From diy_efi-owner Sat Jun 16 14:06:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA09638 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:06:07 -0700 Received: from sisko.awpi.com (root@awpi.com [204.241.40.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA09632 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:06:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host root@awpi.com [204.241.40.2] claimed to be sisko.awpi.com Received: from michalk (win95.awpi.com [204.241.40.10]) by sisko.awpi.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA12206 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:05:55 -0500 From: "Brian Michalk" To: Subject: Opinions on SDSEFI Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:15:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004401c0f673$5a972260$a4d1fea9@oemcomputer> Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I joined this list a couple of months ago. My goal was to find a reliable fuel injection system for my engine. I bought KE jetronic parts because the solution was entirely mechanical, and appeared to be reliable. Well, it turns out that the KE doesn't work very well for my application, so I studied the problem a little bit more. After a couple of months of head scratching, I've narrowed my search down to the SDS EFI EM-6F (www.sdsefi.com) system. Some of you guys figured out on your own from my descriptions that I was trying to find something to work for an aircraft engine. It turns out that the SDS folks have sold a few installations to airplane guys, it appears they aren't as touchy as Americans are about the threat of litigation. First, I'd like to hear if anyone has any comments about the SDS systems. I like them because they are simple, and this means fewer components to break. Second, I'm trying to solve a redundancy problem. I really don't want two EFI systems; I'd rather have two very different animals. For redundancy, I'm looking for a single injector that can make about 250 horsepower. It doesn't have to be sexy, but it does need to work reliably. My thought was that I could tap off the fuel rail and go through a metering needle valve before the injector. This would mean a single control for the needle valve. Yes, I know the fuel is unmetered. I would be required to fiddle with fuel flow and airflow to get the thing to work right. Is there some other way to meter this injector? Manifold pressure perhaps? I've got dual batteries, mechanical and electric fuel pumps for the rest of the redundancy. Thoughts and opinions welcome. Brian Michalk Life is what you make of it ... never wish you had done something. Aviator, experimental aircraft builder, motorcyclist, SCUBA diver musician, home-brewer, entrepreneur and SINGLE! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Jun 16 17:35:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA10430 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:35:14 -0700 Received: from mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com [24.2.10.84]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA10426 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:35:08 -0700 Received: from draxsrealm ([24.64.218.157]) by mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010617003502.NLPF3880.mail1.rdc2.bc.home.com@draxsrealm> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:35:02 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c0f6c5$58b94160$9dda4018@gv.shawcable.net> From: "Drax240z" To: References: Subject: Re: Opinions on SDSEFI Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:35:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I have the SDS EM-6E system on my 240z turbo, though I have yet to start the car. I was very impressed with the build quality (anodized CNC parts) of the SDS components, as well as with their customer support. I know more than half a dozen guys that have run SDS on their Nissan 2.8L Turbo engines, and I've yet to hear any complaints from them, except perhaps the lack of datalogging. The price is definately right! Richard Lewis 2B Mechanical Engineering University of Victoria, BC http://members.home.net/drax77/newpage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Michalk" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: Opinions on SDSEFI > I joined this list a couple of months ago. My goal was to find a reliable > fuel injection system for my engine. I bought KE jetronic parts because the > solution was entirely mechanical, and appeared to be reliable. Well, it > turns out that the KE doesn't work very well for my application, so I > studied the problem a little bit more. After a couple of months of head > scratching, I've narrowed my search down to the SDS EFI EM-6F > (www.sdsefi.com) system. > > Some of you guys figured out on your own from my descriptions that I was > trying to find something to work for an aircraft engine. It turns out that > the SDS folks have sold a few installations to airplane guys, it appears > they aren't as touchy as Americans are about the threat of litigation. > > First, I'd like to hear if anyone has any comments about the SDS systems. I > like them because they are simple, and this means fewer components to break. > > Second, I'm trying to solve a redundancy problem. I really don't want two > EFI systems; I'd rather have two very different animals. For redundancy, > I'm looking for a single injector that can make about 250 horsepower. It > doesn't have to be sexy, but it does need to work reliably. My thought was > that I could tap off the fuel rail and go through a metering needle valve > before the injector. This would mean a single control for the needle valve. > Yes, I know the fuel is unmetered. I would be required to fiddle with fuel > flow and airflow to get the thing to work right. Is there some other way to > meter this injector? Manifold pressure perhaps? > > I've got dual batteries, mechanical and electric fuel pumps for the rest of > the redundancy. > > Thoughts and opinions welcome. > > Brian Michalk > Life is what you make of it ... never wish you had done something. > Aviator, experimental aircraft builder, motorcyclist, SCUBA diver > musician, home-brewer, entrepreneur and SINGLE! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Jun 16 23:49:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA12766 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:49:20 -0700 Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA12762; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:49:14 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.7.95.237]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010617064908.RYCJ16685.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:49:08 -0700 Message-ID: <3B2C55AE.ABF522AF@home.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:01:17 -0700 From: Doug Dayson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, Post GM_ECM Subject: New L88? References: <002301c0f6c5$58b94160$9dda4018@gv.shawcable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Recieved this from a friend, looking for confirmation (Jason?). If it's supposed to be hush hush I'll understand, but if not spill the beans...(:>) Thanks...Doug > Well as much as I was drilling for an answer, I only got the following > > GM intends to build 2003, '03 427 Vettes The engines are all individually > labeled > RPO-LS88. Which I presume is to resurrect the famous RPO L88 427 of '67. > > They are to all be 520+/520+ (minimum specifically targeting the Viper) The > engines were designed by LPE, and in head to head testing with the LS6 big > block proved more reliable thru GM tests. So GM also commissioned the > building with LPE. > > Looking at the test sheets from several motors, I know these motors are > building some 530+/530+ but the spec is to 520/520. > > When I arrived at LPE there were 50 GM Mass Shipping Engine racks (each > holds 4 engines) being loaded on a truck. In his shop there was easily > another 50-60 in the works, and in the back staging room another 150 in > various states. > > So my guess is they are "pre-building now" for assembly later. > > Also I would guess the '03 vette's engine option code to be none other then > RPO-LS88... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Jun 17 09:01:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA15339 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:01:00 -0700 Received: from smtp.skyenet.net (IDENT:root@smtp.skyenet.net [12.96.247.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA15335 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:00:54 -0700 Received: from jrh (decatur-line-47.fwi.com [209.84.174.112]) by smtp.skyenet.net (8.12.0.Beta7/8.11.0) with SMTP id f5HE0PhM004951 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:00:26 -0500 Message-ID: <005a01c0f747$8456e5c0$5ecdfea9@jrh> From: "Jason R. Haines" To: References: <002301c0f6c5$58b94160$9dda4018@gv.shawcable.net> <3B2C55AE.ABF522AF@home.com> Subject: Re: New L88? Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:06:47 -0500 Organization: Lingenfelter Performance Engineering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The engine racks that someone saw are for the ASA engines (LPE is the upfitter and storage facility for all of the ASA LS1 engines). The engines arrive from GM on those racks and when they are empty we have to return them to GM. Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Dayson" To: ; "Post GM_ECM" Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 2:01 AM Subject: New L88? > Recieved this from a friend, looking for confirmation (Jason?). > > If it's supposed to be hush hush I'll understand, but if not spill the > beans...(:>) > > Thanks...Doug > > > Well as much as I was drilling for an answer, I only got the following > > > > GM intends to build 2003, '03 427 Vettes The engines are all individually > > labeled > > RPO-LS88. Which I presume is to resurrect the famous RPO L88 427 of '67. > > > > They are to all be 520+/520+ (minimum specifically targeting the Viper) The > > engines were designed by LPE, and in head to head testing with the LS6 big > > block proved more reliable thru GM tests. So GM also commissioned the > > building with LPE. > > > > Looking at the test sheets from several motors, I know these motors are > > building some 530+/530+ but the spec is to 520/520. > > > > When I arrived at LPE there were 50 GM Mass Shipping Engine racks (each > > holds 4 engines) being loaded on a truck. In his shop there was easily > > another 50-60 in the works, and in the back staging room another 150 in > > various states. > > > > So my guess is they are "pre-building now" for assembly later. > > > > Also I would guess the '03 vette's engine option code to be none other then > > RPO-LS88... > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Jun 17 09:28:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA15599 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:28:07 -0700 Received: from sisko.awpi.com (root@awpi.com [204.241.40.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA15593 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:28:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host root@awpi.com [204.241.40.2] claimed to be sisko.awpi.com Received: from michalk (win95.awpi.com [204.241.40.10]) by sisko.awpi.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA16964 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:27:57 -0500 From: "Brian Michalk" To: Subject: Autronic SMC group buy. Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:37:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Is it too late to get in on the Autronic group buy? Brian Michalk Life is what you make of it ... never wish you had done something. Aviator, experimental aircraft builder, motorcyclist, SCUBA diver musician, home-brewer, entrepreneur and SINGLE! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Jun 17 09:38:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA15800 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:38:31 -0700 Received: from sisko.awpi.com (root@awpi.com [204.241.40.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA15793 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 09:38:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host root@awpi.com [204.241.40.2] claimed to be sisko.awpi.com Received: from michalk (win95.awpi.com [204.241.40.10]) by sisko.awpi.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA17007; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:38:18 -0500 From: "Brian Michalk" To: "Jurgen Hartwig" , Subject: RE: SDS EFI Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:47:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001601c0f734$199c2f00$0400a8c0@midsouth.rr.com> Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > > What are referencing? > > > > If I could modify parameters on the fly, like ignition timing, then I > would > > not have to put in the external delay circuit. > > On the Autronic, you can modify the parameters on the fly. You have > excellent ignition control of each individual cylinder, as well as fine > control of large injectors (you mentioned the desire to use one HUGE > injector). However, making an automatic system which adjusts timing to > reflect your pressure readings would take a good bit more work. > > Jay > When I was referred to a backup injector, I meant that I wanted a completely separate system. I'll have a mechanical fuel pump, with the electrical pump as backup, so tapping this redundant injector off the fuel rail shouldn't be a problem. The worst that could happen is a fuel rail failure, like a fuel regulator rupturing, or something like that. This injector doesn't need to atomize very well, I'm not concerned about efficiency, I just want to make enough power to keep me in the air. If you've ever seen a Continental state of the art fuel injection system you would laugh and think it was a joke. The stream of fuel that comes out of the injector is about the diameter of a pencil lead (.5mm). There is no atomization at all, so the fuel gets mixed by turbulent air. I was thinking about something similar, or just plug the end of a tube and drill an .050 hole in it and call it an injector. The thing I don't know about is how to modulate that. Could I take a regulator from something and plumb it to the intake manifold and somehow modulate the pressure, or should I put together a needle valve and go completely manual. Either way, there's got to be some sort of manual non-electrical way to turn on this injector. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Jun 17 12:16:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA16496 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:16:41 -0700 Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA16491 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:16:35 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.7.95.237]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010617191559.EKSI28809.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:15:59 -0700 Message-ID: <3B2D04BA.22E57FE8@home.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 12:28:14 -0700 From: Doug Dayson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: New L88? References: <002301c0f6c5$58b94160$9dda4018@gv.shawcable.net> <3B2C55AE.ABF522AF@home.com> <005a01c0f747$8456e5c0$5ecdfea9@jrh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks for the clarification JAson... Doug "Jason R. Haines" wrote: > The engine racks that someone saw are for the ASA engines (LPE is the > upfitter and storage facility for all of the ASA LS1 engines). The engines > arrive from GM on those racks and when they are empty we have to return them > to GM. > > Jason > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Dayson" > To: ; "Post GM_ECM" > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 2:01 AM > Subject: New L88? > > > Recieved this from a friend, looking for confirmation (Jason?). > > > > If it's supposed to be hush hush I'll understand, but if not spill the > > beans...(:>) > > > > Thanks...Doug > > > > > Well as much as I was drilling for an answer, I only got the following > > > > > > GM intends to build 2003, '03 427 Vettes The engines are all > individually > > > labeled > > > RPO-LS88. Which I presume is to resurrect the famous RPO L88 427 of > '67. > > > > > > They are to all be 520+/520+ (minimum specifically targeting the > Viper) The > > > engines were designed by LPE, and in head to head testing with the > LS6 big > > > block proved more reliable thru GM tests. So GM also commissioned > the > > > building with LPE. > > > > > > Looking at the test sheets from several motors, I know these motors > are > > > building some 530+/530+ but the spec is to 520/520. > > > > > > When I arrived at LPE there were 50 GM Mass Shipping Engine racks > (each > > > holds 4 engines) being loaded on a truck. In his shop there was > easily > > > another 50-60 in the works, and in the back staging room another 150 > in > > > various states. > > > > > > So my guess is they are "pre-building now" for assembly later. > > > > > > Also I would guess the '03 vette's engine option code to be none > other then > > > RPO-LS88... > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 18 08:05:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA21752 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:05:25 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f127.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.127]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA21748 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:05:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f127.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.127] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:04:45 -0700 Received: from 207.45.130.11 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:04:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.45.130.11] From: "John Walker" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:04:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2001 15:04:45.0481 (UTC) FILETIME=[02AEC990:01C0F808] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I just purchased a SpeedPro with Wideband 02 for my 98 Dodge Dakota. I've done quite a bit of research and downloaded the software to play with. Everyone I talk to says the tuning process is pretty intuitive. My question is though, has anyone here tuned a SpeedPro unit? If I'm sure general tuning techniques will help. This will be my first ECU tuning project so I want to make sure I don't screw anything up. Should I just take the defaults, make a pull, view the WB correction factor and other data and try to hone it in that way? Don't mean to sound remedial...but I want to get max power without being dangerous. I guess one of my biggest questions is...when do decide to go WOT on the dyno? Thanks, John Walker _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 18 09:06:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA22935 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:06:35 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA22931 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:06:29 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqso4MSMWhC8VlqK0okLxGx4aR0vpc5Ilthg=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F78TKCUF; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:06:01 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:09:55 -0700 Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Message-ID: <20010618.090956.135.0.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-5,8-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:04:45 -0500 "John Walker" writes: > I just purchased a SpeedPro with Wideband 02 for my 98 Dodge Dakota. John, I can't help out in the experience part, but I would *really* appreciate hearing how much you paid for it, especially how it broke down into options, to see how much the WBo2 cost you. Also who you got it from. Tnx Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 18 09:31:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA23147 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:31:07 -0700 Received: from smtp2.home.se (smtp2.home.se [195.66.35.201]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA23141 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:30:59 -0700 Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.66.52] by smtp1.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:27:16 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:35:14 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi, I have done some tuning with the speedpro. Do most of the tuning on the road, you only need a dyno after the ve table is finished. That is to find the correct target AFR and to optimize the ignition curve for your engine. It is a lot easier to listen to knock on the dyno then on the road. A good start is to get a map from a similar engine, then you change the displacement to that of your engine. Do the same thing with the injector size. This part is very important. First you have to set up the datalogging, unfortunally I have forgot all about this part. But aim for 15s logtime. Now you need to make sure that the 'dash' you use has all the parameters you need in the log. I find o2corr, o2, o2target, intake pressure and tps to be helpful. Go to the VE screen. Choose a dash that are suitable. Let the engine idle until it has warmed up. Then check how much the speedpro has to compensate at idle, 'o2 Corr' is what you look at. Mark the area where your engine idles and press '*' if the speedpro adds 15% then type 115 in the window that has come up. If it subtracts 15% then type85 in the window. Now it is time to do a pull at very low load. Go to the log screen, lock in second gear start the logger and drive at the same load until you dont want to rev it more. Take a quick look at the log, then go to the ve table again. Press 'o' (if i remember right) the log file is now traced on the map. When you follow the trace with the arrows the dash present the values in the log at that load site. Make any needed changes, make an other testrun at the same load. Make more corrections if needed. Then copy that row of VE data all the way to the top of the map. Now repeat the test run at the next load level, continue until you are at full load. Compensate where necessary. As long as you are withing +-7% correction you are ok, very fast cars need to get a bit closer. Good luck Jörgen Karlsson Gothenburg, Sweden. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 18 10:44:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA23791 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:44:34 -0700 Received: from smtp.scotland.net (smtpa.scotland.net [194.247.64.1]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA23786 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:44:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host smtpa.scotland.net [194.247.64.1] claimed to be smtp.scotland.net Received: from e2h3p42.scotland.net ([148.176.239.43] helo=emma) by smtp.scotland.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 15C34M-0002cd-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:44:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c0f81e$abafb3e0$2befb094@emma> From: "Hugh" To: References: Subject: Re: Autronic SMC group buy. Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:46:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C0F790.1C41CEC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C0F790.1C41CEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian, This is the first post I have seen on the subject of a group buy and the = first on Autronic since March. Hugh ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C0F790.1C41CEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C0F790.1C41CEC0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 18 13:03:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA24849 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:03:06 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA24845 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:03:00 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.41.143]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010618200258.LLNJ598.invictus@bruce> for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:02:58 -0400 Message-ID: <016b01c0f831$c2f50f60$8f29c9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:03:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Start rich, and with very conservative timing. lean and advance timing in small steps, all the while monitoring knock, and reading plugs Bruce From: "John Walker" Subject: SpeedPro Tuning > I just purchased a SpeedPro with Wideband 02 for my 98 Dodge Dakota. I've > done quite a bit of research and downloaded the software to play with. > Everyone I talk to says the tuning process is pretty intuitive. My question > is though, has anyone here tuned a SpeedPro unit? If I'm sure general > tuning techniques will help. This will be my first ECU tuning project so I > want to make sure I don't screw anything up. Should I just take the > defaults, make a pull, view the WB correction factor and other data and try > to hone it in that way? > Don't mean to sound remedial...but I want to get max power without being > dangerous. I guess one of my biggest questions is...when do decide to go > WOT on the dyno? > Thanks, > John Walker ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 18 14:42:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25615 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:42:11 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f81.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.81]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25611 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:42:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f81.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.81] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:41:34 -0700 Received: from 207.45.130.10 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:41:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.45.130.10] From: "John Walker" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:41:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2001 21:41:34.0715 (UTC) FILETIME=[721794B0:01C0F83F] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Brian, SpeedPro does have a part # for our trucks with a general prescription for wiring it in. That is, they give you the wires that must be replaced and/or spliced but no guarantees on check engine lights, etc. The instructions are a one page sheet, no diagrams just pinouts. SpeedPro however, never intended to market the SpeedPro as a plug and play. Their unit has been modified to pick up the signals from the Magnum crank trigger on requests by McMormick Motorsports a campainger of Stock Eliminator trucks and other race teams. Their is a company Fastrack Performance out of California that has built a custom harness for it. I don't have his contact info as I am on vacation right now in Florida but I'd be happy to send it to you. I ordered my complete setup from FastTrack for $2195. The cheapest I could find the setup with WideBand O2 but without FastTrack's custom harness was $1660. If I'm not mistaking a unit without WBO2 can be had for around $1200. The harness is costly at $550+ But, from speeking to a few people that have installed it without it (including SpeedPro) "it is worth it's weight in gold" We shall see. It's a coslty mod, but a good gateway to bigger and better things. The stock Dodge tuning is majorily limited. SpeedPro claimed 20rwhp on a stock truck. FastTrack confirmed this figure. Again, we'll see the numbers when I'm done. Hopefully they will be good. John Walker - Antioch, TN - http://www.dakotaracing.com 98 IB CC - ATI 7psi, Leach Headers, TB, M1, MSD 6BTM, PI 3400 Stall, E/T Streets, Hotchkis >From: Brian L Massey >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:09:55 -0700 > >On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:04:45 -0500 "John Walker" >writes: > > I just purchased a SpeedPro with Wideband 02 for my 98 Dodge Dakota. > >John, > >I can't help out in the experience part, but I would *really* appreciate >hearing how much you paid for it, especially how it broke down into >options, to see how much the WBo2 cost you. Also who you got it from. Tnx > >Brian > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 18 14:45:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25663 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:45:16 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f149.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.149]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25658 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:45:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f149.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.149] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:44:38 -0700 Received: from 199.48.19.253 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:44:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.48.19.253] From: "John Walker" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:44:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2001 21:44:38.0913 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFE1F710:01C0F83F] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Jörgen and Bruce...thanks for the replies. I'm sure i'll have more questions when the unit arrives and i get it installed. This gets me on the right track. Later, John >From: Jörgen Karlsson >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >To: >Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:35:14 +0200 > >Hi, > >I have done some tuning with the speedpro. > >Do most of the tuning on the road, you only need a dyno after the ve table >is finished. That is to find the correct target AFR and to optimize the >ignition curve for your engine. It is a lot easier to listen to knock on >the >dyno then on the road. > >A good start is to get a map from a similar engine, then you change the >displacement to that of your engine. Do the same thing with the injector >size. This part is very important. > >First you have to set up the datalogging, unfortunally I have forgot all >about this part. But aim for 15s logtime. > >Now you need to make sure that the 'dash' you use has all the parameters >you >need in the log. I find o2corr, o2, o2target, intake pressure and tps to be >helpful. > >Go to the VE screen. Choose a dash that are suitable. > >Let the engine idle until it has warmed up. > >Then check how much the speedpro has to compensate at idle, 'o2 Corr' is >what you look at. Mark the area where your engine idles and press '*' if >the >speedpro adds 15% then type 115 in the window that has come up. If it >subtracts 15% then type85 in the window. > >Now it is time to do a pull at very low load. Go to the log screen, lock in >second gear start the logger and drive at the same load until you dont want >to rev it more. > >Take a quick look at the log, then go to the ve table again. Press 'o' (if >i >remember right) the log file is now traced on the map. When you follow the >trace with the arrows the dash present the values in the log at that load >site. > >Make any needed changes, make an other testrun at the same load. Make more >corrections if needed. Then copy that row of VE data all the way to the top >of the map. > >Now repeat the test run at the next load level, continue until you are at >full load. Compensate where necessary. > >As long as you are withing +-7% correction you are ok, very fast cars need >to get a bit closer. > >Good luck > >Jörgen Karlsson >Gothenburg, Sweden. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 18 18:06:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA27253 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:06:20 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA27249 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:06:14 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqslCdgVz81qmE1i+j9+hwkjpFkrl34hxmJA=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F79SFT7W; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:05:51 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:09:41 -0700 Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Message-ID: <20010618.180942.135.2.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3,5,7-9,11-13,16-18 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:41:34 -0500 "John Walker" writes: > Their is a company Fastrack Performance out of California that has > built a custom harness for it. I don't have his contact info as I am on > vacation right now in Florida but I'd be happy to send it to you. I ordered > my complete setup from FastTrack for $2195. The cheapest I could find > the setup with WideBand O2 but without FastTrack's custom harness was > $1660. If I'm not mistaking a unit without WBO2 can be had for around $1200. > The harness is costly at $550+ Thanks, it looks like their prices are finally coming down. Just over a 1-1/2 yrs ago, the full package with WBo2 was just under $3000, so this a lot lower. Great. Tnx Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 18 18:11:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA27290 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:11:51 -0700 Received: from m6.boston.juno.com (m6.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.69]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA27286 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:11:45 -0700 From: akallotte@juno.com Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"g0vRWKDOcSM2CGbQB/QsVgfvl9V3LrdvCkzeBKYbwVRSbkrVdJs11Q=="> Received: (from akallotte@juno.com) by m6.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F79SSKM7; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:11:43 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:03:28 -0400 Subject: Ford diesel info Message-ID: <20010618.210329.-289857.2.akallotte@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does anyone know where I can find info on Ford diesel tuning and ECMs? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 18 20:01:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28468 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:01:10 -0700 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA28464 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:01:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120] claimed to be albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0955.cvx36-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [216.244.21.190]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA21380 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:01:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Jorgen, How long does it take to tune in a new car motor setup from scratch (w/o a baseline tune)? Does not the speed pro setup have some kind of an auto tune w/the WBO2? thanks BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Jörgen Karlsson Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 9:35 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Hi, I have done some tuning with the speedpro. Do most of the tuning on the road, you only need a dyno after the ve table is finished. That is to find the correct target AFR and to optimize the ignition curve for your engine. It is a lot easier to listen to knock on the dyno then on the road. A good start is to get a map from a similar engine, then you change the displacement to that of your engine. Do the same thing with the injector size. This part is very important. First you have to set up the datalogging, unfortunally I have forgot all about this part. But aim for 15s logtime. Now you need to make sure that the 'dash' you use has all the parameters you need in the log. I find o2corr, o2, o2target, intake pressure and tps to be helpful. Go to the VE screen. Choose a dash that are suitable. Let the engine idle until it has warmed up. Then check how much the speedpro has to compensate at idle, 'o2 Corr' is what you look at. Mark the area where your engine idles and press '*' if the speedpro adds 15% then type 115 in the window that has come up. If it subtracts 15% then type85 in the window. Now it is time to do a pull at very low load. Go to the log screen, lock in second gear start the logger and drive at the same load until you dont want to rev it more. Take a quick look at the log, then go to the ve table again. Press 'o' (if i remember right) the log file is now traced on the map. When you follow the trace with the arrows the dash present the values in the log at that load site. Make any needed changes, make an other testrun at the same load. Make more corrections if needed. Then copy that row of VE data all the way to the top of the map. Now repeat the test run at the next load level, continue until you are at full load. Compensate where necessary. As long as you are withing +-7% correction you are ok, very fast cars need to get a bit closer. Good luck Jörgen Karlsson Gothenburg, Sweden. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 18 20:04:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA28559 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:04:16 -0700 Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA28553 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:04:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120] claimed to be albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0955.cvx36-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [216.244.21.190]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA06700 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:04:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org John, If you don't mind me asking why go through all the hassle for 20 HP on a truck? are you planning on putting a blower on it, or NOS or is this just a toy? just curious is all. BW ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 19 05:18:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA00418 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 05:18:15 -0700 Received: from firewall.etn.com (firewall.etn.com [151.110.127.15]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id FAA00414 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 05:18:09 -0700 Received: from [151.110.126.62] by firewall.etn.com via smtpd (for 209-79-244-250.dnbonline.com [209.79.244.250]) with SMTP; 19 Jun 2001 12:18:09 UT Received: by cleohsex02.etn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:18:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Shirley, Mark R" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: Ford diesel info Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:15:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org www.ford-diesel.com start there. > -----Original Message----- > From: akallotte@juno.com [mailto:akallotte@juno.com] > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 9:03 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Ford diesel info > > > Does anyone know where I can find info on Ford diesel tuning and ECMs? > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" > (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 19 06:49:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA01041 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 06:49:49 -0700 Received: from mailhost.fotowire.com (www.fotowire.com [164.128.77.42]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA01033 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 06:49:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host www.fotowire.com [164.128.77.42] claimed to be mailhost.fotowire.com Received: from xxl [212.47.181.19] by mailhost.fotowire.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A8732DD00DC; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:49:39 +0000 Message-ID: <047001c0f8c6$aef579b0$1401a8c0@gva.fotowire.com> From: "Axel Rietschin" To: References: Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:49:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org You can spend a few days just to start the engine :-) That said, everyone seems to worry mostly about fuel mapping, but in my own experience, this is by far the easiest and quickest part to do if you have the right tools (wide band O2). Auto-tune may save time, but you can do just as well without it. On the other hand, ignition mapping is extremely important performance-wise (much more than fuel mapping IMHO) and difficult - if not impossible - to get right on the road. It may be better to find a base map for a similar engine and step back a few degrees as a starting point. Also, "teaching" the engine good road manners, smooth idleing, good cold start and perfect throttle response may take a lot of time. --Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wooten" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 5:01 AM Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Jorgen, How long does it take to tune in a new car motor setup from scratch (w/o a baseline tune)? Does not the speed pro setup have some kind of an auto tune w/the WBO2? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 19 12:10:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA03131 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:10:38 -0700 Received: from smtp2.home.se (smtp2.home.se [195.66.35.201]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA03127 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:10:31 -0700 Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.66.71] by smtp1.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:07:18 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:15:19 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bob Wooten wrote: > Jorgen, > > How long does it take to tune in a new car motor setup from scratch (w/o a > baseline tune)? > > Does not the speed pro setup have some kind of an auto tune w/the WBO2? I think that I need 30 minutes to get the performance better then stock. Most of that time is for making the ignition, VE and AFR maps. Five minutes with the engine running is usually enough to pin the VE table. After that I need an EGT meter for the economy part. Then I use a gtech or similar device to find the best afr at full load. You can play around for hours to optimize the result, but after half an hour you are very close. There are no autotune on the speedpro, ONLY autronic has a working autotune. Autronic on the other hand is made to run open loop while the Speedpro is made to run closed loop all the time. When you are driving at a stable rpm and load you can press a button, I think it was E, to correct the current VE site with the O2 correction used at the time. This does not work... Jörgen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 19 14:12:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA03724 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:12:14 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f94.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.94]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA03720 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:12:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f94.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.94] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:11:38 -0700 Received: from 199.48.19.253 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:11:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.48.19.253] From: "John Walker" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:11:38 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2001 21:11:38.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DF7B6B0:01C0F904] Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Valid question Bob. They truck is pretty well modified currently. I enjoy drag racing, which is the truck's primary use and a nice weekend drive. So basically, it is a toy. :) I'm currrently running an ATI P600H supercharger with Intercooler, Precision Industries 3400 stall converter, 28" E/T streets, headers & exhaust, MSD 6BTM and Blaster 3, Trans-Go shift kit and a few other goodies. Electric fan and 14psi are coming with the speedpro. I reached a big hurdle in the project after I put in the converter and E/T streets. When I stall the truck up to about 2000K rpm (or anywhere between 1400 and 3000) and try to flash the converter and launch hard, the truck just flatlines. I verified that the timing was infact falling rapidly towards 0 degrees when this happens. I've spoken with one other person that is researching the same problem. It appears to be some form of torque management (i.e. too much engine speed, no vehicle speed cut spark advance) or something to that effect. I have tried many fixes but nothing has worked. On the flip side...an off idle launch around 800rpm will send the E/T streets into smoke. Unfortunatelly I have spoke to many people including a couple of active Chrysler race teams, computer programmers and no one can confirm the existance of torque management or the problem. I have made attempts to acquire an internal engineers contact info...but have had no luck. So...enter SpeedPro. My philosophy is that if the computer is making an active decision to cut timing....then SpeedPro will cure the problem since it will be making all Fuel and Timing decisions. I researched AutoTronic, Hal-Tech, Electromotive, SpeedPro, and Accell before making my final decision. SpeedPro was proven and the less intrusive harness was available. Besides the cost, I think it will work well. So...if I can race again...i've succeded. But a modest horsepower gain should be an added bonus. Plus heads and cam are next and that would surely throw the stock computer for a loop. Their are also a few hiccups the the Supercharger has introduced to the truck that the SpeedPro will fix (stock 1-bar incorrectly reads 30" of vaccum under boost causing a surge in part throttle accel). Plus I can ditch the FMU and run a constant fuel pressure and change pulse width with boost and rpm. If your interested in more details check out my website at http://www.DakotaRacing.com later, John >From: "Bob Wooten" >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >To: >Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:04:20 -0700 > >John, > >If you don't mind me asking why go through all the hassle for 20 HP on a >truck? are you planning on putting a blower on it, or NOS or is this just >a >toy? just curious is all. > >BW > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 19 15:19:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA04033 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:19:12 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04029 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:19:06 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.74]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010619221904.QQFL598.invictus@bruce> for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:19:04 -0400 Message-ID: <022601c0f90d$f33b1340$4a258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:19:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Jörgen Karlsson" > I think that I need 30 minutes to get the performance better then stock. Oh, please, be a little realistic, You might get a car running OK in 30 mins., but not at all like an oem calibration. What hot weather testing, cold weather testing, what various gasoline mixtures did you run?. Did you try winter gas in hot weather, or summer gas in cold weather?. "Performance" includes matters other then just WOT, and if you talking WOT then you might be specific about in that one area. Shall we even mention emissions?. Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 19 15:59:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA04681 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:59:32 -0700 Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04676 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:59:24 -0700 Received: from kris ([24.250.38.22]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010619225917.IJDZ15482.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@kris> for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:59:17 -0700 Message-ID: <017501c0f914$f8140e60$1626fa18@alntn1.tx.home.com> From: "Kris Weldy" To: References: <022601c0f90d$f33b1340$4a258fd1@bruce> Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:10:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Agreed! Your friend, Kris Weldy. Arlington Texas 1987 volvo 760ti,20psi,haltech f7c ,mk3 injectors and fuel pump many mods..(sold) 1988 supra turbo japan spec motor swap going in soon 1996 dodge avenger es "Racing makes a herion addiction seem like a vague wish for something salty" Peter Eagan Aim: Volvofam3 > > From: "Jörgen Karlsson" > > > I think that I need 30 minutes to get the performance better then stock. > > Oh, please, > be a little realistic, > You might get a car running OK in 30 mins., but not at all like an oem > calibration. What hot weather testing, cold weather testing, what various > gasoline mixtures did you run?. > Did you try winter gas in hot weather, or summer gas in cold weather?. > "Performance" includes matters other then just WOT, and if you talking WOT > then you might be specific about in that one area. > > Shall we even mention emissions?. > Bruce > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 19 18:16:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA06100 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:16:42 -0700 Received: from smtp2.home.se (smtp2.home.se [195.66.35.201]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA06096 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:16:35 -0700 Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.66.54] by smtp1.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:13:27 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:21:29 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <022601c0f90d$f33b1340$4a258fd1@bruce> Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Shall we even mention emissions?. Sorry about that, I assume a performance vehicle, emission equipment is an other ballgame. I don't think that the Speedpro is capable of controlling most of that stuff. Not even the cat will work as it is ment to, it reqires the rich/lean transitions during cruise. The speedpro has a stable AFR during closed loop. Other then that the warmup parameters will have to be adjusted when the weather show that it is needed. Things like getting a stable idle when you first put it into drive after a cold start has proven to be pretty hard on some cars. Very hard on the syclone, it had to sit for at least six hours between tests. One test per six hours is a bit time consuming. The syclone a truck that has run 11.7@130 and get 30mpg on the highway. The stroker engine that has replaced the old 4.3 is not tuned properly below atmosphere pressure. The cam is very different from the one that was used earlier. The speedpro hit the maximum correction of -20% at low rpm and +10% at high rpm. Two passes in second gear and three corrections, then the battery on the laptop went dead. Then we forgot about it and we only did high power tuning after that. Still 30mpg, that is a little better then stock, even if the truck has at least 400hp more then stock. The fun thing is that that program would probably enhance the performance and economy of a bone stock syclone or typhoon too, maybe even your GN? Many people would be satisfied with that combination of performance and economy, but not you, right? By the way, it passed emmisions with this program in it, very strange... Could full time closed loop really work? But of course, I'll say: At least one year, we have to do proper testing under all weather conditions. We will also have to find a very high mountain and all different fuel types used in the world. Then we have to run the engine until it is close to the end of its service life and check the tuning then. Then we use the least optimal tuning that we have used during all this time and lock that in the ecu and froget the access code. Yeah, I know, you meant to delete this offline... Jörgen, Back in reality. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 19 18:53:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA06424 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:53:44 -0700 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA06420 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:53:38 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0381.cvx26-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.223.126]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17690 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:53:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <047001c0f8c6$aef579b0$1401a8c0@gva.fotowire.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org There cant be anything better for a brand new motor than to crank & crank & crank on it cause it will not fire. BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Axel Rietschin Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 6:50 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning You can spend a few days just to start the engine :-) That said, everyone seems to worry mostly about fuel mapping, but in my own experience, this is by far the easiest and quickest part to do if you have the right tools (wide band O2). Auto-tune may save time, but you can do just as well without it. On the other hand, ignition mapping is extremely important performance-wise (much more than fuel mapping IMHO) and difficult - if not impossible - to get right on the road. It may be better to find a base map for a similar engine and step back a few degrees as a starting point. Also, "teaching" the engine good road manners, smooth idleing, good cold start and perfect throttle response may take a lot of time. --Axel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wooten" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 5:01 AM Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Jorgen, How long does it take to tune in a new car motor setup from scratch (w/o a baseline tune)? Does not the speed pro setup have some kind of an auto tune w/the WBO2? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 19 18:55:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA06464 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:55:15 -0700 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA06451 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:55:00 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0381.cvx26-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.223.126]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24224 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:54:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:55:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks for all the input. I think that for the race car I am going to see if we cant pull of a speedpro. I have to talk with the partners & see what they think. BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Jörgen Karlsson Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 12:15 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Bob Wooten wrote: > Jorgen, > > How long does it take to tune in a new car motor setup from scratch (w/o a > baseline tune)? > > Does not the speed pro setup have some kind of an auto tune w/the WBO2? I think that I need 30 minutes to get the performance better then stock. Most of that time is for making the ignition, VE and AFR maps. Five minutes with the engine running is usually enough to pin the VE table. After that I need an EGT meter for the economy part. Then I use a gtech or similar device to find the best afr at full load. You can play around for hours to optimize the result, but after half an hour you are very close. There are no autotune on the speedpro, ONLY autronic has a working autotune. Autronic on the other hand is made to run open loop while the Speedpro is made to run closed loop all the time. When you are driving at a stable rpm and load you can press a button, I think it was E, to correct the current VE site with the O2 correction used at the time. This does not work... Jörgen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 19 19:02:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA06534 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:02:17 -0700 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA06529 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:02:10 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0381.cvx26-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.223.126]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29380 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:02:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Boy, the mental picture of your truck just changed radically. This sounds like a great toy. Hope all goes well. have you tried talking with any of the turbo Regal guys (www.gnttype.org http://turbobuick.com/messagebd/)? my understanding is that there are a LOT of them running the SpeedPro. Good luck, let us know it goes. BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:12 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Valid question Bob. They truck is pretty well modified currently. I enjoy drag racing, which is the truck's primary use and a nice weekend drive. So basically, it is a toy. :) I'm currrently running an ATI P600H supercharger with Intercooler, Precision Industries 3400 stall converter, 28" E/T streets, headers & exhaust, MSD 6BTM and Blaster 3, Trans-Go shift kit and a few other goodies. Electric fan and 14psi are coming with the speedpro. I reached a big hurdle in the project after I put in the converter and E/T streets. When I stall the truck up to about 2000K rpm (or anywhere between 1400 and 3000) and try to flash the converter and launch hard, the truck just flatlines. I verified that the timing was infact falling rapidly towards 0 degrees when this happens. I've spoken with one other person that is researching the same problem. It appears to be some form of torque management (i.e. too much engine speed, no vehicle speed cut spark advance) or something to that effect. I have tried many fixes but nothing has worked. On the flip side...an off idle launch around 800rpm will send the E/T streets into smoke. Unfortunatelly I have spoke to many people including a couple of active Chrysler race teams, computer programmers and no one can confirm the existance of torque management or the problem. I have made attempts to acquire an internal engineers contact info...but have had no luck. So...enter SpeedPro. My philosophy is that if the computer is making an active decision to cut timing....then SpeedPro will cure the problem since it will be making all Fuel and Timing decisions. I researched AutoTronic, Hal-Tech, Electromotive, SpeedPro, and Accell before making my final decision. SpeedPro was proven and the less intrusive harness was available. Besides the cost, I think it will work well. So...if I can race again...i've succeded. But a modest horsepower gain should be an added bonus. Plus heads and cam are next and that would surely throw the stock computer for a loop. Their are also a few hiccups the the Supercharger has introduced to the truck that the SpeedPro will fix (stock 1-bar incorrectly reads 30" of vaccum under boost causing a surge in part throttle accel). Plus I can ditch the FMU and run a constant fuel pressure and change pulse width with boost and rpm. If your interested in more details check out my website at http://www.DakotaRacing.com later, John >From: "Bob Wooten" >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >To: >Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:04:20 -0700 > >John, > >If you don't mind me asking why go through all the hassle for 20 HP on a >truck? are you planning on putting a blower on it, or NOS or is this just >a >toy? just curious is all. > >BW > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 19 20:29:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA07237 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:29:31 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA07233 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:29:25 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.173]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010620032923.RXRD598.invictus@bruce> for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:29:23 -0400 Message-ID: <006701c0f939$4d2b2860$ad0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:30:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Jörgen Karlsson" Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning > > Shall we even mention emissions?. > Sorry about that, I assume a performance vehicle, emission equipment is an > other ballgame. I don't think that the Speedpro is capable of controlling > most of that stuff. Not even the cat will work as it is ment to, it reqires > the rich/lean transitions during cruise. The speedpro has a stable AFR > during closed loop. Yet below, you said it did. So it kinda sorta passes?. No CCP control No EGR > Other then that the warmup parameters will have to be adjusted when the > weather show that it is needed. Things like getting a stable idle when you > first put it into drive after a cold start has proven to be pretty hard on > some cars. Very hard on the syclone, it had to sit for at least six hours > between tests. One test per six hours is a bit time consuming. > The syclone a truck that has run 11.7@130 and get 30mpg on the highway. The > stroker engine that has replaced the old 4.3 is not tuned properly below > atmosphere pressure. The cam is very different from the one that was used > earlier. The speedpro hit the maximum correction of -20% at low rpm and +10% > at high rpm. Two passes in second gear and three corrections, then the > battery on the laptop went dead. Then we forgot about it and we only did > high power tuning after that. Still 30mpg, that is a little better then > stock, even if the truck has at least 400hp more then stock. The fun thing > is that that program would probably enhance the performance and economy of a > bone stock syclone or typhoon too, maybe even your GN? Please explain how, it could function any better?. Since you've pointed me out. I have the proper drivers for the P+H injectors, and a lean cruise. Now to split hairs, I have a Translator Plus so I can change timing on the fly, and fuel on the fly without even needing a laptop. With my Scanmaster I can monitor any parameter on the ALDL link. With my Direct Scan I can record 18 frames a second, if I want to hook up a laptop for datalogging. Also, a boost controller for on the fly wastegate control. While to add them all up gets into some money, but I've just done one at a time as funds permit. I can run closed loop, open loop, open loop idle. Anti-theft, launch from stand still rpm control. Control the CCP, EGR, TCC. Can do the catalytic converter rich lean cycle. I can run my version of antilag. I can trim fuel by TPS or VSS Prior to getting the lean cruise, in normal driving got 25.6, and that included some fun moments. > Many people would be > satisfied with that combination of performance and economy, but not you, > right? It's acceptable, but what's your point?. Speedpro has it's place just as well as others do. But it's no miracle. I just took exception to your statement of in 30 mins could out perform a oem ecm. > By the way, it passed emmisions with this program in it, very > strange... An abbreviated one. Just no way for it to pass the full oem testing the EPA requires. >Could full time closed loop really work? Of course, Honda has been doing it for years, and with full emissions compliance. > But of course, I'll say: At least one year, we have to do proper testing > under all weather conditions. We will also have to find a very high mountain > and all different fuel types used in the world. Then we have to run the > engine until it is close to the end of its service life and check the tuning > then. Then we use the least optimal tuning that we have used during all this > time and lock that in the ecu and froget the access code. You're the one that made the claim. You got a race car and the bucks, a SpeedPro can be a nice ecm. Want to run P+Hs for port injection, it's one of only a few that can. Simple laptop programming, again fine. > Yeah, I know, you meant to delete this offline... Na, you missed the point on when I use that remark Bruce > Jörgen, > Back in reality. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 10:16:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA10855 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:16:35 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA10837; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:14:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id MAA27909; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:14:37 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma027907; Wed, 20 Jun 01 12:14:00 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28007; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:14:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B30D8E8.7084F7A8@arm.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:10:00 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi , efi_332 Subject: Be famous among gearheads! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Anyone seen the miata list archives? They're threaded, so that after a search turns up a post you can browse forwards and backwards in related messages. I'd like to set up something similar for the 3 diy_efi lists. I was in contact with the miata list guy (Andy) a while ago, and he said he'd send me his scripts, but I haven't been able to reach him lately. But no matter, there are smart people on this list! We should be able to duplicate it. There are 2 parts to it: There is a script that is subscribed to the list, that receives messages, figures out the threading, formats them into html including links to previous and next thread messages, and saves that somewhere. Then there's a generic html search engine that indexes and searches this archive. The miata list uses Glimpse. I can get/compile/install Glimpse (that's the easy part). But the other part is beyond my limited knowledge of scripts/email. Is there a volunteer or group of volunteers who could get together and write this script? It's going to be a significant project so please make sure you have the time and ability before signing up. If you're interested please reply privately to my email address below. thanks, --steve -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 10:52:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA11458 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:52:05 -0700 Received: from out3.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (out3.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.79]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11454 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:51:56 -0700 Received: from earth.execpc.com (dweezil@earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by out3.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5KHPc607444 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:25:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dweezil@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.9.0) id MAA29486 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:51:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:51:51 -0500 From: Andrew S Mehlos To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Mitsubishi diagnostic port Message-ID: <20010620125151.A25097@earth.execpc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3us Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does anyone have any information(*) on the diagnostic port used on 90-94 Eclipse/Talon/Laser (And pre-'94 Stealths/ 3000GT's, IIRC.) I'm trying to build a monitoring project with a PIC and a 20x4 LCD display. AFAICT, it's just a 1-wire interface. After days of searching, there doesn't seem to be much of _anything_ on the diagnostic ports on these cars in terms of information. (I'm familiar with TMO's Datalogger, but it's not really what I'm looking for, since it requires a laptop running Windows, and I've got this spiffy LCD display anyways.) (Apologies if this is considered off-topic for the DIY-EFI list, but it's really the closest thing I could find.) (*) Any info at all appreciated; just having concrete information on the voltage levels and timing info would be tremendous help at this point. -- Andrew S. Mehlos |finger dweezil@execpc.com for PGP key ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 11:27:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA11939 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:27:11 -0700 Received: from siaar1ab.compuserve.com (siaar1ab.compuserve.com [149.174.40.10]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11935 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:27:05 -0700 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaar1ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id SAA08710 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from HOMEXXL (fra-pci-lai-vty73.as.wcom.net [212.211.70.73]) by siaar1ab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with SMTP id SAA08598 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002601c0f912$cc8e0180$4946d3d4@HOMEXXL> From: "Axel Rietschin" To: References: <022601c0f90d$f33b1340$4a258fd1@bruce> Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:54:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >Shall we even mention emissions?. ...I forgot that one :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 12:04:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA12285 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:04:57 -0700 Received: from mail5.kscable.com (fe5.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.52]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA12279; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:04:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host fe5.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.52] claimed to be mail5.kscable.com Received: from haggard ([65.26.174.32]) by mail5.kscable.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:04:38 -0500 From: "David & Cheryl Haggard" To: , "'diy_efi'" , "'efi_332'" Subject: RE: Be famous among gearheads! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:04:46 -0500 Message-ID: <003201c0f9bb$e005c910$20ae1a41@haggard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3B30D8E8.7084F7A8@arm.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In the meantime, if you use Microsoft Outlook for email-- Pull down the "View" menu Choose "Current View > By Conversation Topic" Voila! Conversations sorted by thread! Not sure, but I think Outlook Express does the same thing. Dave Haggard 1988 Formula Firebird 305 2 X 2-bbl CFI (under construction) http://www.newcovenant.com/firebird/ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-gmecm@diy-efi.org > [mailto:owner-gmecm@diy-efi.org]On Behalf > Of steve ravet > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 12:10 PM > To: gmecm@diy-efi.org; diy_efi; efi_332 > Subject: Be famous among gearheads! > > > Anyone seen the miata list archives? They're threaded, so > that after a > search turns up a post you can browse forwards and backwards > in related > messages. I'd like to set up something similar for the 3 diy_efi > lists. I was in contact with the miata list guy (Andy) a > while ago, and > he said he'd send me his scripts, but I haven't been able to reach him > lately. But no matter, there are smart people on this list! > We should > be able to duplicate it. There are 2 parts to it: > > There is a script that is subscribed to the list, that receives > messages, figures out the threading, formats them into html including > links to previous and next thread messages, and saves that > somewhere. > > Then there's a generic html search engine that indexes and > searches this > archive. The miata list uses Glimpse. > > I can get/compile/install Glimpse (that's the easy part). > But the other > part is beyond my limited knowledge of scripts/email. Is there a > volunteer or group of volunteers who could get together and write this > script? It's going to be a significant project so please > make sure you > have the time and ability before signing up. If you're interested > please reply privately to my email address below. > > thanks, > --steve > > -- > Steve Ravet > steve.ravet@arm.com > ARM,Inc. > www.arm.com > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > To unsubscribe from gmecm, send "unsubscribe gmecm" (without > the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 15:08:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA14374 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:08:48 -0700 Received: from smtp1.home.se (smtp1.home.se [195.66.35.200]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA14369 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:08:40 -0700 Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.66.157] by smtp2.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:05:27 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:13:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006701c0f939$4d2b2860$ad0ac9d8@bruce> Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi Bruce, I admit it, your GN was a bad example. But maybe one that has similar mechanic parts could benefit from the program. The emmissions testing over here is a bit different, they check the emmissions and that the EGR vavle is still there. I have been told that the maximum values are pretty strict by international standards, but they don't usually do a component check. Since the syclone is a private import the component check is not a problem, if the modifications was done when it was in the US they are legal. The manufacturers has to make a lot of tradeoffs to make the car work under any circumstance, that is what makes it possible for us to get added performance with simple modifications. A few of my friends work at the engine lab at volvo, they find it very amusing to spend hours listening to knock and checking in cylinder pressure plots. Then they pull a few degrees of the curve they used in the worst test engine and deliver it to final testing. During the last years the tolerances between the engines have been worked on a lot, some of volvos cars have hand ported heads and intakes from the factory to stay within spec. Wide band o2 is required to meet the highest emission standards today. These cars can still be inproved but they require a lot more work then the older cars, the electronics compensate for almost everything. And I don’t have a race car and the money, I only tune the beast. I am very slowly building a turbocharged Audi 80 for myself, I went with autronic on that car. It takes me ages to get money for everything. Jörgen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 16:02:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA15290 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:02:59 -0700 Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA15274 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:02:37 -0700 Received: from adsl-dynamic38-181.detroit.mi.ameritech.net (HELO C464161A) (64.108.247.181) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 23:02:32 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <007201c0f9de$7b26f320$b5f76c40@C464161A> From: "Matt Beaubien" To: , , "'efi_332'" References: <003201c0f9bb$e005c910$20ae1a41@haggard> Subject: Re: Be famous among gearheads! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:12:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Dave, Thanks for the tip! I've been trying to figure this out for ages. Next question. I tried deleting a collapsed conversation and it came up with a warning. I clicked on "no" when prompted if I wanted to delete all the messages. Unfortuantely I had "Don't ask me again" checked as well. I want to be able to delete entire threads without reading. How do I change it??? Anyone know? Thanks again, Matt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Cheryl Haggard" To: ; "'diy_efi'" ; "'efi_332'" Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: RE: Be famous among gearheads! > In the meantime, if you use Microsoft Outlook for email-- > Pull down the "View" menu > Choose "Current View > By Conversation Topic" > > Voila! Conversations sorted by thread! > Not sure, but I think Outlook Express does the same thing. > > Dave Haggard > 1988 Formula Firebird > 305 2 X 2-bbl CFI (under construction) > http://www.newcovenant.com/firebird/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-gmecm@diy-efi.org > > [mailto:owner-gmecm@diy-efi.org]On Behalf > > Of steve ravet > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 12:10 PM > > To: gmecm@diy-efi.org; diy_efi; efi_332 > > Subject: Be famous among gearheads! > > > > > > Anyone seen the miata list archives? They're threaded, so > > that after a > > search turns up a post you can browse forwards and backwards > > in related > > messages. I'd like to set up something similar for the 3 diy_efi > > lists. I was in contact with the miata list guy (Andy) a > > while ago, and > > he said he'd send me his scripts, but I haven't been able to reach him > > lately. But no matter, there are smart people on this list! > > We should > > be able to duplicate it. There are 2 parts to it: > > > > There is a script that is subscribed to the list, that receives > > messages, figures out the threading, formats them into html including > > links to previous and next thread messages, and saves that > > somewhere. > > > > Then there's a generic html search engine that indexes and > > searches this > > archive. The miata list uses Glimpse. > > > > I can get/compile/install Glimpse (that's the easy part). > > But the other > > part is beyond my limited knowledge of scripts/email. Is there a > > volunteer or group of volunteers who could get together and write this > > script? It's going to be a significant project so please > > make sure you > > have the time and ability before signing up. If you're interested > > please reply privately to my email address below. > > > > thanks, > > --steve > > > > -- > > Steve Ravet > > steve.ravet@arm.com > > ARM,Inc. > > www.arm.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------- > > To unsubscribe from gmecm, send "unsubscribe gmecm" (without > > the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 16:27:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA15603 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:27:46 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA15599 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:27:38 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsoXBa09Io+lZH9Tq+OtupYz4yvMVmerpvw=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F8ERK8ZQ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:26:59 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:30:51 -0700 Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Message-ID: <20010620.163052.242.2.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,14-15,26-27,29-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:13:31 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= writes: > And I don’t have a race car and the money, I only tune the beast. Hi Jörgen, I personally would like to hear anything more about your experience with the SpeedPro as you do this tuning for the project you are working on. Much of what you will run into is certainly going to increase the group's understanding (and mine) of tuning, especially using WB. (I want to know if it's worth building one :). I'm sorry to say that it seems most of the people that pop up in these lists when they start out with the SpeedPro, just disappear and we don't get to hear any more about their learning process. That's too bad. I wonder if anyone remembers like I do from past posts, about a guy that was using a SpeedPro, but noticed it getting thrown off by bogus situations like, a plug wire breaks, that cylinder stops firing, the HC's in the exhaust header rise, fooling the SEFI8LO into thinking it is too rich, so it trys to compensate, leading to a dangerous leanment for the engine overall? I'm trying to find that in my lurk-days saved posts. I remember it real clear. Scared me. This guy was IIRC saying that once dialed in, that open-loop WOT fueling was much safer, because it wouldn' t be put off by some bogus AFR indication. I don't know enough about these things to tell if this was an important observation, or a fluke that didn't matter. You will mebe be able to answer this and other questions for us duffers if you keep reporting on your experiences. Soooo, please DO!! Brian L. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 18:31:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA16288 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:31:10 -0700 Received: from smtp1.home.se (smtp1.home.se [195.66.35.200]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA16283 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:31:03 -0700 Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.66.157] by smtp2.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 03:27:56 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 03:35:59 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010620.163052.242.2.blocklm@juno.com> Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > I wonder if anyone remembers like I do from past posts, about a guy that > was using a SpeedPro, but noticed it getting thrown off by bogus > situations like, a plug wire breaks, that cylinder stops firing, the HC's > in the exhaust header rise, fooling the SEFI8LO into thinking it is too > rich, so it trys to compensate, leading to a dangerous leanment for the > engine overall? I have had my chare of broken plug wires, it haven’t caused any big problems for the speedpro. That is strange since the revlimiter makes a mess. Detonation on the other hand is a big problem, the reading are all over the place when that happens. If the o2correction is big when this happens there can be a nasty oscillation. The biggest problems occur when the next shift occurs before the oscillation has ended. When we had a problem with overrun on first gear there was often a detonation when the second gear dropped in (what do I expect with tree trigger pulses per rpm?). The overrun often caused the wrong mixture, then the detonation came and messed things up further. The oscillation continued for a second or so, but third gear came in before the oscillation was over most of the time. If the mixture was lean then there could be a detonation right after the shift of the same reason as there often was a detonation at the first to second gear shift. For the o2 to work the rev limiter must be soft touch fuel, since sequential injection is needed for this and I don’t think that even the sequential speedpro can do this there is a problem. The revlimiter must not be tripped at any cost. If it is you must run open loop. We did some experimenting with an antilag system before we installed the speedpro, when we first activated it after intalling the speedpro the engine didn’t respond as planned ;) We just weren’t thinking. One other problem is that the speedpro assume that the current o2 correction is correct after the shift too. Lets say that we blindly follow the +-7%rule. At 4000rpm the correcton add 7% fuel and at the shift at 5500 it subtract 7%. After the shift the ecu will make the mixture 14% to lean, that is not good. As long as there is not a detonation because of this the mixture will be back where it belong a quarter of a second later, but if it detonates we could have a problem. I think that the engine acceleration is the problem, when the car shift more then once a second closed loop does not work that well. I will probably tune a turbo civic next month, I wonder how it works with an engine that is extremely sensitive to mixture variations. A manual transmission will also be interesting. Jörgen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 20:00:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA16794 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:00:43 -0700 Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.23]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA16790 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:00:27 -0700 Received: from z28tt (ool-18bc9f57.dyn.optonline.net [24.188.159.87]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with SMTP id <0GF900HLQF021P@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 22:58:39 -0400 From: Andris Skulte Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning In-reply-to: To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > A few of my friends work at the engine lab at volvo, they find it very > amusing to spend hours listening to knock and checking in > cylinder pressure > plots. Have any of you ever used the Optrand PSI-plug pressure transducers (http://www.optrand.com)? They take your spark plug, EDM a small passage and add a fitting for the optical sensor. The transducers have ranges from 0-70, 100, or 200 bar, and are linear for a 50kHz response with a 0.5 to 5V output. The price is still expensive for DIY'ers, but not unobtainable like Kistler's. Optrand charges $200us for the plug machining, and $600ish for the conditioning module/fiber/sensor. I'd like to get a PCMCIA data acquisition card for some testing (basic pressures and temperatures, I figure an 8 channel 12 bit 100k would fit the bill). Are there any recommendations? I'm not super familiar with this, as I've just used the generic setups in the school control systems lab a few years ago. ------------------ Andris Skulte Skulte Performance Designs Z28tt-89 IROC T56 DFI Twin Turbo http://www.skulte.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 20:14:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA16904 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:14:43 -0700 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA16900 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:14:37 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0602.cvx26-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.152.92]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20445 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:14:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:14:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org what is overrun? BW ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 20:28:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17019 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:28:45 -0700 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17000; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:27:20 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0602.cvx26-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.152.92]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12257; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: , , "efi_332" Subject: RE: Be famous among gearheads! Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:27:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <3B30D8E8.7084F7A8@arm.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On the flip side of this subject, has anyone seen the Ultimate BB software? The 2nd Gen Camaro site uses it (among others) & it has a double boat load of great features. two of the features that I like the best is that all I have to do is to be on the WWW to access it. & the other is the search ability. I think that the down side to this though is $$$$. I travel a bunch for my company & this makes keeping up with my hobby, very convenient. If you have not checked it out please do. Others have thoughts on it? BW 3rd Gen Camaro BB http://www.thirdgen.org/cgi-bin/messgboard/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassC ookie=true 2nd Gen Camaro BB http://www.nastyz28.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of steve ravet Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:10 AM To: gmecm@diy-efi.org; diy_efi; efi_332 Subject: Be famous among gearheads! Anyone seen the miata list archives? They're threaded, so that after a search turns up a post you can browse forwards and backwards in related messages. I'd like to set up something similar for the 3 diy_efi lists. I was in contact with the miata list guy (Andy) a while ago, and he said he'd send me his scripts, but I haven't been able to reach him lately. But no matter, there are smart people on this list! We should be able to duplicate it. There are 2 parts to it: There is a script that is subscribed to the list, that receives messages, figures out the threading, formats them into html including links to previous and next thread messages, and saves that somewhere. Then there's a generic html search engine that indexes and searches this archive. The miata list uses Glimpse. I can get/compile/install Glimpse (that's the easy part). But the other part is beyond my limited knowledge of scripts/email. Is there a volunteer or group of volunteers who could get together and write this script? It's going to be a significant project so please make sure you have the time and ability before signing up. If you're interested please reply privately to my email address below. thanks, --steve -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 20:47:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17454 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:47:54 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17449 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:47:47 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.41.132]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010621034745.XALI598.invictus@bruce> for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:47:45 -0400 Message-ID: <009c01c0fa05$0adcd900$8429c9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:48:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Any time you lift off of the gas Bruce From: "Bob Wooten" > what is overrun? > BW > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 20:50:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA17522 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:50:20 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17515 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:50:09 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.41.132]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010621035008.XARL598.invictus@bruce> for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:50:08 -0400 Message-ID: <00a201c0fa05$5fda5ae0$8429c9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:50:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Talk about voices from the past. Hi there Bruce From: "Andris Skulte" > > A few of my friends work at the engine lab at volvo, they find it very > > amusing to spend hours listening to knock and checking in > > cylinder pressure > > plots. > Have any of you ever used the Optrand PSI-plug pressure transducers > (http://www.optrand.com)? They take your spark plug, EDM a small passage and > add a fitting for the optical sensor. The transducers have ranges from > 0-70, 100, or 200 bar, and are linear for a 50kHz response with a 0.5 to 5V > output. The price is still expensive for DIY'ers, but not unobtainable like > Kistler's. Optrand charges $200us for the plug machining, and $600ish for > the conditioning module/fiber/sensor. I'd like to get a PCMCIA data > acquisition card for some testing (basic pressures and temperatures, I > figure an 8 channel 12 bit 100k would fit the bill). Are there any > recommendations? I'm not super familiar with this, as I've just used the > generic setups in the school control systems lab a few years ago. > Andris Skulte > Skulte Performance Designs > Z28tt-89 IROC T56 DFI Twin Turbo > http://www.skulte.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 20 21:38:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA18284 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:38:28 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA18280 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:38:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:37:40 -0400 Received: from [206.15.142.144] by grolen.com id 4e50.wrk; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:39:10 EDT Message-ID: <3B317A14.36830FC7@grolen.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:37:40 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Jörgen Karlsson wrote: > During the last years the tolerances > between the engines have been worked on a lot, some of volvos cars have hand > ported heads and intakes from the factory to stay within spec. Wide band o2 > is required to meet the highest emission standards today. Any way to confirm these sensors are a Bosch LSU 4? I worked on a 1999 Volvo V70 2.4L turbo yesterday which appeared to have an LSU4 wide band, but I was unable to see the numbers on the sensor and I was unwilling to risk damaging the threads to find out. Shannen > It takes me ages to get money for everything. Ayup. I agree. > > Jörgen > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 21 05:21:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA20130 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 05:21:03 -0700 Received: from advantekexch01.advan-tek.com ([146.145.24.116]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id FAA20126 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 05:20:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [146.145.24.116] claimed to be advantekexch01.advan-tek.com Received: by ADVANTEKEXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:17:16 -0400 Message-ID: <796F43FD3E3FD511B78C00902785BE7A02C7F9@ADVANTEKEXCH01> From: Stephen Andersen To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:17:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm new to the list and this is my first post, so be nice to me please!!! I have been looking at PCMCIA cards for data acquisition and the news is not good. Basically I have been finding that a decent entry level card is going to run $450-$700 depending on number of channels and bits. At some level, for what I am working on, it is a "gotta have", but the dollars are starting to add up fast!!! Steve Stephen M. Andersen, P.E. (302) 326-6405 Technical Director FAX (302) 326-6401 AdvanTek International, LLC Cell (302) 547-9842 56 Read's Way andersen@Advan-Tek.com New Castle, DE 19720 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Andris Skulte > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:59 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning > > > > A few of my friends work at the engine lab at volvo, they > find it very > > amusing to spend hours listening to knock and checking in > > cylinder pressure > > plots. > > Have any of you ever used the Optrand PSI-plug pressure transducers > (http://www.optrand.com)? They take your spark plug, EDM a > small passage and > add a fitting for the optical sensor. The transducers have > ranges from > 0-70, 100, or 200 bar, and are linear for a 50kHz response > with a 0.5 to 5V > output. The price is still expensive for DIY'ers, but not > unobtainable like > Kistler's. Optrand charges $200us for the plug machining, and > $600ish for > the conditioning module/fiber/sensor. I'd like to get a PCMCIA data > acquisition card for some testing (basic pressures and temperatures, I > figure an 8 channel 12 bit 100k would fit the bill). Are there any > recommendations? I'm not super familiar with this, as I've > just used the > generic setups in the school control systems lab a few years ago. > > ------------------ > Andris Skulte > Skulte Performance Designs > Z28tt-89 IROC T56 DFI Twin Turbo > http://www.skulte.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" > (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 21 06:37:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA21180 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:37:49 -0700 Received: from Mail6.triad.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA21175 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:37:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53] claimed to be Mail6.triad.rr.com Received: from markrile ([24.163.29.21]) by Mail6.triad.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:37:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c0fa57$de79d900$151da318@triad.rr.com> From: "Mark S. Riley" To: References: <796F43FD3E3FD511B78C00902785BE7A02C7F9@ADVANTEKEXCH01> Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:41:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org the difference between the men and the boys is the price of the toys. always has been, always will be. If it didn't cost a little more than was comfortable, would it be as much fun? :)) later, Mark...... out looking for a few sponsors for the latest toy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Andersen" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:17 AM Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning > I'm new to the list and this is my first > post, so be nice to me please!!! > > I have been looking at PCMCIA cards for data > acquisition and the news is not good. > Basically I have been finding that a decent > entry level card is going to run $450-$700 depending > on number of channels and bits. > > At some level, for what I am working on, it is > a "gotta have", but the dollars are starting to > add up fast!!! > > Steve > > Stephen M. Andersen, P.E. (302) 326-6405 > Technical Director FAX (302) 326-6401 > AdvanTek International, LLC Cell (302) 547-9842 > 56 Read's Way andersen@Advan-Tek.com > New Castle, DE 19720 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > > Behalf Of Andris Skulte > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:59 PM > > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning > > > > > > > A few of my friends work at the engine lab at volvo, they > > find it very > > > amusing to spend hours listening to knock and checking in > > > cylinder pressure > > > plots. > > > > Have any of you ever used the Optrand PSI-plug pressure transducers > > (http://www.optrand.com)? They take your spark plug, EDM a > > small passage and > > add a fitting for the optical sensor. The transducers have > > ranges from > > 0-70, 100, or 200 bar, and are linear for a 50kHz response > > with a 0.5 to 5V > > output. The price is still expensive for DIY'ers, but not > > unobtainable like > > Kistler's. Optrand charges $200us for the plug machining, and > > $600ish for > > the conditioning module/fiber/sensor. I'd like to get a PCMCIA data > > acquisition card for some testing (basic pressures and temperatures, I > > figure an 8 channel 12 bit 100k would fit the bill). Are there any > > recommendations? I'm not super familiar with this, as I've > > just used the > > generic setups in the school control systems lab a few years ago. > > > > ------------------ > > Andris Skulte > > Skulte Performance Designs > > Z28tt-89 IROC T56 DFI Twin Turbo > > http://www.skulte.com > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" > > (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 21 07:13:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA21413 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:13:33 -0700 Received: from mailhost.fotowire.com (www.fotowire.com [164.128.77.42]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA21404 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:13:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host www.fotowire.com [164.128.77.42] claimed to be mailhost.fotowire.com Received: from xxl [212.47.181.19] by mailhost.fotowire.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A0F337B00F8; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:13:07 +0000 Message-ID: <004201c0fa5c$4ae327f0$1401a8c0@gva.fotowire.com> From: "Axel Rietschin" To: References: Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:13:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Wow... if you have 14% sweep during shifts and 250ms response time, wrong mixture correction in ALS and rev limiter situations and a closed-loop controller that oscillate up to a second (I'm not sure I understood correctly) I'd suggest not using closed loop WBO2 with this ECU for anything but dyno tuning. That said, a misfire will always read lean. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jörgen Karlsson" To: Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 3:35 AM Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning > I wonder if anyone remembers like I do from past posts, about a guy that > was using a SpeedPro, but noticed it getting thrown off by bogus > situations like, a plug wire breaks, that cylinder stops firing, the HC's > in the exhaust header rise, fooling the SEFI8LO into thinking it is too > rich, so it trys to compensate, leading to a dangerous leanment for the > engine overall? I have had my chare of broken plug wires, it haven't caused any big problems for the speedpro. That is strange since the revlimiter makes a mess. Detonation on the other hand is a big problem, the reading are all over the place when that happens. If the o2correction is big when this happens there can be a nasty oscillation. The biggest problems occur when the next shift occurs before the oscillation has ended. When we had a problem with overrun on first gear there was often a detonation when the second gear dropped in (what do I expect with tree trigger pulses per rpm?). The overrun often caused the wrong mixture, then the detonation came and messed things up further. The oscillation continued for a second or so, but third gear came in before the oscillation was over most of the time. If the mixture was lean then there could be a detonation right after the shift of the same reason as there often was a detonation at the first to second gear shift. For the o2 to work the rev limiter must be soft touch fuel, since sequential injection is needed for this and I don't think that even the sequential speedpro can do this there is a problem. The revlimiter must not be tripped at any cost. If it is you must run open loop. We did some experimenting with an antilag system before we installed the speedpro, when we first activated it after intalling the speedpro the engine didn't respond as planned ;) We just weren't thinking. One other problem is that the speedpro assume that the current o2 correction is correct after the shift too. Lets say that we blindly follow the +-7%rule. At 4000rpm the correcton add 7% fuel and at the shift at 5500 it subtract 7%. After the shift the ecu will make the mixture 14% to lean, that is not good. As long as there is not a detonation because of this the mixture will be back where it belong a quarter of a second later, but if it detonates we could have a problem. I think that the engine acceleration is the problem, when the car shift more then once a second closed loop does not work that well. I will probably tune a turbo civic next month, I wonder how it works with an engine that is extremely sensitive to mixture variations. A manual transmission will also be interesting. Jörgen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 21 07:23:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA21538 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:23:22 -0700 Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com ([199.74.158.61]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA21532 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:23:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [199.74.158.61] claimed to be mail.verizonwireless.com Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com by mail.verizonwireless.com (414/1100) with ESMTP id f5LED2k26647 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqbedigwy2.corp.bam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:21:05 -0400 Message-ID: <19D424DA3941D41189DE0008C7EB79DB0152B752@hqbedex3.corp.bam.com> From: "Flanagan, Steve" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: Pressure sensors???? Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:22:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I am looking to put a pressure sensor on the exhaust side of my turbo and also on the Comp side of the turbo before my intercooler. I do not want to pay my data recorder company top dollar for one of his sensors ($140 TO $190 / SENSOR). Does anyone have any info on reliable and cost efficient pressure sensors. Figure I will need at least a 40-50 PSI sensor on the comp side and on the exhaust side, probably need a 100 PSI sensor to be safe, not sure what kind of back pressure exists but better off with a bigger scale then too small. My data recorder has a 0-4 V (analog) input. Thanks, SF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 21 07:58:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA29220 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:58:15 -0700 Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.14]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA29209 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:57:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host dc-mx04.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.14] claimed to be dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net Received: from [24.159.19.30] (HELO areszy92e2m2to) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 9951708 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:43:31 -0400 From: "David Gregory" To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:37:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <796F43FD3E3FD511B78C00902785BE7A02C7F9@ADVANTEKEXCH01> Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Well, i've no direct experience with either of these, but they might be worth a try http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/data/ck2000.htm this a kit made by a company in australia here: http://kitsrus.com/kits.html#k118 you can download the software to run with the unit and try it out. and this an already assembled unit that seems to be very similar, but more $$$ http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/cgi-bin/commerce.exe?preadd=action&key=ADC1 1 perhaps the software would be better on the more "comercial" unit... but i'm not sure. the company that makes the unit is in the UK, and they offer downloads too: http://www.picotech.com/data-acquisition.html you can order it direct and shipping might come out cheaper... but it might take a while too with the economy shipping from UK. I hope that helps david -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Stephen Andersen Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 7:17 AM To: 'diy_efi@diy-efi.org' Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning I'm new to the list and this is my first post, so be nice to me please!!! I have been looking at PCMCIA cards for data acquisition and the news is not good. Basically I have been finding that a decent entry level card is going to run $450-$700 depending on number of channels and bits. At some level, for what I am working on, it is a "gotta have", but the dollars are starting to add up fast!!! Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 21 08:18:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA29706 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:18:43 -0700 Received: from ns3.cybersol.com ([209.172.21.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA29702 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:18:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [209.172.21.6] claimed to be ns3.cybersol.com Received: from alfred (unverified [209.172.23.13]) by ns3.cybersol.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:18:23 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010621111348.007058f0@smtp.cybersol.com> X-Sender: btisdale@smtp.cybersol.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:13:48 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Barry Tisdale Subject: Re: Pressure sensors???? In-Reply-To: <19D424DA3941D41189DE0008C7EB79DB0152B752@hqbedex3.corp.bam .com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I used just a fuel pressure gauge tapped into the turbine inlet - you might try an oil pressure or fuel pressure sender - range is right. 3 bar MAP sensor would work, too, at least up to 30#. Use enough copper tubing so's hot stuff does not get to the sender or gauge. Back pressure (exhaust) *may* exceed 2.5x boost pressure, should run more like slightly over boost pressure. My readings were just 'eyeballed', not datalogged. Barry At 10:22 AM 6/21/01 -0400, Flanagan, Steve wrote: >I am looking to put a pressure sensor on the exhaust side of my turbo and >also on the Comp side of the turbo before my intercooler. I do not want to >pay my data recorder company top dollar for one of his sensors ($140 TO >$190 / SENSOR). > >Does anyone have any info on reliable and cost efficient pressure sensors. >Figure I will >need at least a 40-50 PSI sensor on the comp side and on the exhaust side, >probably need a 100 PSI sensor to be safe, not sure what kind of back >pressure exists but better off with a bigger scale then too small. > >My data recorder has a 0-4 V (analog) input. > >Thanks, > > >SF >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 21 15:02:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA32618 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:02:03 -0700 Received: from mailrelay.wcox.com (wcmail2.wcox.com [63.165.194.29]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA32614 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:01:57 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host wcmail2.wcox.com [63.165.194.29] claimed to be mailrelay.wcox.com Subject: FI virgin - New project Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:01:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: <1F6E720366697F4EA55178E0311F2BAE4A06@wcmail2.wcox.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Topic: FI virgin - New project Thread-Index: AcD6nbdaKK9Z700ZQj6/yw7fdiAlag== From: "Simon Powell" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hektor.valesh.com id PAA32615 Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi group, I have been lurking for the past few weeks. I have a car that I would like to convert to TPI. I am a fair mechanic and am looking for any information (books, websites etc.) that can detail the conversion of a carbureted small block Chevy to TPI. I have a 1986 intake manifold with fuel rails and injectors that I would like to use. I know I need a wiring harness and ECM, sensors and fuel pump. What I don't know is which ones to use, what else I might need and where to start. Any and all information is greatly appreciated. I would even share the start to finish pictures and documentation I plan on generating. Seeker. 1979 Z28 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 21 16:09:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA00524 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:09:19 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA00520 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:09:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id SAA05797; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:09:12 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma005791; Thu, 21 Jun 01 18:08:20 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13172 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:08:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B327D6A.E9C0372F@arm.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:04:10 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: FI virgin - New project References: <1F6E720366697F4EA55178E0311F2BAE4A06@wcmail2.wcox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Go to www.jagsthatrun.com and have a look at the TPI and TBI swapping book. There's also a reference/book listing on the diy-efi WWW page, and lots of good info on the gmecm page. --steve Simon Powell wrote: > > Hi group, > > I have been lurking for the past few weeks. I have a car > that I would like to convert to TPI. > > I am a fair mechanic and am looking for any information (books, > websites etc.) that can detail the conversion of a carbureted small > block Chevy to TPI. I have a 1986 intake manifold with fuel rails and > injectors that I would like to use. I know I need a wiring harness and > ECM, sensors and fuel pump. What I don't know is which ones to use, what > else I might need and where to start. > > Any and all information is greatly appreciated. I would even > share the start to finish pictures and documentation I plan on > generating. > > Seeker. > 1979 Z28 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 21 19:12:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA01658 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:12:17 -0700 Received: from smtp2.home.se (smtp2.home.se [195.66.35.201]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA01653 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:12:10 -0700 Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.66.93] by smtp2.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 04:08:54 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 04:16:59 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-reply-to: <004201c0fa5c$4ae327f0$1401a8c0@gva.fotowire.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > Wow... if you have 14% sweep during shifts and 250ms response time, wrong > mixture correction in ALS and rev limiter situations and a closed-loop > controller that oscillate up to a second (I'm not sure I understood > correctly) I'd suggest not using closed loop WBO2 with this ECU > for anything > but dyno tuning. > > That said, a misfire will always read lean. It is not a 250ms response time, it respond a lot quicker then that but overshoots a bit. After 250ms everything is stable again. I still think that they should work with it more, maybe there is an upgraded firmware. The one second oscillation i was talking about requires pretty extreme conditions to occur. By limiting the maximum correction to +-10% the problem is almost gone. All these problems can probably be minimized by changing the PID parameters for the closed loop operation. But since the problems only can be reproduced on the strip and the car is a bit sensitive we can't fool around with it. Detonation is usually not a problem since we run water injection. If we wanted to chase this problem we would have to start by producing detonation and I don't feel that it would be a good idea ;) Jörgen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 08:32:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA20607 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:32:47 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA20593 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:32:35 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsn3PLx+Vcsulfp+OzgMXhCzw1eiCjf/LXQ=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F8SSECZ6; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:32:08 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:35:57 -0700 Subject: Missing Posts Message-ID: <20010625.083559.68.0.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-7,10-11 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Since a couple weeks ago, when the list server was taken down for a few days, I've noticed that some posts are either being lost, or only going out to part of the list. I know this from (1) not seeing some of my own posts reflected back to me, but also (2) getting private responses back from posts that I made but didn't see coming back myself (so I know they're going out to *some*), and finally (3) replies appearing on the list to other's posts I never saw in the first place. Has anyone else had these problems, or should I look for the culprit on my end? I've found my Juno account to be fairly reliable in the past, but who knows... Tnx Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 10:36:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA21111 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:36:25 -0700 Received: from smtpgw.bnl.gov (mail@smtpgw.bnl.gov [130.199.3.16]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA21107 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:36:12 -0700 Received: from bnl.gov ([130.199.128.163]) by smtpgw.bnl.gov with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 15EaHP-0006Of-00 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:36:07 -0400 Received: from inst911 (inst911.ags.bnl.gov [130.199.100.93]) by bnl.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA18996 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010625133548.00b0a710@exchange01.bnl.gov> X-Sender: rschroeder@exchange01.bnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:35:48 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Ron Schroeder Subject: Re: Missing Posts In-Reply-To: <20010625.083559.68.0.blocklm@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@lists.diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Yes, I had several days when I got no posts too. Ron At 08:35 AM 6/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >Since a couple weeks ago, when the list server was taken down for a few >days, I've noticed that some posts are either being lost, or only going >out to part of the list. I know this from (1) not seeing some of my own >posts reflected back to me, but also (2) getting private responses back >from posts that I made but didn't see coming back myself (so I know >they're going out to *some*), and finally (3) replies appearing on the >list to other's posts I never saw in the first place. > >Has anyone else had these problems, or should I look for the culprit on >my end? I've found my Juno account to be fairly reliable in the past, but >who knows... Tnx > >Brian Ron Schroeder WD8CDH E. E. S. wd8cdh@bnl.gov rjs@bnl.gov ron@112motors.com 631 344-4561 Day 631 286-5677 Nite ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 12:25:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA21779 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:25:13 -0700 Received: from cyberbuzz.gatech.edu (oobleck.gatech.edu [130.207.165.225]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA21770 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:24:59 -0700 From: gte861v@prism.gatech.edu X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host oobleck.gatech.edu [130.207.165.225] claimed to be cyberbuzz.gatech.edu Received: from horton.gatech.edu (horton.gatech.edu [130.207.165.227]) by cyberbuzz.gatech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B46D510AB1 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by horton.gatech.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 48DC130CC; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:24:45 -0400 (EDT) To: DIY EFI Subject: Sensors, Linear Position and Acceleration Message-ID: <993497085.3b378ffd2ce49@horton.gatech.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:24:45 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Cyberbuzz GT Web Email Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does anyone know af a cheap place to purchase these sensors? I need them for some data acquisition and all I can find is really expensive stuff from Pi, and Alpha. Also does anyone know of a cheap place to purchase Bosch sensors? Thanks, Scott Flanagan GT Motorsports Powertrain Leader www.me.gatech.edu/gtmotorsports/ Georgia Institute of Technology Mechanical Engineering Undergraduate ------------------------------------------------- Sent through Cyberbuzz- A Server for the Students http://cyberbuzz.gatech.edu/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 12:47:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA21914 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:47:01 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA21910 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 12:46:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id OAA19395; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:46:23 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma019391; Mon, 25 Jun 01 14:46:12 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26700 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:46:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B37940D.57170C44@arm.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:42:05 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Sensors, Linear Position and Acceleration References: <993497085.3b378ffd2ce49@horton.gatech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Analog devices makes several solid state accelerometers. They'll require some minimal work on your part to make a circuit, and you'll have to make a rugged housing if you need one. But they're in the $20 range and you should be able to get a couple for free as samples. I was able to a couple years ago. --steve gte861v@prism.gatech.edu wrote: > > Does anyone know af a cheap place to purchase these sensors? I need them for > some data acquisition and all I can find is really expensive stuff from Pi, and > Alpha. Also does anyone know of a cheap place to purchase Bosch sensors? > Thanks, -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 13:08:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA22077 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:08:53 -0700 Received: from ns3.cybersol.com ([209.172.21.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA22073 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:08:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [209.172.21.6] claimed to be ns3.cybersol.com Received: from alfred (unverified [209.172.23.13]) by ns3.cybersol.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:08:36 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010625160250.006f21a0@smtp.cybersol.com> X-Sender: btisdale@smtp.cybersol.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:02:50 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Barry Tisdale Subject: Re: Sensors, Linear Position and Acceleration In-Reply-To: <993497085.3b378ffd2ce49@horton.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Crossbow sells an accelerometer - I use one for tuning - around $100, IIRC. Barry At 03:24 PM 6/25/01 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know af a cheap place to purchase these sensors? I need them for >some data acquisition and all I can find is really expensive stuff from Pi, and >Alpha. Also does anyone know of a cheap place to purchase Bosch sensors? >Thanks, > > > >Scott Flanagan >GT Motorsports Powertrain Leader >www.me.gatech.edu/gtmotorsports/ >Georgia Institute of Technology >Mechanical Engineering Undergraduate > >------------------------------------------------- >Sent through Cyberbuzz- A Server for the Students >http://cyberbuzz.gatech.edu/ >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 15:58:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA23438 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:58:17 -0700 Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA23434 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:58:11 -0700 Received: from cc693406a ([65.11.182.46]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010625225802.WTRQ20390.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc693406a> for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:58:02 -0700 Message-ID: <009e01c0fdca$637afec0$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: <01c101c0f040$09a42760$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> <000d01c0f600$86b33be0$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> Subject: Re: EGOR progress Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:58:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I found the key! Actually, the wife found it on the end of a cable. I'd overlooked it in a box I'd already checked. I'll work on the artwork tonight. dh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 16:18:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA23543 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:18:25 -0700 Received: from femail1.rdc1.on.home.com (femail1.rdc1.on.home.com [24.2.9.88]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA23528; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:17:45 -0700 Received: from cr29243a ([24.102.178.19]) by femail1.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010625231726.HNFU11457.femail1.rdc1.on.home.com@cr29243a>; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:17:26 -0700 Message-ID: <00c201c0fde6$43a276c0$13b26618@pr1.on.wave.home.com> From: "Walter Sherwin" To: , Subject: Oversized EPROM's & Multiple Programs Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:18:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C0FDAB.96F8DA20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C0FDAB.96F8DA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To those who are using, or have used, oversized EPROM's that contain = more than one program image........ Can you simply select between say Program "A" and Program "B" while on = the fly, or do you have to power/idle down and then switch from one to = the other? This would be for a two program solution in place of a = single 27c256b chip, for a friend who has new young drivers in the = family (think of it as a sort of valet mode). Is more than 2 images a = big hassle in place of a 256 chip? The selector switch would be a keyed = Allen Bradley jobbie. Anyone have any interesting tidbits archived on this topic, on their = HD's, that they can pass along? I'm going to dive into the list = archives over the next few nights, but any direct pointers would = certainly help a bunch. Walt. ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C0FDAB.96F8DA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To those who are using, or have used, = oversized EPROM's=20 that contain more than one program image........
 
Can you simply select between say Program "A" = and Program=20 "B" while on the fly, or do you have to power/idle down and then switch = from one=20 to the other?  This would be for a two program solution in place of = a=20 single 27c256b chip, for a friend who has new young drivers in = the=20 family (think of it as a sort of valet mode).  Is more than 2 = images a big=20 hassle in place of a 256 chip?  The selector switch would be a = keyed Allen=20 Bradley jobbie.
 
Anyone have any interesting tidbits archived on = this=20 topic, on their HD's, that they can pass along?  I'm going to dive = into the=20 list archives over the next few nights, but any = direct pointers would=20 certainly help a bunch.
 
Walt.
------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C0FDAB.96F8DA20-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 17:15:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA24279 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:15:27 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (oe70.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.205]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA24275 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:15:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host oe70.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.205] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:14:49 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.166.197.182] From: "944Technologist" To: References: <00c201c0fde6$43a276c0$13b26618@pr1.on.wave.home.com> Subject: Re: Oversized EPROM's & Multiple Programs Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:16:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007A_01C0FD9A.89FE28E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2001 00:14:49.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[03A28DA0:01C0FDD5] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C0FD9A.89FE28E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a DME operating with an external switch for 2 different programs = on a single EPROM. One performance program and a second is the stock = program. You have to power down to switch programs. FR Wilk 84 944 Porsche ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Walter Sherwin=20 To: gmecm@diy-efi.org ; diy_efi@diy-efi.org=20 Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Oversized EPROM's & Multiple Programs To those who are using, or have used, oversized EPROM's that contain = more than one program image........ Can you simply select between say Program "A" and Program "B" while on = the fly, or do you have to power/idle down and then switch from one to = the other? This would be for a two program solution in place of a = single 27c256b chip, for a friend who has new young drivers in the = family (think of it as a sort of valet mode). Is more than 2 images a = big hassle in place of a 256 chip? The selector switch would be a keyed = Allen Bradley jobbie. Anyone have any interesting tidbits archived on this topic, on their = HD's, that they can pass along? I'm going to dive into the list = archives over the next few nights, but any direct pointers would = certainly help a bunch. Walt. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C0FD9A.89FE28E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a DME operating with an external switch for 2 different = programs on a single EPROM. One performance program and a second is the = stock=20 program. You have to power down to switch programs.
 
FR Wilk
84 944 Porsche
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Walter = Sherwin=20
To: gmecm@diy-efi.org ; diy_efi@diy-efi.org
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 = 7:18 PM
Subject: Oversized EPROM's = & Multiple=20 Programs

To those who are using, or have used, = oversized EPROM's=20 that contain more than one program image........
 
Can you simply select between say Program "A"=20 and Program "B" while on the fly, or do you have to power/idle = down and=20 then switch from one to the other?  This would be for a two = program=20 solution in place of a single 27c256b chip, for a friend who = has new=20 young drivers in the family (think of it as a sort of valet = mode).  Is=20 more than 2 images a big hassle in place of a 256 chip?  The = selector=20 switch would be a keyed Allen Bradley jobbie.
 
Anyone have any interesting tidbits archived = on this=20 topic, on their HD's, that they can pass along?  I'm going to = dive into=20 the list archives over the next few nights, but any=20 direct pointers would certainly help a bunch.
 
Walt.
------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C0FD9A.89FE28E0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 17:49:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA24656 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:49:25 -0700 Received: from nic.lth.se (root@nic.lth.se [130.235.20.3]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA24644; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:48:37 -0700 Received: from vok-mp1200 (vok-celap.vok.lth.se [130.235.81.97]) by nic.lth.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18112; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 02:48:29 +0200 (MET DST) From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Magnus_P=E5lsson?=" To: , Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 02:52:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bosch Motronic 4.1 ecu Message-ID: <3B37F8E4.28402.35CF67A8@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi All! I don't know if there's someone out there who can help me getting started on this; I own a 1988 Opel Ascona (bought in Sweden). It seems to be equipped with a Bosch Motronic 4.1 ecu (incl. L-jetronic), part number is: Bosch: 0 261 200 104 GM: 90 280 357 I know a bit about how to make the hardware needed to communicate with this ecu, but not much about the software. (I assume it's 8192 baud, not 160). How do I get info on the communication protocol, i.e. how do I communicate with it? How do I get access to the data stream, the errorcodes, make diagnostic tests etc, what is possible to do with it at all? Is there any database/magasine etc. on the web where these things can be found? In short, is there anyone out there who could help me in any way, or point me in a suitable direction to get the info, it would be very appreciated! (I know, it's not a performance car etc, I do this mostly out of interrest, it all started with a fault in the injection system and the more I read the more I realised could be done. I'd love getting up the datastream on my palm during driving...!) Best to you all, Magnus ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 18:08:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA24845 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:08:23 -0700 Received: from femail3.rdc1.on.home.com (femail3.rdc1.on.home.com [24.2.9.90]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA24836 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:08:15 -0700 Received: from cr29243a ([24.102.178.19]) by femail3.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010626010808.UYRC25851.femail3.rdc1.on.home.com@cr29243a> for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:08:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c0fdf5$ba657500$13b26618@pr1.on.wave.home.com> From: "Walter Sherwin" To: References: <00c201c0fde6$43a276c0$13b26618@pr1.on.wave.home.com> Subject: Re: Oversized EPROM's & Multiple Programs Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:08:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks. What's a DME? When you say power down, do you mean key-off engine-off, then switch, then key-on and run, or simply reduce power and switch on the fly? Appreciate the feedback. My bud says thanks....... >I have a DME operating with an external switch for 2 different programs on a single EPROM. One performance program and a second is the >stock program. You have to power down to switch programs. >FR Wilk >84 944 Porsche ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 20:53:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA25907 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:53:15 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (oe31.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.88]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA25903 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:53:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host oe31.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.88] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:52:38 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.11.158.185] From: "John Walker" To: References: Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:38:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2001 03:52:38.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[7164B700:01C0FDF3] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bob, I checked out Turbobuick.com and they have a lot of good info on SpeedPro...thanks for the tip! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wooten" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning > Boy, the mental picture of your truck just changed radically. This sounds > like a great toy. Hope all goes well. have you tried talking with any of > the turbo Regal guys (www.gnttype.org http://turbobuick.com/messagebd/)? my > understanding is that there are a LOT of them running the SpeedPro. > > Good luck, let us know it goes. > > BW > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of John Walker > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:12 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning > > > Valid question Bob. They truck is pretty well modified currently. I enjoy > drag racing, which is the truck's primary use and a nice weekend drive. So > basically, it is a toy. :) I'm currrently running an ATI P600H supercharger > with Intercooler, Precision Industries 3400 stall converter, 28" E/T > streets, headers & exhaust, MSD 6BTM and Blaster 3, Trans-Go shift kit and a > few other goodies. Electric fan and 14psi are coming with the speedpro. I > reached a big hurdle in the project after I put in the converter and E/T > streets. When I stall the truck up to about 2000K rpm (or anywhere between > 1400 and 3000) and try to flash the converter and launch hard, the truck > just flatlines. I verified that the timing was infact falling rapidly > towards 0 degrees when this happens. I've spoken with one other person that > is researching the same problem. It appears to be some form of torque > management (i.e. too much engine speed, no vehicle speed cut spark advance) > or something to that effect. I have tried many fixes but nothing has > worked. On the flip side...an off idle launch around 800rpm will send the > E/T streets into smoke. Unfortunatelly I have spoke to many people including > a couple of active Chrysler race teams, computer programmers and no one can > confirm the existance of torque management or the problem. I have made > attempts to acquire an internal engineers contact info...but have had no > luck. > > So...enter SpeedPro. My philosophy is that if the computer is making an > active decision to cut timing....then SpeedPro will cure the problem since > it will be making all Fuel and Timing decisions. I researched AutoTronic, > Hal-Tech, Electromotive, SpeedPro, and Accell before making my final > decision. SpeedPro was proven and the less intrusive harness was available. > Besides the cost, I think it will work well. So...if I can race > again...i've succeded. But a modest horsepower gain should be an added > bonus. Plus heads and cam are next and that would surely throw the stock > computer for a loop. Their are also a few hiccups the the Supercharger has > introduced to the truck that the SpeedPro will fix (stock 1-bar incorrectly > reads 30" of vaccum under boost causing a surge in part throttle accel). > Plus I can ditch the FMU and run a constant fuel pressure and change pulse > width with boost and rpm. > > If your interested in more details check out my website at > http://www.DakotaRacing.com > > later, > > John > > > >From: "Bob Wooten" > >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > >To: > >Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning > >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:04:20 -0700 > > > >John, > > > >If you don't mind me asking why go through all the hassle for 20 HP on a > >truck? are you planning on putting a blower on it, or NOS or is this just > >a > >toy? just curious is all. > > > >BW > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > >quotes) > >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Jun 25 23:29:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA26700 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:29:37 -0700 Received: from snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA26696; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:29:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240] claimed to be snfc21.pbi.net Received: from fasthp ([64.171.24.49]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <0GFI001ARY0Q9I@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:29:12 -0700 From: k1drbar Subject: Re: Oversized EPROM's & Multiple Programs To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, gmecm@diy-efi.org Message-id: <001101c0fe09$50fea3c0$c87ba8c0@fasthp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00c201c0fde6$43a276c0$13b26618@pr1.on.wave.home.com> Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org ... assuming that all that you are doing is running the same code with different maps, it could well be possible to change programs on the fly ... but you would really have to understand the circuit and make sure that the address line that switched banks only changed at an appropriate time. Perhaps it would be as simple as a register ... here again, assuming that the code was identical other than the maps. All that said, you might want to have some means of not switching the map except when the ECU is executing the idle loop ... which would take a bit more hardware complexity ... ... what I do is to use a latch that samples the state of the selected binary when the ECU is powered up. To switch to a different binary you need to shut the car off and restart it. In my case there really isn't a need to be able to switch the code on the fly ... HTH! Steve Buchholz San Jose, CA (USA) ----- Original Message ----- To those who are using, or have used, oversized EPROM's that contain more than one program image........ Can you simply select between say Program "A" and Program "B" while on the fly, or do you have to power/idle down and then switch from one to the other? This would be for a two program solution in place of a single 27c256b chip, for a friend who has new young drivers in the family (think of it as a sort of valet mode). Is more than 2 images a big hassle in place of a 256 chip? The selector switch would be a keyed Allen Bradley jobbie. Anyone have any interesting tidbits archived on this topic, on their HD's, that they can pass along? I'm going to dive into the list archives over the next few nights, but any direct pointers would certainly help a bunch. Walt. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 00:38:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA27116 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:38:33 -0700 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27112 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:37:36 -0700 Received: from sykes.demon.co.uk ([158.152.196.243]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15EnRp-000AMn-0U for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:39:45 +0100 Received: from richm (richm [192.168.2.9]) by sykes.demon.co.uk (8.7.6/v3.2) with SMTP id IAA19098 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:37:27 +0100 Message-ID: <006d01c0fe12$c168a120$0902a8c0@richm.melksham> From: "Rich M" To: Subject: Re: Oversized EPROM's & Multiple Programs Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:36:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C0FE1B.2303D640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C0FE1B.2303D640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do the same thing; without delving into the hardware and including = some logic, you'll need to switch off the engine, select the program = position you want to run by switching the state of the higher address = line on the Eprom, and restart. Cheers Rich -----Original Message----- From: Walter Sherwin To: gmecm@diy-efi.org ; diy_efi@diy-efi.org = Date: 26 June 2001 00:21 Subject: Oversized EPROM's & Multiple Programs =20 =20 To those who are using, or have used, oversized EPROM's that contain = more than one program image........ =20 Can you simply select between say Program "A" and Program "B" while = on the fly, or do you have to power/idle down and then switch from one = to the other? This would be for a two program solution in place of a = single 27c256b chip, for a friend who has new young drivers in the = family (think of it as a sort of valet mode). Is more than 2 images a = big hassle in place of a 256 chip? The selector switch would be a keyed = Allen Bradley jobbie. =20 Anyone have any interesting tidbits archived on this topic, on their = HD's, that they can pass along? I'm going to dive into the list = archives over the next few nights, but any direct pointers would = certainly help a bunch. =20 Walt. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C0FE1B.2303D640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I do the same thing; without delving = into the=20 hardware and including some logic, you'll need to switch off the engine, = select=20 the program position you want to run by switching the state of the = higher=20 address line on the Eprom, and restart.
 
Cheers
 
Rich
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Walter Sherwin <wsherwin@home.com>
To: = gmecm@diy-efi.org <gmecm@diy-efi.org>; diy_efi@diy-efi.org <diy_efi@diy-efi.org>
Dat= e:=20 26 June 2001 00:21
Subject: Oversized EPROM's & = Multiple=20 Programs

To those who are using, or have used,=20 oversized EPROM's that contain more than one program=20 image........
 
Can you simply select between say Program = "A"=20 and Program "B" while on the fly, or do you have to=20 power/idle down and then switch from one to the other?  This = would be=20 for a two program solution in place of a single 27c256b = chip, for a=20 friend who has new young drivers in the family (think of it as = a sort=20 of valet mode).  Is more than 2 images a big hassle in place of = a 256=20 chip?  The selector switch would be a keyed Allen Bradley=20 jobbie.
 
Anyone have any interesting tidbits = archived on this=20 topic, on their HD's, that they can pass along?  I'm going to = dive into=20 the list archives over the next few nights, but any=20 direct pointers would certainly help a bunch.
 
Walt.
------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C0FE1B.2303D640-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 00:47:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA27192 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:47:50 -0700 Received: from mailgw.bae.co.uk (mailgw.bae.co.uk [194.133.99.211]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27187 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:47:44 -0700 Received: from ngbaux (ngbaux [141.245.68.234]) by mailgw.bae.co.uk (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id f5Q7gEM23993 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:42:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from ngban12.ng.bae.co.uk ([141.245.68.238]) by ngbaux.net.bae.co.uk (PMDF V5.2-33 #44998) with ESMTP id <0GFJ00I211CYBR@ngbaux.net.bae.co.uk> for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:41:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from ngbauh.ng.bae.co.uk (unverified) by ngban12.ng.bae.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:43:36 +0100 Received: (from x400@localhost) by ngbauh.ng.bae.co.uk (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) id IAA12144 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:40:07 +0100 (BST) Received: by GOLD 400; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:42:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 08:42:45 +0000 From: Mike Blakey Subject: Re: Oversized EPROM's & Multiple Programs To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Message-id: <"010626073950Z.WT11893. 25*/PN=Mike.Blakey/OU=Technical/OU=NOTES/O=BAe MAA/PRMD=BAE/ADMD=GOLD 400/C=GB/"@MHS> X-Mailer: NetJunction (NetJunction 5.0-p1)/MIME Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I have done a similar scheme with a machine tool controller. Firstly, de-bounce the switch and then AND it with the chip select for the memory. Use this signal to address the high bit, and effectively switch banks on the fly. ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 00:59:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA27314 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:59:31 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (oe67.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.202]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27310 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:59:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host oe67.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.202] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 00:58:55 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.166.197.182] From: "944Technologist" To: References: <00c201c0fde6$43a276c0$13b26618@pr1.on.wave.home.com> <001401c0fdf5$ba657500$13b26618@pr1.on.wave.home.com> Subject: Re: Oversized EPROM's & Multiple Programs Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 01:00:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2001 07:58:55.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8C32590:01C0FE15] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org DME stands for Digital Motor Electronics and is the same thing as ECU. To go from 27256 to a 27512, pin 1 goes from "Vpp" which is used only in programming to "A15". You will have to verify that the socket pin 1 is connected to "A15". Your goal is to add an external switch that changes pin 1 from 0V to 5V. This gives you 2 banks of 256K to run different programs. If you need to change on the fly, rig the same switch to interrupt power to the ECU until after the bank switching has taken place. I have to kill the ignition to switch programs. I was on an uphill grade with the wrong gas and started to knock. So I turned off the ignition, flipped from performance to stock program, and then restarted. 5 seconds total. The only time I wanted to switch while on the move. Best of luck, FR Wilk 84 944 Porsche ______________________________________ From: "Walter Sherwin" > Thanks. What's a DME? When you say power down, do you mean key-off > engine-off, then switch, then key-on and run, or simply reduce power and > switch on the fly? Appreciate the feedback. My bud says thanks....... > > > > >I have a DME operating with an external switch for 2 different programs on > a single EPROM. One performance program and a second is the >stock program. > You have to power down to switch programs. > > >FR Wilk > >84 944 Porsche > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 10:11:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA29985 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:11:40 -0700 Received: from lucky.innet.com (IDENT:root@lucky.innet.com [63.144.204.1]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA29980 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:11:33 -0700 From: charlieg@innet.com Received: from lizard (tampa-21.innet.com [63.144.204.21] (may be forged)) by lucky.innet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29509 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:10:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3B3813A0.3554@innet.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:46:24 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Missing Posts References: <3.0.6.32.20010625133548.00b0a710@exchange01.bnl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Yes, I also had several days when I received no posts. Charlie GALLOPS Ron Schroeder wrote: > > Yes, I had several days when I got no posts too. > > Ron > > At 08:35 AM 6/25/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Since a couple weeks ago, when the list server was taken down for a few > >days, I've noticed that some posts are either being lost, or only going > >out to part of the list. I know this from (1) not seeing some of my own > >posts reflected back to me, but also (2) getting private responses back > >from posts that I made but didn't see coming back myself (so I know > >they're going out to *some*), and finally (3) replies appearing on the > >list to other's posts I never saw in the first place. > > > >Has anyone else had these problems, or should I look for the culprit on > >my end? I've found my Juno account to be fairly reliable in the past, but > >who knows... Tnx > > > >Brian > > Ron Schroeder > WD8CDH > E. E. S. > wd8cdh@bnl.gov > rjs@bnl.gov > ron@112motors.com > 631 344-4561 Day > 631 286-5677 Nite > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 12:06:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA30833 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:06:08 -0700 Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30767; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:04:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cruzers.com [205.215.232.2] claimed to be blackie.cruzers.com Received: from cruzers.com (robbie-155.cruzers.com [209.165.194.155]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23779; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B360BEA.6FADB96C@cruzers.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 07:49:44 -0800 From: Ludis Langens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmecm@diy-efi.org CC: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, efi_332 Subject: Re: Be famous among gearheads! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bob Wooten wrote: > > On the flip side of this subject, has anyone seen the Ultimate BB software? > > Others have thoughts on it? Yes, UBB sucks. Well, for a web based system, it is pretty good. In comparison with pre-AlGoreInternet solutions (email lists & Usenet newsgroups), it is very poor. -- Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 12:25:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA31426 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:25:47 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA31421 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:25:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id OAA23437; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:25:39 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma023434; Tue, 26 Jun 01 14:25:33 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26074 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:25:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B38E0C1.CC76276A@arm.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:21:37 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Be famous among gearheads! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Forgot to answer this... We looked at things like that last time, before we got the new server. None of the ones we looked at offered the flexibility we get from running our own server. The cost aspect is a problem also. --steve Bob Wooten wrote: > > On the flip side of this subject, has anyone seen the Ultimate BB software? > The 2nd Gen Camaro site uses it (among others) & it has a double boat load > of great features. two of the features that I like the best is that all I > have to do is to be on the WWW to access it. & the other is the search > ability. I think that the down side to this though is $$$$. I travel a > bunch for my company & this makes keeping up with my hobby, very convenient. > If you have not checked it out please do. -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 12:30:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA31579 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:30:26 -0700 Received: from femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.85]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA31575 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:30:20 -0700 Received: from electron ([24.3.251.94]) by femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010626193011.HBJK571.femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com@electron> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 12:30:11 -0700 Message-ID: <02fa01c0fe77$69a29580$0500a8c0@intranet.inductionindustries.com> From: "Jeff Bromberger" To: References: <3B360BEA.6FADB96C@cruzers.com> Subject: has anyone tried this? Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:37:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm getting ready to add an aftermarket computer to my honda civic... my concern is not the WOT tuning but rather the drivability/fuel economy type stuff... i was thinking that it would be really handy to have a tool that would log conditions in the current factory PCM to build a profile of the fuel and timing maps... i'm picturing two inductive probes: one for spark plug wire #1 and one for injector wire #1... beyond that you'd only need the map sensor signal. the software that is monitoring these signals/pulses could fill in the standard 2D tables for fuel and spark and give you a big headstart when you go to tuning the aftermarket efi system "from scratch"... does anyone make anything like this? I could definitely write the software, but beyond a few basic PIC projects, i'm not that up on the hardware end of things... though i imagine the hardware would be fairly simple... thoughts? thanks, jeff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 13:13:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA32271 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:13:30 -0700 Received: from hts.demon.co.uk (hts.demon.co.uk [194.222.109.49]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA32267 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:12:01 -0700 Received: from frodo.localnet ([192.168.1.3]) by hts.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 15EzBn-0005JF-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:11:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:11:38 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Guy Hill To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Be famous among gearheads! In-Reply-To: <3B38E0C1.CC76276A@arm.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: guy@gandalf.localnet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi Steve Did you get my email to you re the se7ens list? Steve Potter (list admin) does run his own server www.se7ens.net. He also hosts several other domains as well. I'm not sure what software it uses but it works, and very well too. Have a poke around from the above address. He runs several lists all from there. Cheers Guy On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, steve ravet wrote: > Forgot to answer this... We looked at things like that last time, > before we got the new server. None of the ones we looked at offered the > flexibility we get from running our own server. The cost aspect is a > problem also. > > --steve > > Bob Wooten wrote: > > > > On the flip side of this subject, has anyone seen the Ultimate BB software? > > The 2nd Gen Camaro site uses it (among others) & it has a double boat load > > of great features. two of the features that I like the best is that all I > > have to do is to be on the WWW to access it. & the other is the search > > ability. I think that the down side to this though is $$$$. I travel a > > bunch for my company & this makes keeping up with my hobby, very convenient. > > If you have not checked it out please do. > > -- > Steve Ravet > steve.ravet@arm.com > ARM,Inc. > www.arm.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 13:43:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA32569 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:43:51 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (oe72.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.207]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA32565 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:43:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host oe72.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.207] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:43:07 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.166.198.135] From: "944Technologist" To: References: <00c201c0fde6$43a276c0$13b26618@pr1.on.wave.home.com> <001401c0fdf5$ba657500$13b26618@pr1.on.wave.home.com> Subject: Re: Oversized EPROM's & Multiple Programs Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:42:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2001 20:43:07.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B2499B0:01C0FE80] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > You will have to verify that the socket pin 1 is > connected to "A15". Correction: You will want to isolate pin 1 from buss "A15" so as not to interfere with the normal operation of the ECU. FR Wilk ___________________________ From: "944Technologist" > DME stands for Digital Motor Electronics and is the same thing as ECU. > > To go from 27256 to a 27512, pin 1 goes from "Vpp" which is used only in > programming to "A15". You will have to verify that the socket pin 1 is > connected to "A15". Your goal is to add an external switch that changes pin > 1 from 0V to 5V. This gives you 2 banks of 256K to run different programs. > If you need to change on the fly, rig the same switch to interrupt power to > the ECU until after the bank switching has taken place. > > I have to kill the ignition to switch programs. I was on an uphill grade > with the wrong gas and started to knock. So I turned off the ignition, > flipped from performance to stock program, and then restarted. 5 seconds > total. The only time I wanted to switch while on the move. > > Best of luck, > > FR Wilk > 84 944 Porsche > ______________________________________ > > From: "Walter Sherwin" > > Thanks. What's a DME? When you say power down, do you mean key-off > > engine-off, then switch, then key-on and run, or simply reduce power and > > switch on the fly? Appreciate the feedback. My bud says thanks....... > > > > > > > > >I have a DME operating with an external switch for 2 different programs > on > > a single EPROM. One performance program and a second is the >stock > program. > > You have to power down to switch programs. > > > > >FR Wilk > > >84 944 Porsche > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 15:01:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA00914 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:01:58 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA00910 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 15:01:52 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.5]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010626220150.TMLA598.invictus@bruce> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:01:50 -0400 Message-ID: <019901c0fe8b$a49aede0$050ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <3B360BEA.6FADB96C@cruzers.com> <02fa01c0fe77$69a29580$0500a8c0@intranet.inductionindustries.com> Subject: Re: has anyone tried this? Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 18:02:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'd get a spare ecm, and or the harness ends and use the one you have, and build an ecm bench. That will get you thru all but the timing. Then on the timing you'll need to monitor crank posistion, and #1s ignition pulse, then with the time difference figure out the timing. The aftermarket ecms are built to be easy to program, and get right. You very well might spend more time with this then just actually doing the aftermarket programming. The ecm bench will give you the coolant temp corrections, air temp (if applicable), and would give some idea about accleration enrichments. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Bromberger" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: has anyone tried this? > I'm getting ready to add an aftermarket computer to my honda civic... my > concern is not the WOT tuning but rather the drivability/fuel economy type > stuff... i was thinking that it would be really handy to have a tool that > would log conditions in the current factory PCM to build a profile of the > fuel and timing maps... i'm picturing two inductive probes: one for spark > plug wire #1 and one for injector wire #1... beyond that you'd only need the > map sensor signal. the software that is monitoring these signals/pulses > could fill in the standard 2D tables for fuel and spark and give you a big > headstart when you go to tuning the aftermarket efi system "from scratch"... > does anyone make anything like this? I could definitely write the software, > but beyond a few basic PIC projects, i'm not that up on the hardware end of > things... though i imagine the hardware would be fairly simple... thoughts? > > thanks, > jeff > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 19:06:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA02171 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:06:57 -0700 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02167 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:06:50 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0568.cvx10-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.184.58]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28128 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:06:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:06:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Cool, glad I can be some help some times. BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 8:38 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: SpeedPro Tuning Bob, I checked out Turbobuick.com and they have a lot of good info on SpeedPro...thanks for the tip! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wooten" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:02 PM Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning > Boy, the mental picture of your truck just changed radically. This sounds > like a great toy. Hope all goes well. have you tried talking with any of > the turbo Regal guys (www.gnttype.org http://turbobuick.com/messagebd/)? my > understanding is that there are a LOT of them running the SpeedPro. > > Good luck, let us know it goes. > > BW > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of John Walker > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:12 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning > > > Valid question Bob. They truck is pretty well modified currently. I enjoy > drag racing, which is the truck's primary use and a nice weekend drive. So > basically, it is a toy. :) I'm currrently running an ATI P600H supercharger > with Intercooler, Precision Industries 3400 stall converter, 28" E/T > streets, headers & exhaust, MSD 6BTM and Blaster 3, Trans-Go shift kit and a > few other goodies. Electric fan and 14psi are coming with the speedpro. I > reached a big hurdle in the project after I put in the converter and E/T > streets. When I stall the truck up to about 2000K rpm (or anywhere between > 1400 and 3000) and try to flash the converter and launch hard, the truck > just flatlines. I verified that the timing was infact falling rapidly > towards 0 degrees when this happens. I've spoken with one other person that > is researching the same problem. It appears to be some form of torque > management (i.e. too much engine speed, no vehicle speed cut spark advance) > or something to that effect. I have tried many fixes but nothing has > worked. On the flip side...an off idle launch around 800rpm will send the > E/T streets into smoke. Unfortunatelly I have spoke to many people including > a couple of active Chrysler race teams, computer programmers and no one can > confirm the existance of torque management or the problem. I have made > attempts to acquire an internal engineers contact info...but have had no > luck. > > So...enter SpeedPro. My philosophy is that if the computer is making an > active decision to cut timing....then SpeedPro will cure the problem since > it will be making all Fuel and Timing decisions. I researched AutoTronic, > Hal-Tech, Electromotive, SpeedPro, and Accell before making my final > decision. SpeedPro was proven and the less intrusive harness was available. > Besides the cost, I think it will work well. So...if I can race > again...i've succeded. But a modest horsepower gain should be an added > bonus. Plus heads and cam are next and that would surely throw the stock > computer for a loop. Their are also a few hiccups the the Supercharger has > introduced to the truck that the SpeedPro will fix (stock 1-bar incorrectly > reads 30" of vaccum under boost causing a surge in part throttle accel). > Plus I can ditch the FMU and run a constant fuel pressure and change pulse > width with boost and rpm. > > If your interested in more details check out my website at > http://www.DakotaRacing.com > > later, > > John > > > >From: "Bob Wooten" > >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > >To: > >Subject: RE: SpeedPro Tuning > >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:04:20 -0700 > > > >John, > > > >If you don't mind me asking why go through all the hassle for 20 HP on a > >truck? are you planning on putting a blower on it, or NOS or is this just > >a > >toy? just curious is all. > > > >BW > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > >quotes) > >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 19:21:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA02283 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:21:21 -0700 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02277 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:21:15 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0568.cvx10-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.184.58]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA05665 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: Be famous among gearheads! Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B360BEA.6FADB96C@cruzers.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Boy Ludis, please don't hold back & let us know REALLY how you feel about it, LOL. Being a new comer to computer stuff & the web in general this is all new to me. I know nothing a 'bout the old BB stuff & mail lists & all. Heck I don't think that I could find my way around a DOS prompt if I had to. Personally, I think that the UBB is pretty slick. you can put in pictures, you can respond from just about anywhere. there are sort features (that would kill a TON of repeated questions, for those that love to say, "check the archives"), there is mail to all. there are editable posts. & on & on. Just my2c on the subject. BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Ludis Langens Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 8:50 AM To: gmecm@diy-efi.org Cc: diy_efi@diy-efi.org; efi_332 Subject: Re: Be famous among gearheads! Bob Wooten wrote: > > On the flip side of this subject, has anyone seen the Ultimate BB software? > > Others have thoughts on it? Yes, UBB sucks. Well, for a web based system, it is pretty good. In comparison with pre-AlGoreInternet solutions (email lists & Usenet newsgroups), it is very poor. -- Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 19:21:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA02302 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:21:55 -0700 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02296 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:21:48 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0568.cvx10-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.184.58]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA08348 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:21:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: Be famous among gearheads! Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:22:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B38E0C1.CC76276A@arm.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Cool, just an option -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of steve ravet Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:22 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Be famous among gearheads! Forgot to answer this... We looked at things like that last time, before we got the new server. None of the ones we looked at offered the flexibility we get from running our own server. The cost aspect is a problem also. --steve Bob Wooten wrote: > > On the flip side of this subject, has anyone seen the Ultimate BB software? > The 2nd Gen Camaro site uses it (among others) & it has a double boat load > of great features. two of the features that I like the best is that all I > have to do is to be on the WWW to access it. & the other is the search > ability. I think that the down side to this though is $$$$. I travel a > bunch for my company & this makes keeping up with my hobby, very convenient. > If you have not checked it out please do. -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Jun 26 20:27:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA03362 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:27:45 -0700 Received: from web4505.mail.yahoo.com (web4505.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.66]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA03355 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:27:31 -0700 Message-ID: <20010627032726.20995.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.22.138.63] by web4505.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:27:26 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: LEIF BERTELSEN Subject: Mitsu Starion To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org My off line buddy wanted me to ask you guys for advice. He bought a 1986 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R new when we were in college. He had scraped together the cash to buy it and I never really new how(it was about 16 grand if i remember correctly). Anyway.....He maintained it meticulously for 100K miles. I replaced the turbo once. He always had driveability probs with the thing. These probs have gotten progressively worse and no one can seem to diagnose. He is adamant about changing to a new engine management system. I do not know squat about this but I am a good wrench and will help in any way I can. Anyone know which way to go with this thing..... It's a 2.6 four. intercooler with a cheesy looking throttle body style injection. Port fuel?......This guy loves this car and wants to run it forever at any cost. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 27 05:18:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA05555 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 05:18:04 -0700 Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA05549 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 05:17:57 -0700 From: ECMnut@aol.com Received: from ECMnut@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id o.2d.da10ab8 (5715) for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web42.aolmail.aol.com (web42.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.3]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:17:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: Mitsu Starion To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <2d.da10ab8.286b28c8@aol.com> Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I've work on two of these cars in my entire life. Don't know if it is the rule, but BOTH ran like crap due to a bad mass airflow sensor. Ya might want to start there if your symptons warrant it. Both times the cars idled like sh*t and gas milage was way down. HTH Mike V In a message dated Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:30:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LEIF BERTELSEN writes: << My off line buddy wanted me to ask you guys for advice. He bought a 1986 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R new when we were in college. He had scraped together the cash to buy it and I never really new how(it was about 16 grand if i remember correctly). Anyway.....He maintained it meticulously for 100K miles. I replaced the turbo once. He always had driveability probs with the thing. These probs have gotten progressively worse and no one can seem to diagnose. He is adamant about changing to a new engine management system. I do not know squat about this but I am a good wrench and will help in any way I can. Anyone know which way to go with this thing..... It's a 2.6 four. intercooler with a cheesy looking throttle body style injection. Port fuel?......This guy loves this car and wants to run it forever at any cost. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 27 10:53:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07094 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:53:06 -0700 Received: from csun.edu (krusty.csun.edu [130.166.1.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07089 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:52:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host krusty.csun.edu [130.166.1.51] claimed to be csun.edu Received: from csun.edu (dhcp2-154.ecs.csun.edu [130.166.2.154]) by csun.edu (8.9.3 (MessagingDirect 1.0.2)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA898679 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B3A4726.BE9134C7@csun.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:50:46 -0700 From: Stewart Prince X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: crystal oscillator References: <200011171300.FAA14446@hektor.valesh.com> <3A15DE70.4151039F@mwt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does anyone know of a source for crystal oscillators which meet automotive temp requirements? 16 Mhz, +/1 50 ppm -40 to 100 deg c kb4mxo wrote: > DIY_EFI Digest wrote: > > The main reason this data was taken was to set the delay time from 5v to 10v to the heater . My heater circuit is crude but cost > effective . It uses a 7805 with a zener in the ground leg to set the 10v supply . At startup the micro bypasses the zener to give 5v > to stop high inrush current then removes the bypass of the zener to apply 10V . Note at low battery the unit will drop below 10v > and will reset the micro making it soft start at 5V . I always have a alternator in the car so this is no problem and in a race car > we run a separate 15v supply. The main reason I like the regulators I has internal current limit and makes a very cheap heater with > very low parts count and mounting the regulator is fairly fool proof because of the popularity in the kit market. > > Thanks > > Steve > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org -- STEWART PRINCE PROFESSOR, MECHANICAL ENGINEERING CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY, NORTHRIDGE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 27 12:11:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA07832 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:11:28 -0700 Received: from web12404.mail.yahoo.com (web12404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.131]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA07824 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:11:19 -0700 Message-ID: <20010627191118.52580.qmail@web12404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.45.136.182] by web12404.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:11:18 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff dilling Subject: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org how do you dis. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 27 12:37:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA08047 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:37:51 -0700 Received: from firewall.etn.com (firewall.etn.com [151.110.127.15]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA08043 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 12:36:44 -0700 Received: from [151.110.126.62] by firewall.etn.com via smtpd (for 209-79-244-250.dnbonline.com [209.79.244.250]) with SMTP; 27 Jun 2001 19:36:44 UT Received: by cleohsex02.etn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:36:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Shirley, Mark R" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:33:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org You don't. > -----Original Message----- > From: jeff dilling [mailto:jeff_dilling@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:11 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm > > > how do you dis. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" > (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 27 13:24:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA08339 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:24:34 -0700 Received: from femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.146]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA08335 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:24:27 -0700 Received: from kris ([24.250.38.22]) by femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010627202420.FEHS23388.femail21.sdc1.sfba.home.com@kris> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:24:20 -0700 Message-ID: <00b601c0ff48$94474200$1626fa18@alntn1.tx.home.com> From: "Kris Weldy" To: References: <20010627032726.20995.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Mitsu Starion Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:34:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Mitsu montero heads flow more cfm-and bolt right on...I worked on a number of these at Takin it to the streets racin-or a to z performance.Good little cars-more than likely he has a boost leak or some loose vacuum hoses somewhere-there are a ton of them. Kris Weldy ----- Original Message ----- From: "LEIF BERTELSEN" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: Mitsu Starion > My off line buddy wanted me to ask you guys for > advice. > He bought a 1986 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R new when we > were in college. He had scraped together the cash to > buy it and I never really new how(it was about 16 > grand if i remember correctly). Anyway.....He > maintained it meticulously for 100K miles. I replaced > the turbo once. He always had driveability probs with > the thing. These probs have gotten progressively worse > and no one can seem to diagnose. He is adamant about > changing to a new engine management system. I do not > know squat about this but I am a good wrench and will > help in any way I can. Anyone know which way to go > with this thing..... It's a 2.6 four. intercooler with > a cheesy looking throttle body style injection. Port > fuel?......This guy loves this car and wants to run it > forever at any cost. > Thanks. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 27 13:42:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA08433 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:42:36 -0700 Received: from femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.140]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA08429 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:42:30 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.251.251.194]) by femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010627204217.FGIF26767.femail13.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 13:42:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3B3A456C.C9ED6D43@home.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:43:24 -0400 From: Rob O X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Mitsu Starion References: <20010627032726.20995.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org While I have *never* worked on one of these cars, I do know they are famous for injector problems. Might be something to look at Rob_O LEIF BERTELSEN wrote: > > My off line buddy wanted me to ask you guys for > advice. > He bought a 1986 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R new when we > were in college. He had scraped together the cash to > buy it and I never really new how(it was about 16 > grand if i remember correctly). Anyway.....He > maintained it meticulously for 100K miles. I replaced > the turbo once. He always had driveability probs with > the thing. These probs have gotten progressively worse > and no one can seem to diagnose. He is adamant about > changing to a new engine management system. I do not > know squat about this but I am a good wrench and will > help in any way I can. Anyone know which way to go > with this thing..... It's a 2.6 four. intercooler with > a cheesy looking throttle body style injection. Port > fuel?......This guy loves this car and wants to run it > forever at any cost. > Thanks. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 27 16:00:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA09321 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:00:14 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA09317 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:00:03 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.163]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010627230001.XYVS598.invictus@bruce> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:00:01 -0400 Message-ID: <010401c0ff5c$f2798c20$a30ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:00:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Shhh, please don't tell the guys running the S/C ones with the syty code (in a 1227749 ecm) that. IAC is different (but who says you have to use only one?). Some kludging needed. Bruce From: "Shirley, Mark R" Subject: RE: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm > You don't. > > From: jeff dilling [mailto:jeff_dilling@yahoo.com] > > Subject: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm > > how do you dis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 27 16:04:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA09355 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:04:01 -0700 Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (mail1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.40]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA09349 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:03:49 -0700 Received: from cr929909a ([24.112.104.174]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010627230337.BKTT4517.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@cr929909a> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:03:37 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c0ff5d$82f464f0$ae687018@cr929909a> From: "Clare Snyder" To: References: <200106270800.BAA04453@hektor.valesh.com> Subject: intake plenum size? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:04:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Just a quick question for you fellows - not fuel INJECTION related - There is an optimal "plenum" volume for an intake system. How is it determined? Can't remember if it is the volume of one cyl, or twice the volume? Something like that. Any formula, calculator, or rule of thum - please e-mail me and/or post to the group This is for a carbureted system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Jun 27 16:15:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA09479 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:15:15 -0700 Received: from invictus.bright.net (invictus.bright.net [205.212.123.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA09475 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:15:07 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.163]) by invictus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010627231506.YAHK598.invictus@bruce> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:15:06 -0400 Message-ID: <012c01c0ff5f$0d9ad200$a30ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <200106270800.BAA04453@hektor.valesh.com> <002901c0ff5d$82f464f0$ae687018@cr929909a> Subject: Re: intake plenum size? Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:15:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Trial and error. Period. It's not just plenum volume, but speed is involved. The difference in a 4 to 1 hole spacer can be incredible. Another case of where wood, works. Make a 1/4, and 1/2 spacers in 1 and 4 hole designs. then try all 1/4-1/2-3/4 combinations of them. Bruce From: "Clare Snyder" Subject: intake plenum size? > Just a quick question for you fellows - not fuel INJECTION related - > There is an optimal "plenum" volume for an intake system. How is it determined? > Can't remember if it is the volume of one cyl, or twice the volume? Something > like that. > Any formula, calculator, or rule of thum - please e-mail me and/or post to the > group > This is for a carbureted system. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 28 00:16:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA13118 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:16:25 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (oe38.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.95]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA13114 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:16:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host oe38.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.95] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:15:48 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.160.235.122] From: "944Technologist" To: Subject: Timing gauge? Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:17:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2001 07:15:48.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[281D0830:01C0FFA2] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does anyone make a 2 inch gauge that displays ignition timing for an EFI engine? Getting out on the fender with a timing light at 30MPH is getting old. 8Ž FR Wilk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 28 04:25:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA14171 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 04:25:59 -0700 Received: from firewall.etn.com (firewall.etn.com [151.110.127.15]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id EAA14166 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 04:25:53 -0700 Received: from [151.110.126.62] by firewall.etn.com via smtpd (for 209-79-244-250.dnbonline.com [209.79.244.250]) with SMTP; 28 Jun 2001 11:25:53 UT Received: by cleohsex02.etn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:25:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Shirley, Mark R" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:23:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org And you change sensors, and you change MAP/BP if you have one,etc. I figured if the guy couldn't spell a four word sentence right, he wasn't going to do a swap of this nature. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce [mailto:nacelp@bright.net] > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 7:00 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm > > > > Shhh, please don't tell the guys running the S/C ones with > the syty code (in > a 1227749 ecm) that. IAC is different (but who says you > have to use only > one?). Some kludging needed. > Bruce > > From: "Shirley, Mark R" > Subject: RE: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm > > You don't. > > > > From: jeff dilling [mailto:jeff_dilling@yahoo.com] > > > Subject: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm > > > how do you dis. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" > (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Jun 28 07:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA15108 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:36:05 -0700 Received: from web12401.mail.yahoo.com (web12401.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.128]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id HAA15102 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:35:59 -0700 Message-ID: <20010628143558.60483.qmail@web12401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.45.137.0] by web12401.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:35:58 PDT Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 07:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: jeff dilling Subject: ford motor with gm ecm To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I have the skills too do this just my spelling and typeing are not up to par. The area I wondering about is the distributpor singals --- "Shirley, Mark R" wrote: > And you change sensors, and you change MAP/BP if you > have one,etc. > I figured if the guy couldn't spell a four word > sentence right, he > wasn't going to do a swap of this nature. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bruce [mailto:nacelp@bright.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 7:00 PM > > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > Subject: Re: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm > > > > > > > > Shhh, please don't tell the guys running the S/C > ones with > > the syty code (in > > a 1227749 ecm) that. IAC is different (but who > says you > > have to use only > > one?). Some kludging needed. > > Bruce > > > > From: "Shirley, Mark R" > > Subject: RE: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm > > > You don't. > > > > > > From: jeff dilling > [mailto:jeff_dilling@yahoo.com] > > > > Subject: runnoing ford motor with gm ecm > > > > how do you dis. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe > diy_efi" > > (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe > diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Jun 29 09:18:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28698 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:18:49 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA28681 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:18:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id LAA04489; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:18:13 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xmad04455; Fri, 29 Jun 01 11:17:27 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26587 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:46:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B38E59D.FEEE4F2A@arm.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:42:21 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: has anyone tried this? References: <3B360BEA.6FADB96C@cruzers.com> <02fa01c0fe77$69a29580$0500a8c0@intranet.inductionindustries.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org You'd need two spark signals if you're trying to measure advance. On a distributor engine there should be a reference and spark signal available at the distributor, no inductive pickup needed. For DIS you'd have to tap into the crank sensor and spark signal. Would be a way of getting a spark curve out of a non-ecm vehicle to use as a starting point for an efi conversion. --steve Jeff Bromberger wrote: > > I'm getting ready to add an aftermarket computer to my honda civic... my > concern is not the WOT tuning but rather the drivability/fuel economy type > stuff... i was thinking that it would be really handy to have a tool that > would log conditions in the current factory PCM to build a profile of the > fuel and timing maps... i'm picturing two inductive probes: one for spark > plug wire #1 and one for injector wire #1... beyond that you'd only need the > map sensor signal. the software that is monitoring these signals/pulses > could fill in the standard 2D tables for fuel and spark and give you a big > headstart when you go to tuning the aftermarket efi system "from scratch"... > does anyone make anything like this? I could definitely write the software, > but beyond a few basic PIC projects, i'm not that up on the hardware end of > things... though i imagine the hardware would be fairly simple... thoughts? > > thanks, > jeff > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Jun 29 09:22:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28730 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:22:05 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA28675; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:18:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id LAA04481; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:18:11 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma004455; Fri, 29 Jun 01 11:17:26 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23621; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:20:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B3B90AB.3B95F686@arm.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:16:43 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi , efi_332 Subject: vision of the future Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I never saw this come through so I'm resending. Get a peek at what's to come at the following link. Keep it mind it's a prototype... http://diy-efi.org/gmecm/test/ --steve -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Jun 29 09:25:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28833 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:25:34 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA28678; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:18:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id LAA04485; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:18:12 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xmab04455; Fri, 29 Jun 01 11:17:26 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16726; Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:25:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B3B4B8C.44CCA135@arm.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:21:48 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi , gmecm@diy-efi.org, efi_332 Subject: vision of the future Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I never saw this come through so I'm resending. Get a peek at what's to come at the following link. Keep it mind it's a prototype... http://diy-efi.org/gmecm/test/ --steve -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Jun 29 09:25:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28836 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:25:37 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA28680; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:18:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id LAA04487; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:18:12 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xmac04455; Fri, 29 Jun 01 11:17:26 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16424; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:03:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B39D8C2.C977BF6E@arm.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 07:59:46 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi , gmecm@diy-efi.org, efi_332 Subject: vision of the future Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org To get an idea of what's to come, take a look at this link. This is just a test, and it's gmecm only, but the real thing isn't far behind... http://diy-efi.org/gmecm/test/ --steve -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Jun 29 09:50:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA29624 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:50:21 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA29406; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 09:45:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id LAA04617; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:45:11 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma004615; Fri, 29 Jun 01 11:44:50 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16368; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:44:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B3CAF72.5ED3F23E@arm.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:40:18 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi , gmecm@diy-efi.org, efi_332 Subject: sorry... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org There was a sendmail problem at this end, so the "vision" email came through too many times. It's not so neat that I need to announce it a dozen times :-) --steve -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Jun 29 14:08:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA00406 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:08:12 -0700 Received: from green.twrol.com ([209.234.169.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA00397 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:08:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [209.234.169.2] claimed to be green.twrol.com Received: from b (p7.r2.abq.nm.twrol.com [209.234.169.161]) by green.twrol.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5T6Ula90616 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jyancey@twrol.com) Message-ID: <001e01c10066$f21967e0$0200000a@b.com> From: "Joel Yancey" To: References: <20010627032726.20995.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com> <00b601c0ff48$94474200$1626fa18@alntn1.tx.home.com> Subject: Re: Mitsu Starion Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:40:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I just rebuild my 85.5 ESI Conquest (same as a Starion). The TPI setup on this car makes any domestic manufacturers look like complete geniuses. It's a peice of crap. If you can, try a MPFI setup (I would do that when I can afford a standalone EFI). Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Weldy" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Mitsu Starion > Mitsu montero heads flow more cfm-and bolt right on...I worked on a number > of these at Takin it to the streets racin-or a to z performance.Good little > cars-more than likely he has a boost leak or some loose vacuum hoses > somewhere-there are a ton of them. > Kris Weldy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LEIF BERTELSEN" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:27 PM > Subject: Mitsu Starion > > > > My off line buddy wanted me to ask you guys for > > advice. > > He bought a 1986 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R new when we > > were in college. He had scraped together the cash to > > buy it and I never really new how(it was about 16 > > grand if i remember correctly). Anyway.....He > > maintained it meticulously for 100K miles. I replaced > > the turbo once. He always had driveability probs with > > the thing. These probs have gotten progressively worse > > and no one can seem to diagnose. He is adamant about > > changing to a new engine management system. I do not > > know squat about this but I am a good wrench and will > > help in any way I can. Anyone know which way to go > > with this thing..... It's a 2.6 four. intercooler with > > a cheesy looking throttle body style injection. Port > > fuel?......This guy loves this car and wants to run it > > forever at any cost. > > Thanks. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Jun 29 14:08:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA00405 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:08:11 -0700 Received: from green.twrol.com ([209.234.169.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA00395 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:08:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [209.234.169.2] claimed to be green.twrol.com Received: from b (p7.r2.abq.nm.twrol.com [209.234.169.161]) by green.twrol.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5T6Upa90623 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:30:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jyancey@twrol.com) Message-ID: <001f01c10066$f43a2500$0200000a@b.com> From: "Joel Yancey" To: References: <2d.da10ab8.286b28c8@aol.com> Subject: Re: Mitsu Starion Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:43:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Oh, a note on this... The 85.5 and 86's (some 86's) can run without a MAS sensor, because it also has a MAP sensor. Many owners have reported better throttle response, better power, and better gasmilage by removing the Karman vortec MAS altogether. Just a thought. I've done this, and it's improved that drivability of the car somewhat. Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 6:17 AM Subject: Re: Mitsu Starion > I've work on two of these cars in my entire life. > Don't know if it is the rule, but BOTH ran like crap > due to a bad mass airflow sensor. Ya might want to start there if your symptons warrant it. > Both times the cars idled like sh*t and gas milage was way down. > HTH > Mike V > > In a message dated Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:30:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LEIF BERTELSEN writes: > > << My off line buddy wanted me to ask you guys for > advice. > He bought a 1986 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R new when we > were in college. He had scraped together the cash to > buy it and I never really new how(it was about 16 > grand if i remember correctly). Anyway.....He > maintained it meticulously for 100K miles. I replaced > the turbo once. He always had driveability probs with > the thing. These probs have gotten progressively worse > and no one can seem to diagnose. He is adamant about > changing to a new engine management system. I do not > know squat about this but I am a good wrench and will > help in any way I can. Anyone know which way to go > with this thing..... It's a 2.6 four. intercooler with > a cheesy looking throttle body style injection. Port > fuel?......This guy loves this car and wants to run it > forever at any cost. > Thanks. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Jun 30 04:03:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA06015 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 04:03:22 -0700 Received: from thunder.adam.com.au (thunder.adam.com.au [203.2.124.10]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id EAA06010 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 04:03:02 -0700 Received: (qmail 37375 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2001 11:03:02 -0000 Received: from t2-185.adam.com.au (HELO ijweaver) (150.101.241.185) by thunder.adam.com.au with SMTP; 30 Jun 2001 11:03:02 -0000 Message-ID: <00ad01c10154$1b09eb00$b9f16596@adam.com.au> From: "Ian Weaver" To: Subject: Qestions from a new member Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 20:31:20 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi all, I would like information and questions answered. I am looking at doing an engine change over. I have a Ford 4x4 van with a 2lt carbi engine and looking at changing it to a 2.6lt 12v efi engine out of a Ford 4x4 pick up, late 90's model. The 2lt carbi engine has the engine number prefix " FE " 1- Can this be done ? 2-Do I need to change the gearbox or can I use the one already in the van ? 3-What type of computer ? 4-Does it run a BCM ? 5-Do I have to run the BCM ? 6-What securities are on the computer ? 7-Are the securities easily removed ? 8-Anything tricky with the wiring ? Thankyou for listening and look forward to favorable responses, Ian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Jun 30 22:44:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA14006 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:44:13 -0700 Received: from femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.82]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA14002 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:44:06 -0700 Received: from cc693406a ([65.11.182.46]) by femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010701054400.SORL8342.femail2.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc693406a> for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2001 22:44:00 -0700 Message-ID: <003801c101f1$03a3d820$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: <3B3CAF72.5ED3F23E@arm.com> Subject: Re: sorry... Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:45:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Is there any way we could see the messages we missed during the outages? dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve ravet" To: "diy_efi" ; ; "efi_332" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: sorry... > There was a sendmail problem at this end, so the "vision" email came > through too many times. It's not so neat that I need to announce it a > dozen times :-) > > --steve > > -- > Steve Ravet > steve.ravet@arm.com > ARM,Inc. > www.arm.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Jul 1 01:01:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA14634 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:01:01 -0700 Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA14619 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 01:00:44 -0700 Received: from cc693406a ([65.11.182.46]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010701075912.DXPM26625.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc693406a>; Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:59:12 -0700 Message-ID: <018901c10203$e64f5200$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: Cc: "Mark S. Riley" , "\"Randolph Marc\"" Subject: EGOR artwork posted Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 03:00:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I have posted the first cut of the EGOR artwork. DO NOT MAKE boards from this artwork! I have made a few changes. I added connectors. I may have added them in the wrong place, so please correct me as needed. Especially, I would guess that CON1 pin 1 goes to Vp. Why can't the two power supplies created by D1 and D3 be combined? The two resistors R38 and R39 can be removed when the artwork is nearer to completetion. It allows my tools to remain happy during the debug stage. I changed the size of C2 and C3 so as to have good layout info. I don't know too much about the use of this circuit. Should it be mounted in an enclosure? David Hunt (bama) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org