (It > does, by the way, respond to a medium Gauss magnet placed against it.) > > - Clay > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 03:14:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA31288 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 03:14:33 -0700 Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA31284 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 03:14:20 -0700 Received: from pacbell ([63.196.112.239]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GCY00E8XN3E6Y@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Mon, 7 May 2001 03:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:14:02 -0700 From: Carl Summers Subject: RE: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) In-reply-to: <000b01c0d492$b3f27920$5eed1ecf@default> To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Ok, so here I have to disagree. I will state upfront that someone good with stones can do an excellent valve job, BUT, it takes 4-5 times longer than with a Serdi. A Serdi also has a depth micrometer so you can equalize the heights of the seats. Forget three angle valve jobs....the flow is in the proper radius cut(depending on the head). The longevity of the valve job has nothing to do with what machine does it... The width of the 45(or whatever) has more to do with longevity. On your asymetric seat thingy... I would agree if you are VERY talented with stones there are ways to compensate for flow angles... and its' Berco not Berko -Carl p.s. I HAVE done both... 7 years with a Serdi.... I'd take it any day over almost anything. If you want your gnats ass of flow increases with spending 20-30 hrs with stones you better have a WET flow bench...and I would still use sanding rolls instead...after the Serdi. -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Larry Heath Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:07 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) > BTW. if you are having a valve job done, be sure to have the seats "CUT" > instead of ground. A shop that uses a "Serdi" machine is what you want. The > seats have a machined finish instead of a ground finish. youre valve job > will last longer, and may flow a little better(in theory). > This is patent nonsense. Serdi cut seats and seats cut using stones are no different, EXCEPT you can do the seats in a head a hell of a lot faster using a Serdi machine, i.e its more cost effective for the shop. On top of that they charge more because they have the newest hot lick machine and it takes less time to do. They make more money. It also depends on who is doing the work, either way. I have seen butcher jobs using a Serdi machine as well as using stones or Neway cutters or any of a half dozen different methods of putting a seat in a head, it still depends on who is doing the work and how well trained they are and how much care they take in doing the job. You cut a seat using a Serdi machine and a seat using stones and if there the same angles and widths you are going to get the same flow and the same life. I use a Serdi ( its actually a Berko) and I use stones, mostly general rebuild stuff on the Berko and race stuff using stones. There are things you can't do using a Serdi machine such as asymmetric seats. Don't buy into the advertising and propaganda that you have to have a Serdi machine to do superior work, cause that is plain crap! Later Larry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 05:04:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA31877 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 05:04:15 -0700 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA31873 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 05:04:07 -0700 Received: from default (user93.net017.fl.sprint-hsd.net [64.45.219.93]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA29744 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 05:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000d01c0d6ed$957c04e0$0200000a@default> From: "Larry Heath" To: References: Subject: Re: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:02:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Carl I agree with everything you say here, its is in essence what I was saying. I simply didn't wish to get into that much detail about doing head work and start a big pissing match over the details. The point was that just because someone doesn't have a Serdi or Berco (sorry I have a hard time remembering how to spell my own name half the time) or what ever doesn't mean a shop can't do quality work. Yes its going to take a hell of a lot longer in some cases depending on just how accurate and good of job you intend to do, or the customer is paying for. But you know as well as I that the majority of stuff that goes out of the shop is going to be done on that type of machine, in shops that have it. Good quality for relatively little man hours. Frankly when I drag out the Sioux equipment its going to take a hell of a lot longer than 4 or 5 times as long as cutting a set of seat with the Berco. But those people aren't overly concerned with the price tag on the heads when I finished either. Later Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Summers" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:14 AM Subject: RE: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) > Ok, so here I have to disagree. I will state upfront that someone good with > stones can do an excellent valve job, BUT, it takes 4-5 times longer than > with a Serdi. A Serdi also has a depth micrometer so you can equalize the > heights of the seats. Forget three angle valve jobs....the flow is in the > proper radius cut(depending on the head). The longevity of the valve job > has nothing to do with what machine does it... The width of the 45(or > whatever) has more to do with longevity. On your asymetric seat thingy... I > would agree if you are VERY talented with stones there are ways to > compensate for flow angles... and its' Berco not Berko > -Carl > p.s. I HAVE done both... 7 years with a Serdi.... I'd take it any day over > almost anything. If you want your gnats ass of flow increases with spendi ng > 20-30 hrs with stones you better have a WET flow bench...and I would still > use sanding rolls instead...after the Serdi. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Larry Heath > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:07 AM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) > > > > BTW. if you are having a valve job done, be sure to have the seats "CUT" > > instead of ground. A shop that uses a "Serdi" machine is what you want. > The > > seats have a machined finish instead of a ground finish. youre valve job > > will last longer, and may flow a little better(in theory). > > > > This is patent nonsense. > > Serdi cut seats and seats cut using stones are no different, EXCEPT you can > do the seats in a head a hell of a lot faster using a Serdi machine, i.e its > more cost effective for the shop. On top of that they charge more because > they have the newest hot lick machine and it takes less time to do. They > make more money. It also depends on who is doing the work, either way. I > have seen butcher jobs using a Serdi machine as well as using stones or > Neway cutters or any of a half dozen different methods of putting a seat in > a head, it still depends on who is doing the work and how well trained they > are and how much care they take in doing the job. > > You cut a seat using a Serdi machine and a seat using stones and if there > the same angles and widths you are going to get the same flow and the same > life. I use a Serdi ( its actually a Berko) and I use stones, mostly general > rebuild stuff on the Berko and race stuff using stones. There are things you > can't do using a Serdi machine such as asymmetric seats. > > > Don't buy into the advertising and propaganda that you have to have a Serdi > machine to do superior work, cause that is plain crap! > > Later Larry > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 05:10:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA31923 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 05:10:02 -0700 Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA31914 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 05:09:55 -0700 From: WAY2LO2@aol.com Received: from WAY2LO2@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id o.a2.13dbd1f2 (6537) for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 08:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:09:13 EDT Subject: fuel pressure regulator To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 124 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does anyone happen to know a part # for a inline regulater with a nipple in and out? I can not use one the is o-ringed to the rail. It's a 40-45psi system. Thanks in advance. Boris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 07:01:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA32508 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:01:45 -0700 Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA32504 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:01:38 -0700 From: Tlsalt@aol.com Received: from Tlsalt@aol.com by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id o.42.144fa996 (16937) for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 10:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42.144fa996.28280497@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:00:55 EDT Subject: fuel pressure regulator To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Boris wrote: Does anyone happen to know a part # for a inline regulater with a nipple in and out? I can not use one the is o-ringed to the rail. It's a 40-45psi system. Thanks in advance. Hello Boris, I know of two Bosch regulators with hose nipples. One is adjustable from 35-45 psi and the other is vacuum referenced and 2.5 bar (36 psi). They both have 5/16" nipples at right angles with a threaded portion for the mounting nut. The adjustable regulator is 0 280 160 001 and was used on Porsche 914's, but you can buy it directly from MSD for around $40. The vacuum regulator is 0 280 160 200 and it was used on Jaguar XJ-6's. There is a 3 bar version of this regulator but I have to dig up the number. Paul Saltwick ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 07:03:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA32519 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:03:27 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f251.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.76]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA32511 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:03:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f251.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.76] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:02:46 -0700 Received: from 129.21.10.178 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2001 14:02:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.21.10.178] From: "Steve Leonard" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, DIY_EFI-Digest@lists.diy-efi.org Subject: Off Topic- Turbo Oiler Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:02:46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2001 14:02:46.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[64D6F460:01C0D6FE] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I have a problem with getting oil to my turbocharger on a Kawasaki Kz1100 These aircooled engines put out very low oil pressure, not enough for my IHI RHB6 turbo. I was considering a "self contained" oiling system based on 12v pump, about 40psi. Anybody ever designed/built such a device? Any ideas? thanks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 07:03:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA32520 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:03:30 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f251.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.76]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA32515 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:03:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f251.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.76] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:02:46 -0700 Received: from 129.21.10.178 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2001 14:02:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.21.10.178] From: "Steve Leonard" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, DIY_EFI-Digest@lists.diy-efi.org Subject: Off Topic- Turbo Oiler Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:02:46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2001 14:02:46.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[64D6F460:01C0D6FE] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I have a problem with getting oil to my turbocharger on a Kawasaki Kz1100 These aircooled engines put out very low oil pressure, not enough for my IHI RHB6 turbo. I was considering a "self contained" oiling system based on 12v pump, about 40psi. Anybody ever designed/built such a device? Any ideas? thanks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 07:25:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA00357 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:25:40 -0700 Received: from sbs1.teambb.com ([216.114.21.189]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA00333 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:25:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.114.21.189] claimed to be sbs1.teambb.com Received: from sbs1.teambb.com (SBS1 [10.0.0.2]) by sbs1.teambb.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id K395DKQR; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:47:44 -0500 Received: by sbs1.teambb.com (Microsoft Exchange Connector for POP3 Mailboxes 4.50.2113) with SMTP (Global POP3 Download) id MSG05072001-094529-10.MMD@teambb.com; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:45:29 -0500 Received: from outmta023.topica.com [206.132.75.241] by mercury.fastbytes.com (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA62482F012C; Sat, 05 May 2001 17:10:42 -0500 To: GMECM , DIY_EFI Cc: editor@topica.com From: "Jason R. Haines" Subject: [LT1edit] Any luck with Panasonic Toughbook laptops and EFI software (laptop sof Message-ID: <0.1300010699.363826000-915719520-989100455@topica.com> X-Topica-Loop: 1300010699 List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Archive: Received: (qmail 16101 invoked by alias); 5 May 2001 22:07:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 16094 invoked by uid 0); 5 May 2001 22:07:28 -0000 Received: from rptgen.fwi.com (209.84.160.77) by inmta002.topica.com with SMTP; 5 May 2001 22:07:28 -0000 Received: from jrh (decatur-line-38.fwi.com [209.84.174.103]) by mail.fwi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12109; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:15:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:02:46 -0500 Organization: Lingenfelter Performance Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-RCPT-TO: X-UIDL: 240370042 Status: U Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Has anyone used any of the Panasonic Toughbook series laptops with any of the different EFI calibration and data logging software? Any known problems? Several vendors have very good deals on the Panasonic Toughbook model 45 (not one of the fully hardened Toughbooks - only partially hardened compared to the waterproof keyboards and full magnesium cases of the higher priced models). I just don't want to buy a laptop and find out that AutoTap, Diacom, Ease, TTS or any of the other software doesn't work well or at all on it. Any other laptops to stay away from or that people have had good luck with? PS - if you have a known laptop incompatibility with a specific software program or piece of hardware that you don't want to disclose to the entire list - email me privately please. Thanks, Jason ============================================================ Want to in shape for the summer? Sick of paying expensive gym fees? Get affordable and innovative home fitness equipment from Fitness Quest. Their products include the Total Gym, Torso Track, and SlamMan. 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I will be talking to him tonight and I will ask him about it and if he would discuss with you. Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Leonard" To: ; Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: Off Topic- Turbo Oiler > I have a problem with getting oil to my turbocharger on a Kawasaki Kz1100 > These aircooled engines put out very low oil pressure, not enough for my IHI > RHB6 turbo. I was considering a "self contained" oiling system based on 12v > pump, about 40psi. Anybody ever designed/built such a device? Any ideas? > > thanks > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 08:26:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA01087 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 08:26:51 -0700 Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA01083 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 08:26:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 13302 invoked from network); 7 May 2001 15:26:44 -0000 Received: from bolt.sonic.net (HELO sonic.net) (208.201.224.36) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 7 May 2001 15:26:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (clayb@localhost) by sonic.net (8.11.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id f47FPqJ06285 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 08:25:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:25:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Clay B To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the wheel? In-Reply-To: <200105070800.BAA30447@hektor.valesh.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > What's the amplitude voltage in the signal ? Can you > send me your scope pattern ? > Lyndon. The signal is amplified, 12V square wave, short duty cycle. Didn't bother to calculate exactly what the duty cycle was, doesn't really matter, rising edge trigger in the Autronics SMC. I don't have a copy of the waveform, unfortunately. It was a combination of missing pulses, and spurious pulses located where they shouldn't have been (ie: in between two evenly-spaced "correct" pulses) - Clay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 09:02:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA01329 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:02:11 -0700 Received: from smtpgw.bnl.gov (mail@smtpgw.bnl.gov [130.199.3.16]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA01325 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:02:04 -0700 Received: from bnl.gov ([130.199.128.163]) by smtpgw.bnl.gov with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 ) id 14wnSV-0000H6-00 for ; Mon, 07 May 2001 12:02:03 -0400 Received: from inst911 (inst911.ags.bnl.gov [130.199.100.93]) by bnl.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA02592 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010507120159.00b284d0@exchange01.bnl.gov> X-Sender: rschroeder@exchange01.bnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:01:59 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Ron Schroeder Subject: RE: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the wheel? In-Reply-To: References: <3AF4E486.5DF3D510@sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 11:19 PM 5/5/01 -0700, you wrote: >When I was looking into them (hall sensors, that is) I seemed to recall that >some of them will not work @ low rpm. If it is a true Hall sensor it should work to 0 rpm. If it is an inductive sensor it will have a low rpm limit. ---------------------- Ron Schroeder Brookhaven National Lab Building 911A Upton NY 11793 rjs@bnl.gov 631 344-4561 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 09:28:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA01483 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:28:12 -0700 Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA01479 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:28:07 -0700 Received: from cs365126a ([24.64.218.157]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010507162800.DNRQ24212.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@cs365126a> for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:28:00 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01c0d713$0aaf8780$9dda4018@gv.shawcable.net> From: "Drax240z" To: References: Subject: Re: fuel pressure regulator Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:29:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The 75-83 Datsun Z cars used a regulator like this. 36psi I believe. Should be easy to find an used one or two, but sorry I don't know the part numbers on them. ----------------- Does anyone happen to know a part # for a inline regulater with a nipple in and out? I can not use one the is o-ringed to the rail. It's a 40-45psi system. Thanks in advance. Boris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 11:31:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA01954 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:31:05 -0700 Received: from csun.edu (krusty.csun.edu [130.166.1.52]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA01950 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:30:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host krusty.csun.edu [130.166.1.52] claimed to be csun.edu Received: from csun.edu (dhcp2-205.ecs.csun.edu [130.166.2.205]) by csun.edu (8.9.3 (MessagingDirect 1.0.2)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA3320181 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AF6E6B3.C230FCD2@csun.edu> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:17:24 -0700 From: Stewart Prince X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RTEC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I don't think you'll have any luck getting this chip......these guys and Silicon Systems both developed engine controllers for Chrysler, and they won. So, OEM only and the SSI 687 is no longer being produced. On the other hand, how complicated is you cam/crank pickup scheme? Check out this paper written by Intel (for the 8051) for missing tooth schemes. SAE 891646. S prince The Punisher wrote: > Thanks for posting that link to the RTEC chip web site. This chip works > almost EXACTLY like what I wanted to do with an array of high speed 8bit > microcontrollers. Will still need the same master controller and user > interface stuff, but now the independently running degree sensing, injector > drivers, ignition drivers and sensor interface are all in one chip instead > of several(all were to be on a common bus). This saves me about 50-75 > percent of the work I was getting planning to start later this year. > > Disclaimer for the mentally challenged: > The following is 'Sarcasm'(a form of comedy not to be taken literally). > > Problem is, I heard about the RTEC chip on the list(never mind the fact that > sometime I could have stumbled across it on my own), so (according to what I > read)that means that in no way can I ever apply any part of the information > I received here to any sort of money making venture (simple and very > affordable ecu). That would make me either a thief, or an even worse enemy > of the people, The dreaded Entrepreneur. Well I guess I need to go get one > of those fancy cups of coffee and read Frau Klinton's book about child > raising while I hug a tree, and dream of the glory it would be to live in > the beautiful Utopian world depicted in Mr. Orwells book "1984". > All you professional automotive technicians out there on the list. Evryone > should quit youre jobs at once, you WILL NOT be able to work on cars for a > living and not use any of the information you have learned here. Do the > ethical thing for the good of all mankind. Then once the ill-gotten money > you stole from the people runs out you can go on welfare full-time and help > move society just a little more in the right(left) direction. > Thank you for listening Comrad. > > Disclaimer#2: > The welfare crack was directed at the "welfare state" mentality, NOT people > who have legitimate reason to use such a noble but highly abused program. > > Oops I better quit before I get Myself kicked off the list. > > And If I had an air compressor that the public was using to air up small > things like tires in order to attract business to My gas station. I'd be > Smart. > > If I let some guy off the street charge others to use My air, I'd be stupid > to let it go on. > > If I shared some information (which I may have worked some to get)with like > minded individuals on the internet I'd be generous and friendly. > > If I shared this information and one of them put it to use and made some > money off it, good for them. more competition in the market helps improve > the quality of the products(usualy)and variety of products available to us. > > If I shared this info, someone used it and made a buck,and I got pissed. > Maby I should have done it myself. Or am I just jealous. > > Those who trade info with the promise of sharing the results with those who > helped them, but go on to market products based on this group effort and > dont even return the information learned to the group.These people are just > effen A-holes. And they probably will sell their equipment at 10-20 times > what it should cost, (considering what little it costs to manufacture). And > prices such a DIY-inspired device right out of the price range of MOST DIY > types. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org -- STEWART PRINCE PROFESSOR, MECHANICAL ENGINEERING CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY, NORTHRIDGE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 12:37:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA02230 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:37:01 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f174.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.174]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02225 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:36:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f174.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.174] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:36:20 -0700 Received: from 207.225.91.210 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2001 19:36:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.225.91.210] From: "The Punisher" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:36:20 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2001 19:36:20.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE2FC410:01C0D72C] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org That was kinda My point. for example: If you have 10 identical heads and take them to 10 randomly selected machine shops,half with serdi and half with stones. You are going to get more good valve jobs from the serdi shops. many of the machine shops I have visited do not care very much about quality. realy good machine shops are hard to find. And of course a true artist can do amazing things with stones. but thats way more work than you'll get with a 'regular' valve job. >From: Carl Summers >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >Subject: RE: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) >Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:14:02 -0700 > >Ok, so here I have to disagree. I will state upfront that someone good >with >stones can do an excellent valve job, BUT, it takes 4-5 times longer than >with a Serdi. A Serdi also has a depth micrometer so you can equalize the >heights of the seats. Forget three angle valve jobs....the flow is in the >proper radius cut(depending on the head). The longevity of the valve job >has nothing to do with what machine does it... The width of the 45(or >whatever) has more to do with longevity. On your asymetric seat thingy... >I >would agree if you are VERY talented with stones there are ways to >compensate for flow angles... and its' Berco not Berko >-Carl >p.s. I HAVE done both... 7 years with a Serdi.... I'd take it any day over >almost anything. If you want your gnats ass of flow increases with >spending >20-30 hrs with stones you better have a WET flow bench...and I would still >use sanding rolls instead...after the Serdi. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On >Behalf Of Larry Heath >Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:07 AM >To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >Subject: Re: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) > > > > BTW. if you are having a valve job done, be sure to have the seats "CUT" > > instead of ground. A shop that uses a "Serdi" machine is what you want. >The > > seats have a machined finish instead of a ground finish. youre valve job > > will last longer, and may flow a little better(in theory). > > > >This is patent nonsense. > >Serdi cut seats and seats cut using stones are no different, EXCEPT you can >do the seats in a head a hell of a lot faster using a Serdi machine, i.e >its >more cost effective for the shop. On top of that they charge more because >they have the newest hot lick machine and it takes less time to do. They >make more money. It also depends on who is doing the work, either way. I >have seen butcher jobs using a Serdi machine as well as using stones or >Neway cutters or any of a half dozen different methods of putting a seat in >a head, it still depends on who is doing the work and how well trained they >are and how much care they take in doing the job. > >You cut a seat using a Serdi machine and a seat using stones and if there >the same angles and widths you are going to get the same flow and the same >life. I use a Serdi ( its actually a Berko) and I use stones, mostly >general >rebuild stuff on the Berko and race stuff using stones. There are things >you >can't do using a Serdi machine such as asymmetric seats. > > >Don't buy into the advertising and propaganda that you have to have a Serdi >machine to do superior work, cause that is plain crap! > >Later Larry > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 13:11:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA02449 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:11:58 -0700 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id NAA02445 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:11:51 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO 728Acc6) (204.158.241.1) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2001 20:11:50 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <010e01c0d731$bbe01c90$4db9100a@728Acc6> From: "RJ Knudstrup" To: References: Subject: Re: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:10:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org My 2 cents on this issue guys and gals is this. With the serdi if you have a place that you can go into and talk to the guy and he chose the serdi because of its benefits then I say go with him. We have two places here that have valve seat cutters and the rest use stones. One is the high performance shop and has a poor performing cutter compared to the serdi. The shop that has the serdi looked at the same machine the other shop has and liked the serdi better because the cutters are setup for the head and not each individual valve. We talked for awhile like atleast an hour about it and the benefits. I had already wanted the serdi to do the heads before going there but talking to him made me decide he was to do it. He knows what he was doing and I bet could do it with stones but he can not do a 7 angle valve job with stones and he can with the serdi and for the same price as a 3 angle. BTW he will do 3,5 or 7 angle valve jobs all for the same price on the serdi. One thing though he will not do them with worn Valve guides and recommends replacing if not within specs versus knurling them and the valve seats directly depend on the trueness of the valve guides. Christian J. Knudstrup ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Punisher" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: RE: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) > That was kinda My point. > for example: > If you have 10 identical heads and take them to 10 randomly selected machine > shops,half with serdi and half with stones. You are going to get more good > valve jobs from the serdi shops. > many of the machine shops I have visited do not care very much about > quality. realy good machine shops are hard to find. And of course a true > artist can do amazing things with stones. but thats way more work than > you'll get with a 'regular' valve job. > > > >From: Carl Summers > >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > >To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > >Subject: RE: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) > >Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 03:14:02 -0700 > > > >Ok, so here I have to disagree. I will state upfront that someone good > >with > >stones can do an excellent valve job, BUT, it takes 4-5 times longer than > >with a Serdi. A Serdi also has a depth micrometer so you can equalize the > >heights of the seats. Forget three angle valve jobs....the flow is in the > >proper radius cut(depending on the head). The longevity of the valve job > >has nothing to do with what machine does it... The width of the 45(or > >whatever) has more to do with longevity. On your asymetric seat thingy... > >I > >would agree if you are VERY talented with stones there are ways to > >compensate for flow angles... and its' Berco not Berko > >-Carl > >p.s. I HAVE done both... 7 years with a Serdi.... I'd take it any day over > >almost anything. If you want your gnats ass of flow increases with > >spending > >20-30 hrs with stones you better have a WET flow bench...and I would still > >use sanding rolls instead...after the Serdi. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > >Behalf Of Larry Heath > >Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:07 AM > >To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > >Subject: Re: RE: Dart heads - off topic (sort of) > > > > > > > BTW. if you are having a valve job done, be sure to have the seats "CUT" > > > instead of ground. A shop that uses a "Serdi" machine is what you want. > >The > > > seats have a machined finish instead of a ground finish. youre valve job > > > will last longer, and may flow a little better(in theory). > > > > > > >This is patent nonsense. > > > >Serdi cut seats and seats cut using stones are no different, EXCEPT you can > >do the seats in a head a hell of a lot faster using a Serdi machine, i.e > >its > >more cost effective for the shop. On top of that they charge more because > >they have the newest hot lick machine and it takes less time to do. They > >make more money. It also depends on who is doing the work, either way. I > >have seen butcher jobs using a Serdi machine as well as using stones or > >Neway cutters or any of a half dozen different methods of putting a seat in > >a head, it still depends on who is doing the work and how well trained they > >are and how much care they take in doing the job. > > > >You cut a seat using a Serdi machine and a seat using stones and if there > >the same angles and widths you are going to get the same flow and the same > >life. I use a Serdi ( its actually a Berko) and I use stones, mostly > >general > >rebuild stuff on the Berko and race stuff using stones. There are things > >you > >can't do using a Serdi machine such as asymmetric seats. > > > > > >Don't buy into the advertising and propaganda that you have to have a Serdi > >machine to do superior work, cause that is plain crap! > > > >Later Larry > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > >quotes) > >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > >quotes) > >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 20:16:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA01148 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 20:16:14 -0700 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA01144 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 20:16:08 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (dialup-64.156.207.144.Dial1.SanDiego1.Level3.net [64.156.207.144]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA13972 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 20:16:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the wheel? Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:16:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010507120159.00b284d0@exchange01.bnl.gov> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks, I must have confused the two. BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Ron Schroeder Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:02 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the wheel? At 11:19 PM 5/5/01 -0700, you wrote: >When I was looking into them (hall sensors, that is) I seemed to recall that >some of them will not work @ low rpm. If it is a true Hall sensor it should work to 0 rpm. If it is an inductive sensor it will have a low rpm limit. ---------------------- Ron Schroeder Brookhaven National Lab Building 911A Upton NY 11793 rjs@bnl.gov 631 344-4561 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 22:23:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA01902 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 22:23:52 -0700 Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id WAA01898 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 22:23:47 -0700 From: clayb@sonic.net Received: (qmail 8151 invoked from network); 8 May 2001 05:23:45 -0000 Received: from buzz.sonic.net (208.201.224.78) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 8 May 2001 05:23:45 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (d54.pm8.sonic.net [208.201.230.54]) by buzz.sonic.net (8.11.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id f485NZV05479 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 22:23:38 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3AF782CA.58BFB902@sonic.net> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:23:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Crank trigger confession References: <200105070800.BAA30447@hektor.valesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hey Guys, I called Crane Cams on the flaky Hall effect crank trigger pickup. They guy didn't sound at all surprised, and mumbled something about "potting compound", when he realized I had the "old version" of the pickup. he said to send it in, it would be replaced. Not a word about proof of purchase or other paperwork. No technical info, but it sounds like a known problem. I would almost be relieved that the problem will likely be solved soon... but it cost me a race to be their Beta tester. - Clay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 7 22:29:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA01963 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 7 May 2001 22:29:35 -0700 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA01959 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 22:29:30 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (dialup-209.245.35.174.Dial1.SanDiego1.Level3.net [209.245.35.174]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA13572 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 22:29:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: Crank trigger confession Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 22:29:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3AF782CA.58BFB902@sonic.net> Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org As much as that sucks, he could not have said anything & you could still be scratching your head. Sorry to hear of your good news. this is something that the corporate crane cams ought to suck up & put onto their web site. It would convince me to buy their products, just cause no-one else will do it (& neither will they BTW). BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of clayb@sonic.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:23 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Crank trigger confession Hey Guys, I called Crane Cams on the flaky Hall effect crank trigger pickup. They guy didn't sound at all surprised, and mumbled something about "potting compound", when he realized I had the "old version" of the pickup. he said to send it in, it would be replaced. Not a word about proof of purchase or other paperwork. No technical info, but it sounds like a known problem. I would almost be relieved that the problem will likely be solved soon... but it cost me a race to be their Beta tester. - Clay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 06:52:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA03855 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 06:52:09 -0700 Received: from msgbas1.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.6.9.33]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA03851 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 06:52:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.6.9.33] claimed to be msgbas1.cos.agilent.com Received: from msgrel1.and.agilent.com (msgrel1.and.agilent.com [130.30.33.104]) by msgbas1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C2713AC for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 07:51:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from banshee.soco.agilent.com (banshee.soco.agilent.com [141.121.48.131]) by msgrel1.and.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB086B2 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from agilent.com (mikebr@coupe.soco.agilent.com [141.121.54.76]) by banshee.soco.agilent.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6 SMKit7.1.1 agilent agilent) id GAA11696 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 06:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AF7F9F8.7B083D6E@agilent.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 06:51:52 -0700 From: Mike R Brown Organization: Agilent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/785) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Crank trigger signal, runout, refrigerator magnets in the wheel? References: <200105050800.BAA10329@hektor.valesh.com> <3AF4E486.5DF3D510@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Clay, I have been running the Crane Hall sensor on my '34 for a year and half now with no problems at all. I didn't use the Crane wheel though because it was on a three month backorder at the time. I used a Moroso wheel. They spec'd the run out to less than +/- .010". I was able to get it to +/- .002" without too much trouble. I too had to mount it in an non-standard way hanging outside of the lower pulleys. A few machined spacers and a dial indicator got it. I believe Crane wanted the sensor closer than .050", I think around .030". That is were mine is at. A .040" run out seems to be too much but I doubt it is not your cranking problem. The Hall sensor works well down to DC. Mine cranks in the 120-150 rpm range and never misses a beat. It is hooked up to +12 volts and not +5 from the ECM I assume. Maybe Moroso has better refrigerator magnets than Crane. Good Luck, Mike clayb@sonic.net wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I think I'm having trouble with the signal reliability from my Crane > Cams crank trigger. > > The trigger wheel is Crane Cams Hall effect. I hooked up the scope. > Unless the > scope is glitching at 12 Hz (150 RPM cranking speed), that crank trigger > is glitching. I've had this Autronics/Crane trigger setup working in the > past, but it has proved very proximity sensitive. The trigger wheel > wants to be rubbing against the Hall pickup, perfectly centered, with > .000" runout. but after I installed a new engine (same balancer and > trigger arrangement) the trigger became intermittent, again! I've had > the new engine running also, of course. But it went intermittent again > 100 yards from shore. Grrrr... > The plugs stopped sparking, but there was still fuel going > through the injectors, according to my nose. > > According to the scope, the cam pos sensor is fine. > > I believe, based on past experience with this stupid trigger, the "43" > code > thrown by the computer, the traces on the O-scope, and the lack of > ignition firing, that I may have a problem with magnetic field strength, > runout, Hall sensor sensitivity, etc. I measured the wheel > runout at .040". What do they expect out of a wheel centered by the > three pulley bolts? > Sure, the wheel isn't perfectly in line with the center of the Hall > sensor, but the center of the sensor is still "covered" by the wheel. > I'm starting to think this setup just ain't gonna cut it. I'm > going to make some phone calls, and check the magnet strength, but I > strongly suspect the Crane is ill designed and has weak magnets, > creating an unreasonable proximity requirement. > > http://www.cranecams.com/ignition1/ctrigger.htm > > MSD mentions rare earth magnets. I think the Crane trigger wheel magnets > are ex-refrigerator units! > http://www.msdignition.com/1msdcrnk.htm > > Has anyone had experiences with this particular brand of crank trigger, > or suggestions on how to fix what I have? I'm hoping the Hall sensor > itself is OK, as it is already mounted with bracket and adjuster. (It > does, by the way, respond to a medium Gauss magnet placed against it.) > > - Clay > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 11:20:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA05186 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:20:24 -0700 Received: from cpimssmtpoa03.msn.com (cpimssmtpoa03.msn.com [207.46.181.113]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA05182 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:20:17 -0700 Received: from cpimssmtpu10.email.msn.com ([207.46.181.85]) by cpimssmtpoa03.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Tue, 8 May 2001 11:10:55 -0700 Received: from brenda ([63.10.52.96]) by cpimssmtpu10.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Tue, 8 May 2001 11:10:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c0d7e1$f377c4e0$60340a3f@brenda> From: "BamaInstrument" To: References: <4A2568C1.0012A4F0.00@shb1ln11.transport.qld.gov.au> <38F691D9.4FD4E262@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Intake manifold construction Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 13:11:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2001 18:10:09.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E083F70:01C0D7EA] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Yep, I saw an article that stated that underhood heat can easily go over 300 degrees F after a shutdown. The timing was retarded to determine if the heat source was headers and the temperature went into the mid 300 degree F range. Also, it seems that older cars which have engine ventilation higher in relationship to the engine have less trouble. When setting and not running the heat seems to come out of the radiator opening in older cars. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth" To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:34 PM Subject: Re: Intake manifold construction > The DGEBA epoxy you are likely to use is not good for much over 100 > degrees C. You could get a tooling epoxy, but even that is probably not > any good at 150C. If you could get a flange of steel or aluminum and > extend it up a few inches, then graft on a plenum and runners of glass > and epoxy, that might keep the plenum cool enough. If it's a crossflow > head, then the intake will be cooler. If it's a single port face head, > then you may still encounter heat problems. You might consider a > phenolic/glass composite flange, then graft on the runners and plenum. > The phenolix matrix will put up with the heat, and won't conduct enough > to do the epoxy/glass any harm, IMHO. There is still the issue of > underhood convection at shutoff, however. > > -Seth > > Sean W Walsh wrote: > > > > Can anyone give me a reason why I shouldn't construct an intake manifold using > > Glass Reinforced Plastics? > > > > I have an older 4 cyl lancia engine with a dual throat single carby and 4 branch > > manifold. I'm converting this to EFI and want to create a port injection rampipe > > style intake with a small plenium etc. GRP lends itself to "backyard" techniques > > and since I have a bit of experience with boat construction I thought I'd give > > it a go myself rather than getting something fabricated. > > > > What are the problems I'm likely to face : different temperature expansion rates > > of the inlet manifold (grp) and the head (alloy)? fatigue from vibration? high > > temperatures breaking down the epoxy? I know there are epoxy resins available > > that are rated to 150 degrees celsius so that should be enough (?) any other > > suggestions? > > > > ************************************************************* > > Opinions contained in this e-mail do not necessarily reflect > > the opinions of the Queensland Department of Main Roads, or > > of Queensland Transport. If you have received this electronic > > mail message in error, please immediately notify the sender > > and delete the message from your computer. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > >  >  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 12:49:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA05673 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 12:49:49 -0700 Received: from cpimssmtpu10.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu10.email.msn.com [207.46.181.85]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA05665 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 12:49:37 -0700 Received: from brenda ([63.10.52.96]) by cpimssmtpu10.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Tue, 8 May 2001 12:48:54 -0700 Message-ID: <00f801c0d7ef$bf0f9940$60340a3f@brenda> From: "BamaInstrument" To: References: <200104261941.MAA22534@hektor.valesh.com> <3AE903D4.F6B3FC7A@zianet.com> <3AEA8D95.29425FCD@cruzers.com> Subject: Re: Any ideas on numbers appreciated.... Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:49:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2001 19:48:54.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA07FD60:01C0D7F7] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Actually, I believe that the SEFI was chosen so that a backfire wouldn't blow the entire intake manifold off the car! Having the injectors close to the cylinder and handling 1/6th the fuel reduced the fuel/air in the intake. Also, later it allowed an intercooler to be added gracefully. Imagine a backfire in a wet intercooler! dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ludis Langens" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:30 AM Subject: Re: Any ideas on numbers appreciated.... > "Michael D. Porter" wrote: > > > > I bought a manifold, injectors and fuel rails, > > cheap, from an `88 Ciera V-6 for use on the Buick V-6 in my TR7. I was a > > bit surprised to see a "sequential fuel injection" label on the > > manifold, since I thought most V-6 GM systems were batch- or bank-fire > > at the time. > > The Buick 3.8 V6 went to sequential injection in '86 (and I think in '84 > on the turbo 3.8's.) I suspect it was mainly for marketing purposes, > and a little bit as a field test of SFI. It may also have helped meet > emissions requirements. > > > I'd like to know if anyone has a GM part number handy for an > > ECM configured for manual transmission, 3.8 l stock V-6 engine, > > real-time barometric control and sequential injection. > > Manual transmissions and Buicks do not go together. Hence there are no > OEM manual transmission equipped 3.8 EFI engines. You'll have to work > from an automatic chip. > > -- > Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com > Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 12:49:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA05672 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 12:49:49 -0700 Received: from cpimssmtpu10.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu10.email.msn.com [207.46.181.85]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA05663 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 12:49:37 -0700 Received: from brenda ([63.10.52.96]) by cpimssmtpu10.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Tue, 8 May 2001 12:48:49 -0700 Message-ID: <00f701c0d7ef$bc60f400$60340a3f@brenda> From: "BamaInstrument" To: References: <56E3A1D41F497348BB796D04459B7B2002D4D2@rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de> <000f01c0d540$4a50b3c0$0200000a@default> Subject: Re: combustion pressure sensor Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:42:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2001 19:48:50.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[E75BC920:01C0D7F7] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Don't know that I agree with all this. It seems to me that the force read is the force pushing the spark plug out of the hole. Therefore, If the spark plug is torqued correctly then the force gauge would indicate a decrease of the tightening force. Since the tightening force would be much greater than the compression force the transducer would probably be very linear. As for calibration, when the engine is cranked and not firing with wide open throttle, there is a certain pressure developed depending on the compression ratio. This could be calibration. I would suppose that calibration would change with temperature, I don't know the characteristic of piezo transducers. The signal would be the first derivative of cylinder pressure - no DC measurements here. Very interesting device. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Heath" To: Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 4:49 AM Subject: Re: combustion pressure sensor > I think that they are using this device to detect the high frequency > pressure/shock waves or characteristic "ring" that are generated by > detonation and transmitted throughout the engine. Question is if it > "directly measures" or only indirectly corresponds to actual in cylinder > pressure or it generates a voltage signal variation based upon a change in > the local stresses and strains associated with the base stress and strain > induced in the sensor by the torque applied to the sparkplug. Therefore > every time you change the sparkplug(s) you would achieve a different base > voltage/calibration. After all this is or appears to be a simple pizo strain > gauge. You may be looking for or at signals that are only minute high > frequency variations on an overall base voltage that is generate in the > sensor by the torque/pressure applied buy the sparkplug and does not > "directly" read cylinder pressure. True pressure transducers use a much > thinner "window" that is directly exposed to the pressure and to which the > strain gauge is mounted or attached. Now it appears to me that the > variations from one cylinder to another and from engine to engine and from > model to model would generate and insurmountable calibration curve problem > if one was trying to use the sparkplug/cylinder head as this window. > > Now of course if each cylinder was equipped with one of these sensors then > one could detect which cylinder and at what point in engine relative time > detonation set in and a relative severity for the detonation. > > Until someone gets more info on this device and its required associated > electronics and or calibration curve this is all speculation. > > Later Larry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rausch, Bernd" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:44 AM > Subject: AW: combustion pressure sensor > > > > They call it "a unique approach in measuring severity of knock in gas > > spark engines", and "it yields an output voltage that corresponds to > > cylinder combustion pressure". > > > > regards, > > Bernd > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Larry Heath [mailto:lgheath@earthlink.net] > > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2001 14:16 > > An: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > Betreff: Re: combustion pressure sensor > > > > > > From your subject line I think that your barking up the wrong tree here. > > This is a "KNOCK" sensor or at least that is what their calling the > > thing. > > > > Not that this might not be a bad tool, its just not a combustion > > pressure > > sensor. > > > > Later Larry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rausch, Bernd" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:34 AM > > Subject: combustion pressure sensor > > > > > > > looks interesting, does anyone know this senasor ? > > > http://www.pcb.com/products/custom/cus140m05.html > > > > > > Bernd > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > -- > > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > > quotes) > > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 12:54:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA05753 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 12:54:56 -0700 Received: from cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com [207.46.181.86]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA05747 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 12:54:41 -0700 Received: from brenda ([63.10.52.96]) by cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Tue, 8 May 2001 12:53:48 -0700 Message-ID: <011801c0d7f0$6e1d22e0$60340a3f@brenda> From: "BamaInstrument" To: , "Oregon BushHackers" , , , References: <01042116022900.31839@noname.nodomain.nowhere> Subject: Re: OT, Cheap Tricks Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:55:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2001 19:53:48.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[993718C0:01C0D7F8] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Watch out for this! It all depends on the metal used in the multimeter probes! The pH test is much more reliable. Then check your probes and party on. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Hammer" To: "Oregon BushHackers" ; ; ; ; Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: OT, Cheap Tricks > Found in the June, 2001 Four Wheeler magazine in the Techline column by > Willie Worthy - a way to check your antifreeze with a digital voltmeter. > > Sure, one of those floating ball 'martini' testers will clue you in to > the level of freezing protection of your coolant, but it doesn't tell > you anything about the condition of the additive package that helps > prevent corrosion in the cooling system. (those of us with all-aluminum > engines tend to care about such things... :) Here's what you do; take > your digital voltmeter's positive probe and touch it to the radiator > (in a paintless spot - maybe the sealing surface of the filler neck?) > and dip the negative probe into the coolant. A reading of .2 volts or > less indicates that all is well. A reading of .5 volts indicates that > you should start thinking about changing the coolant. A reading of .7 > volts or more indicates that you should change the coolant NOW! > -- > Guy Hammer, guyh@aracnet.com > http://www.aracnet.com/~guyh > -- > 4:00pm up 39 days, 16:58, 5 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 0.96 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 14:19:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA06346 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 14:19:34 -0700 Received: from femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.140]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06342 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 14:19:28 -0700 Received: from c157627a ([24.11.247.148]) by femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010508211922.NFCH570.femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c157627a> for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 14:19:22 -0700 From: "Glenn & Debbie Woodhouse" To: Subject: Bosch LSM11 Resistance (Ri) Curve Data? (was RE: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #595) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:20:20 -0600 Message-ID: <003001c0d804$b0598720$94f70b18@boise1.id.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200104301837.LAA13958@hektor.valesh.com> Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks for the reply Eric. I too saw this post a couple of months ago when surfing the archives. I tried to locate Mike Licht and Modern Muscle in Detroit with no luck. I have a scanned Bosch data sheet from the archives but it only provides me with A/F ratio to voltage and temperature (in the rich range). I could have easily missed something in the archives though. If you find anything it would be appreciated. Does anyone know if Frank Parker is still at the fparker@umich.edu address?? I haven't seen him posting in recent times. I'll give that address a whirl. Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:56:29 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Subject: Re: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #591 Glenn & Debbie Woodhouse wrote: > > Eric, > > I have dug through the archives and found the Bosch LSM11 curves that relate > A/F ratio to voltage and temperature (in the rich range) but I have not seen > the curves for probe resistance vs. temperature, which is the key to using > this sensor as a wide band meter without incorporating an EGT into the > system. If you have this data or know where to get it I would be very > interested. Glenn, A quick scan of the '96 archives gives me this in a post from Frank Parker dated 27 Nov 1996: > BUT there appears to be another solution- the Bosch LSM-11 sensor as used > in their LA-2 $5000 air fuel meter. The sensor alone is about $190. I just > purchased 3 more at that price from a Bosch distributor. I have the cal > tables on this sensor and I also gave copy to Jim. We started to design > an interface for this sensor as it is much simpler. This sensor has the > BIG ADVANTAGE that its voltage curve is a very close match to a std sensor > as thus you can just replace the std sensor in your car with the LSM-11 > and then car will run fine on it. Then can hook up your a/f interface box > in parallal and read out a/f ratio. The main thing to solve with this sensor > is the large temperature correction. The idea was to use a PIC as a > controller. Figure out a math function ( 3rd order or so) to match the > std S shaped curve, then use the temp as an offset function in the > controller. The internal resistance of the sensor changes from about > 10 ohms to over 100 ohms and is a indication of the temperature. > To give you an idea of the shift with temp, note the following: > OUTPUT 650 deg 750 deg 900 deg > 830 mv 13.94 13.23 12.02 > As you can see if you are tuning for max power, there is a big difference > between 13.9 and 12.0 air/fuel at a fixed 0.83 volts. > All is not lost, Mike Licht @ Modern Muscle here in Detroit(810-754-0261) > is in final test stages of a a/f meter that uses this sensor. Will sell > for $800 including the sensor. That is why Jim and I stopped work on our > design and are waiting for the MM meter. Interested parties can call > Mike @ above # I seem to remember seeing a post in the '96 or '97 archives where someone had scanned and posted the actual Bosch datasheets. If I find that I'll let you know. Eric - -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 14:36:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA06497 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 14:36:57 -0700 Received: from sisko.awpi.com (root@awpi.com [204.241.40.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06492 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 14:36:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host root@awpi.com [204.241.40.2] claimed to be sisko.awpi.com Received: from despav (ip243.austin20.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.31.161.243]) by sisko.awpi.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA28079 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:36:26 -0500 From: " Brian Michalk" To: Subject: RE: combustion pressure sensor Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:35:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-reply-to: <00f701c0d7ef$bc60f400$60340a3f@brenda> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org There is a company, Gami that is developing an electronic ignition system for aircraft engines using spark plugs modified to work with these pressure sensors. Their system uses fiber optic cables to couple to the pressure sensor. I met with them, and looked at some of their data. They are able to measure the horsepower of the engine within 3% of a calibrated dynamometer. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of BamaInstrument > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 1:43 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: combustion pressure sensor > > > Don't know that I agree with all this. It seems to me that the force read > is the force pushing the spark plug out of the hole. Therefore, If the > spark plug is torqued correctly then the force gauge would indicate a > decrease of the tightening force. Since the tightening force > would be much > greater than the compression force the transducer would probably be very > linear. > > As for calibration, when the engine is cranked and not firing > with wide open > throttle, there is a certain pressure developed depending on the > compression > ratio. This could be calibration. I would suppose that calibration would > change with temperature, I don't know the characteristic of piezo > transducers. The signal would be the first derivative of cylinder > pressure - no DC measurements here. > > Very interesting device. > > dh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Heath" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 4:49 AM > Subject: Re: combustion pressure sensor > > > > I think that they are using this device to detect the high frequency > > pressure/shock waves or characteristic "ring" that are generated by > > detonation and transmitted throughout the engine. Question is if it > > "directly measures" or only indirectly corresponds to actual in cylinder > > pressure or it generates a voltage signal variation based upon > a change in > > the local stresses and strains associated with the base stress > and strain > > induced in the sensor by the torque applied to the sparkplug. Therefore > > every time you change the sparkplug(s) you would achieve a > different base > > voltage/calibration. After all this is or appears to be a simple pizo > strain > > gauge. You may be looking for or at signals that are only minute high > > frequency variations on an overall base voltage that is generate in the > > sensor by the torque/pressure applied buy the sparkplug and does not > > "directly" read cylinder pressure. True pressure transducers use a much > > thinner "window" that is directly exposed to the pressure and > to which the > > strain gauge is mounted or attached. Now it appears to me that the > > variations from one cylinder to another and from engine to > engine and from > > model to model would generate and insurmountable calibration > curve problem > > if one was trying to use the sparkplug/cylinder head as this window. > > > > Now of course if each cylinder was equipped with one of these > sensors then > > one could detect which cylinder and at what point in engine > relative time > > detonation set in and a relative severity for the detonation. > > > > Until someone gets more info on this device and its required associated > > electronics and or calibration curve this is all speculation. > > > > Later Larry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rausch, Bernd" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:44 AM > > Subject: AW: combustion pressure sensor > > > > > > > They call it "a unique approach in measuring severity of knock in gas > > > spark engines", and "it yields an output voltage that corresponds to > > > cylinder combustion pressure". > > > > > > regards, > > > Bernd > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: Larry Heath [mailto:lgheath@earthlink.net] > > > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2001 14:16 > > > An: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > > Betreff: Re: combustion pressure sensor > > > > > > > > > From your subject line I think that your barking up the wrong > tree here. > > > This is a "KNOCK" sensor or at least that is what their calling the > > > thing. > > > > > > Not that this might not be a bad tool, its just not a combustion > > > pressure > > > sensor. > > > > > > Later Larry > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Rausch, Bernd" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:34 AM > > > Subject: combustion pressure sensor > > > > > > > > > > looks interesting, does anyone know this senasor ? > > > > http://www.pcb.com/products/custom/cus140m05.html > > > > > > > > Bernd > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -- > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > > > quotes) > > > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > > > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---- > > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > > > quotes) > > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > > > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > > quotes) > > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without > the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 14:51:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA06686 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 14:51:13 -0700 Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA06678 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 14:51:06 -0700 Received: from modem-154.idaho.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.63.154]) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14xFNn-0000u3-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 08 May 2001 22:51:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:52:11 +0100 From: Chris Wilson X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52 Beta/14) Personal Organization: Gatesgarth Racing Developments X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1494170.20010508225211@formula3.freeserve.co.uk> To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I use a make of boost gauge that works fine in 90% of installations but occasionally the needle will sense intake pulses and go haywire, oscillating about and buzzing. Any ideas for a cheap and simple in hose damper to put between manifold and gauge? Thanks. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson mailto:chris@formula3.freeserve.co.uk http://www.formula3.freeserve.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 15:15:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA06911 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:15:31 -0700 Received: from dribble.cme.nist.gov (dribble.cme.nist.gov [129.6.32.31]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06907 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:15:25 -0700 Received: from geras (geras.ped.cme.nist.gov [129.6.72.125]) by dribble.cme.nist.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02589 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 18:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20010508181334.00b96440@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> X-Sender: brenegar@mailhub.cme.nist.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:15:23 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Brian Renegar Subject: Re: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? In-Reply-To: <1494170.20010508225211@formula3.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >I use a make of boost gauge that works fine in 90% of installations but >occasionally the needle will sense intake pulses and go haywire, >oscillating about and buzzing. Any ideas for a cheap and simple in hose >damper to put between manifold and gauge? Thanks. You might try just increasing the length of tubing from the gauge to the intake. The extra air in the tube should help dampen any pressure pulses. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 15:32:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA07127 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:32:55 -0700 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA07120 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:32:48 -0700 Received: from default (user76.net001.fl.sprint-hsd.net [205.245.5.76]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01083 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000b01c0d80e$89972660$4c05f5cd@default> From: "Larry Heath" To: References: <1494170.20010508225211@formula3.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:30:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Put a small diameter orifice ( could be made out of just about anything) inline with the gauge this should dampen the oscillations. Later Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Wilson" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:52 PM Subject: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? > > I use a make of boost gauge that works fine in 90% of installations but > occasionally the needle will sense intake pulses and go haywire, > oscillating about and buzzing. Any ideas for a cheap and simple in hose > damper to put between manifold and gauge? Thanks. > > -- > Best regards, > Chris Wilson mailto:chris@formula3.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.formula3.freeserve.co.uk > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 15:49:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA07257 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:49:04 -0700 Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA07252 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:48:57 -0700 Received: from pacbell ([63.196.112.239]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0GD100CUIFWA42@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:31:22 -0700 From: Carl Summers Subject: RE: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? In-reply-to: <4.1.20010508181334.00b96440@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Put an orifice(.040-.060") in the vacuum/boost line about 12" from the guage. It will dampen the pulses. It will also make the gueage react a little slower but shouldn't be a prob. -Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Brian Renegar Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:15 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? >I use a make of boost gauge that works fine in 90% of installations but >occasionally the needle will sense intake pulses and go haywire, >oscillating about and buzzing. Any ideas for a cheap and simple in hose >damper to put between manifold and gauge? Thanks. You might try just increasing the length of tubing from the gauge to the intake. The extra air in the tube should help dampen any pressure pulses. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 15:57:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA07361 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:57:55 -0700 Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA07356 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:57:49 -0700 Received: from tomneime ([65.64.247.159]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0GD100M89H17CU@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net> for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 8 May 2001 17:55:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:07:02 -0500 From: Tom Neimeyer Subject: Re: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Message-id: <000d01c0d813$97f92640$0100a8c0@tomneime> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 References: <4.1.20010508181334.00b96440@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This may sound stupid on my part, but I assume your boost gauge is full of silicone or glycerine? Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Renegar" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? > >I use a make of boost gauge that works fine in 90% of installations but > >occasionally the needle will sense intake pulses and go haywire, > >oscillating about and buzzing. Any ideas for a cheap and simple in hose > >damper to put between manifold and gauge? Thanks. > > You might try just increasing the length of tubing from the gauge to the > intake. The extra air in the tube should help dampen any pressure pulses. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 16:23:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA07625 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:23:00 -0700 Received: from c0mailgw13.prontomail.com (mailgw.prontomail.com [216.163.180.10]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA07621 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:22:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mailgw.prontomail.com [216.163.180.10] claimed to be c0mailgw13.prontomail.com Received: from c0web110 (216.163.180.10) by c0mailgw13.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.1.050) id 3AF34AAE000B6CA0 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:20:12 -0700 From: "pat ford" Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 19:24:05 -0400 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Re: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hektor.valesh.com id QAA07622 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Cheap plastic fuel filter? ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: Brian Renegar Sent: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:15:23 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? >I use a make of boost gauge that works fine in 90% of installations but >occasionally the needle will sense intake pulses and go haywire, >oscillating about and buzzing. Any ideas for a cheap and simple in hose >damper to put between manifold and gauge? Thanks. You might try just increasing the length of tubing from the gauge to the intake.  The extra air in the tube should help dampen any pressure pulses. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---- End Original Message ---- Pat Ford 12 Strathcona St Smith Falls,On 613-283-4703 __________________________________________ Sent by Sofcom Mail - The world's coolest and safest FREE email service. http://www.sofcom.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 17:24:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08069 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 17:24:27 -0700 Received: from yampa.cmn.net (IDENT:root@mail.cmn.net [206.168.145.15]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08065 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 17:24:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host IDENT:root@mail.cmn.net [206.168.145.15] claimed to be yampa.cmn.net Received: from [206.168.145.122] (user148.cmn.net [206.168.145.122]) by yampa.cmn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA21582 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 18:04:21 -0600 X-Sender: bearbvd@mail.cmn.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:24:16 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: bearbvd@cmn.net (Greg Hermann) Subject: Re: combustion pressure sensor Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 2:42 PM 5/8/01, BamaInstrument wrote: >Don't know that I agree with all this. It seems to me that the force read >is the force pushing the spark plug out of the hole. Therefore, If the >spark plug is torqued correctly then the force gauge would indicate a >decrease of the tightening force. Since the tightening force would be much >greater than the compression force the transducer would probably be very >linear. > Suggest you learn a bit about the forces in bolted joints and also abotu vibration theory before offering such an opinion! Basically, what goes on in this instance, is that the (compressive) clamping force against the spark plug sealing washer is reduced as the pressure in the combustion chamber increases. Because the clamped washer is part of a relatively stiff assembly, a load cell included in the washer could read fairly high frequency changes in pressure without filtering them out, so long as the DAQ circuitry is up to the job. Whether or not such sensors are used to try to read the "ringing" that occurs with detonation is another matter. Greg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 19:15:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA09174 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 19:15:36 -0700 Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [216.86.64.33]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA09169 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 19:15:29 -0700 Received: from provide.net (usr01-062.provide.net [216.86.65.62]) by dns1.provide.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f492FRT25965 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 22:15:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Filter: check_local@dns1.provide.net by digitalanswers.org Message-ID: <3AF8A8CB.9B5901EC@provide.net> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 22:17:47 -0400 From: Dr Flowgood Organization: GM Tech center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Bosch LSM11 Resistance (Ri) Curve Data? (was RE: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #595) References: <003001c0d804$b0598720$94f70b18@boise1.id.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Modern Muscle is out of buisness, and I think I heard Mike Licht was involved with Ramchargers performance shops somehow or another. they are in Livonia.MI im going out of town in the am so I hope that help Doug (heading to memphis ) J Glenn & Debbie Woodhouse wrote: > Thanks for the reply Eric. I too saw this post a couple of months ago when > surfing the archives. I tried to locate Mike Licht and Modern Muscle in > Detroit with no luck. I have a scanned Bosch data sheet from the archives > but it only provides me with A/F ratio to voltage and temperature (in the > rich range). I could have easily missed something in the archives though. > If you find anything it would be appreciated. > > Does anyone know if Frank Parker is still at the fparker@umich.edu address?? > I haven't seen him posting in recent times. I'll give that address a whirl. > > Glenn. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:56:29 -0400 > From: Eric Fahlgren > Subject: Re: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #591 > > Glenn & Debbie Woodhouse wrote: > > > > Eric, > > > > I have dug through the archives and found the Bosch LSM11 curves that > relate > > A/F ratio to voltage and temperature (in the rich range) but I have not > seen > > the curves for probe resistance vs. temperature, which is the key to using > > this sensor as a wide band meter without incorporating an EGT into the > > system. If you have this data or know where to get it I would be very > > interested. > > Glenn, > > A quick scan of the '96 archives gives me this in a post from > Frank Parker dated 27 Nov 1996: > > > BUT there appears to be another solution- the Bosch LSM-11 sensor as used > > in their LA-2 $5000 air fuel meter. The sensor alone is about $190. I just > > purchased 3 more at that price from a Bosch distributor. I have the cal > > tables on this sensor and I also gave copy to Jim. We started to design > > an interface for this sensor as it is much simpler. This sensor has the > > BIG ADVANTAGE that its voltage curve is a very close match to a std sensor > > as thus you can just replace the std sensor in your car with the LSM-11 > > and then car will run fine on it. Then can hook up your a/f interface box > > in parallal and read out a/f ratio. The main thing to solve with this > sensor > > is the large temperature correction. The idea was to use a PIC as a > > controller. Figure out a math function ( 3rd order or so) to match the > > std S shaped curve, then use the temp as an offset function in the > > controller. The internal resistance of the sensor changes from about > > 10 ohms to over 100 ohms and is a indication of the temperature. > > To give you an idea of the shift with temp, note the following: > > OUTPUT 650 deg 750 deg 900 deg > > 830 mv 13.94 13.23 12.02 > > As you can see if you are tuning for max power, there is a big difference > > between 13.9 and 12.0 air/fuel at a fixed 0.83 volts. > > All is not lost, Mike Licht @ Modern Muscle here in Detroit(810-754-0261) > > is in final test stages of a a/f meter that uses this sensor. Will sell > > for $800 including the sensor. That is why Jim and I stopped work on our > > design and are waiting for the MM meter. Interested parties can call > > Mike @ above # > > I seem to remember seeing a post in the '96 or '97 archives where > someone had scanned and posted the actual Bosch datasheets. If I > find that I'll let you know. > > Eric > - -- > Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc > efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 19:27:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA09302 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 19:27:08 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id TAA09298 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 19:27:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id VAA03898; Tue, 8 May 2001 21:27:01 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma003896; Tue, 8 May 01 21:26:15 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18796 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 21:26:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AF8A9DE.E540CF48@arm.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 21:22:22 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org vacuum hose connector filled w/epoxy and drilled out? pat ford wrote: > > Cheap plastic fuel filter? > > ---- Begin Original Message ---- > From: Brian Renegar > Sent: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:15:23 -0400 > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? > > >I use a make of boost gauge that works fine in 90% of installations but > >occasionally the needle will sense intake pulses and go haywire, > >oscillating about and buzzing. Any ideas for a cheap and simple in hose > >damper to put between manifold and gauge? Thanks. -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 19:39:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA09540 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 19:39:30 -0700 Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA09531 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 19:39:23 -0700 Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (dyn-d082f6f2.spiritone.com [208.130.246.242]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f492dLU32667 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 19:39:21 -0700 From: Guy Hammer Organization: unlikely at best To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: OT, Cheap Tricks Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:52:59 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain References: <011801c0d7f0$6e1d22e0$60340a3f@brenda> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01050819253600.30163@noname.nodomain.nowhere> X-KMail-Mark: Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hektor.valesh.com id TAA09532 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Tue, 08 May 2001, BamaInstrument writes: > Watch out for this! It all depends on the metal used in the multimeter > probes! The pH test is much more reliable. Then check your probes and > party on. Good point - I hadn't given this much thought. I gathered up a sample of metals I've collected over the years and ran some tests on my daily driver and test mule, a '98 Side-kick with the factory coolant. (I know, it'll get changed before next fall... :) Results were with an aluminum radiator core - negative probe was: Standard Tektronics (I assume nickel plated) Probe .40V Stainless Steel (ruler) .15V Copper .07V Aluminum .37V Tungsten .16V Brass (ball point pen refill) .07V Titanium .28V High Speed Steel (drill bit, whatever that is...) .20V I had gold and silver (rings) samples as well - unfortunately they didn't fit through the radiator neck, and I was somewhat reluctant to cut them to fit... ;^) Bottom line - I didn't see any results that would make me run out and replace the coolent later tonight. -- Guy Hammer, guyh@aracnet.com http://www.aracnet.com/~guyh -- 6:50pm up 56 days, 19:46, 4 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 0.93 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 8 23:18:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA10876 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 8 May 2001 23:18:40 -0700 Received: from dalek.ains.net.au (ains.net.au [210.9.53.3]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA10872 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 23:18:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host ains.net.au [210.9.53.3] claimed to be dalek.ains.net.au Received: from injec.com (cgw158.ains.net.au [210.9.53.158]) by dalek.ains.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03104 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 16:18:15 +1000 Message-ID: <3AF8DE26.FF39591@injec.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 16:05:27 +1000 From: Phil Lamovie Organization: Injec Racing Developments X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Damping oscillating boost gauge needle??? References: <1494170.20010508225211@formula3.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Try some gear oil in the hose. 2or 3 drops should do it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 9 01:00:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA11244 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 9 May 2001 01:00:31 -0700 Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA11227 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 01:00:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cruzers.com [205.215.232.2] claimed to be blackie.cruzers.com Received: from cruzers.com (robbie-135.cruzers.com [209.165.194.135]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA05424 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 01:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AF8F805.80482DCB@cruzers.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 23:56:02 -0800 From: Ludis Langens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Any ideas on numbers appreciated.... References: <200104261941.MAA22534@hektor.valesh.com> <3AE903D4.F6B3FC7A@zianet.com> <3AEA8D95.29425FCD@cruzers.com> <00f801c0d7ef$bf0f9940$60340a3f@brenda> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org BamaInstrument wrote: > > > Buick 3.8 V6 > > Actually, I believe that the SEFI was chosen so that a backfire wouldn't > blow the entire intake manifold off the car! > > Having the injectors close to the cylinder and handling 1/6th the fuel > reduced the fuel/air in the intake. Also, later it allowed an intercooler > to be added gracefully. Imagine a backfire in a wet intercooler! There are plenty of batch fired V6's without backfire problems. Such as the Chevy 2.8 & 3.1, the Buick 3.0 (ie short stroke 3.8), and others. A PFI (aka MPFI) V6 has each injector flowing 1/6 the fuel - just like the SEFI case. The only difference is the timing of the fuel flow. -- Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 9 06:23:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA12563 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 9 May 2001 06:23:22 -0700 Received: from smtp06.mail.onemain.com (SMTP-OUT003.ONEMAIN.COM [63.208.208.73]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id GAA12559 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 06:23:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 06:23:15 -0700 Message-Id: <200105091323.GAA12559@hektor.valesh.com> X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host SMTP-OUT003.ONEMAIN.COM [63.208.208.73] claimed to be smtp06.mail.onemain.com Received: (qmail 20100 invoked from network); 9 May 2001 13:09:48 -0000 Received: from 209-162-53-71.thegrid.net (HELO 4x3ni) ([209.162.53.71]) (envelope-sender <>) by smtp06.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 May 2001 13:09:48 -0000 From: Hahaha Subject: Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story! 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 05:24:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA21864 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 05:24:45 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA21860 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 05:24:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8.adams.com [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05512 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17297 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:24:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3AFA8884.9F446771@adams.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:24:36 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Bosch LSM11 Resistance (Ri) Curve Data? (was RE: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #595) References: <003001c0d804$b0598720$94f70b18@boise1.id.home.com> <3AF8A8CB.9B5901EC@provide.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Dr Flowgood wrote: > > Modern Muscle is out of buisness, and I think I heard Mike Licht was involved > with Ramchargers performance shops somehow or another. they are in Livonia.MI Well, not really out of business, but bought by Ramchargers and now all their products (including the AFR meter) are sold under the Ramchargers name. http://www.ramchargers.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=10767&cgmenbr=541 -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 06:01:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA22183 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 06:01:13 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA22179 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 06:01:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8.adams.com [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07727 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20580 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3AFA910F.63FA4B74@adams.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:01:03 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Rod ends References: <20010510114557.53143.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Roy wrote: > > Hi all > > I know this is not EFI related but as you americans > are fortunate enough to have easy access to a wide > range of automotive parts, where as in the UK its an > expensive nightmare, I thought I would ask if anybody > knows of a source for chrome moly rod ends at a > reasonable price. Roy, I don't know what you think is reasonable, but I buy stuff like that from Racer Parts Wholesale. I've found their prices to be very competitive (about the best around for Aeroquip, for instance), and they have most stuff like this in stock. http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/rodindx.htm No affiliation yada yada yada, just a satisfied customer, Eric -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 06:43:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA22618 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 06:43:42 -0700 Received: from relay1.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id GAA22614 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 06:43:35 -0700 Received: (qmail 10573 invoked from network); 10 May 2001 13:42:20 -0000 Received: from vsat-148-75-122-186.ssa7.mcl.starband.net (HELO pc1) (148.75.122.186) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 10 May 2001 13:42:20 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 148.75.122.186 Message-ID: <020f01c0d957$31a20de0$ba7a4b94@pc1> From: "PRD C5 EFI/ECM Research" To: Subject: Fw: Rod ends Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:43:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Roy, One place that supplies every rod end related part you can imagine is National Rod Ends at www.nred.com . Also, try www.halshocks.com , they are owned by QA1 Precision Products who makes Rod Ends and other hardware. I have been developing suspension applications with them and they seem to be friendly and affordable (at least when it comes to shocks). Anyway, good luck... Ethan Hall Performance Research and Development, Inc. www.performanceresearchonline.com . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 6:45 AM > Subject: Rod ends > > > > Hi all > > > > I know this is not EFI related but as you americans > > are fortunate enough to have easy access to a wide > > range of automotive parts, where as in the UK its an > > expensive nightmare, I thought I would ask if anybody > > knows of a source for chrome moly rod ends at a > > reasonable price. > > > > thanks Roy > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 07:46:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA24329 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:46:10 -0700 Received: from ns1.mailer.org (mailer.org [199.44.63.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA24322 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:46:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mailer.org [199.44.63.2] claimed to be ns1.mailer.org Received: from localhost (amacc@localhost) by ns1.mailer.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f4AEjxU08359 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 10:46:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:45:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew McRory X-X-Sender: To: Subject: VSS and aftermarket Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Greetings to all! As I get nearer to cutting wires I am looking for a good way to add a VSS to my '72 Jimmy 4x4 conversion (using the 727). I have seen the external sensors from JTR and while that may what I wind up using I am still looking for options like... ...pulling the factory speedo sensor from a v6 Camaro to hack into the Jimmy's speedo but I don't think so now :-) So I got the idea that with all the factory cars with integral VSS speedometers there must be an aftermarket replacemnt with VSS built in or at least offered as an option. Since I already planned to update my guages this seemed like a match made in heaven. So far I have not found such a beast. Anyone know if such an animal exists? Regards, Andrew in Florida... "Oh, about the Homepage virus thing... just use UNIX or at least stop using Microsoft email products :-P " ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 07:52:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA24614 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:52:51 -0700 Received: from web6203.mail.yahoo.com (web6203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.22.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id HAA24607 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:52:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20010510145238.27355.qmail@web6203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.94.74.91] by web6203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:52:38 PDT Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack Doe Subject: Re: Manifold Construction To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: <200105090216.TAA09179@hektor.valesh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I remember seeing a page where somebody had constructed a manifold for a subaru single port flat 4 (ea81) using carbon fiber with steel lugs on the intake ports (4130 steel and 1.5" long) for joining and posibly to eliminate heat. The manifold was for a homebuilt aircraft. He had chosen this meathod because the stock aluminum casting was about 7 lbs. heavier than it neaded to be. One URL is: http://www.interstice.com/~kevinh/soobfaq.html#14.0 A common method is to construct a styrofoam mockup and lay up the carbon on that then the styrofoam can be removed with hand tools and gasoline. I think that I've also heard of using pool acid, maybe that was to remove an aluminum lug from a carbon peice though anyway, good luck. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 08:14:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA25005 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:14:38 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA25000 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:14:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id KAA10299; Thu, 10 May 2001 10:14:30 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma010297; Thu, 10 May 01 10:14:19 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26539 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 10:14:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AFAAF52.24BD353B@arm.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:10:10 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: VSS and aftermarket References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Don't know if they have one, but United Speedometer is usually highly recommended by people: http://www.speedometershop.com/ --steve Andrew McRory wrote: > So I got the idea that with all the factory cars with integral VSS > speedometers there must be an aftermarket replacemnt with VSS built in or > at least offered as an option. Since I already planned to update my guages > this seemed like a match made in heaven. So far I have not found such a > beast. Anyone know if such an animal exists? -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 09:10:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA25761 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:10:20 -0700 Received: from smtpgw.bnl.gov (mail@smtpgw.bnl.gov [130.199.3.16]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA25752 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:09:57 -0700 Received: from bnl.gov ([130.199.128.163]) by smtpgw.bnl.gov with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 ) id 14xt0k-0003EF-00 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:09:54 -0400 Received: from inst911 (inst911.ags.bnl.gov [130.199.100.93]) by bnl.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA28828 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010510120948.00c7ac60@exchange01.bnl.gov> X-Sender: rschroeder@exchange01.bnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:09:48 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Ron Schroeder Subject: Re: VSS and aftermarket In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 10:45 AM 5/10/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Greetings to all! > >As I get nearer to cutting wires I am looking for a good way to add a VSS >to my '72 Jimmy 4x4 conversion (using the 727). I have seen the external >sensors from JTR and while that may what I wind up using I am still >looking for options like... ...pulling the factory speedo sensor from a >v6 Camaro to hack into the Jimmy's speedo but I don't think so now :-) > >So I got the idea that with all the factory cars with integral VSS >speedometers there must be an aftermarket replacemnt with VSS built in or >at least offered as an option. Since I already planned to update my guages >this seemed like a match made in heaven. So far I have not found such a >beast. Anyone know if such an animal exists? > >Regards, > >Andrew in Florida... Hi Andrew, I am using the VDO sender for their electronic speedo on my military truck. 16 pulses per revolution. The one that I have threads on to 7/8" x 18TPI and has a .1" square drive just like a speedo cable. Ron Schroeder WD8CDH E. E. S. wd8cdh@bnl.gov rjs@bnl.gov ron@112motors.com 631 344-4561 Day 631 286-5677 Nite ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 09:31:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA25944 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:31:57 -0700 Received: from mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.85]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA25940 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:31:51 -0700 Received: from cr857883-a ([24.79.97.14]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010510163045.BVXC20687.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@cr857883-a> for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:30:45 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010510093425.00ada6b0@mail> X-Sender: 280zx@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:34:34 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Ross Corrigan <280zx@home.com> Subject: some bosch high psi/high vol. pump info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org rare day when I can contribute:) I figured this info may be of use for others looking to purchase a fuel pump. I have the tables (some 7-9 pages) of fuel pump info from a member here previously but coudn't cross over those PN's with anyone and the OE application wasn't always specific so I chased down some Bosch PN/info. BOSCH TECH US/CANADA 1-800-521-5462 I called Bosch and got the psi/gph and PN info below and then pricing is CD$'s (/1.55 ~ for US) from a local auto chain 43.5 psi at 58 gph 0580 254 909 $210 my cost but not in stock 72.5 psi 47.5 gph 0580 464 070 $269 my cost, $369 retail 72.5 psi 42 gph 0580 254 910 $227 in stock and $303 retail 72.5 psi 33 gph 0580 254 911 didn't ask for $ info 58 psi at 36.5 gph 0580 464 069 didn't ask for $ info -all 12mm threads My setup won't exceed 450 flywheel hp so I figure using ~.55lbs/hp/hr =247.5lb fuel/hr. And I forgot to ask Bosch if their gallons were US or Imperial.....either 6 lb/gal or 7.2 which yields a possible bracket of 41 or 34 gph. As all of this is somewhat conservative using .55 (correct? depending on AFR etc) the 72.5 psi/42gph $227CD pump should be fine right?? My edelbrock proflo 3500 specs 45-50psi. I'm optimistic this pump will be quiet as well. One friend reccomended wrapping it in tape to keep it quiet and prevent rusting. Any comments/ideers on this? Ross Corrigan / Vancouver, Canada Ahh, finished with that inferno of work and returning back to the lifelong ahem, physics experiments :) ) ) mailto:280zx@home.com ICQ # 11549358 http://207.212.212.139/~corrigan/gearheads/pics/wheels/sirbg.jpg where a Z belongs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 10:48:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA26689 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 10:48:36 -0700 Received: from web10303.mail.yahoo.com (web10303.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.81]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA26685 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 10:48:31 -0700 Message-ID: <20010510174830.24166.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.8.17.66] by web10303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 May 2001 10:48:30 PDT Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:48:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Grant Crockett Subject: Re: Manifold Construction To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: <20010510145238.27355.qmail@web6203.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Some more usefull info on this subject: This how-to site shows fiberglass and carbon-fiber intake manifolds as well as a bunch of other cool stuff. http://members.tripod.com/~grannys/backyardhowto.html And this is a diy aircraft site that sells materials like fiberglass, carbon-fiber, and Kevlar. I have ordered from them before, great service. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/main.html --- Jack Doe wrote: > I remember seeing a page where somebody had > constructed a manifold for a subaru single port flat > 4 > (ea81) using carbon fiber with steel lugs on the > intake ports (4130 steel and 1.5" long) for joining > and posibly to eliminate heat. The manifold was for > a > homebuilt aircraft. He had chosen this meathod > because the stock aluminum casting was about 7 lbs. > heavier than it neaded to be. One URL is: > > http://www.interstice.com/~kevinh/soobfaq.html#14.0 > > A common method is to construct a styrofoam mockup > and > lay up the carbon on that then the styrofoam can be > removed with hand tools and gasoline. I think that > I've also heard of using pool acid, maybe that was > to > remove an aluminum lug from a carbon peice though > anyway, good luck. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 11:57:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA27481 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 11:57:43 -0700 Received: from quark.mtco.com (ns4.mtco.com [207.179.200.25]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA27475 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 11:57:35 -0700 From: twsharpe@mtco.com Received: (from www@localhost) by quark.mtco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07282; Thu, 10 May 2001 13:57:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: quark.mtco.com: www set sender to twsharpe@mtco.com using -f To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, Ross Corrigan <280zx@home.com> Subject: Re: some bosch high psi/high vol. pump info Message-ID: <989521057.3afae4a1cd170@webmail.mtco.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:57:37 -0500 (CDT) References: <4.2.0.58.20010510093425.00ada6b0@mail> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010510093425.00ada6b0@mail> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.2 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The stock Edelbrock pump is good for 450 HP but not for 500 HP and is reasonably quiet. You can have mine for $100. Edelbrock uses 24 lb injectors @ 3.5 bar and calls 'em 30 pounders. I tried 36s to get more fuel to a 500 hper and could not lower the regulator or fuel settings enough to get it right. I went to 30s (pretend 36s) at 3.5 bar and things are better but the pump leans out over 5500. I got the big NOS pump - it's a Bosch but I don't have the numbers in front of me. Picture at http://www.mtco.com/~twsharpe/efistuf.htm Tom Quoting Ross Corrigan <280zx@home.com>: > rare day when I can contribute:) > > I figured this info may be of use for others looking to purchase a fuel > pump. I have the tables (some 7-9 pages) of fuel pump info from a > member > here previously but coudn't cross over those PN's with anyone and the OE > > application wasn't always specific so I chased down some Bosch PN/info. > BOSCH TECH US/CANADA 1-800-521-5462 > > I called Bosch and got the psi/gph and PN info below and then pricing is > > CD$'s (/1.55 ~ for US) from a local auto chain > > 43.5 psi at 58 gph 0580 254 909 $210 my cost but not in stock > 72.5 psi 47.5 gph 0580 464 070 $269 my cost, $369 retail > 72.5 psi 42 gph 0580 254 910 $227 in stock and $303 retail > 72.5 psi 33 gph 0580 254 911 didn't ask for $ info > 58 psi at 36.5 gph 0580 464 069 didn't ask for $ info > -all 12mm threads > > My setup won't exceed 450 flywheel hp so I figure using ~.55lbs/hp/hr > =247.5lb fuel/hr. And I forgot to ask Bosch if their gallons were US or > Imperial.....either 6 lb/gal or 7.2 which yields a possible bracket of > 41 > or 34 gph. As all of this is somewhat conservative using .55 (correct? > depending on AFR etc) the 72.5 psi/42gph $227CD pump should be fine > right?? My edelbrock proflo 3500 specs 45-50psi. I'm optimistic this > pump > will be quiet as well. One friend reccomended wrapping it in tape to > keep > it quiet and prevent rusting. Any comments/ideers on this? > > > > Ross Corrigan / Vancouver, Canada > > Ahh, finished with that inferno of work and returning back to the > lifelong > ahem, physics experiments :) ) ) > > mailto:280zx@home.com ICQ # 11549358 > http://207.212.212.139/~corrigan/gearheads/pics/wheels/sirbg.jpg > where a > Z belongs > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 12:22:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA27805 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:22:51 -0700 Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA27801 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:22:45 -0700 Received: from cr857883-a ([24.79.97.14]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010510192239.NUFE24212.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@cr857883-a>; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:22:39 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010510122026.00b39890@mail> X-Sender: 280zx@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:26:31 -0700 To: twsharpe@mtco.com, diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Ross Corrigan <280zx@home.com> Subject: polishing intake runners worthwhile? & bosch high psi/high vol. pump info In-Reply-To: <989521057.3afae4a1cd170@webmail.mtco.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20010510093425.00ada6b0@mail> <4.2.0.58.20010510093425.00ada6b0@mail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks for the offer Tom, with our canuck buck as it is your's would still cost me ~$200+/- to get here so I'll most likely get new for ~$250 total and bosch quality. good info on their injectors, you using GM or SVO ones now? I've also queried to no definite answer other sources on the following. I figure polishing or just 'smoothing' (ie. not getting a full blown polish finish) on the inside of my Victor Jr. runners/EFI intake may 'slightly' enhance airflow by reducing turbulence along the rough 'as is' surface AND reduce the heat the intake radiates to my incoming air keeping it denser and thus more efficient/more power (slight I'd guess but worth a few hours of sanding/burnishing by hand or with an appropriate bit in my die grinder?). comments/ideers? My prior carb setups got pulled/replace fairly often and this new EFI setup I plan on leaving on for a while so looking to do a few more tweaks before it's all bolted on. I also plan to make/buy a simple sheet metal shield for the bottom of the intake to prevent hot oil from splashing directly on it in an effort to keep physical intake temp down. all comments/ideas welcome At 11:57 AM 5/10/01 , twsharpe@mtco.com wrote: >The stock Edelbrock pump is good for 450 HP but not for 500 HP and is >reasonably quiet. You can have mine for $100. Edelbrock uses 24 lb >injectors @ >3.5 bar and calls 'em 30 pounders. I tried 36s to get more fuel to a 500 hper >and could not lower the regulator or fuel settings enough to get it right. I >went to 30s (pretend 36s) at 3.5 bar and things are better but the pump leans >out over 5500. I got the big NOS pump - it's a Bosch but I don't have the >numbers in front of me. > >Picture at http://www.mtco.com/~twsharpe/efistuf.htm > >Tom > >Quoting Ross Corrigan <280zx@home.com>: > > > rare day when I can contribute:) > > > > I figured this info may be of use for others looking to purchase a fuel > > pump. I have the tables (some 7-9 pages) of fuel pump info from a > > member > > here previously but coudn't cross over those PN's with anyone and the OE > > > > application wasn't always specific so I chased down some Bosch PN/info. > > BOSCH TECH US/CANADA 1-800-521-5462 > > > > I called Bosch and got the psi/gph and PN info below and then pricing is > > > > CD$'s (/1.55 ~ for US) from a local auto chain > > > > 43.5 psi at 58 gph 0580 254 909 $210 my cost but not in stock > > 72.5 psi 47.5 gph 0580 464 070 $269 my cost, $369 retail > > 72.5 psi 42 gph 0580 254 910 $227 in stock and $303 retail > > 72.5 psi 33 gph 0580 254 911 didn't ask for $ info > > 58 psi at 36.5 gph 0580 464 069 didn't ask for $ info > > -all 12mm threads > > > > My setup won't exceed 450 flywheel hp so I figure using ~.55lbs/hp/hr > > =247.5lb fuel/hr. And I forgot to ask Bosch if their gallons were US or > > Imperial.....either 6 lb/gal or 7.2 which yields a possible bracket of > > 41 > > or 34 gph. As all of this is somewhat conservative using .55 (correct? > > depending on AFR etc) the 72.5 psi/42gph $227CD pump should be fine > > right?? My edelbrock proflo 3500 specs 45-50psi. I'm optimistic this > > pump > > will be quiet as well. One friend reccomended wrapping it in tape to > > keep > > it quiet and prevent rusting. Any comments/ideers on this? > > > > > > > > Ross Corrigan / Vancouver, Canada > > > > Ahh, finished with that inferno of work and returning back to the > > lifelong > > ahem, physics experiments :) ) ) > > > > mailto:280zx@home.com ICQ # 11549358 > > http://207.212.212.139/~corrigan/gearheads/pics/wheels/sirbg.jpg > > where a > > Z belongs > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > > > Ross Corrigan / Vancouver, Canada Ahh, finished with that inferno of work and returning back to the lifelong ahem, physics experiments :) ) ) mailto:280zx@home.com ICQ # 11549358 http://207.212.212.139/~corrigan/gearheads/pics/wheels/sirbg.jpg where a Z belongs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 10 16:55:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA29026 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:55:44 -0700 Received: from mail.bae.co.uk (mail.bae.co.uk [141.245.40.233]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA29022 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:55:36 -0700 Received: by mail.bae.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA01354; Fri, 11 May 2001 00:59:37 +0100 Received: from unknown (141.245.68.234) by BAe-DMZ via CSC. ID xaih01043; Fri, 11 May 01 00:59:09 +0100 Received: from ngban12.ng.bae.co.uk ([141.245.68.238]) by ngbaux.net.bae.co.uk (PMDF V5.2-33 #44998) with ESMTP id <0GD500CJJ8WAZI@ngbaux.net.bae.co.uk> for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Fri, 11 May 2001 00:50:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from ngbauh.ng.bae.co.uk (unverified) by ngban12.ng.bae.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 00:51:59 +0100 Received: (from x400@localhost) by ngbauh.ng.bae.co.uk (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) id AAA20175 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Fri, 11 May 2001 00:50:36 +0100 (BST) Received: by GOLD 400; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:23:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:23:33 +0000 From: Mike Blakey Subject: Be aware, someone is at it again ! *** A Virus was detected in a message for you *** To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Message-id: <"010510235028Z.WT15629.226*/PN=Mike.Blakey/OU=Technical/OU=NOTES/O=BAe MAA/PRMD=BAE/ADMD=GOLD 400/C=GB/"@MHS> X-Mailer: NetJunction (NetJunction 5.0-p1)/MIME Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org ---------------------- Forwarded by Mike Blakey/Technical/MAA/BAe on 10/05/2001 16: 18 --------------------------- MAILsweeper@INET2 on 09/05/2001 15:10:24 To: Mike Blakey/Technical/MAA/BAe@BAeMAA@wtgw cc: Paper Mail: Subject: *** A Virus was detected in a message for you *** This is an automatic advisory message from the British Aerospace Internet Mail Gateway. The following message has been non-delivered: Dated : "Wed, 9 May 2001 06:23:15 -0700" Entitled: "Snowhite and the Seven Dwarfs - The REAL story!" >From : "diy_efi-owner@hektor.valesh.com" The message was non-delivered because the email or one of the attachments has been detected as having a virus infection. For further information on the virus variant contact "support.openmail@bae.co.uk". This is an automatic message and there is no need to reply. We apologise if this causes you any inconvenience. OpenMail Support Farnborough ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 11 01:16:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA32229 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 11 May 2001 01:16:32 -0700 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA32225 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 01:16:26 -0700 From: GoodwinToo@aol.com Received: from GoodwinToo@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id o.102.2f53f45 (26120) for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 04:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <102.2f53f45.282cf9ba@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 04:15:54 EDT Subject: Re: polishing intake runners worthwhile? & bosch high psi/high vol. pump info To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_102.2f53f45.282cf9ba_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10520 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org --part1_102.2f53f45.282cf9ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as i knew, the intake manifolds are designed to be slightly rough for a purpose(jsut like if you look at and good head work, the combustion chambers look like a mirror , but the intake runners and ports are slightly rough) this is so that when your air and fuel enter the runner, this slight texture creates turbulence which keeps the gas molecules suspended better in the air... gives a more even distribution(or would it be disbursement), and a better mix(for lack of a better term).. which gets more essential the FURTHER the injectors are placed from the head , in the manifold. hope this helps... Tony Blatnica 92 745Ti --part1_102.2f53f45.282cf9ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as i knew, the intake manifolds are designed to be slightly rough for
a purpose(jsut like if you look at and good head work, the combustion
chambers look like a mirror , but the intake runners and ports are slightly
rough)
this is so that when your air and fuel enter the runner, this slight texture
creates turbulence which keeps the gas molecules suspended better in the
air... gives a more even distribution(or would it be disbursement), and a
better mix(for lack of a better term).. which gets more essential the FURTHER
the injectors are placed from the head , in the manifold.

hope this helps...

Tony Blatnica
92 745Ti --part1_102.2f53f45.282cf9ba_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 11 09:09:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA02589 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:09:51 -0700 Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA02585 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:09:45 -0700 Received: (qmail 32470 invoked from network); 11 May 2001 16:09:44 -0000 Received: from bolt.sonic.net (HELO sonic.net) (208.201.224.36) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 11 May 2001 16:09:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (clayb@localhost) by sonic.net (8.11.0/8.7.3) with ESMTP id f4BG8n912070 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:08:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Clay B To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: FS: 500 lb/hr Aeromotive fuel pump In-Reply-To: <200105110800.BAA32034@hektor.valesh.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thought someone on the list might be building a motor large enough to need this pump. I used it for only about 6 hours before deciding to rebuild the engine, and add new turbos. Naturally, I added a couple hundred horsepower, and exceeded the flow capabilities of this pump. This pump is designed for continuous duty (*not* drag race only). Construction quality is excellent, and it is reasonably quiet when mounted on rubber. $200. http://www.aeromotiveinc.com/products/1000hp_pump.shtml - Clay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 11 09:43:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA02964 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:43:48 -0700 Received: from mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.85]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02960 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:43:42 -0700 Received: from cr857883-a ([24.79.97.14]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010511164335.KUMS20687.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@cr857883-a> for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:43:35 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010511094614.00acfa80@mail> X-Sender: 280zx@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:47:30 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Ross Corrigan <280zx@home.com> Subject: Re: polishing intake runners worthwhile? & bosch high psi/high vol. pump info In-Reply-To: <102.2f53f45.282cf9ba@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 01:15 AM 5/11/01 , you wrote: >As far as i knew, the intake manifolds are designed to be slightly rough for >a purpose(jsut like if you look at and good head work, the combustion >chambers look like a mirror , but the intake runners and ports are slightly >rough) >this is so that when your air and fuel enter the runner, this slight texture >creates turbulence which keeps the gas molecules suspended better in the >air... gives a more even distribution(or would it be disbursement), and a >better mix(for lack of a better term).. which gets more essential the FURTHER >the injectors are placed from the head , in the manifold. > >hope this helps... > >Tony Blatnica Thanks Tony, I follow and agree with all you state. These injectors are practically at the end of the runner and shooting fuel at the intake valve...I'd polish most of the length of the runner leaving some near it's exit to the head etc was my thinking. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 11 10:44:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA03439 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:44:14 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f246.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.246]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA03433 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:44:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f246.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.246] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:43:31 -0700 Received: from 151.198.174.132 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 May 2001 17:43:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.198.174.132] From: "justin ivan" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: polishing intake runners worthwhile? & bosch high psi/high vol. pump info Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:43:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2001 17:43:31.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4F84860:01C0DA41] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org If the injectors are spraying on the back of the valve then I would say go ahead and polish the runners to the best of your ability. It certainly won't hurt and could realize a couple of HP. At least you could have a peace of mind knowing that you did all you could in that area, and as you said it should only take a handful of hours. Justin >From: Ross Corrigan <280zx@home.com> >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >Subject: Re: polishing intake runners worthwhile? & bosch high psi/high >vol. pump info >Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:47:30 -0700 > >At 01:15 AM 5/11/01 , you wrote: >>As far as i knew, the intake manifolds are designed to be slightly rough >>for >>a purpose(jsut like if you look at and good head work, the combustion >>chambers look like a mirror , but the intake runners and ports are >>slightly >>rough) >>this is so that when your air and fuel enter the runner, this slight >>texture >>creates turbulence which keeps the gas molecules suspended better in the >>air... gives a more even distribution(or would it be disbursement), and a >>better mix(for lack of a better term).. which gets more essential the >>FURTHER >>the injectors are placed from the head , in the manifold. >> >>hope this helps... >> >>Tony Blatnica > >Thanks Tony, I follow and agree with all you state. These injectors are >practically at the end of the runner and shooting fuel at the intake >valve...I'd polish most of the length of the runner leaving some near it's >exit to the head etc was my thinking. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 11 11:51:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA04025 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 11 May 2001 11:51:15 -0700 Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com ([199.74.158.61]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA04020 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 11:51:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [199.74.158.61] claimed to be mail.verizonwireless.com Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com by mail.verizonwireless.com (414/1100) with ESMTP id f4BIgXa28144 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqbedigwy1.corp.bam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:46:27 -0400 Message-ID: <19D424DA3941D41189DE0008C7EB79DB0152B645@hqbedex3.corp.bam.com> From: "Flanagan, Steve" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: Horsepower calculation Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:50:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does anyone know the best way to calculate the total CFM needed to produce a specific Horsepower? This will be for a boosted (turbo/blower) application. Thanks SF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 11 12:11:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA04300 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 11 May 2001 12:11:14 -0700 Received: from mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.85]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04296 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 12:11:08 -0700 Received: from cs365126a ([24.64.218.157]) by mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010511191102.MCBH20687.mail2.rdc2.bc.home.com@cs365126a> for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 12:11:02 -0700 Message-ID: <019601c0da4e$66255200$9dda4018@gv.shawcable.net> From: "Drax240z" To: References: <19D424DA3941D41189DE0008C7EB79DB0152B645@hqbedex3.corp.bam.com> Subject: Re: Horsepower calculation Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:12:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org There are some good car math websites out there, I've been using the one at: http://www.prestage.com/carmath/ It seems pretty good. Remember that if you are trying to calculate your CFM requirements from displacement, you should increase your effective displacement by a factor of 2, for every 14.7psi of boost you run. A 168ci engine at 14.7psi boost should have the same fuel/air requirements as a 336ci engine at atmospheric conditions. --------------- Does anyone know the best way to calculate the total CFM needed to produce a specific Horsepower? This will be for a boosted (turbo/blower) application. Thanks SF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 11 12:17:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA04379 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 11 May 2001 12:17:49 -0700 Received: from smtp1.home.se (smtphost4.home.se [195.66.35.200]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04369 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 12:17:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host smtphost4.home.se [195.66.35.200] claimed to be smtp1.home.se Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.66.225] by smtp1.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Fri, 11 May 2001 21:13:11 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: Ignition module pinout. Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:19:37 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi, Does anyone have specs for the 1 227 905 100 and similar modules, or does anyone know if they have the same pinout as the 008? Jörgen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 11 13:13:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA05038 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 11 May 2001 13:13:22 -0700 Received: from smtpgw.bnl.gov (mail@smtpgw.bnl.gov [130.199.3.16]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05032 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 13:13:15 -0700 Received: from bnl.gov ([130.199.128.163]) by smtpgw.bnl.gov with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 ) id 14yJHl-0001dd-00 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 16:13:13 -0400 Received: from inst911 (inst911.ags.bnl.gov [130.199.100.93]) by bnl.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA29440 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 16:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010511161305.00b2c770@exchange01.bnl.gov> X-Sender: rschroeder@exchange01.bnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:13:05 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Ron Schroeder Subject: Re: Horsepower calculation In-Reply-To: <19D424DA3941D41189DE0008C7EB79DB0152B645@hqbedex3.corp.bam .com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 02:50 PM 5/11/01 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know the best way to calculate the total CFM needed to produce a >specific Horsepower? > >This will be for a boosted (turbo/blower) application. > >Thanks > >SF About 1.5 to 1.6 CFM per HP is a ballpark figure. Ron Schroeder WD8CDH E. E. S. wd8cdh@bnl.gov rjs@bnl.gov ron@112motors.com 631 344-4561 Day 631 286-5677 Nite ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 11 14:01:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA05589 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:01:06 -0700 Received: from yampa.cmn.net (IDENT:root@mail.cmn.net [206.168.145.15]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA05583 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:00:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host IDENT:root@mail.cmn.net [206.168.145.15] claimed to be yampa.cmn.net Received: from [206.168.145.100] (user126.cmn.net [206.168.145.100]) by yampa.cmn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20790 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:40:45 -0600 X-Sender: bearbvd@mail.cmn.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:01:00 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: bearbvd@cmn.net (Greg Hermann) Subject: Re: Horsepower calculation Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 2:50 PM 5/11/01, Flanagan, Steve wrote: >Does anyone know the best way to calculate the total CFM needed to produce a >specific Horsepower? > >This will be for a boosted (turbo/blower) application. > >Thanks > >SF It takes about 1.5 cfm of stp air to make 1 HP. (.1 to .11 lbs. per minute of air.) Greg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 14 02:47:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA28458 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 02:47:00 -0700 Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA28445 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 02:46:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cruzers.com [205.215.232.2] claimed to be blackie.cruzers.com Received: from cruzers.com (robbie-154.cruzers.com [209.165.194.154]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA27924 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 02:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AFFB4FD.18A9E1A3@cruzers.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 02:35:47 -0800 From: Ludis Langens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: polishing intake runners worthwhile? & bosch high psi/highvol. pump info References: <4.2.0.58.20010510093425.00ada6b0@mail> <4.2.0.58.20010510093425.00ada6b0@mail> <4.2.0.58.20010510122026.00b39890@mail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Ross Corrigan wrote: > > I've also queried to no definite answer other sources on the following. I > figure polishing or just 'smoothing' (ie. not getting a full blown polish > finish) on the inside of my Victor Jr. runners/EFI intake may 'slightly' > enhance airflow by reducing turbulence along the rough 'as is' surface AND > reduce the heat the intake radiates to my incoming air keeping it denser > and thus more efficient/more power (slight I'd guess but worth a few hours > of sanding/burnishing by hand or with an appropriate bit in my die > grinder?). comments/ideers? Books that I've read say that the turbulence _increases_ airflow - something about a smooth surface causes lamular flow along the surfaces (with a dead spot in middle of the runner), while a rough surface causes the whole runner cross section to be used. -- Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 14 03:26:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA29022 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 03:26:56 -0700 Received: from amislave.carrott.org (port55-103-65.jetstart.win.co.nz [210.55.103.65]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA29018 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 03:26:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host port55-103-65.jetstart.win.co.nz [210.55.103.65] claimed to be amislave.carrott.org Received: from ppc.carrott.org ([192.168.2.2] ident=user) by amislave.carrott.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14zFYg-0007aR-00 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 22:26:34 +1200 Date: 14 May 2001 22:26:28 +1200 From: "Tom Parker" Subject: Re: polishing intake runners worthwhile? & bosch high psi/highvol. pump info To: "Ludis Langens" In-Reply-To: <3AFFB4FD.18A9E1A3@cruzers.com> Message-ID: <836.534T1400T13463291tom@carrott.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: THOR 2.6a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Ludis Langens wrote: >Books that I've read say that the turbulence _increases_ airflow - >something about a smooth surface causes lamular flow along the surfaces >(with a dead spot in middle of the runner), while a rough surface causes >the whole runner cross section to be used. This is quite wrong. The reduction in flow due to turbulance is quite dramatic, especially in very small tubes where I have practical experiance. I have no idea what sort of difference it makes in automotive applications. Perhaps you are thinking of mixing? When you want homogeneous mixture at the other end then you want turbulance. Or are you thinking of heat transfer? You want the flow in the middle of the tube to reach the edges and turbulance helps a lot. -- Tom Parker - tom@carrott.org - http://www.carrott.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 14 05:10:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA29412 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 05:10:03 -0700 Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com [149.174.206.155]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA29403 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 05:09:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com [149.174.206.155] claimed to be spdmraab.compuserve.com Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id IAA15434 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Mon, 14 May 2001 08:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HOMEXXL (fra-pci-lak-vty123.as.wcom.net [212.211.74.123]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with SMTP id IAA15409 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 08:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003601c0dc6e$38674860$7b4ad3d4@HOMEXXL> From: "Axel Rietschin" To: References: <836.534T1400T13463291tom@carrott.org> Subject: Re: polishing intake runners worthwhile? Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:05:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Tom Parker" > Ludis Langens wrote: > > >Books that I've read say that the turbulence _increases_ airflow - > >something about a smooth surface causes lamular flow along the surfaces > >(with a dead spot in middle of the runner), while a rough surface causes > >the whole runner cross section to be used. > > This is quite wrong. The reduction in flow due to turbulance is quite > dramatic, especially in very small tubes where I have practical experiance. I > have no idea what sort of difference it makes in automotive applications. There is maybe some sort of relation between the tube diameter, fluid viscosity and speed, and wall roughness? I've seen a World Rally Car intake manifold (on a Cosworth YB engine built by Mountune Racing for Ford official entries in the world championship) and it was *not* mirror-polished. Some engine builders ( like www.pumaracing.co.uk/head01.htm ) say polishing the intake and exhaust ports is a complete waste of time. -Axel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 14 05:56:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA29678 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 05:56:05 -0700 Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.69]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA29674 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 05:55:59 -0700 From: akallotte@juno.com Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"g0vRWKDOcSM2CGbQB/QsVtNdsJE1RW9Zhmyx/VXCEff2R7IkittcvA=="> Received: (from akallotte@juno.com) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F5ECRM25; Mon, 14 May 2001 08:55:39 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:45:25 -0400 Subject: Re: polishing intake runners worthwhile? & bosch high psi/highvol. pump info Message-ID: <20010514.084657.-372679.0.akallotte@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-17 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm glad someone else backs up what we've seen on the flow bench. Super polished parts lead to weird turbulence (backwards flowing boudry layers) and less flow. On Mon, 14 May 2001 02:35:47 -0800 Ludis Langens writes: > > Books that I've read say that the turbulence _increases_ airflow - > something about a smooth surface causes lamular flow along the > surfaces > (with a dead spot in middle of the runner), while a rough surface > causes > the whole runner cross section to be used. > > -- > Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) > com > Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: > http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 14 18:19:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA02931 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:19:31 -0700 Received: from femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.85]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA02927 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:19:25 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.251.251.194]) by femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010515011924.VBLJ11650.femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:19:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3B008434.D0E51A63@home.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:19:48 -0400 From: Rob O X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: polishing intake runners worthwhile? & bosch high psi/highvol. pump info References: <20010514.084657.-372679.0.akallotte@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >From everything I have read, a slightly rough (finished with 80-120 grit) surface will provide the best flow. Too slick creates a thick boundary layer, too rough and you get major turbulence. Either way you lose potential flow Rob_O akallotte@juno.com wrote: > > I'm glad someone else backs up what we've seen on the flow bench. Super > polished parts lead to weird turbulence (backwards flowing boudry layers) > and less flow. > > On Mon, 14 May 2001 02:35:47 -0800 Ludis Langens > writes: > > > > Books that I've read say that the turbulence _increases_ airflow - > > something about a smooth surface causes lamular flow along the > > surfaces > > (with a dead spot in middle of the runner), while a rough surface > > causes > > the whole runner cross section to be used. > > > > -- > > Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) > > com > > Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: > > http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 14 18:52:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA03425 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:52:06 -0700 Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA03414 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:51:54 -0700 Received: from CHAMELEON (216-99-207-210.cust.aracnet.com [216.99.207.210]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f4F1prA26228 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:51:53 -0700 From: "Seth Bibler" To: Subject: RE: polishing intake runners worthwhile? & bosch high psi/highvol. pump info Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:51:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B008434.D0E51A63@home.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > >From everything I have read, a slightly rough (finished with 80-120 > grit) surface will provide the best flow. Too slick creates a thick > boundary layer, too rough and you get major turbulence. Either way you > lose potential flow I agree about this and have read the same. Think of the golf ball. Why all the dimples instead of a perfectly round ball? The dimples help create a boundry layer that allows the ball to fly further. Sort of like ball bearings in the air. The same holds true inside an intake manifold. Seth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 14 20:03:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA04071 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 20:03:39 -0700 Received: from mail-ns00s0.ns.sympatico.ca (jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA04067 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 20:03:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.6] claimed to be mail-ns00s0.ns.sympatico.ca Received: from hostname ([142.177.65.34]) by mail-ns00s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with SMTP id ca for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 00:02:49 -0300 Message-ID: <001501c0dceb$8d6f97e0$db2ce2d1@expressvu.ca> From: krichar@ns.sympatico.ca (Ken Richardson) To: Subject: 1989 GMC Sierra Engine Swap - 5.0L to 5.7L Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:02:59 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I recently swapped out the 5.0L in my 1989 GMC Sierra K1500 for a rebuilt 1993 5.7L engine. I'm still using the 5.0L ECM and PROM and it's not working too badly, but it's not perfect. I would like to burn an EPROM from a 5.7L image and maybe do a little tweaking. My problem is I'm not sure what broadcast code to start with. Can someone get me started by pointing me to some good working 5.7L PROM images for a 1989 to 1991 GMC Sierra K1500 automatic? FYI, my ECM is a 1227747, broadcast code AKTR, PROM ID on a scan tool is 4271. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Ken R. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 14 21:47:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA04790 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 21:47:45 -0700 Received: from chvpk-wss1.sr.chevron.com (cppat2.chevron.com [208.33.240.21]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id VAA04786 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 21:47:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cppat2.chevron.com [208.33.240.21] claimed to be chvpk-wss1.sr.chevron.com X-Server-Uuid: 26fe3e76-19dd-11d3-be09-0008c7b1f151 Message-ID: <5AB456BD8DF8D211815100805F1596BB045AA0DE@chevron.com> From: "Wilkie, Johnson (WLKJ)" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: Display Language Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:39:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-WSS-ID: 171E6B41353871-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I own a 1989 BMW 525i, E34, from Germany. the display on the dash is in German. Is it possible to change the language to English? Do I need to change the ECU or ... I 'm new to EFI engines. Please help any body. W J ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 14 21:49:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA04804 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 21:49:15 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA04800 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 21:49:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 00:49:08 -0400 Received: from [206.15.142.28] by grolen.com id 63a0.wrk; Tue, 15 May 2001 00:49:54 EDT Message-ID: <3B00B51D.253943BC@grolen.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:48:29 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: 1989 GMC Sierra Engine Swap - 5.0L to 5.7L References: <001501c0dceb$8d6f97e0$db2ce2d1@expressvu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi, Ken. Are you still using 305 injectors on the 350? If so, a stock 350 calibration will not work. ASDU and ANLW are calibrations for that vehicle. ANLW was replaced by ASDU due to code 32 and/or code 45 setting with no apparent problems. This may mean the replacement calibration is essenntially the same but has these trouble codes disabled. Shannen Ken Richardson wrote: > > I recently swapped out the 5.0L in my 1989 GMC Sierra K1500 for a rebuilt > 1993 5.7L engine. I'm still using the 5.0L ECM and PROM and it's not working > too badly, but it's not perfect. I would like to burn an EPROM from a 5.7L > image and maybe do a little tweaking. My problem is I'm not sure what > broadcast code to start with. Can someone get me started by pointing me to > some good working 5.7L PROM images for a 1989 to 1991 GMC Sierra K1500 > automatic? > > FYI, my ECM is a 1227747, broadcast code AKTR, PROM ID on a scan tool is > 4271. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Ken R. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon May 14 23:34:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA05754 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 14 May 2001 23:34:27 -0700 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA05746 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 23:34:19 -0700 Received: from sacnt01pdc01 (sdn-ar-003carcorP292.dialsprint.net [168.191.207.158]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA20277 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 23:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "lance" To: Subject: RE: polishing intake runners worthwhile? Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:36:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 In-Reply-To: <003601c0dc6e$38674860$7b4ad3d4@HOMEXXL> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org There is one advantage. Anybody ever cleaned up a mirror polished exhaust port? You can get it perfectly clean with a small shot of carburetor cleaner and a soft brush. Same is true of Cosworth piston crowns (and they are mirror polished from Cosworth). But I have never polished an intake or exhaust because the flow bench doesn't lie, I've never seen better than a 100 grit cartridge roll on a 24,000 rpm die grinder. Lance -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Axel Rietschin Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:06 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: polishing intake runners worthwhile? From: "Tom Parker" > Ludis Langens wrote: > > >Books that I've read say that the turbulence _increases_ airflow - > >something about a smooth surface causes lamular flow along the surfaces > >(with a dead spot in middle of the runner), while a rough surface causes > >the whole runner cross section to be used. > > This is quite wrong. The reduction in flow due to turbulance is quite > dramatic, especially in very small tubes where I have practical experiance. I > have no idea what sort of difference it makes in automotive applications. There is maybe some sort of relation between the tube diameter, fluid viscosity and speed, and wall roughness? I've seen a World Rally Car intake manifold (on a Cosworth YB engine built by Mountune Racing for Ford official entries in the world championship) and it was *not* mirror-polished. Some engine builders ( like www.pumaracing.co.uk/head01.htm ) say polishing the intake and exhaust ports is a complete waste of time. -Axel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 15 01:42:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA06484 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 15 May 2001 01:42:11 -0700 Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA06480 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 01:42:04 -0700 From: ABNENGINEERING@cs.com Received: from ABNENGINEERING@cs.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id o.b9.e2d7de6 (9613) for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 04:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 04:41:27 EDT Subject: Holley Commander 950 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b9.e2d7de6.283245b7_boundary" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 352 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org --part1_b9.e2d7de6.283245b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my never ending quest to upgrade my Mustang I have been searching for the perfect EFI solution. I have looked at transplanting a stock 5.0 EFI, looked at the as yet unavailable multiport EFI from Edelbrock and now I am investigating the Holley Commander 950 setup. The Commander 950 system consists of an updated Pro-Jection throttle body and an all new fully programable ECU. You have complete control over both the fuel map and spark curve and can run in open loop or closed loop modes. It looks like a nice little setup and at $1300 is about $800 cheaper then the Edelbrock MPI system which will not be available until Fall. It's also not THAT much more than the stock 5.0 EFI by the time you buy the EFI donor gear, wiring harness ($500 from Windsor-Fox??!), fuel pump etc. More info on the Holley system can be found at http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/C950/C950TB/C950TB.html Does anyone have any first hand experience with this system or know where one might find an objective opinion on it? Thanks --part1_b9.e2d7de6.283245b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my never ending quest to upgrade my Mustang I have been searching for the
perfect EFI solution. I have looked at transplanting a stock 5.0 EFI, looked
at the as yet unavailable multiport EFI from Edelbrock and now I am
investigating the Holley Commander 950 setup.

The Commander 950 system consists of an updated Pro-Jection throttle body and
an all new fully programable ECU. You have complete control over both the
fuel map and spark curve and can run in open loop or closed loop modes.

It looks like a nice little setup and at $1300 is about $800 cheaper then the
Edelbrock MPI system which will not be available until Fall. It's also not
THAT much more than the stock 5.0 EFI by the time you buy the EFI donor gear,
wiring harness ($500 from Windsor-Fox??!), fuel pump etc.

More info on the Holley system can be found at
http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/C950/C950TB/C950TB.html

Does anyone have any first hand experience with this system or know where one
might find an objective opinion on it?

Thanks


--part1_b9.e2d7de6.283245b7_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 15 02:17:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA06801 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 15 May 2001 02:17:09 -0700 Received: from web10006.mail.yahoo.com (web10006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.42]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id CAA06797 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 02:16:57 -0700 Message-ID: <20010515091653.89362.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.205.123.3] by web10006.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 May 2001 10:16:53 BST Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:16:53 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dave=20Edge?= Subject: Turbo Imp - Surge tank advice? To: DIY_EFI@lists.diy-efi.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi All, Just a quick note to all out there by way of introduction. I own a 1969 Sunbeam Stiletto (Hillman Imp by any other name) which has a 930 na engine fitted. The aim of the project is to produce a reliable 130bhp, more importantly I want 80lbs+ of torque. To do this I need to install a Renault 5 Garrett T2 turbo and of course to do that, I need EFI. I have all the bits for the turbo from ss manifold to intercooler. I bought an aftermarket ECU from www.perfectpower.com and then my difficulties started. It's supposed to be a basic system repsonding to engine temp, MAP, throttle, electronic points, single coil firing, control of two banks of injectors. The ECU itself suffers from interference and refuses to fire consistently, flames have been spotted out the back when running. Basically the only reason the engine runs at all is that the coil fires virtually all the time and the rotor arm points the spark to ROUGHLY the right plug. Same result in my girlfriend's Nissan Micra so the ECU has gone back to SA for replacement(which they are very happy to do - phew). In the meantime, my main problem is that of fuel supply. I have a 60psi fuel pump from a Ford Fiesta XR2i, any ideas on surge tank location(are they even necessary) given my front petrol tank / rear engine setup. a) Surge tank high in the wing above the engine and use the old mechanical pump to fill it. b) Surge tank below existing fuel tank gravity fed and pressurise the line along the car c) just fit the thing in my fuel tank and wait for surge round corners. Cheers Dave ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 15 04:00:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA07290 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 15 May 2001 04:00:23 -0700 Received: from ns1.rfci.net (root@ns1.rfci.net [206.139.76.1]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA07279 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 03:59:51 -0700 Received: from rhyce (pm4-port131.rfci.net [206.137.39.131]) by ns1.rfci.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA12105 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 06:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012a01c0dd2e$1cbc23e0$832789ce@rhyce> From: "Nitetrain" To: References: <20010515091653.89362.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Turbo Imp - Surge tank advice? Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:59:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Every reliable setup that I've seen has a surge tank filled by a low pressure pump,with a high pressure pump running from the surge tank to the fuel rail and/or injectors. Nitetrain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Edge" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:16 AM Subject: Turbo Imp - Surge tank advice? > Hi All, > > Just a quick note to all out there by way of > introduction. I own a 1969 Sunbeam Stiletto (Hillman > Imp by any other name) which has a 930 na engine > fitted. The aim of the project is to produce a > reliable 130bhp, more importantly I want 80lbs+ of > torque. To do this I need to install a Renault 5 > Garrett T2 turbo and of course to do that, I need EFI. > I have all the bits for the turbo from ss manifold to > intercooler. I bought an aftermarket ECU from > www.perfectpower.com and then my difficulties started. > It's supposed to be a basic system repsonding to > engine temp, MAP, throttle, electronic points, single > coil firing, control of two banks of injectors. The > ECU itself suffers from interference and refuses to > fire consistently, flames have been spotted out the > back when running. Basically the only reason the > engine runs at all is that the coil fires virtually > all the time and the rotor arm points the spark to > ROUGHLY the right plug. Same result in my girlfriend's > Nissan Micra so the ECU has gone back to SA for > replacement(which they are very happy to do - phew). > > In the meantime, my main problem is that of fuel > supply. I have a 60psi fuel pump from a Ford Fiesta > XR2i, any ideas on surge tank location(are they even > necessary) given my front petrol tank / rear engine > setup. > > a) Surge tank high in the wing above the engine and > use the old mechanical pump to fill it. > > b) Surge tank below existing fuel tank gravity fed and > pressurise the line along the car > > c) just fit the thing in my fuel tank and wait for > surge round corners. > > Cheers > Dave > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 15 04:11:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA07356 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 15 May 2001 04:11:48 -0700 Received: from mail-ns00s0.ns.sympatico.ca (jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA07352 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 04:11:31 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.6] claimed to be mail-ns00s0.ns.sympatico.ca Received: from hostname ([142.177.105.8]) by mail-ns00s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with SMTP id ca for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 08:10:22 -0300 Message-ID: <000b01c0dd2f$a9fff820$db2ce2d1@expressvu.ca> From: krichar@ns.sympatico.ca (Ken Richardson) To: References: <001501c0dceb$8d6f97e0$db2ce2d1@expressvu.ca> <3B00B51D.253943BC@grolen.com> Subject: Re: 1989 GMC Sierra Engine Swap - 5.0L to 5.7L Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:10:33 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Shannen, Yes, I'm still using the 305 injectors. Are there any other differences other than the injectors that you know of? I know the knock sensor is different so I did purchase a new 350 knock sensor. If I don't change the injectors would I be better off sticking with the 305 EPROM or switching to an ASDU EPROM? Thanks Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannen Durphey" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:48 AM Subject: Re: 1989 GMC Sierra Engine Swap - 5.0L to 5.7L > Hi, Ken. > > Are you still using 305 injectors on the 350? If so, a stock 350 calibration will > not work. > > ASDU and ANLW are calibrations for that vehicle. ANLW was replaced by ASDU due to > code 32 and/or code 45 setting with no apparent problems. This may mean the > replacement calibration is essenntially the same but has these trouble codes > disabled. > > Shannen > > Ken Richardson wrote: > > > > I recently swapped out the 5.0L in my 1989 GMC Sierra K1500 for a rebuilt > > 1993 5.7L engine. I'm still using the 5.0L ECM and PROM and it's not working > > too badly, but it's not perfect. I would like to burn an EPROM from a 5.7L > > image and maybe do a little tweaking. My problem is I'm not sure what > > broadcast code to start with. Can someone get me started by pointing me to > > some good working 5.7L PROM images for a 1989 to 1991 GMC Sierra K1500 > > automatic? > > > > FYI, my ECM is a 1227747, broadcast code AKTR, PROM ID on a scan tool is > > 4271. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Ken R. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 15 05:25:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA07730 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 15 May 2001 05:25:56 -0700 Received: from mail47.fg.online.no (mail47-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.47]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA07726 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 05:25:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mail47-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.47] claimed to be mail47.fg.online.no Received: from siemens-nixdorf (ti41a02-0133.dialup.online.no [130.67.133.133]) by mail47.fg.online.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25426 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 14:25:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 15 May 2001 14:13:19 +0200 Message-ID: <01C0DD49.313853A0.mwichstr@online.no> From: espen hilde To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: SV: Turbo Imp - Surge tank advice? Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:13:10 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft-program for e-post for Internett/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi! We have allmost the same car! I have a 69 NSU 1000TT with 1850cc VW (NSU)K70 engine with a T3 size turbo and dellorto turbo carb. I build this car in mid 80 s I would love to change to efi to get better milage and power.The most important thing is to have the right ignition timing curve,thats difficoult with the mecanical system .If I was going to do it I would use 332 efi or Autronics ecu,Turbo chargeing have different demands on the ecu /software than a nat and not every ecu is prepared even if they say it will work.Peek and hold injectors,or stagered saturated,sequential to use less fuel when the boost pressure is higher than exhaust bacpressure,sequential for one long injecting period is easier to controll with presition than 2 short,(idle)less ignition advance under hard accleration because a spooling up turbine is creating a higher backpressure=higher temp combustion ,more prone to detonations. What controls the airflow trou the engine is the efficiency of the turbo and the steeply rising backpressure at high rpms ,what you are doing is to map the ecu against the backpressure with the inlet pressure as a assumtion of what the backpressure is.... I dont know what your ecu s features and capabilitys are and your hp aim could maybe be reached with not that high pressure. I cut my fuel tank to make room for the battery in front of the car, I just welded a hose outlet in the buttom for the K-jet fuel fuelpump that sits under the car.......dam your right ,(thinking while I write.....) I have not experianced any fuel starvation in the corners but maybe thats just because I have the carb bowl as a reservoir.... be prepared for some fun with your little car ! My eats BMWs and Porches for lunch and AC Cobras for dinner Thanks Espen Dave Edge [SMTP:edgedj@yahoo.com] skrev 15. mai 2001 11:17: > Hi All, > > Just a quick note to all out there by way of > introduction. I own a 1969 Sunbeam Stiletto (Hillman > Imp by any other name) which has a 930 na engine > fitted. The aim of the project is to produce a > reliable 130bhp, more importantly I want 80lbs+ of > torque. To do this I need to install a Renault 5 > Garrett T2 turbo and of course to do that, I need EFI. > I have all the bits for the turbo from ss manifold to > intercooler. I bought an aftermarket ECU from > www.perfectpower.com and then my difficulties started. > It's supposed to be a basic system repsonding to > engine temp, MAP, throttle, electronic points, single > coil firing, control of two banks of injectors. The > ECU itself suffers from interference and refuses to > fire consistently, flames have been spotted out the > back when running. Basically the only reason the > engine runs at all is that the coil fires virtually > all the time and the rotor arm points the spark to > ROUGHLY the right plug. Same result in my girlfriend's > Nissan Micra so the ECU has gone back to SA for > replacement(which they are very happy to do - phew). > > In the meantime, my main problem is that of fuel > supply. I have a 60psi fuel pump from a Ford Fiesta > XR2i, any ideas on surge tank location(are they even > necessary) given my front petrol tank / rear engine > setup. > > a) Surge tank high in the wing above the engine and > use the old mechanical pump to fill it. Be careful that the old pump can deliver enough fuel for the engine. best I think. > b) Surge tank below existing fuel tank gravity fed and > pressurise the line along the car > > c) just fit the thing in my fuel tank and wait for > surge round corners. > > Cheers > Dave > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 15 06:50:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA08438 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 15 May 2001 06:50:08 -0700 Received: from web10008.mail.yahoo.com (web10008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.44]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id GAA08426 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 06:49:56 -0700 Message-ID: <20010515134951.63582.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.205.123.3] by web10008.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 15 May 2001 14:49:51 BST Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:49:51 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dave=20Edge?= Subject: Re: SV: Turbo Imp - Surge tank advice? To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: <01C0DD49.313853A0.mwichstr@online.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org My idea is to have a bulb in the gravity feed line at the front, leading down to the pump. This should eliminate any surge, unless the corner goes on long enough to use all the fuel in the bulb. Surge tank would be best though I think, especially as the fiesta fuel pump has a large flange on the top with two pipes coming from it - one for fuel out under pressure, the other for low pressure return. Ideally the surge tank will have a float on the top to shut a valve preventing further ingress of petrol. Maybe this is overkill but I like the sound of it. looking forward to eating BMWs for lunch :-) Dave --- espen hilde wrote: > Hi! > We have allmost the same car! I have a 69 NSU 1000TT > with 1850cc VW > (NSU)K70 engine with a T3 size turbo and dellorto > turbo carb. > I build this car in mid 80 s I would love to change > to efi to get better > milage and power.The most important thing is to have > the right ignition > timing curve,thats difficoult with the mecanical > system .If I was going to > do it I would use 332 efi or > Autronics ecu,Turbo chargeing have different demands > on the ecu /software > than a nat and not every ecu is prepared even if > they say it will work.Peek > and hold injectors,or stagered saturated,sequential > to use less fuel when > the boost pressure is higher than exhaust > bacpressure,sequential for one > long injecting period is easier to controll with > presition than 2 > short,(idle)less ignition advance under hard > accleration because a spooling > up turbine is creating a higher backpressure=higher > temp combustion ,more > prone to detonations. What controls the airflow trou > the engine is the > efficiency of the turbo and the steeply rising > backpressure at high rpms > ,what you are doing is to map the ecu against the > backpressure with the > inlet pressure as a assumtion of what the > backpressure is.... > I dont know what your ecu s features and > capabilitys are and your hp aim > could maybe be reached with not that high pressure. > I cut my fuel tank to make room for the battery in > front of the car, I just > welded a hose outlet in the buttom for the K-jet > fuel fuelpump > that sits under the car.......dam your right > ,(thinking while I write.....) > I have not experianced any fuel starvation in the > corners but maybe thats > just because I have the carb bowl as a reservoir.... > be prepared for some fun with your little car ! My > eats BMWs and Porches > for lunch and AC Cobras for dinner > Thanks > Espen > Dave Edge [SMTP:edgedj@yahoo.com] skrev 15. mai 2001 > 11:17: > > Hi All, > > > > Just a quick note to all out there by way of > > introduction. I own a 1969 Sunbeam Stiletto > (Hillman > > Imp by any other name) which has a 930 na engine > > fitted. The aim of the project is to produce a > > reliable 130bhp, more importantly I want 80lbs+ of > > torque. To do this I need to install a Renault 5 > > Garrett T2 turbo and of course to do that, I need > EFI. > > I have all the bits for the turbo from ss manifold > to > > intercooler. I bought an aftermarket ECU from > > www.perfectpower.com and then my difficulties > started. > > It's supposed to be a basic system repsonding to > > engine temp, MAP, throttle, electronic points, > single > > coil firing, control of two banks of injectors. > The > > ECU itself suffers from interference and refuses > to > > fire consistently, flames have been spotted out > the > > back when running. Basically the only reason the > > engine runs at all is that the coil fires > virtually > > all the time and the rotor arm points the spark to > > ROUGHLY the right plug. Same result in my > girlfriend's > > Nissan Micra so the ECU has gone back to SA for > > replacement(which they are very happy to do - > phew). > > > > In the meantime, my main problem is that of fuel > > supply. I have a 60psi fuel pump from a Ford > Fiesta > > XR2i, any ideas on surge tank location(are they > even > > necessary) given my front petrol tank / rear > engine > > setup. > > > > a) Surge tank high in the wing above the engine > and > > use the old mechanical pump to fill it. > Be careful that the old pump can deliver enough fuel > for the engine. > best I think. > > b) Surge tank below existing fuel tank gravity fed > and > > pressurise the line along the car > > > > c) just fit the thing in my fuel tank and wait for > > surge round corners. > > > > Cheers > > Dave > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at > http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at > http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe > diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe > diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 15 08:38:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA09202 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 15 May 2001 08:38:24 -0700 Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA09198; Tue, 15 May 2001 08:38:18 -0700 From: ECMnut@aol.com Received: from ECMnut@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id o.9f.15556dcf (25305); Tue, 15 May 2001 11:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9f.15556dcf.2832a749@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:37:45 EDT Subject: News from Bruce To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi@diy-efi.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Opened this this morning: A FEW MORE DAYS YET. 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NO REPLY NESECCARY Things are well, hope to be home Thur or so Please post that I'm fine to the gmecm and DIY lists since I'mm still here Hope things are well there, writting an interesting doc here for efi L8r Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue May 15 18:31:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA12297 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 15 May 2001 18:31:38 -0700 Received: from mailhost.fotowire.com (www.fotowire.com [164.128.77.42]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA12292 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 18:31:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host www.fotowire.com [164.128.77.42] claimed to be mailhost.fotowire.com Received: from xxl [212.47.181.19] by mailhost.fotowire.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A86F8B00CE; Wed, 16 May 2001 01:31:27 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c0dda7$eda033b0$1401a8c0@gva.fotowire.com> From: "Axel Rietschin" To: References: <20010515134951.63582.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Bosch Ignition Modules Pinout Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 03:31:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bosch 0277 100 124 1) COIL (-) 2) GND 3) -SIG (nc) 4) +IGN (V+) 5) +SIG (from ecu) 6) nc 7) nc Bosch 1227 022 008 1) COIL (-) 2) GND 3) -SEN (nc) 4) +IGN (V+) 5) +SEN (nc) 6) SIG (from ecu) 7) TAC (to tacho) Coil has V+ on one side and pin (1) on the other side. HTH, Axel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 16 08:28:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA16079 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 08:28:21 -0700 Received: from smtp1.home.se (smtphost4.home.se [195.66.35.200]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA16075 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 08:28:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host smtphost4.home.se [195.66.35.200] claimed to be smtp1.home.se Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.65.27] by smtp2.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:24:49 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: Bosch Ignition Modules Pinout Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:31:27 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-reply-To: <000b01c0dda7$eda033b0$1401a8c0@gva.fotowire.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks, I feel a lot safer now. Jörgen > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Axel Rietschin > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:31 AM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Bosch Ignition Modules Pinout > > > Bosch 0277 100 124 > > 1) COIL (-) > 2) GND > 3) -SIG (nc) > 4) +IGN (V+) > 5) +SIG (from ecu) > 6) nc > 7) nc > > Bosch 1227 022 008 > > 1) COIL (-) > 2) GND > 3) -SEN (nc) > 4) +IGN (V+) > 5) +SEN (nc) > 6) SIG (from ecu) > 7) TAC (to tacho) > > Coil has V+ on one side and pin (1) on the other side. > > HTH, > Axel > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without > the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 16 15:39:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA19909 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:39:57 -0700 Received: from rubens.artisan.calpoly.edu (root@rubens.artisan.calpoly.edu [129.65.60.41]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA19905 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:39:50 -0700 Received: from al (modem56-3-068.offcampus.calpoly.edu [129.65.106.68]) by rubens.artisan.calpoly.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA18035; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:39:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Al Lipper" To: , "DIY_EFI" Subject: RE: About softwares for ECU7 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:48:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000f01c0ddd9$07e0f940$33b49cc3@pelara-1> Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Tomi, I hope you made the corrections to the PCB that are mentioned in the description. Otherwise the injector driver and IAC motor won't work. You can use just about any version of Philips 87C552 (like the P87C552-SBAA). It does not matter if it has OTP or not - this circuit doesn't use it. Thre are a number of companies that make compatible flash memory. Just make sure that it is equivalent to the Atmel type. You should have three intel HEX files to burn into the flash memory: 1)EFI0x.HEX (Assembled version of EFI0x.ASM) 2)LTABLE1.HEX (Generated by Excel) 3)ECU7.HEX (Compiled version of ECU7.BAS). These are arranged so they do not overlap (all assume a base address/offset of zero). You can just load them into a device programmer all at once and program the flash memory. Al Lipper > -----Original Message----- > From: raili.pelander@pp.inet.fi [mailto:raili.pelander@pp.inet.fi] > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 12:23 AM > To: efi@cardozo.org > Subject: Vs: About softwares for ECU7 > > > Hi Al > > There is still some questions. > > What are that Microcontroller wersions that i can use? > > Can i use other flash memory? > > Files are there , but i'm not sure what files goes where( for > example what file i load to flash memory) > > I'm still build that printed circuit board. I think that takes time. > > Very best regards > > Tomi Pelander > > > > >Tomi, > > Did you try going to http://members.aol.com/ALIPPER/ to get to > the web site > >with the ECU7 files? I tested it, and they should be there. > Please let me > >know. > > > >How is your EFI project going? Sorry for taking so long to get > back to you. > > > > Al > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: raili.pelander@pp.inet.fi [mailto:raili.pelander@pp.inet.fi] > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 8:59 AM > >> To: al@cardozo.org > >> Subject: About softwares for ECU7 > >> > >> > >> Hi Al > >> > >> In ecu7.zip files are no any software files. > >> > >> Have you try some working version, where is correct > >> files. > >> > >> Or try i those files that are listed in readme7 files. > >> (ASM51.ZIP,EFI02.ASM,FLOAD.ASM,ECU6.BAS) > >> > >> If you have correct files could you send those for me? > >> > >> Best Regards > >> Tomi Pelander > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 16 17:24:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA20773 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:24:08 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA20765 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:24:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 20:24:02 -0400 Received: from [206.15.143.226] by grolen.com id a3160.wrk; Wed, 16 May 2001 20:24:44 EDT Message-ID: <3B0319F6.7B67065A@grolen.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 20:23:18 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "diy_efi@diy-efi.org" Subject: Site to visit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org http://www.kalecoauto.com/ Interesting stuff. Some descriptions are not too technically accurate. Shannen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 16 18:09:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA21015 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 18:09:34 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21011 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 18:09:19 -0700 Received: from [216.107.54.21] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 13889900 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 16 May 2001 21:09:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3B0324CE.B232C53E@nni.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:09:34 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Site to visit References: <3B0319F6.7B67065A@grolen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I need to get a set of the piston return springs. Mine are probably quite worn out by now. I can feel the pistons weighing down the front end every time I rev it up! BobR. Shannen Durphey wrote: > http://www.kalecoauto.com/ > > Interesting stuff. Some descriptions are not too technically accurate. > > Shannen > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 16 19:05:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA21353 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 19:05:56 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA21349 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 19:05:49 -0700 Received: from brucescompute ([209.143.37.72]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010517020547.OHMR23469.invictus@brucescompute> for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 22:05:47 -0400 Message-ID: <044101c0de76$05346180$48258fd1@brucescompute> From: "Bruce Plecan" To: References: <3B0319F6.7B67065A@grolen.com> <3B0324CE.B232C53E@nni.com> Subject: Re: Site to visit Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:06:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm going for the hollow plug wires Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "rr" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Site to visit > > I need to get a set of the piston return springs. Mine are probably > quite worn out by now. I can feel the pistons weighing down the > front end every time I rev it up! > > BobR. > > > Shannen Durphey wrote: > > > http://www.kalecoauto.com/ > > > > Interesting stuff. Some descriptions are not too technically accurate. > > > > Shannen > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed May 16 19:36:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA21659 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 16 May 2001 19:36:56 -0700 Received: from mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (ha2.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au [203.164.2.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA21655 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 19:36:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host ha2.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au [203.164.2.51] claimed to be mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au Received: from optushome.com.au ([203.164.163.212]) by mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010517023641.TUOX25209.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au@optushome.com.au> for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 12:36:41 +1000 Message-ID: <3B033B1F.8801885B@optushome.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:44:48 +1000 From: Richard Wakeling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Site to visit References: <3B0319F6.7B67065A@grolen.com> <3B0324CE.B232C53E@nni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I liked the look of the budget lowering kit but after looking at the long time garaged 924 Porsche it already had one tyre down. Well I can always use the fourth nail in the spare. And you thought I was stupid Cheers Richard. rr wrote: > I need to get a set of the piston return springs. Mine are probably > quite worn out by now. I can feel the pistons weighing down the > front end every time I rev it up! > > BobR. > > Shannen Durphey wrote: > > > http://www.kalecoauto.com/ > > > > Interesting stuff. Some descriptions are not too technically accurate. > > > > Shannen > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 17 03:42:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA24398 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 17 May 2001 03:42:12 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA24387 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 03:41:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8.adams.com [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16213 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 06:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA30977 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 06:41:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3B03AAE3.B55072FA@adams.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:41:39 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Site to visit References: <3B0319F6.7B67065A@grolen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Shannen Durphey wrote: > > http://www.kalecoauto.com/ > > Interesting stuff. Some descriptions are not too technically accurate. Some of their stuff is a ripoff. "Radiator insulator" my ass, anybody knows that you just need to put a piece of cardboard in front of it for the same effect. "Air Filter Bypass?" I just drilled holes in mine. -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 17 10:00:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA27385 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 17 May 2001 10:00:39 -0700 Received: from mail2.aracnet.com (mail2.aracnet.com [216.99.193.35]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA27378 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 10:00:32 -0700 Received: from CHAMELEON (216-99-207-210.cust.aracnet.com [216.99.207.210]) by mail2.aracnet.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f4HH0Rc12932 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 10:00:31 -0700 From: "Seth Bibler" To: Subject: RE: Site to visit Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:00:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B03AAE3.B55072FA@adams.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Shannen Durphey wrote: > > > > http://www.kalecoauto.com/ > > > > Interesting stuff. Some descriptions are not too technically accurate. > > Some of their stuff is a ripoff. "Radiator insulator" my ass, > anybody knows that you just need to put a piece of cardboard > in front of it for the same effect. "Air Filter Bypass?" I just > drilled holes in mine. Yes, I agree, and what is the deal with that O pipe? makes 0 sense to me (heh). Seth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 17 12:16:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA28562 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 17 May 2001 12:16:11 -0700 Received: from mailhost.fotowire.com (www.fotowire.com [164.128.77.42]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA28555 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 12:16:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host www.fotowire.com [164.128.77.42] claimed to be mailhost.fotowire.com Received: from xxl [212.47.181.19] by mailhost.fotowire.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A3708E0110; Thu, 17 May 2001 19:16:00 +0000 Message-ID: <002301c0df05$cee4b720$1401a8c0@gva.fotowire.com> From: "Axel Rietschin" To: References: <3B0319F6.7B67065A@grolen.com> <3B0324CE.B232C53E@nni.com> <044101c0de76$05346180$48258fd1@brucescompute> Subject: Re: Site to visit Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:15:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I think I'll have a set of cross-drilled brake lines. Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Plecan" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:06 AM Subject: Re: Site to visit > > > I'm going for the hollow plug wires > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rr" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: Site to visit > > > > > > I need to get a set of the piston return springs. Mine are probably > > quite worn out by now. I can feel the pistons weighing down the > > front end every time I rev it up! > > > > BobR. > > > > > > Shannen Durphey wrote: > > > > > http://www.kalecoauto.com/ > > > > > > Interesting stuff. Some descriptions are not too technically accurate. > > > > > > Shannen > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 17 21:16:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA01916 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 17 May 2001 21:16:35 -0700 Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id VAA01912 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 21:16:28 -0700 Received: from adsl-dynamic35-122.detroit.mi.ameritech.net (HELO C464161A) (64.108.244.122) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2001 04:16:28 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <026901c0df52$4c0719e0$7af46c40@C464161A> From: "Matt Beaubien" To: References: <3AF57104.49FDAE64@injec.com> Subject: Re: knock sensor Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:23:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does anyone know what the J&S knock detection uses in the way of circuitry? It's a "universal" knock detector and I think it's been around for a while. Matt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Lamovie" To: "DIY EFI" Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: knock sensor > > Hi All, > > Just uploaded Data sheet from Harris for their Knock sensor module. > > look for it in world's largets incoming directory (listing 42k!!!) > > Regards, > > Phil > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 17 21:29:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA02105 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 17 May 2001 21:29:40 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA02101 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 21:29:34 -0700 Received: from nacelp ([216.201.10.170]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010518042932.UVVX23469.invictus@nacelp> for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 00:29:32 -0400 Message-ID: <007301c0df53$239634e0$aa0ac9d8@nacelp> From: "Bruce" To: References: <3AF57104.49FDAE64@injec.com> <026901c0df52$4c0719e0$7af46c40@C464161A> Subject: Re: knock sensor Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:29:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Theres been two versions of the J&S. Latest is reported to be a nice one to use. One pic I saw it looked to have a microprocessor in it. Bruce From: "Matt Beaubien" Subject: Re: knock sensor > Does anyone know what the J&S knock detection uses in the way of circuitry? > It's a "universal" knock detector and I think it's been around for a while. > Matt. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Lamovie" phil@injec.com > Subject: knock sensor > > Just uploaded Data sheet from Harris for their Knock sensor module. > > look for it in world's largets incoming directory (listing 42k!!!) > > Regards, > > Phil > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 18 04:30:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA04838 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 18 May 2001 04:30:22 -0700 Received: from georgetown.edu (postoffice.georgetown.edu [141.161.1.110]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA04834 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 04:30:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host postoffice.georgetown.edu [141.161.1.110] claimed to be georgetown.edu Received: from mailhost.georgetown.edu (mailhost.georgetown.edu [141.161.1.103]) by georgetown.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f4IBTwr15300 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 07:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from georgetown.edu ([141.161.32.68]) (authenticated as wimmerr with PLAIN (0 bits)) by mailhost.georgetown.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f4IBTpc20132 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128 bits) verified NO) for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 07:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B050754.89EC09DC@georgetown.edu> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:28:20 -0400 From: Robert Wimmer Organization: Georgetown University X-Sender: "Robert Wimmer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en]C-C-UDP; georgetownU-campus-4.7-07.26.2000 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Water injection? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Will injecting a water/methanol mixture up-stream of hot-wire mass air sensor damage it or create erroneous readings? Thanks, Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 18 05:00:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA05047 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 18 May 2001 05:00:38 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA05043 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 05:00:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [198.151.139.33] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8.adams.com [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11022 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 08:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06852 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 08:00:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3B050EDB.3A106ECD@adams.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:00:27 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Water injection? References: <3B050754.89EC09DC@georgetown.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Robert Wimmer wrote: > > Will injecting a water/methanol mixture up-stream of hot-wire mass air > sensor damage it or create erroneous readings? I don't know about damage, but it seems to me that it doesn't matter where you inject water as long as the MAF sensor has the temperature sensor in the same place as the flow sensor. If this is the case, then you should get the same output from pre-sensor with its smaller quantity of higher density charge, and from the measurement of the hot-less dense charge produced by post-sensor injection. Of course if you are fully vaporizing the liquid before the sensor, then this changes the O2 content of the charge and thus the mass measurement has a different meaning than with just "pure" air. I'd conclude from this that you want to inject after the MAF. Note, if you are running an intercooled turbo system, you want to inject after both the turbo and IC to get maximum cooling of the charge. I can explain why, but not until I've had a cup of coffee this morning. :) -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 18 09:20:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07409 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 18 May 2001 09:20:51 -0700 Received: from smtp.skyenet.net (IDENT:root@[12.96.247.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07405 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 09:20:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host IDENT:root@[12.96.247.12] claimed to be smtp.skyenet.net Received: from jrh (decatur-line-38.fwi.com [209.84.174.103]) by smtp.skyenet.net (8.12.0.Beta7/8.11.0) with SMTP id f4IEIloJ021336; Fri, 18 May 2001 09:18:48 -0500 Message-ID: <006601c0dfb7$11728160$5ecdfea9@jrh> From: "Jason R. Haines" To: "GMECM" Cc: "DIY_EFI" Subject: What processors/microcontrollers are used in different OE and aftermarket EFI systems? Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:24:26 -0500 Organization: Lingenfelter Performance Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I need to know what processors are used in the late model GM EFI controllers (1990 to 2001). Does a cross reference list exist anywhere that shows the different processors/microcontrollers used in different OE and aftermarket engine management systems? If not, if people send me the information I would be happy to assemble it all into one list and put it on the ftp site (and maybe post it on a web site too). I am mostly interested in the late model GM applications but all applications would be interesting. Thanks, Jason ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 18 09:50:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07868 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 18 May 2001 09:50:19 -0700 Received: from smtp1.home.se (smtphost4.home.se [195.66.35.200]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07850 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 09:49:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host smtphost4.home.se [195.66.35.200] claimed to be smtp1.home.se Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.66.203] by smtp2.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Fri, 18 May 2001 18:46:20 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?us-ascii?Q?Jorgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: Water injection? Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:53:08 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-reply-To: <3B050754.89EC09DC@georgetown.edu> Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I don't think that it will work, when the fluid evaporates on the wire it will probably we way off. A guess on an error of several hundred %. Jorgen > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Robert Wimmer > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:28 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Water injection? > > > Will injecting a water/methanol mixture up-stream of hot-wire mass air > sensor damage it or create erroneous readings? > > Thanks, > > Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without > the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 24 15:42:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA17485 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:42:39 -0700 Received: from slinky.valesh.com (root@[209.79.244.251]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA17340 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:40:37 -0700 Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com ([199.74.158.61]) by slinky.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA09745 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 08:33:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: slinky.valesh.com: Host [199.74.158.61] claimed to be mail.verizonwireless.com Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com by mail.verizonwireless.com (414/1100) with ESMTP id f4OEFR016350 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 10:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqbedigwy1.corp.bam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 May 2001 10:19:46 -0400 Message-ID: <19D424DA3941D41189DE0008C7EB79DB0152B6A9@hqbedex3.corp.bam.com> From: "Flanagan, Steve" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: what happened Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:23:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org what happened to the list, haven't seen anything since may 11 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 24 15:43:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA17501 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:43:14 -0700 Received: from slinky.valesh.com (root@[209.79.244.251]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA17373 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:40:45 -0700 From: blocklm@juno.com X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host root@[209.79.244.251] claimed to be slinky.valesh.com Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by slinky.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA17310 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 17:25:46 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsq9ann0xY55Oq439JdSS2Y0buHwhPDq+yQ=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F533ZJ3W; Tue, 22 May 2001 19:25:58 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:29:39 -0700 Subject: Test Message-ID: <20010522.162941.100.0.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Not seen any posts since last Friday. My test messages don't bounce, but they don't come back to me either. Is the list down? Tnx Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 24 15:43:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA17522 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:43:25 -0700 Received: from slinky.valesh.com (root@[209.79.244.251]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA17392 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:40:53 -0700 Received: from mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (ha2.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au [203.164.2.51]) by slinky.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA05844 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 01:30:17 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: slinky.valesh.com: Host ha2.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au [203.164.2.51] claimed to be mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au Received: from optushome.com.au ([203.164.163.212]) by mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010522073051.NTVN25209.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au@optushome.com.au> for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 17:30:51 +1000 Message-ID: <3B0A17B1.95BA9FC0@optushome.com.au> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:39:29 +1000 From: Richard Wakeling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Test only References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 24 15:43:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA17524 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:43:25 -0700 Received: from slinky.valesh.com (root@[209.79.244.251]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA17388 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:40:51 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host root@[209.79.244.251] claimed to be slinky.valesh.com Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by slinky.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA28783 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 13:03:34 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.7.95.237]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010522190939.MRBO1420.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 12:09:39 -0700 Message-ID: <3B0ABC1A.B64DFBCE@home.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:21:37 -0700 From: Doug Dayson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: TBI Manifold Preference...??? References: <3AF57104.49FDAE64@injec.com> <026901c0df52$4c0719e0$7af46c40@C464161A> <007301c0df53$239634e0$aa0ac9d8@nacelp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi All... I'm looking into possibly converting my 71 Vette 406/400 to TBI (from a well-dialed Q-Jet). Engine specs... 406ci, TFS Twisted Wedge heads, 1 5/8" X 3" Headers, 218 @ .050 110 LSA hyd flat tappet cam with .485 lift with 1.6 Rockers, medium-rise dual plane and 750 Q-Jet. Current powr peak is at 5200 rpm, torque peak at 4000 rpm (a reasonably mild and streetable 406). Old Vettes suffer from low hood lines so high-rise manifolds won't fit. This leaves my options at low-rise single plane (Torker II) and medium-rise dual plane (Performer etc). Now I know that the Performer manifold is killing the power over 5000 rpm so I'm considering the Torker II for use with a TBI. To my undersatanding, since the TBI doesn't require manifold vaccuum to properly meter and atomize fuel will the single- plane/TBI combo deliver similar low rpm performance as the current dual-plane/Q-Jet? If yes, then I should be able to see increased performance from around the torque peak up past the power peak with the single-plane/TBI, as well as comparable low-end to the current dual-plane/carb, yes? What do Ya'll think? TIA... Doug ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 24 15:43:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA17516 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:43:22 -0700 Received: from slinky.valesh.com (root@[209.79.244.251]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA17383 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:40:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host root@[209.79.244.251] claimed to be slinky.valesh.com Received: from webber.innerx.net (webber.innerx.net [38.179.176.97]) by slinky.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07751 for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 20:37:11 -0700 Received: from [63.30.198.33] (2Cust33.tnt2.mia5.da.uu.net [63.30.198.33]) by webber.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEB7C81B1 for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 20:21:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: donburns@popmail.macconnect.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:18:51 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Don Burns Subject: Shielded O2 Wire Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sometime back someone on DIY mentioned they had successfully reduced the impact of ignition noise on the O2 sensor signal by changing the sensor wire to the ECM to a shielded cable of some kind. If you are still out there I'd like to hear from you. I am interested in knowing what kind of shielded wire was used and how the the shield was grounded. Thanks. Don ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu May 24 15:43:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA17499 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:43:08 -0700 Received: from slinky.valesh.com (root@[209.79.244.251]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA17360 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 15:40:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host root@[209.79.244.251] claimed to be slinky.valesh.com Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by slinky.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA13404 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 06:13:24 -0700 Received: from modem-152.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.3.152]) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 152XX3-0000iA-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 23 May 2001 13:14:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:51:01 +0100 From: Chris Wilson X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53 Beta/8) Personal Organization: Gatesgarth Racing Developments X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <29951388.20010523085101@formula3.freeserve.co.uk> To: Roy Subject: Re: Rod ends In-Reply-To: <20010510114557.53143.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010510114557.53143.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thursday, May 10, 2001, 12:45:57 PM, you wrote: > Hi all > I know this is not EFI related but as you americans > are fortunate enough to have easy access to a wide > range of automotive parts, where as in the UK its an > expensive nightmare, I thought I would ask if anybody > knows of a source for chrome moly rod ends at a > reasonable price. > thanks Roy Raceparts, Wallingford, Oxon. Ask for Gary, mention my name. 01491-822000 If they don't have a suitable range they will tell you who has. We do mainly single seaters and use NMB stainless as they last 4 times longer than other stuff, but it comes at a VERY hefty price tag. Rose, in the UK do some budget ranges that are worth having. Beware, there's some real *rap about. -- Best regards, Chris Wilson mailto:chris@formula3.freeserve.co.uk http://www.formula3.freeserve.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 25 09:43:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA22609 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 25 May 2001 09:43:00 -0700 Received: from csc06keysrva05s.keybank.com (csc06keysrva05s.keybank.com [156.77.98.45]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA22602 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 09:42:53 -0700 From: Rodney_L_Wiggins@KeyBank.com Subject: Source for GM TPS To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:36:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on GLCSC06LNZS03/Server/KeyCorp(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 05/25/2001 12:37:12 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Can anyone tell me what is the application for the GM TPS that comes with the Accel and electomotive systems? The local GM dealer won't talk to me without year,make, model. Sorry for what is probably a dumb-nubie question, Thanks in advance, Rod ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 25 11:32:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA23396 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 25 May 2001 11:32:16 -0700 Received: from femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.88]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA23392 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 11:32:09 -0700 Received: from jscruggs95 ([65.8.154.73]) by femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010525183206.PPPS4847.femail8.sdc1.sfba.home.com@jscruggs95> for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 11:32:06 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c0e550$b6621700$0200a8c0@tlhss1.fl.home.com> From: "Joe Scruggs" To: References: <19D424DA3941D41189DE0008C7EB79DB0152B5A9@hqbedex3.corp.bam.com> <014301c0bed5$e3fd8c90$c08601d5@ukwarews1> Subject: Re: Need Serial Comm port help!!! Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:27:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm desparately trying to play catch-up with the group messages and there were a few things that I thought I might respond to. The issue with the laptop ports - did you ever get it working? I've dealt with computers since the mid-80's and have probably ran into more problems than anyone, except for some computer tech's. First of all, there has always been confusion with COM ports. There are hardware ports and software ports. That is why some PC makers refer to the hardware ports as COM A and COM B. But people normally look at a hardware port and think of it as COM1 or COM2. Through your BIOS you can change any hardware port to any software port (COM1 thru COM4). When Win 95 and up and plug & play features came along, they took more and more control over this process so people would not have to mess around with their BIOS settings. DOS still relies on the BIOS setup, so if Win 95 or any other operating system treats the hardware port differently without changing the BIOS, DOS will still see it the way the BIOS defines it. That is why it can be different from one operating system to another. Laptops brought more problems into the picture. They brought power management onto the scene to extend battery life, which can affect port control without your knowledge. The best thing if battery life is not that important to you is to disable it completely through your Control Panel (or other method depending on operating system/laptop manufacturer). The other major hassle has been IR communications. I have never used it, but almost all laptops in the past decade or so offer it as a standard option (probably so they don't get hit on a review or something like that). The problem is it often intereferes with communications on your COM port. Most current laptops offer only one hardware COM port, because the built-in modem already uses a COM port and the IR system uses another. You have three devices trying to use COM1 and COM2. You can use COM3 or COM4, but any time that you try to use them, there will almost certainly be problems within Windows operating systems. The solution that I have used on several laptops with similar conflicts is to completely disable the energy management features and the IR communication features. To completely disable IR you might have to disable it in the BIOS and in Windows. In Windows you can disable it in the Device Manager. Do not remove it, however. It will only try to come back the next time you boot. If you do use IR comm, you can create different profiles. If you do all of this - verify modem settings do not conflict - you should be able to communicate through your communications port! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Whittaker - Chester UK" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:12 PM Subject: Re: Need Serial Comm port help!!! > I've followed this thread with interest.... > > Don't forget that a lot of laptops use CMOS ports that do not provide enough > power for self-powered com port interfaces. > > Andy. > ------------------------------------------ > Andy Whittaker > Chester, England. > Email: mail@andywhittaker.com > Web: http://www.andywhittaker.com/ > ECU Stuff: http://www.andywhittaker.com/ecu/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Flanagan, Steve" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 7:11 PM > Subject: RE: Need Serial Comm port help!!! > > > > Jorgen, > > > > not yet, but when I do I will let you know if it works. > > > > thanks for all the help. > > > > Steve > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri May 25 12:35:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA23867 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 25 May 2001 12:35:46 -0700 Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA23863 for ; Fri, 25 May 2001 12:35:39 -0700 Received: from [216.232.171.118] (helo=Snoopy) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 153NN4-000Gdq-00 for DIY_EFI@lists.diy-efi.org; Fri, 25 May 2001 12:35:38 -0700 Message-ID: <009501c0e552$3e692110$0100a8c0@telus.net> From: "John Dammeyer" To: Subject: Injector Driver. Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:36:13 -0700 Organization: Automation Artisans Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi all, What's currently available for Peak/Hold injector drivers? As I recall a Motorola part was discontinued and I have no idea what sort of replacements are out there at the moment. Thanks, John Dammeyer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat May 26 03:39:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA28065 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 26 May 2001 03:39:56 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f113.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.113]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA28061 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 03:39:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f113.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.113] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 May 2001 03:38:55 -0700 Received: from 207.225.90.232 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 May 2001 10:38:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.225.90.232] From: "The Punisher" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: TBI Manifold Preference...??? Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:38:55 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2001 10:38:55.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[108083F0:01C0E5D0] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Doug: I have a setup very similar to what you describe. Its in an S-10 pickup so weight will be similar to youre vette. the engine is a 406 small block with 11:1 comp. I used world products dart2 sportsman2 heads. I think the sportsman's flow a bit more air, but the TFS wedge's got a much better chamber(and possibly more detonation resistant). I applied thermal barrier coating on the piston tops,combustion chambers, valve's, and exhaust ports. I air-brushed it on after SAND-blasting(NOT glassbead), then cured it in the oven. I use crane 1.6 rockers and have a hydraulic cam just slightly bigger than yours. I have a torker2 manifold with a custom made 1.5" spacer and a 670CFM holley 2 barrel injector. I made my own spacer to center the TBI over the center of the plenum and ported it to a very smooth transition. The TBI is wider than the 4150 type opening and I did not want to disrupt flow with a sharp angled adaptor like the holley one. I still dont have a proper computer on it, I have been using an old analog Pro-Jection unit for control. It would be much better with a 747. BUT it does run better with the crappy pro-jection box than it does with a 600 holley vaccum secondary or an edelbrock(weber)600. Not quite as good as the 800 double pumper I had though. The guy at holley said that a TBI would be fine on a single plane because you are not trying to get a stronger signal to a venturi like on a carb. I cant realy think of a low rise manifold that would be much better than a torker2 for a 406.seems like there is a low rise single plane WEIAND but I'm not sure. Certianly a victor jr. would run alot better, but there goes youre hood clearence. If you run a medium/high rise single plane made for a dominator carb, you can use a short adaptor plate with no airflow problem. I have seen a few of these manifolds(torker4500 ?). Also you might consider a medium/high rise manifold made with a spreadbore flange. then you could use a short spacer. But I dont know how much having the TBI at the back of the plenum instaed of centered will hurt mixture distribution. Thats why I used an old torker2. Good luck The Punisher >From: Doug Dayson >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >Subject: TBI Manifold Preference...??? >Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:21:37 -0700 > >Hi All... > >I'm looking into possibly converting my 71 Vette 406/400 to TBI (from a >well-dialed Q-Jet). > >Engine specs... > >406ci, TFS Twisted Wedge heads, 1 5/8" X 3" Headers, 218 @ .050 110 LSA hyd >flat tappet cam with .485 lift with 1.6 Rockers, medium-rise dual plane >and 750 >Q-Jet. Current powr peak is at 5200 rpm, torque peak at 4000 rpm (a >reasonably >mild and streetable 406). > >Old Vettes suffer from low hood lines so high-rise manifolds won't fit. >This >leaves my options at low-rise single plane (Torker II) and medium-rise dual >plane (Performer etc). > >Now I know that the Performer manifold is killing the power over 5000 >rpm so >I'm considering the Torker II for use with a TBI. > >To my undersatanding, since the TBI doesn't require manifold vaccuum to >properly meter and atomize fuel will the single- plane/TBI combo deliver >similar low rpm performance as the current dual-plane/Q-Jet? > >If yes, then I should be able to see increased performance from around the >torque peak up past the power peak with the single-plane/TBI, as well as >comparable low-end to the current dual-plane/carb, yes? > >What do Ya'll think? > >TIA... > >Doug >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat May 26 04:01:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA28156 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 26 May 2001 04:01:49 -0700 Received: from chvpk-wss1.sr.chevron.com (cppat2.chevron.com [208.33.240.21]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id EAA28152 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 04:01:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cppat2.chevron.com [208.33.240.21] claimed to be chvpk-wss1.sr.chevron.com X-Server-Uuid: 26fe3e76-19dd-11d3-be09-0008c7b1f151 Message-ID: <5AB456BD8DF8D211815100805F1596BB045AA0E6@chevron.com> From: "Wilkie, Johnson (WLKJ)" To: "'DIY_EFI@lists.diy-efi.org'" Subject: Display Language Change Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 04:00:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) X-WSS-ID: 17115367255469-01-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Any ideas on how to change the display language, on my dash, from German to English. Do I need to change a chip? And which one. Mine is BMW 525i E34 1989/90. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat May 26 07:41:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA29522 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 26 May 2001 07:41:22 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA29517 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 07:41:15 -0700 Received: from nacelp ([216.201.10.209]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010526144113.PUME539.invictus@nacelp> for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 10:41:13 -0400 Message-ID: <004401c0e5f1$f3c002a0$d10ac9d8@nacelp> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: TBI Manifold Preference...??? Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:41:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Weiand has the best of the lot in my opinion (excluding GM manifolds), the 7525, and for low singles the 7546, there is even a 3rd that excapes me at the moment. I've used all three with better results then the Edelbrock or Hollies Bruce > Doug: > I have a setup very similar to what you describe. Its in an S-10 pickup so > weight will be similar to youre vette. > the engine is a 406 small block with 11:1 comp. I used world products dart2 > sportsman2 heads. I think the sportsman's flow a bit more air, but the TFS > wedge's got a much better chamber(and possibly more detonation resistant). > I applied thermal barrier coating on the piston tops,combustion chambers, > valve's, and exhaust ports. I air-brushed it on after SAND-blasting(NOT > glassbead), then cured it in the oven. > I use crane 1.6 rockers and have a hydraulic cam just slightly bigger than > yours. > I have a torker2 manifold with a custom made 1.5" spacer and a 670CFM holley > 2 barrel injector. I made my own spacer to center the TBI over the center of > the plenum and ported it to a very smooth transition. The TBI is wider than > the 4150 type opening and I did not want to disrupt flow with a sharp angled > adaptor like the holley one. > I still dont have a proper computer on it, I have been using an old analog > Pro-Jection unit for control. It would be much better with a 747. BUT it > does run better with the crappy pro-jection box than it does with a 600 > holley vaccum secondary or an edelbrock(weber)600. Not quite as good as the > 800 double pumper I had though. > The guy at holley said that a TBI would be fine on a single plane because > you are not trying to get a stronger signal to a venturi like on a carb. > I cant realy think of a low rise manifold that would be much better than a > torker2 for a 406.seems like there is a low rise single plane WEIAND but I'm > not sure. Certianly a victor jr. would run alot better, but there goes youre > hood clearence. > If you run a medium/high rise single plane made for a dominator carb, you > can use a short adaptor plate with no airflow problem. I have seen a few of > these manifolds(torker4500 ?). > Also you might consider a medium/high rise manifold made with a spreadbore > flange. then you could use a short spacer. But I dont know how much having > the TBI at the back of the plenum instaed of centered will hurt mixture > distribution. Thats why I used an old torker2. > > Good luck > The Punisher > > > >From: Doug Dayson > >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > >To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > >Subject: TBI Manifold Preference...??? > >Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 12:21:37 -0700 > > > >Hi All... > > > >I'm looking into possibly converting my 71 Vette 406/400 to TBI (from a > >well-dialed Q-Jet). > > > >Engine specs... > > > >406ci, TFS Twisted Wedge heads, 1 5/8" X 3" Headers, 218 @ .050 110 LSA hyd > >flat tappet cam with .485 lift with 1.6 Rockers, medium-rise dual plane > >and 750 > >Q-Jet. Current powr peak is at 5200 rpm, torque peak at 4000 rpm (a > >reasonably > >mild and streetable 406). > > > >Old Vettes suffer from low hood lines so high-rise manifolds won't fit. > >This > >leaves my options at low-rise single plane (Torker II) and medium-rise dual > >plane (Performer etc). > > > >Now I know that the Performer manifold is killing the power over 5000 > >rpm so > >I'm considering the Torker II for use with a TBI. > > > >To my undersatanding, since the TBI doesn't require manifold vaccuum to > >properly meter and atomize fuel will the single- plane/TBI combo deliver > >similar low rpm performance as the current dual-plane/Q-Jet? > > > >If yes, then I should be able to see increased performance from around the > >torque peak up past the power peak with the single-plane/TBI, as well as > >comparable low-end to the current dual-plane/carb, yes? > > > >What do Ya'll think? > > > >TIA... > > > >Doug > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > >quotes) > >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat May 26 14:47:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA32160 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 26 May 2001 14:47:08 -0700 Received: from smtp.scotland.net (smtp.scotland.net [194.247.65.1]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA32156 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 14:46:57 -0700 Received: from e2h1p120.scotland.net ([148.176.237.121] helo=emma) by smtp.scotland.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 153ltZ-00025n-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Sat, 26 May 2001 22:46:50 +0100 Message-ID: <04c101c0e62d$955d2440$79edb094@emma> From: "Hugh" To: References: Subject: Detonation Monitor Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 20:47:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0E625.1A3F2C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0E625.1A3F2C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello=20 My Nissan runs two detonation microphones that are linked into the ECU. I would like to monitor the microphones to see if they are receiving = signals that are at the detonation frequency. I believe that the frequency of most of the noise can be calculated from = the bore diameter and should therefore be avoided. Is there an aftermarket device that can be built / purchased that will = allow you to select the right frequency to pick up detonation? Thanks=20 Hugh ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0E625.1A3F2C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello
 
My Nissan runs two detonation = microphones that=20 are linked into the ECU.
 
I would like to monitor the = microphones to see if=20 they are receiving signals that are at the detonation = frequency.
 
I believe that the frequency of most = of the noise=20 can be calculated from the bore diameter and should therefore be=20 avoided.
 
Is there an aftermarket device that = can be built=20 / purchased that will allow you to select the right frequency to pick up = detonation?
 
Thanks
 
Hugh
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0E625.1A3F2C20-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat May 26 16:18:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA00319 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 26 May 2001 16:18:11 -0700 Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA00315 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 16:18:04 -0700 Received: from cc693406a ([65.11.182.46]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010526231632.SGN8481.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc693406a> for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 16:16:32 -0700 Message-ID: <004401c0e63a$1ca76d00$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: <04c101c0e62d$955d2440$79edb094@emma> Subject: Re: Detonation Monitor Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 18:18:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C0E610.3281B380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C0E610.3281B380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been thinking about the detonation situation and you have ignited = some further thoughts on that subject. You have mentioned that the = detonation frequency would be at about the combustion chamber Helmholtz = frequency. I think you're probably right but it just occurred to me = that the speed of sound should be quite high due to the compression = ratio. So, if the volume is (for a 350 small block Chevy)=20 350/8 * sine(degrees BTDC) + .125(350/8) where: The .125 is clearance volume for an 8:1 engine.) 350/8 is the volume of one cylinder. sine(degrees BTDC) is the ratio of volume of the cylinder at that = position And the pressure is: 14.7PSI * .8 * 8 Where: 14.7 is the initial pressure .8 is the volumetric efficiency 8 is the compression ratio Then we should have the 'ping' frequency. That's as far as I can go = right now, I'll work more on it later. I don't know the Helmholtz = theorem right now. But it seems that the ping frequency will increase = depending on where the ping is started in relationship to the cycle dh ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hugh=20 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Detonation Monitor Hello=20 My Nissan runs two detonation microphones that are linked into the = ECU. I would like to monitor the microphones to see if they are receiving = signals that are at the detonation frequency. I believe that the frequency of most of the noise can be calculated = from the bore diameter and should therefore be avoided. Is there an aftermarket device that can be built / purchased that will = allow you to select the right frequency to pick up detonation? Thanks=20 Hugh ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C0E610.3281B380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been thinking about the = detonation=20 situation and you have ignited some further thoughts on that = subject.  You=20 have mentioned that the detonation frequency would be at about the = combustion=20 chamber Helmholtz frequency.  I think you're probably right but it = just=20 occurred to me that the speed of sound should be quite high due to the=20 compression ratio.
 
So, if the volume is (for a 350 = small block=20 Chevy)
 
350/8 * sine(degrees BTDC) +=20 .125(350/8)
 
where:
    The .125 is = clearance volume=20 for an 8:1 engine.)
    350/8 is the = volume of one=20 cylinder.