From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 1 14:20:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27227 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:20:16 -0700 Received: from femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.147]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA27223 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:20:07 -0700 Received: from cr29243a ([24.102.178.19]) by femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010801211955.MYIY9561.femail22.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cr29243a> for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:19:55 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c11ae8$f1a5e300$13b26618@pr1.on.wave.home.com> From: "Walter Sherwin" To: References: <002501c11a32$b713ce20$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> <00a901c11a38$d5445300$677ba8c0@aboite1.in.home.com> Subject: Re: Data Logger Reccomendations? Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:20:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Campbell Scientific makes a nice data logger that will accept a variety of > inputs. You can sometimes get a good deal on a Fluke or HP Hydra data logger > on ebay. If you don't need to record too many channels or don't need very > fast recording, some of the DVM or scopemeter products can be used as data > loggers with the PC software and a laptop (I know Tenma, Tektronix and Fluke > all make products in this category and you can sometimes get the PC software > compatible DVMs for under $100). I can't remember what company it is, but I > think the product is WinDAQ or something like that and they have a one or > two channel PC data logger that they provide at little to no cost as a > sample of what the larger systems can do. > > Jason > That cheapie board is from DATAQ. They are on the web. IIRC under $20 US...... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 1 14:21:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27251 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:21:54 -0700 Received: from ns.texan.net (IDENT:root@texan.net [208.244.32.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA27242 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:21:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host IDENT:root@texan.net [208.244.32.2] claimed to be ns.texan.net Received: from TSRN01 ([208.248.122.150]) by ns.texan.net (8.11.2/8.11.4) with SMTP id f6VMY2n17275 for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:34:02 -0500 Message-ID: <008901c11a10$181283b0$967af8d0@TEXAN.NET> From: "Brett Downs" To: References: <00e701c117ac$f7ba73d0$967af8d0@TEXAN.NET> <3B668FC8.EF94409D@earthlink.net> <006301c11a06$86719080$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> Subject: Re: Hi i am new to the list and i have a cpl of ??'s Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:28:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org that is true. wow sounds like you guys have quite an extensive background in the field of eletrical engineering = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hunt" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Hi i am new to the list and i have a cpl of ??'s > The frequency is constant, it is the duration that varies. A frequency to > voltage converter won't do the job. The function is like a dwell meter. > The frequency to voltage converter is like a tachometer. > dh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Obernberger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 6:00 AM > Subject: Re: Hi i am new to the list and i have a cpl of ??'s > > > > You might be able to do this with a frequency to voltage converter chip. > Even > > might be able to get one for free from national semiconductor's webpage as > a > > sample. That would convert the injector signal into a linear voltage > signal - > > then one could use a normal voltmeter/panel meter (simple voltmeter with > > display) to watch the duty cycle. I've never tried this. > > > > joeo > > > > > > Brett Downs wrote: > > > > > I have an EFI toyota supra 87 model and i was wondering how could i > measure > > > the injector duty and make my own little gauge for it?? > > > > > > And about how many people are on this list?? > > > > > > Brett Downs > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 1 17:07:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA28238 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:07:50 -0700 Received: from leia.access-tech.com (42.smgi.com [208.5.80.42] (may be forged)) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA28234 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:07:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host 42.smgi.com [208.5.80.42] (may be forged) claimed to be leia.access-tech.com Received: from ix.netcom.com (GAMER2 [10.8.1.245]) by leia.access-tech.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id PQSLKM4P; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:08:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3B68997B.D4BB2CC2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:06:20 -0500 From: Shane Moseley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Data Logger Reccomendations? References: <002501c11a32$b713ce20$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> <00a901c11a38$d5445300$677ba8c0@aboite1.in.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thats probably Dataq (www.dataq.com). I have their $15 data acquisition starter kit. It has 4 channels of +/-10V analog inputs sampled at a rate of 240 samples/sec. What is that...a 4.2ms resolution? Includes Winblows software that looks like a four channel o-scope. Has ability to log the data to the harddisk for inport into excel, etc. Helluva deal. A little bit larger than a pack of chewing gum. Took about 3 days to get to my doorstep after ordering online. I also use my OBD-2 scan tool (from www.obd-2.com) to select the data I am interested in (or all of them) and sample those at a frequency of about 4 samples per second when the PCM ('96 Dodge/Chrysler) is not busy and only about 2 samples per second (way too slow) while PCM is busy (like WOT!). This is while reading ALL sensors - maybe it would be faster when selecting less data. But seriously tho - when it is easier to select ALL the data - why would you not? - especially when troubleshooting. I wish I had the resolution of the hardware solution w/the flexibility of the PCMs SCI interface/software combination. The scan tool logs all its data also to a flat ascii text file. Makes for cool trending via your favorite graphing tool. Hope this helps - Latr, Shane Jason Haines wrote: > Campbell Scientific makes a nice data logger that will accept a variety of > inputs. You can sometimes get a good deal on a Fluke or HP Hydra data logger > on ebay. If you don't need to record too many channels or don't need very > fast recording, some of the DVM or scopemeter products can be used as data > loggers with the PC software and a laptop (I know Tenma, Tektronix and Fluke > all make products in this category and you can sometimes get the PC software > compatible DVMs for under $100). I can't remember what company it is, but I > think the product is WinDAQ or something like that and they have a one or > two channel PC data logger that they provide at little to no cost as a > sample of what the larger systems can do. > > Jason > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Hunt" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:36 PM > Subject: Data Logger Reccomendations? > > > Can anyone recommend any data loggers? > > > > dh > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org -- '96 IndyRam-HisIndy-MPI TB Pulleys RTcam MPComp HVoilpump DynaGearDoubleRoller WindageTray CompTAs '96 IndyRam-HerIndy-numbered(#142)"Track Truck" '74 Triple-Black Dodge Challenger Rallye 360 EFI R&D vehicle '93 Dakota CC 318 - soon to be mine 8) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 1 17:32:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA28366 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:32:12 -0700 Received: from cgpro.iccx.net (webmail.iccx.net [166.93.205.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA28360 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:32:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host webmail.iccx.net [166.93.205.11] claimed to be cgpro.iccx.net Received: from [206.168.145.89] (HELO [206.168.145.89]) by cgpro.iccx.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 71092262 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:31:45 -0600 X-Sender: bearbvd@mail.cmn.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:35:13 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: bearbvd@cmn.net (Greg Hermann) Subject: RE: Logger Sampling Rate Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 2:03 PM 8/1/01, Flanagan, Steve wrote: >Dont think you will be able to get WB readings for individual cylinder, >unless you >are using 8 sensors. > >If you wanted to use one sensor don't know if reacts quick enough, do you >have equal >length headers, this may be a concern? > >Would love to hear if this is possible. Anyone have comments on this? > The NTK WB sensor does, in fact react fast enough to pick out individual cylinders on one sensor, maybe up to 4 or 5 K rpm on a 4 cyl. Good point about reasonably equal headers making it easier to do. Greg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 2 06:43:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA32682 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:43:47 -0700 Received: from ns.texan.net (IDENT:root@texan.net [208.244.32.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA32677 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:43:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host IDENT:root@texan.net [208.244.32.2] claimed to be ns.texan.net Received: from TSRN01 ([208.248.122.150]) by ns.texan.net (8.11.2/8.11.4) with SMTP id f71IbZn24618 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:37:35 -0500 Message-ID: <002101c11ab8$39f95230$967af8d0@TEXAN.NET> From: "Brett Downs" To: References: <00e701c117ac$f7ba73d0$967af8d0@TEXAN.NET> <3B668FC8.EF94409D@earthlink.net> <002101c119f0$da999bf0$967af8d0@TEXAN.NET> <3B67F7F4.477A940E@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Hi i am new to the list and i have a cpl of ??'s Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:31:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org yea = ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Obernberger" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: Re: Hi i am new to the list and i have a cpl of ??'s > Sorry about my bad suggestion - as others have pointed out that just won't work. > > Could make a nice tach though... > :-) > > joeo > > > Brett Downs wrote: > > > cool thanx = ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joseph Obernberger" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 6:00 AM > > Subject: Re: Hi i am new to the list and i have a cpl of ??'s > > > > > You might be able to do this with a frequency to voltage converter chip. > > Even > > > might be able to get one for free from national semiconductor's webpage as > > a > > > sample. That would convert the injector signal into a linear voltage > > signal - > > > then one could use a normal voltmeter/panel meter (simple voltmeter with > > > display) to watch the duty cycle. I've never tried this. > > > > > > joeo > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 2 06:43:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA32678 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:43:39 -0700 Received: from ns.texan.net (IDENT:root@texan.net [208.244.32.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA32673 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:43:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host IDENT:root@texan.net [208.244.32.2] claimed to be ns.texan.net Received: from TSRN01 ([208.248.122.150]) by ns.texan.net (8.11.2/8.11.4) with SMTP id f71IeNn26360 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:40:23 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c11ab8$9e4485c0$967af8d0@TEXAN.NET> From: "Brett Downs" To: References: <3B68030D.3060807@home.com> Subject: Re: Oops! new poster and seller take 2! Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:34:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org do you have pics of the wheels and how much do you want for them?? Brett brettd@broadcast.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 2 07:04:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA00353 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:04:46 -0700 Received: from mailout2-eri1.midsouth.rr.com (mailout2-eri1.midsouth.rr.com [24.165.200.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA00349 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:04:39 -0700 Received: from jubserv (HubW-mcr-24-95-119-136.midsouth.rr.com [24.95.119.136]) by mailout2-eri1.midsouth.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id f72E33g16220 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:03:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006c01c11b5b$b57e1f00$0400a8c0@hartwigimports.com> From: "Jurgen Hartwig" To: Subject: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:02:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi all, I could use any advice anyone can lend. I bought an Autronic SMC engine management system. It has the Autotune feature (adjusts AFR based on input from WB controller). The Autronic requires 0-1V input. There is only one solution, according to Autronic, and that is their own Autronic controller (at cost over $1000US). They say the M&W controller is not a good match to the Autronic (AFR not stable). FJO Inc, has what appears to be a very nice unit. It is $636, with sensor and display. However, according to their engineer, their unit would not work with my Autronic. He tells me that 0-1 V and 4-5V on the analog output is reserved for communications with their own ECU, and the AFR is shown from 1-4 V. Now my question is this: How can I filter, alter, or create a new signal to reflect the ratio? The FJO unit has serial output. Is there any way I can generate a voltage from the computer suitable for the ECU to read? I mean, the laptop will know the AFR. Is it possible, without a lot of work, to create a voltage on the 0-1V scale to be sent to my Autronic? I have a feeling I need to just bite the bullet and pay the $1000, but if I can save money, I will surely go for it. Thanks jay PS> If any other Autronic owners have dealt with this, please let me know. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 2 07:27:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA00541 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:27:31 -0700 Received: from cgpro.iccx.net (webmail.iccx.net [166.93.205.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA00535 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:27:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host webmail.iccx.net [166.93.205.11] claimed to be cgpro.iccx.net Received: from [206.168.145.204] (HELO [206.168.145.204]) by cgpro.iccx.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 71290434 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:27:10 -0600 X-Sender: bearbvd@mail.cmn.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:30:39 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: bearbvd@cmn.net (Greg Hermann) Subject: Re: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >I bought an Autronic SMC engine management system. It has the Autotune >feature (adjusts AFR based on input from WB controller). > >I have a feeling I need to just bite the bullet and pay the $1000, but if I >can save money, I will surely go for it. > >Thanks >jay > My personal feeling is that a properly built engine does not need auto-tune. Basically, if you have decent datalogging when you first set it up, and tune it properly, it will stay there for a good long time. After tuning it properly, pull the O2 sensor(s) out and put plugs in the holes, and avoid the expense of sensor replacement! Greg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 2 10:15:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA09070 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:15:25 -0700 Received: from comet.connix.com (root@comet.connix.com [198.69.10.4]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA09064 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:15:19 -0700 Received: from connix.com ([63.116.137.34]) by comet.connix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06160; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B698A88.BC09107A@connix.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:14:48 -0400 From: Bill Shaw X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nostar@home.com, diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: New poster and seller of some go fast goodies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Awesome job Doug! I'd love to be doing that kind of programming. I've been doing embedded controllers for over 20 years, and playing with EFI for the past few. I'd really love to be doing EFI code full time (and getting paid for it!). Welcome to the list. Bill '94 Z28 '84 Mondial Cabriolet '78 Fiat 124 Spider (FI & '749) http://www.connix.com/~bshaw/mondial.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 2 10:34:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA09212 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:34:07 -0700 Received: from femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.24]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA09206 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:33:59 -0700 Received: from cc693406a ([65.11.182.46]) by femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010802173347.SFIL15269.femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc693406a> for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:33:47 -0700 Message-ID: <003c01c11b79$8b5e7260$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: <20010727094544.13462.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.20010731134435.00d2ec70@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <3B6728DA.D7CC5CE@nni.com> <3B673C0A.C2D30F8B@grolen.com> Subject: Re: DIY-EGOR status Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:35:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I did the recent artwork and it was reviewed (thank you very much) but only by one person. Unfortunately I misnamed the file as #egorsch.zip. It is in the archives at: ftp://ftp.diy-efi.org/incoming Most web browsers will go there by clicking the above address, although a FTP program would be better. After unzipping the file contains EVERYTHING needed to make the current version of the board with ORCAD SDT. That is the only version I own. I would have used the recent free ORCAD stuff but their limit is 60 devices, which is just barely too few for this design. I was very much hoping that some discourse would be generated to determine - 1) The types of connectors to be used. - At this time I'm using .1" headers for the connections. For example, I would think that a mini DIN for the sensor would be cool. Other suggestions would be appropriate. 2) The enclosure to be used - I was looking at some of the self contained battery enclosures I found one (I forget where right now) that was a meter case with the 9 Volt battery terminals built in. There is also the possibility of having the unit powered by the automobile which would require me to add a 12 Volt option and possibly change the case and/or add a switch...etc. 3) The type of output - Right now is the time to add output options. I can see an LED bar graph which would be a battery killer, but not out of the question - especially if the unit were car powered. The NiMH batteries would certainly help the battery situation of an LED bar graph were added. An output scaled to use a panel meter is an option. And even an LCD output that reads out in A/F is possible. Input is requested. In regard to the EGOR. Don't ever underestimate the importance of quality design and support. For example, I don't understand the present WB design. I am only laying out the board. I'd like to, understand it better but that isn't a priority right now. You may or may not be able to find me or another person that has any relationship with the WB in the future. There will be no unified support for the WB and there is no indication that parts will be available in the future. Just to give you an example. I haven't worked on the project for quite some time and I am not apologetic. It is a background task. I have more pressing tasks. This is not my income...etc. I don't think that this would surprise anyone, nor do I think that it upsets anyone. It's a hobby thing. If you purchase an EGOR I suspect that you will get a well thought out, commercial design that is designed with good packaging, support and durability. In other words, the WB project is a hobby project and the EGOR is a commercial product. They have little in common. If I had the money and it was very important to me, say I made my living at it, I"d buy an EGOR. Also, we are where we are today due to the efforts of others, and I for one appreciate their efforts. Many others. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannen Durphey" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: Re: DIY-EGOR status > The only thing I can make of that right now is DeW-B. > > Shannen > > rr wrote: > > > > EGOR is dead. Long live the DIY-WB! > > > > BobR. > > > > Brian Renegar wrote: > > > > > Just wondering what the current status of the EGOR project is. Has the > > > artwork been drawn up yet? Also, how much testing of the circuit has been > > > done, and any in conjunction with a commercially available wide band meter > > > for accuracy testing? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brian > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 2 11:29:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA09860 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:29:07 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id LAA09856 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:29:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id NAA06784; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:28:59 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma006781; Thu, 2 Aug 01 13:28:07 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27460 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:28:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B699AB7.D43D82F7@arm.com> Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:23:51 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY-EGOR status References: <20010727094544.13462.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.20010731134435.00d2ec70@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <3B6728DA.D7CC5CE@nni.com> <3B673C0A.C2D30F8B@grolen.com> <003c01c11b79$8b5e7260$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org David Hunt wrote: > 3) The type of output - Right now is the time to add output options. I can > see an LED bar graph which would be a battery killer, but not out of the > question - especially if the unit were car powered. The NiMH batteries would > certainly help the battery situation of an LED bar graph were added. An > output scaled to use a panel meter is an option. And even an LCD output > that reads out in A/F is possible. How about a barrel jack that can be connected to a 12VDC wall wart, or a cigarette lighter, and a NiCd battery pack that automatically charges when the thing is plugged in? --steve -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 2 14:04:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA11480 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:04:28 -0700 Received: from femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com (imail@femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.18]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA11476 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:04:17 -0700 Received: from cc693406a ([65.11.182.46]) by femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010802210255.YHPX863.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc693406a> for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:02:55 -0700 Message-ID: <007701c11b96$c19caf00$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: <20010727094544.13462.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> <4.1.20010731134435.00d2ec70@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <3B6728DA.D7CC5CE@nni.com> <3B673C0A.C2D30F8B@grolen.com> <003c01c11b79$8b5e7260$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> <3B699AB7.D43D82F7@arm.com> Subject: Re: DIY-EGOR status Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:03:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org That's reasonable. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve ravet" To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: Re: DIY-EGOR status > > > David Hunt wrote: > > > 3) The type of output - Right now is the time to add output options. I can > > see an LED bar graph which would be a battery killer, but not out of the > > question - especially if the unit were car powered. The NiMH batteries would > > certainly help the battery situation of an LED bar graph were added. An > > output scaled to use a panel meter is an option. And even an LCD output > > that reads out in A/F is possible. > > How about a barrel jack that can be connected to a 12VDC wall wart, or a > cigarette lighter, and a NiCd battery pack that automatically charges > when the thing is plugged in? > > --steve > > > -- > Steve Ravet > steve.ravet@arm.com > ARM,Inc. > www.arm.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 2 21:12:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA13969 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:12:22 -0700 Received: from robin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (robin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.65]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA13965 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:12:04 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0002.cvx7-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.164.2]) by robin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10010 for ; Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: DIY-EGOR status Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:11:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <003c01c11b79$8b5e7260$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org David, fwiw, I don't care what box it is in as long as it is not stuffed into a mini box that is hard to work on. this is for personal consumption, I would prefer workability over small size any day. Same goes for connectors, as long as they are common & simple to get. No worries. I would like to see +12Vdc input. my logic is that this is going into a car. even if I am not running it on the street (Dyno) there is still going to be a car & most of them have lighter sockets. I don't really have an input on the display, I have never used one, so don't know what is good & what is not. I thought I had a good line on simple digital displays (we use them @ work). after looking into them I found out that we pay $90 EA for them, in volume. this in ones & twos they are probably $100 or $110. not for the DIYer if you ask me. LED's I would imagine would be a good thing. I would however like to have a 0 - 1 VDC output (or the option for one). this way I could data-log later in life if I grew up to do so. I understand you position & appreciate all the help/hard work that you are putting in on this project. For that matter, that goes to all you that contribute to the list. I have learned volumes about this stuff, in a very short period of time & actually find it interesting how much guys (car guys @ that) are wiling to help out people that they wouldn't know if they ran into them on 1st & main. THANKS, I only hope that I can help, to contribute something useful some day. BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of David Hunt Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:36 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY-EGOR status I did the recent artwork and it was reviewed (thank you very much) but only by one person. Unfortunately I misnamed the file as #egorsch.zip. It is in the archives at: ftp://ftp.diy-efi.org/incoming Most web browsers will go there by clicking the above address, although a FTP program would be better. After unzipping the file contains EVERYTHING needed to make the current version of the board with ORCAD SDT. That is the only version I own. I would have used the recent free ORCAD stuff but their limit is 60 devices, which is just barely too few for this design. I was very much hoping that some discourse would be generated to determine - 1) The types of connectors to be used. - At this time I'm using .1" headers for the connections. For example, I would think that a mini DIN for the sensor would be cool. Other suggestions would be appropriate. 2) The enclosure to be used - I was looking at some of the self contained battery enclosures I found one (I forget where right now) that was a meter case with the 9 Volt battery terminals built in. There is also the possibility of having the unit powered by the automobile which would require me to add a 12 Volt option and possibly change the case and/or add a switch...etc. 3) The type of output - Right now is the time to add output options. I can see an LED bar graph which would be a battery killer, but not out of the question - especially if the unit were car powered. The NiMH batteries would certainly help the battery situation of an LED bar graph were added. An output scaled to use a panel meter is an option. And even an LCD output that reads out in A/F is possible. Input is requested. In regard to the EGOR. Don't ever underestimate the importance of quality design and support. For example, I don't understand the present WB design. I am only laying out the board. I'd like to, understand it better but that isn't a priority right now. You may or may not be able to find me or another person that has any relationship with the WB in the future. There will be no unified support for the WB and there is no indication that parts will be available in the future. Just to give you an example. I haven't worked on the project for quite some time and I am not apologetic. It is a background task. I have more pressing tasks. This is not my income...etc. I don't think that this would surprise anyone, nor do I think that it upsets anyone. It's a hobby thing. If you purchase an EGOR I suspect that you will get a well thought out, commercial design that is designed with good packaging, support and durability. In other words, the WB project is a hobby project and the EGOR is a commercial product. They have little in common. If I had the money and it was very important to me, say I made my living at it, I"d buy an EGOR. Also, we are where we are today due to the efforts of others, and I for one appreciate their efforts. Many others. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannen Durphey" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: Re: DIY-EGOR status > The only thing I can make of that right now is DeW-B. > > Shannen > > rr wrote: > > > > EGOR is dead. Long live the DIY-WB! > > > > BobR. > > > > Brian Renegar wrote: > > > > > Just wondering what the current status of the EGOR project is. Has the > > > artwork been drawn up yet? Also, how much testing of the circuit has been > > > done, and any in conjunction with a commercially available wide band meter > > > for accuracy testing? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Brian > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 3 04:30:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA16197 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:30:14 -0700 Received: from mail2.aracnet.com (mail2.aracnet.com [216.99.193.35]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA16192 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:30:01 -0700 Received: from chameleon (216-99-207-210.cust.aracnet.com [216.99.207.210]) by mail2.aracnet.com (8.11.4/8.11.0) with SMTP id f73BTqL02632; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:29:52 -0700 From: "Seth Bibler" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Re[2]: Mazda rotaries. Pre mix and octane reduction Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:29:51 -0700 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001601c10d2e$bc8b7f80$ea1a3004@default> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sorry for the late reply, but... > Jim Downing who won numerous IMSA titles with a rotary just used premix. > The pumps would fail at high rpm. If you talk to the people at racing beat > in California, they may be able to guide you. Of the three book on rotaries > I have read, they all stated that rotaries are relatively insensitive to > octane when compared with the piston. It must have something to do with the > dramatically different combustion chamber shape, and the dual ignition. Yeah, well Mazda uses one on their 4 rotor 787B engine. That engine was power tuned for sub 10,000 RPMs though... and the pump is attached to a Dry sump setup. Still, if Mazda is using it... > Say, what oil pressure you running in the main lube cirucit? Let me know > off list. I'm running 95psi, but that's because I have a ported oiling system with 3-window main bearings. The stock pressure is fine for normal bearings. Seth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 3 04:42:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA16285 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:42:28 -0700 Received: from io.europa.com (IDENT:root@io.europa.com [216.65.131.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA16280 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:42:21 -0700 Received: from chameleon (216-99-207-210.cust.aracnet.com [216.99.207.210]) by io.europa.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f73Bg8w04848 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:42:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Seth Bibler" To: Subject: Mazda RX-7 '89-'91 MAF -> aftermarket hotwire? Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 04:42:08 -0700 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hello, I wanted to see if you gurus on this list can help me out with this one. I am trying to figure out how to upgrade from the stock Mazda MAF (ND cone-style) to an aftermarket 80mm (or bigger) hotwire MAF. I guess a stock one from a Nissan or something else would work, as long as I can make the signal translate. Now, the Mazda MAF uses a 5 pin hookup... TS - air intake thermosensor E2 - bus (from ecu -> thermosensor) E2 - bus (from ecu -> MAF pot) The E2 pins are bridged internally. Why there are two? I don't know. Vs - one side of the pot I'm guessing that this side connects to the fuel pump relay for safety. Vc - the other This side should be connected to the ECU Since it's a pot the ECU is simply measuring the resistance/voltage change. The problem is I don't know what values translate to what output (no map), and I don't have a flow bench to figure that out. Then the other unknown is does a hotwire's output work similarly? What has to be done to translate/convert the signal? I'm guessing that someone has done this before, but if not then I'd be willing to sort through the problems. Also, if anyone has a good link to information on this topic I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you! Seth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 3 05:40:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA16766 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:40:49 -0700 Received: from mail2.aracnet.com (mail2.aracnet.com [216.99.193.35]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA16762 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:40:43 -0700 Received: from chameleon (216-99-207-210.cust.aracnet.com [216.99.207.210]) by mail2.aracnet.com (8.11.4/8.11.0) with SMTP id f73CegL09513 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:40:42 -0700 From: "Seth Bibler" To: Subject: RE: Mazda rotaries. Pre mix and octane reduction Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 05:40:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > location is a compromise. Also, why would you want to burn dirty engine oil, > When you can run a nice syntheic premix that was designed to burn clean. You can purchase/make a supply adapter that mounts between the front cover and the MOP allowing you to run this better synthetic oil from a supply tank. That way you retain the lubrication system. Another possibility is to use the '87-'88 MOP. It is mechanically actuated.. so you'd have to adapt a linkage to the TB. Also the pre '89 MOP mounts differently, so you'd have to change the front cover, or modify your existing one. If you make an adapter to supply the MOP with 2-stroke oil then you can design the adapter to accommodate this change. Seth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 3 08:19:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA17268 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:19:05 -0700 Received: from smtp2.home.se (smtp2.home.se [195.66.35.201]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA17263 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:18:55 -0700 Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.65.52] by smtp1.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:14:26 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:24:10 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <006c01c11b5b$b57e1f00$0400a8c0@hartwigimports.com> Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi, Here in sweden the M&W controller is used with autronics autotune, I think that the problem is not as big as it sounds. Since the 0-1v output on the autronic WB controller is equal to 10-30AFR and the M&W controller has a 10-20AFR range a potentiometer is used to make the number on the display and the number the autronic ECU sees match. By the way, how much are the M&W controller in the US? After looking at the response curve of the canadian unit (FJO inc), I have found it not to be very suitable. I would rather read the serial output of the controller and make a Atmel processor send a pwm voltage signal to the autronic ECU. The serial output has the values in acsii format if I understood it right. This should be a simple operation in BASCOM-AVR. You could apply any filtering you need in the program code. Jörgen Karlsson Gothenburg, Sweden. > Hi all, I could use any advice anyone can lend. > > I bought an Autronic SMC engine management system. It has the Autotune > feature (adjusts AFR based on input from WB controller). The Autronic > requires 0-1V input. There is only one solution, according to > Autronic, and > that is their own Autronic controller (at cost over $1000US). > They say the > M&W controller is not a good match to the Autronic (AFR not stable). > > FJO Inc, has what appears to be a very nice unit. It is $636, with sensor > and display. However, according to their engineer, their unit would not > work with my Autronic. He tells me that 0-1 V and 4-5V on the > analog output > is reserved for communications with their own ECU, and the AFR is > shown from > 1-4 V. > Now my question is this: How can I filter, alter, or create a > new signal to > reflect the ratio? The FJO unit has serial output. Is there any > way I can > generate a voltage from the computer suitable for the ECU to > read? I mean, > the laptop will know the AFR. Is it possible, without a lot of work, to > create a voltage on the 0-1V scale to be sent to my Autronic? > > I have a feeling I need to just bite the bullet and pay the > $1000, but if I > can save money, I will surely go for it. > > Thanks > jay > > PS> If any other Autronic owners have dealt with this, please let me know. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 3 08:29:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA17289 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:29:10 -0700 Received: from smtp2.home.se (smtp2.home.se [195.66.35.201]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA17285 for ; Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:27:45 -0700 Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.65.52] by smtp1.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:22:09 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?us-ascii?Q?Jorgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:31:53 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Autotune is only used to make initial setup, it does what you normally do on the dyno. You stabilize the engine on a load site and instead of you reading the AFR and changing it the computer does it all by it self. It is not like the WOT closed loop operation of the SpeedPro where the wide band lambda is used all the time. I also agree that closed loop operation is not needed after the engine is tuned. Jorgen Karlsson Gothenburg, Sweden. > My personal feeling is that a properly built engine does not need > auto-tune. > > Basically, if you have decent datalogging when you first set it up, and > tune it properly, it will stay there for a good long time. After tuning it > properly, pull the O2 sensor(s) out and put plugs in the holes, and avoid > the expense of sensor replacement! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 6 18:07:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA00673 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:07:21 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (oe39.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.96]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA00667 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:07:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host oe39.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.96] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:32:26 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.166.196.105] From: "944Technologist" To: Subject: BMW Binaries Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 17:31:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2001 00:32:26.0096 (UTC) FILETIME=[6EA1EF00:01C11ED8] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I am looking for mid 80's BMW & Volvo binaries. The BOSCH Motronic part numbers are in the range 0 261 200 000 through 0 261 200 045. If you have any of these binaries, please contact me direct. Thanks in advance. FR Wilk f_wilk@hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 6 21:41:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA02772 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:41:54 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA02767 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:41:47 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsiY6PoHNGOGnGyhYD58LMlfmAXWeSXXRkA=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GB8B93HS; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 00:41:35 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:41:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Message-ID: <20010806.214132.158.0.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,12-14 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:24:10 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= writes: > After looking at the response curve of the canadian unit (FJO inc), > I have found it not to be very suitable. JK, could you elaborate a little more on this? Do you really mean the "curve" itself (it's shape or something else?), *or* the fact that it occupies 1-4V instead of 0-5v? I have teetered on the verge of buying one of the FJO's, and would appreciate any feedback you have. Also, I recall at least one other person on the list who was already using an FJO unit. If I remember, that bloak's feedback was fairly positive. Tnx. Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 7 01:11:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA03713 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:11:38 -0700 Received: from deborah.paradise.net.nz (deborah.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.32]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA03709 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 01:11:31 -0700 Received: from workstation (203-79-102-88.tnt14.paradise.net.nz [203.79.102.88]) by deborah.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 679F71F9EFD for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:11:25 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <001d01c11f18$a67842e0$58664fcb@workstation> From: "Tony Bryant" To: Subject: Injectors in parallel & igntion signal processing Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:12:06 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org 1 - Are there any pitfalls in driving peak & hold injectors in parallel? (with a LM1949) My simulation looks alright, but am I missing anything important 2 - What sort of circuit is recomended for processing of an ignition signal (i.e. from the coil negative). Should I be looking for the HV spike, or try to filter that out to get the base switched 12V? Cheers. Tony. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 7 05:24:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA05031 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:24:10 -0700 Received: from jxmls04.se.mediaone.net (jxmls04.se.mediaone.net [24.129.0.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA05027 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 05:24:03 -0700 Received: from server (pomew-1-65-34-40-53.pompano.net [65.34.40.53]) by jxmls04.se.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f77CMS919712; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001901c11f3c$0e209640$35282241@se.mediaone.net> From: "NickG" To: Cc: References: <200108070800.BAA03618@hektor.valesh.com> Subject: FJO Inc. WBO2 (was Re: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic)) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:25:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I received my WBO2 controller and display last week. So far, I like it. It warms up pretty quick (~15 seconds) and the display readout is faster than a human can keep up with. I'll be playing with its analog output this weekend and do some datalogging with it. Unfortunately, I've never used another wideband oxygen sensor so I don't have a base to compare it to. If anybody has specific questions about it, go ahead and ask. Nick ps. Yes, it does used the infamous NTK/Honda WBO2 sensor. > > After looking at the response curve of the canadian unit (FJO inc), > > I have found it not to be very suitable. > > JK, could you elaborate a little more on this? Do you really mean the > "curve" itself (it's shape or something else?), *or* the fact that it > occupies 1-4V instead of 0-5v? I have teetered on the verge of buying one > of the FJO's, and would appreciate any feedback you have. Also, I recall > at least one other person on the list who was already using an FJO unit. > If I remember, that bloak's feedback was fairly positive. Tnx. > > Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 7 06:17:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA05452 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:17:41 -0700 Received: from smtp1.home.se (smtp1.home.se [195.66.35.200]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA05448 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 06:17:34 -0700 Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.66.67] by smtp1.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:13:27 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:23:20 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010806.214132.158.0.blocklm@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi, The curve is not linear, that is required by autronics autotune feature. It is ok from 10-14AFR, where 10:1AFR=1.46v and 14:1AFR=2.53v. But 15:1AFR=2.63v and 20:1AFR=2.97v. It should be pretty easy to convert the 10-14AFR range to a suitable signal. 10:1 must be 0v and 14:1 must be 0.47v. Then you can run autotune in that range, if you want a leaner mixture you make the change in the open loop table after you have run autotune. But I think that it is pretty simple create a linear voltage signal from the serial ouput, the serial stream used to communicate with a pc is simple text. The display cannot be used together with a laptop because the protocol is different, maybe it is simpler to convert this with a microcontroller. Jörgen Karlsson Gothenburg, Sweden. > JK, could you elaborate a little more on this? Do you really mean the > "curve" itself (it's shape or something else?), *or* the fact that it > occupies 1-4V instead of 0-5v? I have teetered on the verge of buying one > of the FJO's, and would appreciate any feedback you have. Also, I recall > at least one other person on the list who was already using an FJO unit. > If I remember, that bloak's feedback was fairly positive. Tnx. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 7 10:30:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07146 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:30:16 -0700 Received: from femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.36]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07142 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:30:10 -0700 Received: from c157627a ([24.11.247.148]) by femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010807172909.UNIT374.femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c157627a> for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:29:09 -0700 From: "Glenn & Debbie Woodhouse" To: Subject: Re: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:33:33 -0600 Message-ID: <000201c11f67$158ded80$94f70b18@boise1.id.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200108070800.BAA03618@hektor.valesh.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org For those interested in using a WB for forced induction tuning, thus being primarily interested in A/F ranges fron stoich to ~11:1, the NTK and FJO controller boxes' output voltage only ranges about 0.5 volts. I suspect that this is true for the DIY-WB as well, those on the list more familiar with this project please confirm. Because of this it is important that whatever device is reading the controller's output (i.e. DVM, digital display, or datalogger) should have good analog or a/d conversion resolution. In the case of a datalogger, 10 or 12 bit resolution is recommended. Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 21:41:31 -0700 From: Brian L Massey Subject: Re: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 17:24:10 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= writes: > After looking at the response curve of the canadian unit (FJO inc), > I have found it not to be very suitable. JK, could you elaborate a little more on this? Do you really mean the "curve" itself (it's shape or something else?), *or* the fact that it occupies 1-4V instead of 0-5v? I have teetered on the verge of buying one of the FJO's, and would appreciate any feedback you have. Also, I recall at least one other person on the list who was already using an FJO unit. If I remember, that bloak's feedback was fairly positive. Tnx. Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ------------------------------ End of DIY_EFI Digest V5 #689 ***************************** To subscribe to DIY_EFI-Digest, send the command: subscribe diy_efi-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org". A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace "diy_efi-digest" in the command above with "diy_efi". ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 7 11:32:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA07634 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:32:15 -0700 Received: from pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (pioneers1.mts.mb.ca [142.160.2.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07629 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:32:09 -0700 From: Neil.Poersch@mts.mb.ca Received: from smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca (smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca [142.160.162.230]) by pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA09776 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:30:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:31:06 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SMTP_MTS/GW/MTS(Release 5.0.3 |March 21, 2000) at 08/07/2001 01:30:16 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Glenn, Looking at the spec sheet for the analog output of the FJO unit it seems to range from 1.25V to 2.5V for AFR's of 11:1 to stoich. This gives a voltage swing of 1.25V. Where did you get your info from? Neil > For those interested in using a WB for forced induction tuning, thus being primarily interested in A/F ranges fron stoich to ~11:1, the NTK and FJO controller boxes' output voltage only ranges about 0.5 volts. < ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 7 12:56:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA08156 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:56:06 -0700 Received: from smtp1.home.se (smtp1.home.se [195.66.35.200]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA08152 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:56:00 -0700 Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.66.38] by smtp1.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Tue, 07 Aug 2001 21:51:53 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?us-ascii?Q?Jorgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:01:48 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Arghhh, I think that we have to talk to the guys at FJO, the diagram I recived from them suggest that 11:1 is more like 1.8V. They seem to send different information to everyone... You can find the diagram in incomming now, I named it: FJO WBO2 Calibration curve.PDF Jorgen Karlsson Gothenburg, Sweden. > > Glenn, > > Looking at the spec sheet for the analog output of the FJO unit > it seems to > range from 1.25V to 2.5V for AFR's of 11:1 to stoich. This gives a voltage > swing of 1.25V. Where did you get your info from? > > Neil > > > > > > For those interested in using a WB for forced induction tuning, thus being > primarily interested in A/F ranges fron stoich to ~11:1, the NTK and FJO > controller boxes' output voltage only ranges about 0.5 volts. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 7 13:53:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA08647 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:53:12 -0700 Received: from pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (pioneers1.mts.mb.ca [142.160.2.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA08640 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:53:05 -0700 From: Neil.Poersch@mts.mb.ca Received: from smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca (smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca [142.160.162.230]) by pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA21247 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:52:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:53:24 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SMTP_MTS/GW/MTS(Release 5.0.3 |March 21, 2000) at 08/07/2001 03:52:32 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org OK guys. I live in Winnipeg and have asked FJO to set up a WB O2 controller for a working demo this week. I will confirm the analog output range when I see them. BTW I got the output graph from their website manual. Neil Jorgen Karlsson @diy-efi.org on 08/07/2001 03:01:48 PM Please respond to diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sent by: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org To: cc: Subject: RE: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Arghhh, I think that we have to talk to the guys at FJO, the diagram I recived from them suggest that 11:1 is more like 1.8V. They seem to send different information to everyone... You can find the diagram in incomming now, I named it: FJO WBO2 Calibration curve.PDF Jorgen Karlsson Gothenburg, Sweden. > > Glenn, > > Looking at the spec sheet for the analog output of the FJO unit > it seems to > range from 1.25V to 2.5V for AFR's of 11:1 to stoich. This gives a voltage > swing of 1.25V. Where did you get your info from? > > Neil > > > > > > For those interested in using a WB for forced induction tuning, thus being > primarily interested in A/F ranges fron stoich to ~11:1, the NTK and FJO > controller boxes' output voltage only ranges about 0.5 volts. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 8 22:31:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA17131 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:31:39 -0700 Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17127 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:31:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cruzers.com [205.215.232.2] claimed to be blackie.cruzers.com Received: from cruzers.com (robbie-161.cruzers.com [209.165.194.161]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19881 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B722ED4.B2646CD3@cruzers.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 22:33:59 -0800 From: Ludis Langens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Diy_efi Subject: Re: Pocket Programmer Info? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org (This bounced last week while the list was down...) Kristopher Means wrote: > > the 2N4401 is your garden variety NPN switching transistor. They list it as > an NTE123AP, although looking at the specs, I can't see why you can't use > a 2N2222 (NTE123A) (the "P" has a little better settling time). They are in different packages. The 4401 is in the little black plastic cylinders with one flat side. The 2222 historically came in metal cans, though there is now a variant available in plastic. I think it's called the 2N2222P. I don't know if the pinout is the same as the 2N4401 or not. -- Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 9 02:20:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA18015 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 02:20:32 -0700 Received: from mail.yifansoft.com (qmailr@ns1.yifansoft.com [64.61.26.50]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id CAA18011 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 02:20:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host qmailr@ns1.yifansoft.com [64.61.26.50] claimed to be mail.yifansoft.com Received: (qmail 14415 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2001 09:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO therebel) (216.192.182.128) by host6.yifansoft.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2001 09:18:39 -0000 From: "James Ballenger" To: Subject: RE: Injectors in parallel & igntion signal processing Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 05:22:50 -0400 Message-ID: <002001c120b4$dcb64760$4700a8c0@therebel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <001d01c11f18$a67842e0$58664fcb@workstation> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Tony, Just be careful about your amperage draw, you don't want to overload the circuit. Keep in mind that a P&H injector that might normally be 6ohms in parallel with another 6ohm injector will cause a 3ohm circuit and draw twice as much amperage. Though this may seem obvious to most, I have seen this relationship ignored and drivers blown. Otherwise, there shouldn't be any problem. My team has run Saturation and P&H injectors in parallel for many years. James Ballenger -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Tony Bryant Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:12 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Injectors in parallel & igntion signal processing 1 - Are there any pitfalls in driving peak & hold injectors in parallel? (with a LM1949) My simulation looks alright, but am I missing anything important 2 - What sort of circuit is recomended for processing of an ignition signal (i.e. from the coil negative). Should I be looking for the HV spike, or try to filter that out to get the base switched 12V? Cheers. Tony. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 9 06:47:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA18875 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 06:47:43 -0700 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA18871 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 06:47:37 -0700 Received: from mindspring.com (user-2initcm.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.117.150]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17031 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B7293F5.3EE116B9@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 06:45:25 -0700 From: Kristopher Means Organization: Dewey Decimal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Pocket Programmer Info? References: <3B722ED4.B2646CD3@cruzers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Ludis Langens wrote: > They are in different packages. The 4401 is in the little black plastic > cylinders with one flat side. It's called a TO-92 package. > The 2222 historically came in metal cans, While TO-5 packages (metal cans) once were the norm, that is really ancient history. The only devices that you find standard are usually RF amps or other types requiring heat sinks. Today 99.99% of all small bipolar transistors and FETs come in TO-92 unless special ordered. > though there is now a variant available in plastic. I think it's called > the 2N2222P. I don't know if the pinout is the same as the 2N4401 or not. The part number on transistors usually doesn't change with the package. Pick one up and it'll say 2N2222 no matter what. A "P" suffix usually denotes a device with higher power dissipation, which would probably be a TO-5. Also, 90% of these devices have a EBC pin-out, but with only three leads it really doesn't matter that much - you can easily bend them around to the proper holes. And a few seconds with an ohm meter will tell you if you have one of the uncommon ECB devices. The bottom line is if you have to replace the 2N4401 you can use a 2N2222, or for that matter probably a good old 2N3904. The other transistors (PNP, 2N3905, 2N3906) can be replaced with a 2N3906, all of which are readily available anywhere they sell electronic components. -- Kris "There is something to be said about geeks who know they are geeks. People who are self-aware about their place in the world possess, at the least, a sense of humor. Anime fans and computer nerds fall into this category. Goth people and Renaissance festival fanatics do not." http://www.houstonpress.com/issues/2001-08-02/feature.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 9 08:19:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA26644 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:19:14 -0700 Received: from femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.21]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA26640 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:19:06 -0700 Received: from c157627a ([24.11.247.148]) by femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010809151900.KUZA26424.femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c157627a> for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 08:19:00 -0700 From: "Glenn & Debbie Woodhouse" To: Subject: RE: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:23:29 -0600 Message-ID: <000201c120e7$3ec02ac0$94f70b18@boise1.id.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200108080800.BAA12444@hektor.valesh.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I e-mailed FJO with the question a couple of months ago. Below is their response: "I checked the 12-14.7 range and it appears our WBO2 controller has approximately a 0.51 volt span over this range. What sort of resolution were you hoping for? A 0.5 volt span into a 10-bit A/D should yield a resolution of 0.03 AFR if my math is working correctly today. This is what our WBO2 controller uses to convert the analog reading to digital for sending out the RS232 interface. Perhaps this would be an option for your system if it has an unused RS232 serial input? Then you would have the AFR values directly and not need to convert the analog voltages. Hope this helps! Thanks, Fred" So, the 0.5 volts is from 12:1 to stoich, not 11:1 to stoich but a little crude extrapolation would indicate that 11:1 to stoich would be a 0.7 volt range. So as Fred from FJO mentioned, you want 10 or 12 bit a/d conversion, which the FJO controller does for its digital output. I forgot that their controller provides a 10 bit digital output along with the analog output. This is a very nice feature that the NTK controller box does not support. Glenn. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:31:06 -0500 From: Neil.Poersch@mts.mb.ca Subject: Re: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Glenn, Looking at the spec sheet for the analog output of the FJO unit it seems to range from 1.25V to 2.5V for AFR's of 11:1 to stoich. This gives a voltage swing of 1.25V. Where did you get your info from? Neil > For those interested in using a WB for forced induction tuning, thus being primarily interested in A/F ranges from stoich to ~11:1, the NTK and FJO controller boxes' output voltage only ranges about 0.5 volts. < - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:01:48 +0200 From: =?us-ascii?Q?Jorgen_Karlsson?= Subject: RE: Changing output of WB O2 setup (Autronic) Arghhh, I think that we have to talk to the guys at FJO, the diagram I recived from them suggest that 11:1 is more like 1.8V. They seem to send different information to everyone... You can find the diagram in incomming now, I named it: FJO WBO2 Calibration curve.PDF Jorgen Karlsson Gothenburg, Sweden. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 9 15:07:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA28483 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:07:13 -0700 Received: from ns.texan.net (IDENT:root@ns.texan.net [208.244.32.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA28479 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:07:06 -0700 Received: from TSRN01 ([208.248.122.150]) by ns.texan.net (8.11.2/8.11.4) with SMTP id f79KfaP11962 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:41:36 -0500 Message-ID: <005001c12112$eb26c8c0$967af8d0@TEXAN.NET> From: "Brett Downs" To: References: <000201c120e7$3ec02ac0$94f70b18@boise1.id.home.com> Subject: pocket programmer!!! Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 15:36:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org is there anyone out there that wants to sell their pocket programmer?? Brett brettd@broadcast.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 10 03:02:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA30819 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 03:02:51 -0700 Received: from web10001.mail.yahoo.com (web10001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.37]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id DAA30815 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 03:02:40 -0700 Message-ID: <20010810100240.97949.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.205.123.3] by web10001.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:02:40 BST Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:02:40 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dave=20Edge?= Subject: safe distance from coil for ECU To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: <005001c12112$eb26c8c0$967af8d0@TEXAN.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org just installing my ECU provided by www.perfectpower.com, I had it running but am experiencing a touch of interference due to the 6 metre cable runs which I think are a touch on the long side! MY car has the engine in the rear and my thinking was to get the ECU far away from all the noise in the engine bay and mount it in the glovebox for ease of access. As I say the runs of wire are too long, even with shielded twisted pair wires. I want to mount it on the back shelf, unfortunately the other side of the back shelf is where the coil lives, will the EMF affect the ECU, is there a safe distance that should be observed. I can get about 1 foot away without lengthening the wires. Cheers Dave ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 10 05:01:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA31238 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:01:49 -0700 Received: from murphys-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.225]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id FAA31234 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:01:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [212.159.14.225] claimed to be murphys-outbound.services.quay.plus.net Received: (qmail 13102 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2001 12:00:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO leslie) (212.159.21.73) by murphys with SMTP; 10 Aug 2001 12:00:57 -0000 Message-ID: <007501c12001$6926ef60$82169fd4@leslie> From: "Les Newell" To: References: <20010810100240.97949.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: safe distance from coil for ECU Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:08:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org If the back shelf is steel then it will form a screen to protect the ECU. Even if it isn't it should not be a problem. Les > just installing my ECU provided by > www.perfectpower.com, I had it running but am > experiencing a touch of interference due to the 6 > metre cable runs which I think are a touch on the long > side! > > MY car has the engine in the rear and my thinking was > to get the ECU far away from all the noise in the > engine bay and mount it in the glovebox for ease of > access. As I say the runs of wire are too long, even > with shielded twisted pair wires. > > I want to mount it on the back shelf, unfortunately > the other side of the back shelf is where the coil > lives, will the EMF affect the ECU, is there a safe > distance that should be observed. I can get about 1 > foot away without lengthening the wires. > > Cheers > Dave > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 10 05:41:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA31429 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:41:36 -0700 Received: from web10008.mail.yahoo.com (web10008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.44]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id FAA31425 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:41:31 -0700 Message-ID: <20010810124130.40202.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.205.123.3] by web10008.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:41:30 BST Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:41:30 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dave=20Edge?= Subject: Re: safe distance from coil for ECU To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: <007501c12001$6926ef60$82169fd4@leslie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Cheers Les, I feel happier now. The shelf is steel so no worries! Dave --- Les Newell wrote: > If the back shelf is steel then it will form a > screen to protect the ECU. > Even if it isn't it should not be a problem. > > I want to mount it on the back shelf, > unfortunately > > the other side of the back shelf is where the coil > > lives, will the EMF affect the ECU, is there a > safe > > distance that should be observed. I can get about > 1 > > foot away without lengthening the wires. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 10 08:45:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA32196 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:45:24 -0700 Received: from lodur.srl.caltech.edu (lodur.srl.caltech.edu [131.215.120.1]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA32192 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:45:19 -0700 Received: from aegir.srl.caltech.edu (aegir.srl.caltech.edu [131.215.120.149]) by lodur.srl.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13697 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thrym.srl.caltech.edu (thrym.srl.caltech.edu [131.215.120.181]) by aegir.srl.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06420 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200108101545.IAA06420@aegir.srl.caltech.edu> To: DIY_EFI@lists.diy-efi.org Subject: Chrysler EFI? Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 08:45:18 -0700 From: Peter Mao Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi there, I hope this is not way off topic for this list. I have a Chrysler LA 318 (1978) on which I'd like to install EFI, preferably a multipoint system. Does anyone here know about the compatibility of the later model (ie Magnum 5.2, 5.7) intakes with the LA 318? (ie will a MPFI intake from a late model truck bolt up to my 318?) Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 10 09:29:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA32401 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:29:59 -0700 Received: from bigboy.olemac.net ([206.107.29.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32397 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:29:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [206.107.29.5] claimed to be bigboy.olemac.net Received: from pavilion (MAX1-1-5.OleMac.NET [206.107.29.83]) by bigboy.olemac.net (Switch-2.0.0/Switch-2.0.0) with SMTP id f7AGTUX29320 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:29:40 -0500 Message-ID: <00bc01c121b9$9c98a3c0$411d6bce@pavilion> From: "J. Creech" To: References: <200108101545.IAA06420@aegir.srl.caltech.edu> Subject: Re: Chrysler EFI? Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:29:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Hi there, > > I hope this is not way off topic for this list. I have a Chrysler LA > 318 (1978) on which I'd like to install EFI, preferably a multipoint > system. Does anyone here know about the compatibility of the later model > (ie Magnum 5.2, 5.7) intakes with the LA 318? (ie will a MPFI intake > from a late model truck bolt up to my 318?) > > Peter Sorry, no it won't bolt up. The 5.2 and 5.9 Magnums use a different angle to the intake bolts, similar to the Ford 302. Also, I think the pattern and port location differs slightly. You would have to get a couple of Magnum heads, then you'd run into other problems. The LA engines oil through the head, into the rocker rail pedestal. Magnums oil like Chevy engines, through the pushrod. There is a fix for this, though. Use AMC lifters for the 390, as they oil through the pushrod, and are the same diameter, and custom pushrods ( if I remember correctly, the cup is different, or you'd be able to use the Magnum pushrods). Scott Creech ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 10 17:07:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA02273 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:07:47 -0700 Received: from mail.mpks.net (mpks.net [208.149.60.10]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02269 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:07:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mpks.net [208.149.60.10] claimed to be mail.mpks.net Received: from gerald [208.149.61.36] by mail.mpks.net (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7601A0B0204; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:08:00 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c12202$45c37180$243d95d0@gerald> From: "Gerald Pelnar" To: References: <200108101545.IAA06420@aegir.srl.caltech.edu> Subject: Re: Chrysler EFI? Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:51:28 -0600 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org If your happy with the performance of your 318, the pre-Magnum (88 - 91) 5.2L TBI intake will fit. The 5.7L ports are larger and won't match your heads. I did noticed these later intakes don't have one of the mounting bosses for the older A/C compressor. I think TBI is preferable to a carb if you don't want to do the magnum head conversion. Gerald Pelnar McPherson, KS wd0fyf@mpks.net http://www.mpks.net/homepage/wd0fyf/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Mao > I hope this is not way off topic for this list. I have a Chrysler LA > 318 (1978) on which I'd like to install EFI, preferably a multipoint > system. Does anyone here know about the compatibility of the later model > (ie Magnum 5.2, 5.7) intakes with the LA 318? (ie will a MPFI intake > from a late model truck bolt up to my 318?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 10 20:13:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA03190 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:13:06 -0700 Received: from cgpro.iccx.net (webmail.iccx.net [166.93.205.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA03184 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 20:12:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host webmail.iccx.net [166.93.205.11] claimed to be cgpro.iccx.net Received: from [206.168.145.109] (HELO [206.168.145.109]) by cgpro.iccx.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 74218636 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:12:29 -0600 X-Sender: bearbvd@mail.cmn.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:03:54 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: bearbvd@cmn.net (Greg Hermann) Subject: Re: Chrysler EFI? Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org If you are going to bother with a head conversion, try to find some W-2's (or the equivalent) rather than bothering with Magnums. Greg At 6:51 PM 8/10/01, Gerald Pelnar wrote: >If your happy with the performance of your 318, the pre-Magnum (88 - 91) >5.2L TBI intake will fit. The 5.7L ports are larger and won't match your >heads. I did noticed these later intakes don't have one of the mounting >bosses for the older A/C compressor. I think TBI is preferable to a carb if >you don't want to do the magnum head conversion. > >Gerald Pelnar >McPherson, KS >wd0fyf@mpks.net >http://www.mpks.net/homepage/wd0fyf/ > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Peter Mao > >> I hope this is not way off topic for this list. I have a Chrysler LA >> 318 (1978) on which I'd like to install EFI, preferably a multipoint >> system. Does anyone here know about the compatibility of the later model >> (ie Magnum 5.2, 5.7) intakes with the LA 318? (ie will a MPFI intake >> from a late model truck bolt up to my 318?) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 10 23:42:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA04014 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:42:52 -0700 Received: from mm02snlnto.sandia.gov (mm02snlnto.sandia.gov [132.175.109.21]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA04010 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:42:38 -0700 Received: from 132.175.109.1 by mm02snlnto.sandia.gov with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:39:02 -0600 X-Server-Uuid: 95b8ca9b-fe4b-44f7-8977-a6cb2d3025ff Received: from ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov (es01snlnt.sandia.gov [134.253.130.4]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7B6gVk07945 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:42:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:42:29 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Diehl, Jeffrey" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:42:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Filter-Version: 1.3 (sass165) X-WSS-ID: 176A0C8C722253-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi all. I'm still learning, so be gentle... I've got an '87 MR-2 and I'm trying to figure out how it effects timing advancement. It has 2 wheels in the distributor, one with 4 teeth, the other with 1. The single-toothed wheel is probably used to run the tach and is slightly offset from the cooresponding tooth on the 4-tooth wheel. Now the teeth on the 4-tooth wheel pass by what looks like a magnetic pickup and I presume that this gives the ECM the baseline timing. However, it also passes by what looks like a small magnet which is attached to the pickup. There are no vacuum lines, so it is not doing vacuum advance. The only moving part is the shaft on which the two wheels move. So, my question is: How does this mechanism manage to advance the spark? Thanx for any input. Mike Diehl. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 10 23:44:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA04026 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:44:07 -0700 Received: from lodur.srl.caltech.edu (lodur.srl.caltech.edu [131.215.120.1]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA04022 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:44:02 -0700 Received: from aegir.srl.caltech.edu (aegir.srl.caltech.edu [131.215.120.149]) by lodur.srl.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21211 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aegir.srl.caltech.edu (aegir.srl.caltech.edu [131.215.120.149]) by aegir.srl.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10143 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200108110643.XAA10143@aegir.srl.caltech.edu> To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Chrysler EFI? In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:51:28 -0600. <003501c12202$45c37180$243d95d0@gerald> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:43:59 -0700 From: Peter Mao Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I don't think I'll be swapping heads on this car, so I'll have to look into TBI. Any thoughts on stock Mopar vs Holly Projection? Thanks for all your input. I'll have to wait until next week to see what you all have to say -- I'm heading up to Bonneville tomorrow for Speed Week! Peter >If your happy with the performance of your 318, the pre-Magnum (88 - 91) >5.2L TBI intake will fit. The 5.7L ports are larger and won't match your >heads. I did noticed these later intakes don't have one of the mounting >bosses for the older A/C compressor. I think TBI is preferable to a carb if >you don't want to do the magnum head conversion. > >Gerald Pelnar >McPherson, KS >wd0fyf@mpks.net >http://www.mpks.net/homepage/wd0fyf/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 02:46:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA05089 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:46:20 -0700 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.71]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA05085 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:46:14 -0700 Received: from ppp-1-252.5800-6.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.153.252] helo=e8y0t6) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 15VVLN-000LuZ-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:46:10 +0100 Message-ID: <005d01c1224a$5d3a2320$fc99403e@e8y0t6> From: "Les Newell" To: References: Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:45:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi Mike, The ECU generates the advance/retard. The wheel with four teeth is to tell the ECU when a piston is at TDC and the wheel with one tooth is to tell the ECU when piston 1 is at TDC. From this information the ECU always knows the crank position. There is probably a vacuum sensor attached to the manifold somewhere. From this information and possibly data from other sensors the ECU can work out the optimum timing. Les > Hi all. > > I'm still learning, so be gentle... > > I've got an '87 MR-2 and I'm trying to figure out how it effects timing > advancement. It has 2 wheels in the distributor, one with 4 teeth, the > other with 1. The single-toothed wheel is probably used to run the tach and > is slightly offset from the cooresponding tooth on the 4-tooth wheel. > > Now the teeth on the 4-tooth wheel pass by what looks like a magnetic pickup > and I presume that this gives the ECM the baseline timing. However, it also > passes by what looks like a small magnet which is attached to the pickup. > > There are no vacuum lines, so it is not doing vacuum advance. The only > moving part is the shaft on which the two wheels move. > > So, my question is: How does this mechanism manage to advance the spark? > > Thanx for any input. > Mike Diehl. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 05:22:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA05561 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 05:22:01 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA05557 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 05:21:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA00157 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:35:52 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B752418.E5E7F2AA@techedge.com.au> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:24:56 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: HD6303 Manual? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm trying to find a Hitachi 6303 user's manual. Anyone got a PDF? Alternatively, if it's a clone of a Motorola chip, which? TIA, Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 06:17:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA05857 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 06:17:06 -0700 Received: from fepC.post.tele.dk (fepC.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.147]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA05849 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 06:16:56 -0700 Received: from morten ([62.242.121.114]) by fepC.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.21 201-229-121-121-20010307) with SMTP id <20010811131649.CFL3936.fepC.post.tele.dk@morten> for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:16:49 +0200 Message-ID: <004501c12268$4e0702b0$0c6420ac@morten> From: "Morten T Nielsen" To: Subject: What now? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:19:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hektor.valesh.com id GAA05850 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi I'm almost finished reading "Understanding automotive electronics" and "Automotive electrics and electronics", which books would be the next thing for me as I gain knowledge for some day be able to alter the data on an eprom? (Does that make any sence to you?) Well, I can get a hold of almost any book from the state library so anything goes. Understanding Automotive Electronics has really shed some light on the whole thing...but I'm sure there are a lot of things involved in reprogramming a chip - just need to understand (Read) what! Thanks! Morten T Nielsen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 07:14:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA06209 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 07:14:54 -0700 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id HAA06205 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 07:14:48 -0700 Received: from c512466-a.frndl1.wa.home.com (HELO C512466-A) (65.12.149.73) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2001 14:14:47 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Watson E. Watson" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: HD6303 Manual? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 07:15:03 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3B752418.E5E7F2AA@techedge.com.au> In-Reply-To: <3B752418.E5E7F2AA@techedge.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01081107150300.04485@C512466-A> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I found the HD6303.pdf at the following ftp site. http://oh3tr.ele.tut.fi/~ftp/modifications/keyradio/kc450ht/archived/HD6303.pdf Warren On Saturday 11 August 2001 05:24 am, you wrote: > I'm trying to find a Hitachi 6303 user's manual. Anyone got a PDF? > Alternatively, if it's a clone of a Motorola chip, which? > > TIA, Peter. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 09:01:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA06960 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:01:51 -0700 Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (mta3.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.141]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA06956 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:01:45 -0700 Received: from pacbell.net ([216.101.184.142]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GHW0033NV5CXZ@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:01:01 -0700 From: Xin Subject: newbie interested in the wb-egor To: "diy_efi@diy-efi.org" Message-id: <3B7556BD.1B428B33@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi Everyone, I am new on the list. Just spent the last three days going through the archive. I have to say that you guys on this list have done some amazingly impressive things. One project is of particular interest of my is the wb-egor effort. From what I can gather in the archive, the effort of producing some PCB boards is still ongoing. If that's true, I'd like to get on the group buy list. If that's not the case, could someone enlighten me? thanks, Xin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 09:36:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA07139 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:36:46 -0700 Received: from dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA07135 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:36:39 -0700 Received: (qmail 22610 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 2001 16:36:38 -0000 Received: from dnvrdslgw13poold34.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO jessqrp) (63.228.83.34) by dnvrpop5.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 2001 16:36:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:13:18 -0600 Message-ID: <006c01c12280$88a111a0$0200a8c0@qwest.net> From: "Jess Gypin" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org References: <3B7556BD.1B428B33@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: newbie interested in the wb-egor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I am new and have the same question. I am on a qwest to find a cheaper wideband O2 meter to tune a turbo Miata with. Obviously the stock narrow band is useless and I don't have full time access to a dyno and wideband. I do have software that allows me to datalog the replacment fully programmable ECU, and with wideband reading/logging capability, it would be very easy to "dyno tune" my car on the street. If there is an effort to produce a PC board, count me in. I have layed out boards and have some electronics/engineering background. Jess ----- Original Message ----- From: "Xin" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: newbie interested in the wb-egor > Hi Everyone, I am new on the list. Just spent the last three days going > > through the archive. I have to say that you guys on this list have done > > some amazingly impressive things. > > One project is of particular interest of my is the wb-egor effort. From > > what I can gather in the archive, the effort of producing some PCB > boards is still ongoing. If that's true, I'd like to get on the group > buy > list. If that's not the case, could someone enlighten me? > > thanks, > > Xin > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 10:53:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA07601 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:53:51 -0700 Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07596 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:53:45 -0700 Received: from sacnt01pdc01 (sdn-ar-002carcorP329.dialsprint.net [168.191.207.107]) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29679 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:53:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "lance" To: Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:54:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <005d01c1224a$5d3a2320$fc99403e@e8y0t6> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The 4AG engines use a trap door MAF and throttle position sensor for spark timing. The distributor generates Ne and Ge signals. You are correct the advance is entirely under the ECU's control, and there is no crank position sensor per se. Interestingly, the throttle position sensor can be completely nonfunctional and the engine still runs without any SOTP notification or MIL indicating that something is wrong. If you forget to reconnect it, the connector will get chewed up by the left drive axle. Ask me how I know. Lance -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Les Newell Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 02:46 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 Hi Mike, The ECU generates the advance/retard. The wheel with four teeth is to tell the ECU when a piston is at TDC and the wheel with one tooth is to tell the ECU when piston 1 is at TDC. From this information the ECU always knows the crank position. There is probably a vacuum sensor attached to the manifold somewhere. From this information and possibly data from other sensors the ECU can work out the optimum timing. Les > Hi all. > > I'm still learning, so be gentle... > > I've got an '87 MR-2 and I'm trying to figure out how it effects timing > advancement. It has 2 wheels in the distributor, one with 4 teeth, the > other with 1. The single-toothed wheel is probably used to run the tach and > is slightly offset from the cooresponding tooth on the 4-tooth wheel. > > Now the teeth on the 4-tooth wheel pass by what looks like a magnetic pickup > and I presume that this gives the ECM the baseline timing. However, it also > passes by what looks like a small magnet which is attached to the pickup. > > There are no vacuum lines, so it is not doing vacuum advance. The only > moving part is the shaft on which the two wheels move. > > So, my question is: How does this mechanism manage to advance the spark? > > Thanx for any input. > Mike Diehl. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 11:45:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA07850 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:45:03 -0700 Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07841 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:44:56 -0700 Received: (qmail 64034 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2001 18:44:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jawbreaker) ([66.92.166.175]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Aug 2001 18:44:55 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010811144636.010beb14@mail.speakeasy.org> X-Sender: synchris@mail.speakeasy.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:46:40 -0400 To: From: Chris Conlon Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 12:42 AM 8/11/01 -0600, Diehl, Jeffrey wrote: >other with 1. The single-toothed wheel is probably used to run the tach and >is slightly offset from the cooresponding tooth on the 4-tooth wheel. The tach should be run via a signal from the igniter. On an '87 it probably just takes a signal from the low voltage side of the coil. >There are no vacuum lines, so it is not doing vacuum advance. The only >moving part is the shaft on which the two wheels move. > >So, my question is: How does this mechanism manage to advance the spark? That ECU uses an AFM. It doesn't measure MAP directly, but can figure out load, based on RPM and the AFM signal. It then uses the load value to adjust the spark timing. The ECU controls all aspects of spark timing... except dwell, which is probably controlled by the igniter. Actually that ECU is old enough that the Ne signal from the dizzy (the one with more teeth) may go to the igniter, which then feeds a copy of the signal to the ECU. (Operation is pretty similar to the other setup, though, from the ECU's point of view.) Just a quirk to watch out for when you're tracing down wires. Chris C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 14:17:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA08763 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:17:11 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA08759 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:17:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA00161 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 07:31:05 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B75A188.498F0E8F@techedge.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 07:20:08 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: HD6303 Manual? References: <3B752418.E5E7F2AA@techedge.com.au> <01081107150300.04485@C512466-A> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks Warren ... "Watson E. Watson" wrote: > > I found the HD6303.pdf at the following ftp site. > http://oh3tr.ele.tut.fi/~ftp/modifications/keyradio/kc450ht/archived/HD6303.pdf This PDF document contains roughly scanned, but quite readable, pages from Hitachi (a) manual(s) and covers the: Page 1-33 HD6303R, HD63A03R, HD63B03R Page 34-69 HD6303X, HD63A03X, HD63B03X Page 70-111 HD6303Y, HD63A03Y, HD63B03Y But it doesn't have the pinouts for the 52 pin QFP (13 x 4) part HD63B03R1CP, so if anyone has this too. Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 18:54:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA09695 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:54:31 -0700 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA09691 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:54:25 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0334.cvx26-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.223.79]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24457 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:54:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: What now? Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:54:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <004501c12268$4e0702b0$0c6420ac@morten> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org http://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/tech2/promintro.shtml http://www.thirdgen.org/cgi-bin/messgboard/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&fo rum=DIY+PROM&number=10&DaysPrune=20&LastLogin= BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Morten T Nielsen Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 6:20 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: What now? Hi I'm almost finished reading "Understanding automotive electronics" and "Automotive electrics and electronics", which books would be the next thing for me as I gain knowledge for some day be able to alter the data on an eprom? (Does that make any sence to you?) Well, I can get a hold of almost any book from the state library so anything goes. Understanding Automotive Electronics has really shed some light on the whole thing...but I'm sure there are a lot of things involved in reprogramming a chip - just need to understand (Read) what! Thanks! Morten T Nielsen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 19:07:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA09778 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:07:28 -0700 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA09772 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:07:21 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (user-2ivelqj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.87.83]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26993 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B75E53B.E396E8E5@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:08:59 -0400 From: Joseph Obernberger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org "Diehl, Jeffrey" wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm still learning, so be gentle... > > I've got an '87 MR-2 and I'm trying to figure out how it effects timing > advancement. It has 2 wheels in the distributor, one with 4 teeth, the > other with 1. The single-toothed wheel is probably used to run the tach and > is slightly offset from the cooresponding tooth on the 4-tooth wheel. > > Now the teeth on the 4-tooth wheel pass by what looks like a magnetic pickup > and I presume that this gives the ECM the baseline timing. However, it also > passes by what looks like a small magnet which is attached to the pickup. > > There are no vacuum lines, so it is not doing vacuum advance. The only > moving part is the shaft on which the two wheels move. > > So, my question is: How does this mechanism manage to advance the spark? > > Thanx for any input. > Mike Diehl. > Not sure if your question has already been answered - but...The ECU controls when the coil fires, and the ECU 'knows' the posistion of the engine. So as far as how it physically adjusts the timing: The distributor is spinning around, and the ECU knows where it is and how fast it's spinning...as the rotor approaches the contact point (say spark plug wire 1), the ECU can fire the spark sooner or later as the rotor wipes past that metal contact for wire 1. Pretty sure that is how it works anyway! joeo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 22:42:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA10503 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:42:40 -0700 Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA10499 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:42:34 -0700 From: ChiefZ28@cs.com Received: from ChiefZ28@cs.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id o.12a.29e2ad8 (3313) for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12a.29e2ad8.28a77140@cs.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:42:24 EDT Subject: Re: What now? To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 103 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org you may just want to get on the DIY Promm burning board on Thirdgen.org and start reading all post old & new post you can learn a lot from other peoples problems,questions,&results just a suggestion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 23:42:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA10794 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:42:41 -0700 Received: from mm01snlnto.sandia.gov (mm01snlnto.sandia.gov [132.175.109.20]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA10790 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:42:33 -0700 Received: from 132.175.109.1 by mm01snlnto.sandia.gov with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:39:35 -0600 X-Server-Uuid: 95b8ca9b-fe4b-44f7-8977-a6cb2d3025ff Received: from ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov (es01snlnt.sandia.gov [134.253.130.4]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7C6gVs21814; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:42:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:42:29 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Diehl, Jeffrey" To: "'Les Newell '" , "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org '" Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:42:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Filter-Version: 1.3 (sass165) X-WSS-ID: 1768FB2D1704500-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Here's a puzzle, then. I believe that the 4-tooth wheel indecates when a piston is at TDC, and the 1-tooth wheel indicates when #1 is at TDC, but, why are these wheels slightly offset from each other? Only by a few degrees, but they do not line up. Any ideas? Thanx, Mike Diehl. -----Original Message----- From: Les Newell To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sent: 8/11/2001 3:45 AM Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 Hi Mike, The ECU generates the advance/retard. The wheel with four teeth is to tell the ECU when a piston is at TDC and the wheel with one tooth is to tell the ECU when piston 1 is at TDC. From this information the ECU always knows the crank position. There is probably a vacuum sensor attached to the manifold somewhere. From this information and possibly data from other sensors the ECU can work out the optimum timing. Les > Hi all. > > I'm still learning, so be gentle... > > I've got an '87 MR-2 and I'm trying to figure out how it effects timing > advancement. It has 2 wheels in the distributor, one with 4 teeth, the > other with 1. The single-toothed wheel is probably used to run the tach and > is slightly offset from the cooresponding tooth on the 4-tooth wheel. > > Now the teeth on the 4-tooth wheel pass by what looks like a magnetic pickup > and I presume that this gives the ECM the baseline timing. However, it also > passes by what looks like a small magnet which is attached to the pickup. > > There are no vacuum lines, so it is not doing vacuum advance. The only > moving part is the shaft on which the two wheels move. > > So, my question is: How does this mechanism manage to advance the spark? > > Thanx for any input. > Mike Diehl. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 23:46:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA10843 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:46:56 -0700 Received: from mm01snlnto.sandia.gov (mm01snlnto.sandia.gov [132.175.109.20]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA10837 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:46:45 -0700 Received: from 132.175.109.1 by mm01snlnto.sandia.gov with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:43:47 -0600 X-Server-Uuid: 95b8ca9b-fe4b-44f7-8977-a6cb2d3025ff Received: from ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov (es01snlnt.sandia.gov [134.253.130.4]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7C6khs21877; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:46:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:46:41 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Diehl, Jeffrey" To: "'lance '" , "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org '" Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:46:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Filter-Version: 1.3 (sass165) X-WSS-ID: 1768FA291704587-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm about to show my ignorance, but ignorance is only temporary... What are you refering to when you refer to the Ne and Ge signals? I'm assuming you meant Stop notification below...? But what is a MIL indication? Sorry to hear about your TPS connector... Thanx for your input, Mike Diehl. -----Original Message----- From: lance To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sent: 8/11/2001 11:54 AM Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 The 4AG engines use a trap door MAF and throttle position sensor for spark timing. The distributor generates Ne and Ge signals. You are correct the advance is entirely under the ECU's control, and there is no crank position sensor per se. Interestingly, the throttle position sensor can be completely nonfunctional and the engine still runs without any SOTP notification or MIL indicating that something is wrong. If you forget to reconnect it, the connector will get chewed up by the left drive axle. Ask me how I know. Lance -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Les Newell Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 02:46 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 Hi Mike, The ECU generates the advance/retard. The wheel with four teeth is to tell the ECU when a piston is at TDC and the wheel with one tooth is to tell the ECU when piston 1 is at TDC. From this information the ECU always knows the crank position. There is probably a vacuum sensor attached to the manifold somewhere. From this information and possibly data from other sensors the ECU can work out the optimum timing. Les > Hi all. > > I'm still learning, so be gentle... > > I've got an '87 MR-2 and I'm trying to figure out how it effects timing > advancement. It has 2 wheels in the distributor, one with 4 teeth, the > other with 1. The single-toothed wheel is probably used to run the tach and > is slightly offset from the cooresponding tooth on the 4-tooth wheel. > > Now the teeth on the 4-tooth wheel pass by what looks like a magnetic pickup > and I presume that this gives the ECM the baseline timing. However, it also > passes by what looks like a small magnet which is attached to the pickup. > > There are no vacuum lines, so it is not doing vacuum advance. The only > moving part is the shaft on which the two wheels move. > > So, my question is: How does this mechanism manage to advance the spark? > > Thanx for any input. > Mike Diehl. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 11 23:56:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA10965 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:56:11 -0700 Received: from mm02snlnto.sandia.gov (mm02snlnto.sandia.gov [132.175.109.21]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id XAA10961 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:56:04 -0700 Received: from 132.175.109.1 by mm02snlnto.sandia.gov with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:52:31 -0600 X-Server-Uuid: 95b8ca9b-fe4b-44f7-8977-a6cb2d3025ff Received: from es08snlnt.sandia.gov (es08snlnt.sandia.gov [134.253.130.11]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7C6u2s22085; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by es08snlnt.sandia.gov with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:56:01 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Diehl, Jeffrey" To: "'Joseph Obernberger '" , "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org '" Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:56:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Filter-Version: 1.3 (sass165) X-WSS-ID: 1768F825768219-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I think you've communicated the main problem for me. I need to understand how the ECU "knows" the engine position. If the ECU were a digital computer, I could imagine a fast clock and a counter which was latched at the passing of each tooth in the 4-tooth wheel. This count could be used to calculate RPM and the clock could be used to trigger the firing of the next injector/sparkplug. But the ECU in the MR-2 doesn't seem to be that sophistcated. Looks to be a completely analog system! I guess this same algorithm could be done in analog... Is that how it works? Thanx, Mike Diehl. -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Obernberger To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sent: 8/11/2001 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 "Diehl, Jeffrey" wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm still learning, so be gentle... > > I've got an '87 MR-2 and I'm trying to figure out how it effects timing > advancement. It has 2 wheels in the distributor, one with 4 teeth, the > other with 1. The single-toothed wheel is probably used to run the tach and > is slightly offset from the cooresponding tooth on the 4-tooth wheel. > > Now the teeth on the 4-tooth wheel pass by what looks like a magnetic pickup > and I presume that this gives the ECM the baseline timing. However, it also > passes by what looks like a small magnet which is attached to the pickup. > > There are no vacuum lines, so it is not doing vacuum advance. The only > moving part is the shaft on which the two wheels move. > > So, my question is: How does this mechanism manage to advance the spark? > > Thanx for any input. > Mike Diehl. > Not sure if your question has already been answered - but...The ECU controls when the coil fires, and the ECU 'knows' the posistion of the engine. So as far as how it physically adjusts the timing: The distributor is spinning around, and the ECU knows where it is and how fast it's spinning...as the rotor approaches the contact point (say spark plug wire 1), the ECU can fire the spark sooner or later as the rotor wipes past that metal contact for wire 1. Pretty sure that is how it works anyway! joeo ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 12 00:16:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA11232 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:16:04 -0700 Received: from mm02snlnto.sandia.gov (mm02snlnto.sandia.gov [132.175.109.21]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id AAA11228 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:15:57 -0700 Received: from 132.175.109.1 by mm02snlnto.sandia.gov with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:12:24 -0600 X-Server-Uuid: 95b8ca9b-fe4b-44f7-8977-a6cb2d3025ff Received: from ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov (es01snlnt.sandia.gov [134.253.130.4]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7C7Fts22525 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by ES01SNLNT.sandia.gov with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:15:53 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Diehl, Jeffrey" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org '" Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:15:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Filter-Version: 1.3 (sass165) X-WSS-ID: 1768F3D2768631-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org For all fo you who have replied and tried to help me, Thank you. I'm not trying to be difficult, but I have to really understand how this system works. My dad and I are considering an engine modification which will necessitate converting to a distributor-less ignition, or at least fooling the ECU into thinking it has a distributor.... We're thinking that as the tooth approaches the magnet, it induces a current which gets larger as the tooth approaches and smaller as it passes, forming (perhapse) a sin wave pattern. Now, if the ECU fires a spark plug when this current exceeds a fixed voltage, we could advance/retard the ignition timing by adding a bias voltage into this equation. The fact that the pickup only has two wires coming out of it implies that all of this math is being done inside the ECU and not by biasing the pickup itself, right? These details are important to us when we try to build a circuit which emulates this behaviour. Any insight you may have would be most welcome. Thanx, Mike Diehl. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Conlon To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sent: 8/11/2001 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 At 12:42 AM 8/11/01 -0600, Diehl, Jeffrey wrote: >other with 1. The single-toothed wheel is probably used to run the tach and >is slightly offset from the cooresponding tooth on the 4-tooth wheel. The tach should be run via a signal from the igniter. On an '87 it probably just takes a signal from the low voltage side of the coil. >There are no vacuum lines, so it is not doing vacuum advance. The only >moving part is the shaft on which the two wheels move. > >So, my question is: How does this mechanism manage to advance the spark? That ECU uses an AFM. It doesn't measure MAP directly, but can figure out load, based on RPM and the AFM signal. It then uses the load value to adjust the spark timing. The ECU controls all aspects of spark timing... except dwell, which is probably controlled by the igniter. Actually that ECU is old enough that the Ne signal from the dizzy (the one with more teeth) may go to the igniter, which then feeds a copy of the signal to the ECU. (Operation is pretty similar to the other setup, though, from the ECU's point of view.) Just a quirk to watch out for when you're tracing down wires. Chris C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 12 00:57:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA11466 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:57:36 -0700 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA11462 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:57:29 -0700 Received: from richm ([62.255.5.254]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010812075726.YPUQ29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@richm> for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:57:26 +0100 From: "Rich M" To: Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 08:46:30 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Mike, I've got a 4A-GE training manual at work (I think) which describes this sort of stuff, I'll try and find it and scan relevant pages if it helps. Cheers Rich ps. if you don't hear, e-mail me to remind me! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Diehl, Jeffrey > Sent: 12 August 2001 08:16 > To: 'diy_efi@diy-efi.org ' > Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 > > > For all fo you who have replied and tried to help me, Thank you. I'm not > trying to be difficult, but I have to really understand how this system > works. > > My dad and I are considering an engine modification which will necessitate > converting to a distributor-less ignition, or at least fooling > the ECU into > thinking it has a distributor.... > > We're thinking that as the tooth approaches the magnet, it > induces a current > which gets larger as the tooth approaches and smaller as it > passes, forming > (perhapse) a sin wave pattern. > > Now, if the ECU fires a spark plug when this current exceeds a fixed > voltage, we could advance/retard the ignition timing by adding a bias > voltage into this equation. The fact that the pickup only has two wires > coming out of it implies that all of this math is being done > inside the ECU > and not by biasing the pickup itself, right? These details are > important to > us when we try to build a circuit which emulates this behaviour. > > Any insight you may have would be most welcome. > > Thanx, > Mike Diehl. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Conlon > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Sent: 8/11/2001 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 > > At 12:42 AM 8/11/01 -0600, Diehl, Jeffrey wrote: > > >other with 1. The single-toothed wheel is probably used to run the > tach and > >is slightly offset from the cooresponding tooth on the 4-tooth wheel. > > The tach should be run via a signal from the igniter. On an '87 it > probably just takes a signal from the low voltage side of the coil. > > >There are no vacuum lines, so it is not doing vacuum advance. The only > >moving part is the shaft on which the two wheels move. > > > >So, my question is: How does this mechanism manage to advance the > spark? > > That ECU uses an AFM. It doesn't measure MAP directly, but can figure > out load, based on RPM and the AFM signal. It then uses the load value > to adjust the spark timing. The ECU controls all aspects of spark > timing... except dwell, which is probably controlled by the igniter. > > Actually that ECU is old enough that the Ne signal from the dizzy > (the one with more teeth) may go to the igniter, which then feeds a > copy of the signal to the ECU. (Operation is pretty similar to the > other setup, though, from the ECU's point of view.) Just a quirk to > watch out for when you're tracing down wires. > > Chris C. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without > the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 12 01:13:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA11686 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:13:35 -0700 Received: from mail5.speakeasy.net (mail5.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.205]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA11682 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:13:29 -0700 Received: (qmail 36032 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2001 08:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jawbreaker) ([66.92.166.175]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Aug 2001 08:13:28 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010812041442.010c4788@mail.speakeasy.org> X-Sender: synchris@mail.speakeasy.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 04:14:43 -0400 To: From: Chris Conlon Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 01:15 AM 8/12/01 -0600, Diehl, Jeffrey wrote: >We're thinking that as the tooth approaches the magnet, it induces a current >which gets larger as the tooth approaches and smaller as it passes, forming >(perhapse) a sin wave pattern. The reluctor is a very basic and common sort of device. There's lots of information on it and circuits for it, even in the archives. Go to: http:///www.national.com/design and search for the LM1815 for a quick start. There was also a Motorola part... the MC3334 perhaps, that accepted reluctor signals. Faking a reluctor signal is not hard. A pulse wave of the proper width, fed into a properly chosen transformer, is all you need. >Now, if the ECU fires a spark plug when this current exceeds a fixed >voltage, we could advance/retard the ignition timing by adding a bias >voltage into this equation. The fact that the pickup only has two wires Don't go there. The ECU is looking for a zero crossing, since that's the only signal event that occurs at a precise point with respect to the bump passing the reluctor. Also the pulse is so short at higher rpms that, even if it did work this way, you'd only get a few microseconds of adjustability. Not nearly enough. If you want to know *for sure* the relationship to TDC you pretty much have to crank the engine over carefully by hand with the dizzy half apart, and see what crosses where, when. Most likely you'll find that the NE pulses are X degrees before TDC, and the G pulse is some degrees before one of the NE pulses. This lets the ECU start counting when it sees the NE pulse, then delay for some calculated time, then fire that cylinder. I'd be *very* surprised if the 87NA ECU is full analog. Have you opened it up? The later ECUs apparently use some kind of 8051 derivative, and I bet yours does too. Really I think the first place to start is with circuits that deal with reluctor signals. I think that understanding how they are typically used will clear up what the ECU is doing, and how. Try searching the major semiconductor makers for relevant parts. MSD even makes a box (can't find the p/n) that takes reluctor signals and outputs Hall-effect style pulses, which may be helpful when it comes time to actually fake out the ECU. Chris C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 12 01:32:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA11934 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:32:11 -0700 Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA11930 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:32:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77] claimed to be pimout1-int.prodigy.net Received: from ieee.org (ip-20-160-166.phoenix-t.navipath.net [64.20.160.166]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7C8VvE263484 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 04:31:58 -0400 Message-ID: <3B763F16.7F90127C@ieee.org> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 01:32:22 -0700 From: Lasse Langwadt Christensen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org "Diehl, Jeffrey" wrote: > > I think you've communicated the main problem for me. I need to understand > how the ECU "knows" the engine position. > > If the ECU were a digital computer, I could imagine a fast clock and a > counter which was latched at the passing of each tooth in the 4-tooth wheel. > This count could be used to calculate RPM and the clock could be used to > trigger the firing of the next injector/sparkplug. But the ECU in the MR-2 > doesn't seem to be that sophistcated. Looks to be a completely analog > system! > > I guess this same algorithm could be done in analog... Is that how it > works? > > Thanx, > Mike Diehl. > snip I have no idea how it actually works, but it should be pretty simple to do it with a simple analog delay from tooth to firing, advancing would just be shortening the delay -Lasse -- Lasse Langwadt Christensen, -- A Dane in Phoenix, Arizona ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 12 03:44:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id DAA12372 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 03:44:47 -0700 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.71]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA12368 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 03:44:36 -0700 Received: from ppp-3-198.5800-12.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.185.198] helo=e8y0t6) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 15VsjL-000M9a-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:44:27 +0100 Message-ID: <001101c1231b$ad397e80$c6b9403e@e8y0t6> From: "Les Newell" To: References: Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:28:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The ouput of this type of sensor is very dependent on engine speed. At lower revs it will be a sharp positive spike as the tooth leading edge passes the sensor and a sharp negative spike as the trailing edge passes the sensor. As the speed increases the waveform becomes more square and at very high speed the waveform will approximate the shape of the tooth. The wave shape is also dependent on the load on the sensor. The output voltage is also highly dependent on speed. Open circuit voltage can be anything from a few millivolts at cranking speed to tens of volts at high revs. The only way to make sense of these messy signals is to detect the zero crossings as they will always be at the leading and trailing edges of the tooth. What are you trying to do? Are you trying to replace the distributor because you don't have room for it or are you trying to replace the ECU? If you are replacing the distributor it may be easier to make up toothed wheels that can be attached to the camshaft and relocate the sensors. The toothed wheels could even be replaced by blobs of weld on the cam pulley (assuming it is belt drive). Obviously you will still have to make an electronic distributor but this should not be difficult. One way would be to use a set-reset latch driven by two crank position sensors, one for piston 1 at about 10-30 deg ATDC and one for piston 2 at 10-30 deg ATDC. The latch would then drive substantial PNP transistors, switching the high sides of the coils (the ECU drives the low side). One coil would then feed pots 1 and 4 and the other pots 2 and 3, using the wasted spark system. Les > For all fo you who have replied and tried to help me, Thank you. I'm not > trying to be difficult, but I have to really understand how this system > works. > > My dad and I are considering an engine modification which will necessitate > converting to a distributor-less ignition, or at least fooling the ECU into > thinking it has a distributor.... > > We're thinking that as the tooth approaches the magnet, it induces a current > which gets larger as the tooth approaches and smaller as it passes, forming > (perhapse) a sin wave pattern. > > Now, if the ECU fires a spark plug when this current exceeds a fixed > voltage, we could advance/retard the ignition timing by adding a bias > voltage into this equation. The fact that the pickup only has two wires > coming out of it implies that all of this math is being done inside the ECU > and not by biasing the pickup itself, right? These details are important to > us when we try to build a circuit which emulates this behaviour. > > Any insight you may have would be most welcome. > > Thanx, > Mike Diehl. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Conlon > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Sent: 8/11/2001 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 > > At 12:42 AM 8/11/01 -0600, Diehl, Jeffrey wrote: > > >other with 1. The single-toothed wheel is probably used to run the > tach and > >is slightly offset from the cooresponding tooth on the 4-tooth wheel. > > The tach should be run via a signal from the igniter. On an '87 it > probably just takes a signal from the low voltage side of the coil. > > >There are no vacuum lines, so it is not doing vacuum advance. The only > >moving part is the shaft on which the two wheels move. > > > >So, my question is: How does this mechanism manage to advance the > spark? > > That ECU uses an AFM. It doesn't measure MAP directly, but can figure > out load, based on RPM and the AFM signal. It then uses the load value > to adjust the spark timing. The ECU controls all aspects of spark > timing... except dwell, which is probably controlled by the igniter. > > Actually that ECU is old enough that the Ne signal from the dizzy > (the one with more teeth) may go to the igniter, which then feeds a > copy of the signal to the ECU. (Operation is pretty similar to the > other setup, though, from the ECU's point of view.) Just a quirk to > watch out for when you're tracing down wires. > > Chris C. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 12 05:13:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA12701 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 05:13:57 -0700 Received: from fepD.post.tele.dk (fepD.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.149]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA12697 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 05:13:51 -0700 Received: from morten ([62.242.121.114]) by fepD.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.21 201-229-121-121-20010307) with SMTP id <20010812121349.LVZ11339.fepD.post.tele.dk@morten> for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:13:49 +0200 Message-ID: <001701c12328$ab9afdd0$0c6420ac@morten> From: "Morten T Nielsen" To: References: <12a.29e2ad8.28a77140@cs.com> Subject: Re: What now? Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:16:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hektor.valesh.com id FAA12698 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks a lot! I've never heard about that site. It looks like to be very informative! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 7:42 AM Subject: Re: What now? > you may just want to get on the DIY Promm burning board on Thirdgen.org and > start reading all post old & new post you can learn a lot from other peoples > problems,questions,&results just a suggestion > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 12 05:52:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA12912 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 05:52:23 -0700 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA12908 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 05:52:16 -0700 Received: from richm ([62.255.4.201]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010812125214.OYP29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@richm> for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:52:14 +0100 From: "Rich M" To: Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:40:15 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <001101c1231b$ad397e80$c6b9403e@e8y0t6> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Les Newell > Sent: 12 August 2001 11:28 > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 > > >The only way to make sense of these messy signals is to detect > the zero crossings as they will always be at the leading and > trailing edges > of the tooth. All reluctor systems will indeed detect the zero crossing of the voltage signal - but just as a point of fact, the zero crossing of voltage output will always be in the centre of the tooth, which corresponds to zero rate of change of flux in the reluctor coil while the target is right in front of the sensor. The voltage output is generated in response to a rate of change of flux in the reluctor coil. The voltage will swing one way as the target approaches (as the flux starts changing), it will reach a peak at the edge of the tooth and start reducing, reaching zero as the target covers the sensor. The opposite polarity voltage occurs in the same way as the target leaves proximity to the sensor. Once the target leaves the face of the sensor, the voltage again returns to zero as there is no rate of change of flux in the reluctor coil. Cheers Rich ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 12 06:03:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA13008 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 06:03:12 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA13002 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 06:03:06 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.84]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010812130303.VFKN29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:03:03 -0400 Message-ID: <003101c1232f$30f54520$54258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 09:03:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Rich M" Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 > > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > > Behalf Of Les Newell > > Sent: 12 August 2001 11:28 > > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 > >The only way to make sense of these messy signals is to detect > > the zero crossings as they will always be at the leading and > > trailing edges > > of the tooth. > > All reluctor systems will indeed detect the zero crossing of the voltage > signal Bzzzt, not all. Gm uses a strategy that is slightly off from that so if the ecm dies, there is some self induced advance in the system. Bruce - but just as a point of fact, the zero crossing of voltage output > will always be in the centre of the tooth, which corresponds to zero rate of > change of flux in the reluctor coil while the target is right in front of > the sensor. > The voltage output is generated in response to a rate of change of flux in > the reluctor coil. > The voltage will swing one way as the target approaches (as the flux starts > changing), it will reach a peak at the edge of the tooth and start reducing, > reaching zero as the target covers the sensor. The opposite polarity voltage > occurs in the same way as the target leaves proximity to the sensor. Once > the target leaves the face of the sensor, the voltage again returns to zero > as there is no rate of change of flux in the reluctor coil. > > Cheers > Rich ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 12 12:53:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA14275 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:53:33 -0700 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.72]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14271 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:53:20 -0700 Received: from ppp-2-230.5800-7.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.159.230] helo=e8y0t6) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 15W1IT-000Jkv-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:53:17 +0100 Message-ID: <004f01c12368$58f4e560$e69f403e@e8y0t6> From: "Les Newell" To: References: <003101c1232f$30f54520$54258fd1@bruce> Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:52:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Damn, I should know by now not to make statements like that. There is always someone out there who does it differntly, just to be awkward :-) Les > > All reluctor systems will indeed detect the zero crossing of the voltage > > signal > > Bzzzt, not all. Gm uses a strategy that is slightly off from that so if the > ecm dies, there is some self induced advance in the system. > Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 12 17:10:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA15113 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:10:34 -0700 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA15109 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:10:28 -0700 Received: from earthlink.net (user-2ivemfc.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.89.236]) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21720; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B771B53.500591E3@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 20:12:04 -0400 From: Joseph Obernberger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Diehl, Jeffrey" CC: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org '" Subject: Re: Ign Advance on MR-2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org You might want to check out some 'technical documents' on Toyotas: - particularly THEORY.PDF - it explains how the ignition system works on various Toyotas. I put together a distributorless ignition for my 1991 MR2T, and it worked...but seemed too sensitive to temperature changes so I have removed it. I would be *very* surprised if the ECU were all analog. joeo "Diehl, Jeffrey" wrote: > I think you've communicated the main problem for me. I need to understand > how the ECU "knows" the engine position. > > If the ECU were a digital computer, I could imagine a fast clock and a > counter which was latched at the passing of each tooth in the 4-tooth wheel. > This count could be used to calculate RPM and the clock could be used to > trigger the firing of the next injector/sparkplug. But the ECU in the MR-2 > doesn't seem to be that sophistcated. Looks to be a completely analog > system! > > I guess this same algorithm could be done in analog... Is that how it > works? > > Thanx, > Mike Diehl. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 12 23:32:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA16924 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:32:55 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:root@16dyn216.com21.casema.net [213.17.86.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA16920 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:32:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host IDENT:root@16dyn216.com21.casema.net [213.17.86.216] claimed to be localhost.localdomain Received: from wanadoo.nl (IDENT:arnaud@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04005 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:30:13 +0200 Message-ID: <3B7765E4.2921D1F6@wanadoo.nl> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:30:12 +0200 From: Arnaud Westenberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: CAN-bus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi list, Maybe not entirely on-topic but, I'm looking for a distribution scheme for CAN-bus identifiers. Is there such thing as a standard distribution scheme, ala obd2, or is it different for each (aftermarket)manufacturer. I should be able to identify each identifier just by looking at the data (unless the manuf. didn't assign ID's based on data source), however I'd prefer to have a scheme. I'm sure some of you must have tinkered with it. Mr Dammeyer maybe? ___ Arnaud ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 06:52:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA18859 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:52:37 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id GAA18839; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:52:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id IAA05639; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:52:09 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma005637; Mon, 13 Aug 01 08:52:05 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01812; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:52:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B77DAA1.DB1B0AD@arm.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:48:17 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi , gmecm@diy-efi.org Subject: DIY WB update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bob R has sent me a zip file containing his updated schematics for the DIY WB project, which includes PCB artwork. Who's ready for some boards? Thanks a bunch Bob, Bruce, and everyone else that has worked on this! http://diy-efi.org/diy_efi/projects/diy_wb/ I think Bob's got some followup information coming also... enjoy, --steve -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 07:28:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA19431 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:28:58 -0700 Received: from smtpgw.bnl.gov (mail@smtpgw.bnl.gov [130.199.3.16]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA19427 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:28:52 -0700 Received: from bnl.gov ([130.199.128.163]) by smtpgw.bnl.gov with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 15WIhz-0004BG-00 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:28:47 -0400 Received: from inst911 (inst911.ags.bnl.gov [130.199.100.93]) by bnl.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA19011 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010813102821.00adc8c0@exchange01.bnl.gov> X-Sender: rschroeder@exchange01.bnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:28:21 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Ron Schroeder Subject: RE: Ign Advance on MR-2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi Mike, This is possably an over simplification, but the sensors on ECM controlled spark are set for more advance than the max advance that the engine will use and the ECM retards the ignition from that point, it never advances it. The single tooth is slightly advanced from the 4 tooth so that the ECM knows that the very next pulse from the 4 tooth wheel is #1. Ron Schroeder WD8CDH E. E. S. wd8cdh@bnl.gov rjs@bnl.gov ron@112motors.com 631 344-4561 Day 631 286-5677 Nite ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 07:59:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA19838 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:59:44 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA19833; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:59:37 -0700 Received: from [206.99.139.8] (account ) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.4.6) with HTTP id 29124208; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:59:31 -0400 From: "rr" Subject: Re: DIY WB update To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, gmecm@diy-efi.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:59:31 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B77DAA1.DB1B0AD@arm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I want to thank everyone that helped me with the DIY-WB design. Unfortunately I don't have the list of folks with me at the moment. So I'll post another thank you later today giving recognition to everyone on the team. This was truly a team effort! Note that this design is based on Chad's original work. The package on the web site contains schematics, parts list, chip selection guide and contruction tips. I didn't include artwork. I went one better and had boards made!There are PCBs available now. If anyone wants a board please contact Bob Valentine at: wideband@tecmark.com They are about $9 US each. We would like to limit initial purchases to 2 boards. This is to get the boards out to as many folks as possible. If demand warrents more boards can be made. The boards are 3" x 5", double sided with component legend, plated through holes. Board includes both a heater controller circuit and UEGO controller circuit. Please remember to refer to this as the DIY-WB project. Thanks, BobR. On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:48:17 -0500 steve ravet wrote: > Bob R has sent me a zip file containing his updated > schematics for the > DIY WB project, which includes PCB artwork. Who's ready > for some > boards? Thanks a bunch Bob, Bruce, and everyone else > that has worked on > this! > > http://diy-efi.org/diy_efi/projects/diy_wb/ > > I think Bob's got some followup information coming > also... > > enjoy, > --steve > > -- > Steve Ravet > steve.ravet@arm.com > ARM,Inc. > www.arm.com > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 08:49:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA20290 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:49:45 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA20285 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:49:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8 [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16530 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26259 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:49:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3B77F709.29D49E38@adams.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:49:29 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY WB update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org rr wrote: > > I want to thank everyone that helped me with the DIY-WB > design. Unfortunately I don't have the list of folks with > me at the moment. So I'll post another thank you later > today giving recognition to everyone on the team. This was > truly a team effort! Note that this design is based on > Chad's original work. Bob et al, Yes, thanks very much for the effort, guys! I hope it was fun. > The package on the web site contains schematics, parts > list, chip selection guide and contruction tips. I didn't Now if some industrious individual were to put together a complimentary parts package (with or without sensor) to go along with the board, I for one would be willing to pay a generous surcharge just to avoid the hassle of doing it myself. Anyone? Eric -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 09:05:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA20441 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:05:26 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA20437; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:05:20 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.65]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010813160517.RNXB29133.tiberius@bruce>; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:05:17 -0400 Message-ID: <012e01bee5a5$b1605e80$410ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: , References: <3B77F709.29D49E38@adams.com> Subject: Re: DIY WB update Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:05:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org DIY WB. Do It Yourself, Wide Band. This is meant to be TOTALLY NON-PROFIT, If someone/folks want to organize a group purchase (of materials), fine. Other then that, hell no. A bunch of guys, have a ridiculous amount of hours invested in this, and to let anyone capitialize on their backs, is flat insulting. This effort was years in the making. If anyone has a problem, understanding this, write me off list, and I'll go over it in detail. Bruce From: "Eric Fahlgren" Subject: Re: DIY WB update > rr wrote: > > I want to thank everyone that helped me with the DIY-WB > > design. Unfortunately I don't have the list of folks with > > me at the moment. So I'll post another thank you later > > today giving recognition to everyone on the team. This was > > truly a team effort! Note that this design is based on > > Chad's original work. > Bob et al, > Yes, thanks very much for the effort, guys! I hope it was fun. > > The package on the web site contains schematics, parts > > list, chip selection guide and contruction tips. I didn't > Now if some industrious individual were to put together > a complimentary parts package (with or without sensor) to go > along with the board, I for one would be willing to pay a generous > surcharge just to avoid the hassle of doing it myself. Anyone? > Eric ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 09:51:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA21155 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:51:36 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA21149; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:51:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8 [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22215; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00642; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:51:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3B780590.2E2A30E7@adams.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:51:28 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org CC: gmecm@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY WB update References: <3B77F709.29D49E38@adams.com> <012e01bee5a5$b1605e80$410ac9d8@bruce> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bruce wrote: > > DIY WB. > Do It Yourself, Wide Band. > This is meant to be TOTALLY NON-PROFIT, > If someone/folks want to organize a group purchase (of materials), fine. > Other then that, hell no. > A bunch of guys, have a ridiculous amount of hours invested in this, and to > let anyone capitialize on their backs, is flat insulting. This effort was > years in the making. If anyone has a problem, understanding this, write me > off list, and I'll go over it in detail. > Bruce Bruce, Oops, my big bad, sorry. I completely missed the profit part of my suggestion. For those of us who didn't participate in the project, but are taking advantage of the work, it sure would be nice to be able to give the project guys more than just a big "attaboy." Mea culpa, Eric -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 10:35:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA21851 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:35:39 -0700 Received: from ns3.cybersol.com (ns3.cybersol.com [209.172.21.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA21847 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:35:33 -0700 Received: from alfred (unverified [209.172.14.101]) by ns3.cybersol.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:35:16 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010813112138.006a2b44@smtp.cybersol.com> X-Sender: btisdale@smtp.cybersol.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:21:38 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Barry Tisdale Subject: Non EFI, sort of. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm looking for a 3"ID flexible hose, rigid enough to take some suction w/o collapsing. Its to go from my turbo inlet to the air filter. The corregated polyethylene hose used on shopvacs would be great, but its only 2". Any suggestions as to what I might look for? Thanks - Barry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 10:51:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA21987 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:51:38 -0700 Received: from advantekexch01.advan-tek.com ([146.145.24.116]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA21983 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:51:32 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [146.145.24.116] claimed to be advantekexch01.advan-tek.com Received: by ADVANTEKEXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:44:11 -0400 Message-ID: <796F43FD3E3FD511B78C00902785BE7A02C90A@ADVANTEKEXCH01> From: Stephen Andersen To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: DIY WB update Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:44:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I could be very interested in a group purchase. I am an electronics doofus, but I think i could put something together if I has the board, the parts, and instructions. Anybody planning on organizing one? Steve Stephen M. Andersen, P.E. (302) 326-6405 Technical Director FAX (302) 326-6401 AdvanTek International, LLC Cell (302) 547-9842 56 Read's Way andersen@Advan-Tek.com New Castle, DE 19720 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Bruce > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:06 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org; gmecm@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: DIY WB update > > > > > DIY WB. > Do It Yourself, Wide Band. > This is meant to be TOTALLY NON-PROFIT, > If someone/folks want to organize a group purchase (of > materials), fine. > Other then that, hell no. > A bunch of guys, have a ridiculous amount of hours invested > in this, and to > let anyone capitialize on their backs, is flat insulting. > This effort was > years in the making. If anyone has a problem, understanding > this, write me > off list, and I'll go over it in detail. > Bruce > > From: "Eric Fahlgren" > Subject: Re: DIY WB update > > rr wrote: > > > I want to thank everyone that helped me with the DIY-WB > > > design. Unfortunately I don't have the list of folks with > > > me at the moment. So I'll post another thank you later > > > today giving recognition to everyone on the team. This was > > > truly a team effort! Note that this design is based on > > > Chad's original work. > > Bob et al, > > > Yes, thanks very much for the effort, guys! I hope it was fun. > > > The package on the web site contains schematics, parts > > > list, chip selection guide and contruction tips. I didn't > > > Now if some industrious individual were to put together > > a complimentary parts package (with or without sensor) to go > > along with the board, I for one would be willing to pay a generous > > surcharge just to avoid the hassle of doing it myself. Anyone? > > Eric > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" > (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 11:03:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA22121 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:03:34 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA22116; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:03:11 -0700 Received: from [206.99.139.8] (account ) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.4.6) with HTTP id 29144554; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:03:05 -0400 From: "rr" Subject: Re: DIY WB update To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, gmecm@diy-efi.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:03:05 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3B7802F6.9E682F22@arm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Folks, it would be a good thing if someone were to put a parts kit together. This would help out a lot of folks. However, this needs to be done by someone who doesn't have dollar signs in their eyes. Notice the PCB price is not a nice round number. The reason is that is what the boards cost, period. We could have easily charged many times what was actually paid for the boards. The return for helping out is multi-faceted. There is also the recognition amongst your peers. You become part of the DIY-WB team. This is not a money making venture. It is a hobby. Thank you, BobR. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 11:06:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA22202 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:06:06 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA22196 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:05:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8 [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29016 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08534 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:05:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3B781704.700E88AE@adams.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:05:56 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Non EFI, sort of. References: <3.0.1.32.20010813112138.006a2b44@smtp.cybersol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Barry Tisdale wrote: > > I'm looking for a 3"ID flexible hose, rigid enough to take some suction w/o > collapsing. Its to go from my turbo inlet to the air filter. The > corregated polyethylene hose used on shopvacs would be great, but its only 2". Vacuum hoses are usually vinyl, I think. They probably would melt under the hood. The ducting from the air box to the turbo inlet should have very low vacuum (< 1 inch Hg), so it need not be that rigid. > Any suggestions as to what I might look for? How about brake ducting? Kinda expensive, but it would certainly get the job done. http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/duct.htm -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 11:18:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA22504 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:18:16 -0700 Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id LAA22499 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:18:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20] claimed to be mail.gmx.net Received: (qmail 18079 invoked by uid 0); 13 Aug 2001 18:17:27 -0000 Received: from handi5-212-144-136-002.arcor-ip.net (HELO excalibur) (212.144.136.2) by mail.gmx.net (mp004-rz3) with SMTP; 13 Aug 2001 18:17:27 -0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:14:04 +0200 Message-ID: <01C12434.7F956100.knickm@gmx.net> From: Jens Knickmeyer To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: CAN-bus Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:12:57 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I am not Mr. Dammeyer but... AFAIK, there is NO standard distribution scheme. When an ECU is developped at Bosch, ETAS, dSpace or so, they can use whatever IDs they want. Of cource, nobody can deal with such stuff, so there are other standards. One is CANdb, a file format by Vector Informatik GmbH. That file works for freerunning ECUs only. It lists every ID and the encoding scheme of measurement values in the data section of the CAN message. For example, there are signed/unsigned, data legth, start bit and scaling information in that file. If you want to measure ECU data, you simply use an application which can deal with the CANdb format (let's say "Vector CANalyzer"), import your CANdb file and setup your display or graphic view. That's it. Connect the ECU to power, start the CANalyzer et voila, there you have your data. CANdb has become a standard in automotive industry and is used by (e.g.) VW, DaimlerChrysler, BMW, Volvo, Saab, MAN, Audi etc. CANdb files usually have an extension ".dbc" Another approach is the ASAP-2 standard. This is a file which also describes ECU data, but it is suitable for non-freerunning ECUs. The ASAP2 files (extension ".A2L") are much bigger (8 MB is not quite seldom) and describe nearly everything. An A2L file lists which protocol is used by the ECU (e.g., CCP and/or KWP2000). For each protocol, the details are listed. For CCP this would be CRO (command request object), DTO (data transmission object), DAC-lists and the signals for each list, scaling data for each signal and so on. When ECUs were mainly using freerunning mode and therefore described by CANdb files, manufacturers had a company standard for IDs. For example, message identifier 1024 contained engine temperature, air temperature, revs and accelleration, each in 16 bit signed motorola backward format. Today where ECUs are more and more using the more sophisticated protocols KWP2000 and CCP, noone really seems to care for such standards. Engineers expect software to deal with ASAP-2 files and let them chose the signals to be logged/viewed from a Windows frontend. For private use, it is nearly impossible to deal with the new ECUs using CAN and do a few investigations. When you say "I should be able to identify each identifier just by looking at the data" then you should be aware of multiplexing being used in CAN messages quite often to reduce bandwidth. But even for commercial use, there are data aquisition tools missing. There will soon a device being presented which basically deals with the ECU via CCP or KWP or other protocols ) and produces a freerunning output on CAN, thus ensuring that exisiting tools based on freerunning mode will work even with the new protocols. Hope this helps more than it confuses... Jens Knickmeyer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 11:28:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA22737 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:28:30 -0700 Received: from edison.chisp.net (edison.chisp.net [207.174.31.1]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA22733; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:28:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (ciciora@localhost) by edison.chisp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22425; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:28:10 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: edison.chisp.net: ciciora owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:28:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Steven Ciciora X-Sender: ciciora@edison.chisp.net To: gmecm@diy-efi.org cc: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY WB update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'll put together several kits. I won't even ask for any pre-payment, 'cause there is a good chance I have a significant fraction of the parts on hand. I won't commit to how many until I get a PCB in my hand. For example, I have 3,000 0.1uF caps, but with 0.1" lead spacing. If the PCB has 0.1" lead spacing, I can provide these caps really cheap. Otherwise, if the leadspacing is 0.2", there is a good chance we would be better off just buying them. I would like to know how many PCBs were made. I would feel confortable making at least 1/2 that many parts kits available without pre-payment. - Steve On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, rr wrote: > > Folks, it would be a good thing if someone were to put > a parts kit together. This would help out a lot of folks. > > However, this needs to be done by someone who doesn't > have dollar signs in their eyes. Notice the PCB price is > not a nice round number. The reason is that is what the > boards cost, period. We could have easily charged many > times what was actually paid for the boards. > > The return for helping out is multi-faceted. There is also > the recognition amongst your peers. You become part of the > DIY-WB team. This is not a money making venture. It is a > hobby. > > Thank you, > > BobR. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from gmecm, send "unsubscribe gmecm" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 11:29:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA22759 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:29:05 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA22743 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:28:43 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.51]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010813182836.TADT333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:28:36 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01bee5b9$b70633a0$330ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <3.0.1.32.20010813112138.006a2b44@smtp.cybersol.com> Subject: Re: Non EFI, sort of. Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:29:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I beleive the GN MAF ducting hose is. There was a thread about something along those lines at www.turbobuick.com in the last couple weeks. I think GM discontinued it, but you might check. Bruce From: "Barry Tisdale" Subject: Non EFI, sort of. > I'm looking for a 3"ID flexible hose, rigid enough to take some suction w/o > collapsing. Its to go from my turbo inlet to the air filter. The > corregated polyethylene hose used on shopvacs would be great, but its only 2". > Any suggestions as to what I might look for? > Thanks - Barry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 11:36:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA23008 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:36:17 -0700 Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com ([199.74.158.61]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA22993 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:36:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [199.74.158.61] claimed to be mail.verizonwireless.com Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com by mail.verizonwireless.com (414/1100) with ESMTP id f7DIO9212886; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqbedigwy1.corp.bam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:22:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Flanagan, Steve" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" , "'btisdale@cybersol.com'" Subject: RE: Non EFI, sort of. Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:22:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Do not use rubber hose. Go to your local hardware store (home depot, etc) and look for stove pipe, the 90 deg pieces can be spun in many ways to make any shape/bend possible. That shopvac hose may work but I would not trust. It can crack due to heat,etc, and the last thing you want going through your engine and turbine is plastic. Use metal, its the best solution. On our drag cars we do not ever use an air filter at all. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Barry Tisdale [mailto:btisdale@cybersol.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 11:22 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Non EFI, sort of. I'm looking for a 3"ID flexible hose, rigid enough to take some suction w/o collapsing. Its to go from my turbo inlet to the air filter. The corregated polyethylene hose used on shopvacs would be great, but its only 2". Any suggestions as to what I might look for? Thanks - Barry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 12:12:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA23685 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:12:11 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f272.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.150]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA23681 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:12:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f272.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.150] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:11:33 -0700 Received: from 151.198.174.132 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:11:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.198.174.132] From: "justin ivan" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY WB update Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:11:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Aug 2001 19:11:33.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[C44F75A0:01C1242B] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org As someone who has taken recent interest in this project, I would definately appreciate a kit of available. I also volunteer my time as much as possible. I am a Mechanical Engineer with almost no pcb experience so I am not sure what I can offer. At the very least I will like to post very thorough observations if I am ever able to get one of these working. Sincerely, Justin Ivan >From: Steven Ciciora >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >To: gmecm@diy-efi.org >CC: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >Subject: Re: DIY WB update >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:28:09 -0600 (MDT) > >I'll put together several kits. I won't even ask for any pre-payment, >'cause there is a good chance I have a significant fraction of the parts >on hand. I won't commit to how many until I get a PCB in my hand. For >example, I have 3,000 0.1uF caps, but with 0.1" lead spacing. If the PCB >has 0.1" lead spacing, I can provide these caps really cheap. Otherwise, >if the leadspacing is 0.2", there is a good chance we would be better off >just buying them. > >I would like to know how many PCBs were made. I would feel confortable >making at least 1/2 that many parts kits available without pre-payment. > >- Steve > >On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, rr wrote: > > > > > Folks, it would be a good thing if someone were to put > > a parts kit together. This would help out a lot of folks. > > > > However, this needs to be done by someone who doesn't > > have dollar signs in their eyes. Notice the PCB price is > > not a nice round number. The reason is that is what the > > boards cost, period. We could have easily charged many > > times what was actually paid for the boards. > > > > The return for helping out is multi-faceted. There is also > > the recognition amongst your peers. You become part of the > > DIY-WB team. This is not a money making venture. It is a > > hobby. > > > > Thank you, > > > > BobR. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from gmecm, send "unsubscribe gmecm" (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to >majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 13:24:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA24313 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:24:31 -0700 Received: from bent.twistedbits.net (root@[64.6.225.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA24309 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:24:25 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host root@[64.6.225.6] claimed to be bent.twistedbits.net Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by bent.twistedbits.net (8.10.2/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f7DKOEl19273 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:24:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:24:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Jon X-Sender: jon@bent.twistedbits.net To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Non EFI, sort of. In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010813112138.006a2b44@smtp.cybersol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Barry Tisdale wrote: > I'm looking for a 3"ID flexible hose, rigid enough to take some suction w/o > collapsing. Its to go from my turbo inlet to the air filter. The > corregated polyethylene hose used on shopvacs would be great, but its only 2". > > Any suggestions as to what I might look for? You might try to find some 3" flexible exhaust tubing. Its nowhere near as flexible as a shop vac hose might be, but depending on what sort of routing you need, it may work. Another option might be to buy some mandrel bends from someplace likc JC Whitney or an exhaust shop, then cut 'em up and put them together however you need to. (Either by welding them together or using 3" silicone connectors.) -Jon- .---- Jon Steiger ------ jon@dakota-truck.net or jon@jonsteiger.com -----. | I'm the: AOPA, DoD, EAA, NMA, NRA, SPA, USUA. Rec & UL Pilot - SEL | | '70 Barracuda, '92 Ram 4x4, '96 Dakota, '96 Intruder 1400, '96 FireFly | `----------------------------------------- http://www.jonsteiger.com ----' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 13:34:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA24370 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:34:19 -0700 Received: from avalon.siteprotect.com (avalon.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.99]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA24366 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:34:12 -0700 Received: from 050817976 (helios.compusa.com [198.22.121.120]) by avalon.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09129 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:32:33 -0500 From: "Raymond Brantley" To: Subject: RE: Non EFI, sort of. Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:35:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010813112138.006a2b44@smtp.cybersol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Barry, at one time I worked for a Mack truck dealership and we would usually go to aftermarket hose suppliers for all types of hose when we didn't have the mack replacement or were doing a custom setup. We used some high quality/high temp stuff. Here in the DFW area there is a company called Stuarthose http://www.stuarthose.com believe me they probably have what you want. Beware of the price though, I picked up some 4" orange wire reinforced (siloflex ??) and it was 15 bucks a foot ! I used that hose for the air inlet on a supercharged vehicle it has a smooth surface on the inside and won't collapse. Thanks, Raymond -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Barry Tisdale Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 10:22 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Non EFI, sort of. I'm looking for a 3"ID flexible hose, rigid enough to take some suction w/o collapsing. Its to go from my turbo inlet to the air filter. The corregated polyethylene hose used on shopvacs would be great, but its only 2". Any suggestions as to what I might look for? Thanks - Barry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 14:13:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA24839 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:13:44 -0700 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA24835 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:13:37 -0700 Received: from richm ([62.255.9.179]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010813211331.KHYZ20588.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@richm> for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:13:31 +0100 From: "Rich M" To: Subject: RE: Non EFI, sort of. Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:04:51 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In the UK we have Samcosport hoses - they are a fabric reinforced silicone rubber layup and specifically aimed at turbo boost and coolant hoses, resistant to both pressure and vacuum. They range in size from about 2" upwards and come in pre-formed shapes to suit specific application fitment and also various bends, straights and reducers. www.samcosport.com for more info. Hope this may help Cheers Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Flanagan, Steve > Sent: 13 August 2001 19:22 > To: 'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'; 'btisdale@cybersol.com' > Subject: RE: Non EFI, sort of. > > > > Do not use rubber hose. > > Go to your local hardware store (home depot, etc) and look for stove pipe, > the 90 deg > pieces can be spun in many ways to make any shape/bend possible. > > That shopvac hose may work but I would not trust. It can crack due to > heat,etc, and > the last thing you want going through your engine and turbine is plastic. > Use metal, > its the best solution. > > On our drag cars we do not ever use an air filter at all. > > Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Tisdale [mailto:btisdale@cybersol.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 11:22 AM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Non EFI, sort of. > > > I'm looking for a 3"ID flexible hose, rigid enough to take some > suction w/o > collapsing. Its to go from my turbo inlet to the air filter. The > corregated polyethylene hose used on shopvacs would be great, but its only > 2". > > Any suggestions as to what I might look for? > > Thanks - Barry > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 14:33:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA25001 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:33:58 -0700 Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA24997 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:33:52 -0700 From: Onebil2mny@aol.com Received: from Onebil2mny@aol.com by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id o.f3.e430481 (25508) for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:33:17 EDT Subject: Re: DIY WB explanation To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm a little new to this whole DIY-EFI thing, and so a lot of this stuff is a little over my head. Could someone please send me an email explaining what this is and why it is useful? Thanks! Bill K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 15:47:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA25595 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:47:52 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA25578; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:46:55 -0700 Received: from [216.107.54.27] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 29175958; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:46:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7858EE.C18D5480@nni.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:47:10 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: DIY-WB design team Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org As you have probably noticed there is a new release of the WB O2 project. First and foremost it was Bruce Plecan that drove the initial design process. With the analog design ability of Chad Clendening a DIY-WB design appeared late last year. Chad's design worked. I built it on a breadboard with a sensor attached. Initially some minor changes were made to the design. It wasn't until the 2nd EFI POW WOW that I met several people that could help with the various aspects that required attention. >From there the help blossomed. It took all of us to come to this final design. So, I want to introduce the people that make up the DIY-WB design team: Bruce Plecan Chad Clendening Bruce Roe Jason Haines Mark Riley Scott "Dig" Bartholomay Scott Pearson Bob Valentine Kevin Wong Thank you & a job well done! BobR. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 16:28:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA25897 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:28:13 -0700 Received: from mbox.ualr.edu (mbox.ualr.edu [144.167.10.38]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA25893 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:28:07 -0700 Received: from vn-gateway by UALR.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #24705) id <01K73FIGV2JK0000UM@UALR.EDU> for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:27:56 CDT Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:01:00 -0500 From: dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams) Subject: Non EFI, sort of. To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Message-id: <954323.7.uupcb@chaos.lrk.ar.us> Organization: Maximum Overdrive Racing Engines * Jacksonville AR USA MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org -> I'm looking for a 3"ID flexible hose, rigid enough to take some -> suction w/o collapsing. Its to go from my turbo inlet to the air -> filter. The corregated polyethylene hose used on shopvacs would be -> great, but its only 2". Use muffler pipe and rubber couplers. I've had OEM stiff plastic remote filter hoses collapse even with new filters; not a lot of restriction, but underhood heat softens the plastic. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 19:19:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA27205 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:19:48 -0700 Received: from cgpro.iccx.net (webmail.iccx.net [166.93.205.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA27201 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:19:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host webmail.iccx.net [166.93.205.11] claimed to be cgpro.iccx.net Received: from [206.168.145.197] (HELO [206.168.145.197]) by cgpro.iccx.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 75062447 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:19:27 -0600 X-Sender: bearbvd@mail.cmn.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 20:11:00 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: bearbvd@cmn.net (Greg Hermann) Subject: Re: Non EFI, sort of. Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 4:24 PM 8/13/01, Jon wrote: >On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Barry Tisdale wrote: > >> I'm looking for a 3"ID flexible hose, rigid enough to take some suction w/o >> collapsing. Its to go from my turbo inlet to the air filter. The >> corregated polyethylene hose used on shopvacs would be great, but its >>only 2". >> >> Any suggestions as to what I might look for? If you want to go really hi-tech, there are some outfits (Hy-Span comes to mind) who make rolled steel bellows--for expansion joints and such (industrial pip;ing applications) out of type 321 stainless steel. This is the sort of stuff you might see covering the slip type expansion joints on aircraft (piston) engine headers. Greg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 13 22:01:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA29662 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:01:16 -0700 Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.89]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA29658 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 22:01:09 -0700 From: dom_@mac.com Received: by smtpout.mac.com; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200108140459.VAA18573@smtpout.mac.com> Received: from asmtp01.mac.com ([10.13.10.65]) by smtp-relay02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 relay02 Jun 21 2001 23:53:48) with ESMTP id GI1KJQ00.3U7 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:59:50 -0700 Received: from localhost ([24.16.215.204]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 asmtp01 Jun 6 2001 13:16:42) with ESMTP id GI1KJP00.AYC for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:59:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:59:50 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010813112138.006a2b44@smtp.cybersol.com> Subject: Re: Non EFI, sort of. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org http://mcmaster.com Search for "Santoprene Hose" been using the 60mm size for a year or so, works great, bends tight and will set to a shape after a while. -Dom On Monday, August 13, 2001, at 08:21 AM, Barry Tisdale wrote: > I'm looking for a 3"ID flexible hose, rigid enough to take some suction > w/o > collapsing. Its to go from my turbo inlet to the air filter. The > corregated polyethylene hose used on shopvacs would be great, but its > only 2". > > Any suggestions as to what I might look for? > > Thanks - Barry > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy- > efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 14 00:19:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA31533 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:19:23 -0700 Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:root@17dyn11.com21.casema.net [213.17.87.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA31529 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:19:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host IDENT:root@17dyn11.com21.casema.net [213.17.87.11] claimed to be localhost.localdomain Received: from wanadoo.nl (IDENT:arnaud@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04737; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:16:31 +0200 Message-ID: <3B78C23E.DC65087D@wanadoo.nl> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:16:30 +0200 From: Arnaud Westenberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org CC: knickm@gmx.net Subject: Re: CAN-bus References: <01C12434.7F956100.knickm@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Jens Knickmeyer wrote: > > I am not Mr. Dammeyer but... That's ok :-) > One is CANdb, a file format > by Vector Informatik GmbH. I've 'heard' of CANdb, but I didn't realize manufacturers are really using it. Thanks for all the great info!!! Regards, Arnaud ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 14 05:43:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA00611 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:43:37 -0700 Received: from ns3.cybersol.com (ns3.cybersol.com [209.172.21.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA00606 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:43:31 -0700 Received: from alfred (unverified [209.172.23.12]) by ns3.cybersol.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:43:30 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010814084129.006b6f28@smtp.cybersol.com> X-Sender: btisdale@smtp.cybersol.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:41:29 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Barry Tisdale Subject: Re: DIY WB update In-Reply-To: References: <3B77DAA1.DB1B0AD@arm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Is the link to the ftp site broken, or is it my browser?? Looking for the WB info. Barry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 14 05:54:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA00778 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:54:34 -0700 Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA00774 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:54:29 -0700 Received: from c157627a ([24.11.247.148]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010814125418.OSZT27990.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c157627a>; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:54:18 -0700 From: "Glenn & Debbie Woodhouse" To: , Subject: Recall: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #696 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:59:01 -0600 Message-ID: <000301c124c0$e4353ea0$94f70b18@boise1.id.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Expiry-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:58:59 -0600 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Glenn & Debbie Woodhouse would like to recall the message, "DIY_EFI Digest V5 #696". ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 14 05:55:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA00795 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:55:54 -0700 Received: from femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.26]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA00790 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:55:49 -0700 Received: from c157627a ([24.11.247.148]) by femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010814125418.OSZT27990.femail36.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c157627a>; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:54:18 -0700 From: "Glenn & Debbie Woodhouse" To: , Subject: Recall: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #696 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 06:59:01 -0600 Message-ID: <000301c124c0$e4353ea0$94f70b18@boise1.id.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Expiry-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:58:59 -0600 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Glenn & Debbie Woodhouse would like to recall the message, "DIY_EFI Digest V5 #696". ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 14 07:14:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA01716 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:14:29 -0700 Received: from cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com [207.46.181.86]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA01712 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:14:22 -0700 Received: from 6b6fn01 ([63.29.115.218]) by cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:13:46 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c124cb$8d5678a0$da731d3f@6b6fn01> From: "Brian Lewis" To: References: <200108110800.BAA04532@hektor.valesh.com> Subject: Ignition Current Limit Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:15:16 -0400 Organization: Performance Electronics, Ltd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2001 14:13:47.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[55700410:01C124CB] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi All; Does anyone know how the auto manufacturers handle ignition? Are most of the systems still inductive in nature or CDI? If inductive, how do they handle current regulation through the primary coil? Also, do any of the igniters out there (Bosch for example) regulate current or are they simply a potted transistor. Thanks in advance. Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 14 07:20:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA01760 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:20:46 -0700 Received: from advantekexch01.advan-tek.com ([146.145.24.116]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA01756 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:20:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [146.145.24.116] claimed to be advantekexch01.advan-tek.com Received: by ADVANTEKEXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: <796F43FD3E3FD511B78C00902785BE7A02C910@ADVANTEKEXCH01> From: Stephen Andersen To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: DIY WB update Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:13:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Question: Would it be possible to "hire" someone or a company to put the boards together (assemble all of the components to the board) and buy a batch of completed boards without violating the spirit of the "no-one should profit" from the WB? Could we get enough group interest to have some electronics company in silicon valley build the boards for us for a reasonable amount? Anyone have any input or ideas? I am a Mech E and looking at the schematics and considering my limited soldering skills, am worried that I will either fry components, or build a board which does not work and will be nearly impossible to troubleshoot. If doing this would not violate the spirit of the WB effort, I would be happy to check a couple of sources for costs and quantities required to do this. I of course do not intend to profit from this, just looking to get myself a WB O2 without shelling out the retail rates... Steve Stephen M. Andersen, P.E. (302) 326-6405 Technical Director FAX (302) 326-6401 AdvanTek International, LLC Cell (302) 547-9842 56 Read's Way andersen@Advan-Tek.com New Castle, DE 19720 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Steven Ciciora > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:28 PM > To: gmecm@diy-efi.org > Cc: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: DIY WB update > > > I'll put together several kits. I won't even ask for any pre-payment, > 'cause there is a good chance I have a significant fraction > of the parts > on hand. I won't commit to how many until I get a PCB in my > hand. For > example, I have 3,000 0.1uF caps, but with 0.1" lead spacing. > If the PCB > has 0.1" lead spacing, I can provide these caps really cheap. > Otherwise, > if the leadspacing is 0.2", there is a good chance we would > be better off > just buying them. > > I would like to know how many PCBs were made. I would feel > confortable > making at least 1/2 that many parts kits available without > pre-payment. > > - Steve > > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, rr wrote: > > > > > Folks, it would be a good thing if someone were to put > > a parts kit together. This would help out a lot of folks. > > > > However, this needs to be done by someone who doesn't > > have dollar signs in their eyes. Notice the PCB price is > > not a nice round number. The reason is that is what the > > boards cost, period. We could have easily charged many > > times what was actually paid for the boards. > > > > The return for helping out is multi-faceted. There is also > > the recognition amongst your peers. You become part of the > > DIY-WB team. This is not a money making venture. It is a > > hobby. > > > > Thank you, > > > > BobR. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > > To unsubscribe from gmecm, send "unsubscribe gmecm" > (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" > (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 14 07:23:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA01793 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:23:39 -0700 Received: from mg01.austin.ibm.com (mg01.austin.ibm.com [192.35.232.18]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA01789 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 07:23:32 -0700 Received: from austin.ibm.com (netmail.austin.ibm.com [9.3.7.137]) by mg01.austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24466 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:25:15 -0500 Received: from popmail.austin.ibm.com (popmail.austin.ibm.com [9.53.247.178]) by austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27508 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:23:27 -0500 Received: from linux (crashandburn.austin.ibm.com [9.53.174.190]) by popmail.austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.7-client1.01) with SMTP id JAA38142 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:23:25 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Andrew Theurer To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #696 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:21:53 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <200108140800.BAA31743@hektor.valesh.com> In-Reply-To: <200108140800.BAA31743@hektor.valesh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01081409215301.21510@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Barry, http://www.hosexpress.com hose type: SW-360 This is what I am ordering today in 4" for my twin turbo setup. Good to about 350F and semi flexible, dual helix coil to eliminate collapsing. $13/ft. Andrew Theurer P.S. I have _never_ successfully sub'd in _non_ digest mode for this email list. I haven't tried (again) in a while, but just wondering, is there actually a non-digest version?? Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:21:38 -0400 From: Barry Tisdale Subject: Non EFI, sort of. I'm looking for a 3"ID flexible hose, rigid enough to take some suction w/o collapsing. Its to go from my turbo inlet to the air filter. The corregated polyethylene hose used on shopvacs would be great, but its only 2". Any suggestions as to what I might look for? Thanks - Barry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 14 08:16:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA02358 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:16:36 -0700 Received: from web13105.mail.yahoo.com (web13105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.150]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA02354 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:16:30 -0700 Message-ID: <20010814151630.78730.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.192.215.56] by web13105.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:16:30 PDT Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:16:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Hunter Subject: Re: Non EFI, sort of. To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: <200108140800.BAA31743@hektor.valesh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Eric Fahlgren wrote: [snip] > The ducting from the air box to the turbo inlet > should have very low vacuum (< 1 inch Hg), so it > need not be that rigid. Don't forget Bernoulli, high speed air inside the tubing w/ static air pressure outside, I've heard of even aluminum dryer vent ducting collapsing. regards, phil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 14 10:45:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA03296 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:45:57 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA03290 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:45:50 -0700 Received: from [206.99.139.8] (account ) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.4.6) with HTTP id 29276776 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:45:48 -0400 From: "rr" Subject: Fwd: Wideband Boards Order Status Update To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:45:48 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20010814041635.008fd650@pop3.liii.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm not sure if this reached the diy-efi list. So I'm just forwarding it over. . . BobR. On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 04:16:36 -0400 Bob Valentine wrote: > As of right now, all the boards which were produced have > been allocated. > If you sent an email to wideband@tecmark.com and have NOT > recieved a reply > with price & shipping info it means that there were none > availible to fill > your request. > > The GOOD news is that more will be produced. Before > ordering more, we'd > like to have an idea as to how many we should have made. > To facilitate > this, I have made a web page to get name, address, and > quantity requested > info: > > http://208.37.117.207/wb.html > > No tables, frames, CSS, ect any web browser should be > able to use it. Sorry > for the numeric IP, it's not a thing of beauty - I'm not > a webmaster. > > If you already ordered your limit of two, and want more, > enter it there. > > All questions about DIY-WB board orders go OFF-LIST to > wideband@tecmark.com > > -> Bob Valentine > -> bob@tecmark.com > -> wideband@tecmark.com for DIY-WB board inquires > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from gmecm, send "unsubscribe gmecm" > (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 14 16:44:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA05813 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:44:32 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA05809 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:44:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00119 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:57:51 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B79B87B.1E7F9B3F@techedge.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:47:07 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Australian Wideband Boards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org After consulting with the DIY-WB design team, it seems likely that I'll organise some locally made DIY-WB boards. This has the advantage of getting boards out to local people who would otherwise find having to organise payment, freight etc. a limiting task. I'm still trying to nail down a price - the cut price people must have more work than they can handle 8-( but I expect to get it at about the US$ price, say less than AU$20, and with shipping I expect that price to be AU$20. I hope to get as many boards made as will fit on the largest prototype area possible. My business has Mastercard/Visa facility for payment, but I must stress that I'm doing this strictly as a DIY, after-hours and TOTALLY non-profit operation in the spirit of the project. For this to be a go-er, I need to get enough people to justify the order cost, so if you're interested, send me an email: mailto:wideband@techedge.com.au?subject=Order Depending on order vs manufacturing quantity, I may juggle the number of boards an individual may order. If you have made a US order, then you also need to tell me. I intend to get a US made board myself, just to assure myself everything is okay. Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 14 17:06:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA05955 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:06:34 -0700 Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA05951 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:06:28 -0700 Received: from electron ([24.3.251.94]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010814193719.GOSQ16954.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@electron> for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:37:19 -0700 Message-ID: <035601c124f8$6bf39760$0500a8c0@intranet.inductionindustries.com> From: "Jeff Bromberger" To: References: <3B77DAA1.DB1B0AD@arm.com> <3.0.1.32.20010814084129.006b6f28@smtp.cybersol.com> Subject: Re: DIY WB update Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:36:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org the link doesn't seem to be completely correct... i can't get to a server called ftp.diy-efi.org but i can get to diy-efi.org i was able to get the file from ftp://diy-efi.org/pub/diy_efi/project_files/diy-wb.zip > Is the link to the ftp site broken, or is it my browser?? Looking for the > WB info. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 00:11:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA08590 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:11:31 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08572; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:09:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00296; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:23:05 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B7A20D5.16B03EC@techedge.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:12:21 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, gmecm@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Australian NTK/NGK sensor purchase References: <3B79B87B.1E7F9B3F@techedge.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I've had a few people interested in getting the sensor with the DIY-WB board - I'm expecting AU$240 delivered to Australia per sensor. I'm going to do a group purchase some time next week, so contact me before 20th Aug if you want to be in on it. I can accept Mastercard/Visa payment. OTOH, if you've got some local contact(s) that can do it for the same price or less, for 5 or more sensor, then contact me too, I'd prefer to keep the money IN Australia! And remember, this is a DIY, non-profit, noncommercial purchase (I'll organise the purchase if someone has a better price but otherwise doesn't want to get involved). The sensor is from a non-Californian US model Honda Civic VX, 1992-1995, part # 36531-P07-003 - This part is listed locally and the best price I've negotiated (one phone call, in Canberra) is AU$310, so a US purchase is $70 less (plus freight costs). This part is available from The Parts Bin (but not as I write this - they are out of stock - ETA 10 days) as [a Bosch] sensor for US$117: http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/partsbin/quote.jsp?product=36531-P07-003&Submit=GO&partner=partsbin&action=search&cart=&partnerSession=++&usemake= And from NAPA Online as [an Echlin] sensor OS791 for US$139 (Napa Online fails the "friendly web site" award): http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/NAPAonline/adv_search_rslt2.d2w/report?part_number=os791&Search_Part=YES I couldn't navigate to a genuine Honda part, but it'll be a lot more (sorry Honda, your site also sucks WRT actual useful content/information)! Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 00:55:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA08889 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:55:52 -0700 Received: from smtp02.iprimus.net.au (www02.pod02.corp.iprimus.net.au [203.134.65.107]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08885 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:55:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host www02.pod02.corp.iprimus.net.au [203.134.65.107] claimed to be smtp02.iprimus.net.au Received: from ajasonm ([210.50.104.245]) by smtp02.iprimus.net.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3571); Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:55:28 +1000 Message-ID: <00a101c1255f$d70da100$f56832d2@ajasonm> From: "Daniel" To: References: <3B79B87B.1E7F9B3F@techedge.com.au> <3B7A20D5.16B03EC@techedge.com.au> Subject: Re: Australian NTK/NGK sensor purchase Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:56:49 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2001 07:55:29.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6E30060:01C1255F] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Count me in on a sensor too please Peter Email when you require card details While you are at it whats the chances of a group purchase for the components etc as a kit ? Daniel Collins bossute@iprimus.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Gargano" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Australian NTK/NGK sensor purchase > I've had a few people interested in getting the sensor with > the DIY-WB board - I'm expecting AU$240 delivered to Australia > per sensor. I'm going to do a group purchase some time next week, > so contact me before 20th Aug if you want to be in on it. I can > accept Mastercard/Visa payment. > > OTOH, if you've got some local contact(s) that can do it for the > same price or less, for 5 or more sensor, then contact me too, > I'd prefer to keep the money IN Australia! And remember, this is > a DIY, non-profit, noncommercial purchase (I'll organise the > purchase if someone has a better price but otherwise doesn't want > to get involved). > > The sensor is from a non-Californian US model Honda Civic VX, > 1992-1995, part # 36531-P07-003 - This part is listed locally > and the best price I've negotiated (one phone call, in Canberra) > is AU$310, so a US purchase is $70 less (plus freight costs). > > This part is available from The Parts Bin (but not as I write > this - they are out of stock - ETA 10 days) as [a Bosch] sensor > for US$117: > > http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/partsbin/quote.jsp?product=36531-P07-00 3&Submit=GO&partner=partsbin&action=search&cart=&partnerSession=++&usemake= > > And from NAPA Online as [an Echlin] sensor OS791 for US$139 > (Napa Online fails the "friendly web site" award): > > http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/NAPAonline/adv_search _rslt2.d2w/report?part_number=os791&Search_Part=YES > > I couldn't navigate to a genuine Honda part, but it'll be > a lot more (sorry Honda, your site also sucks WRT actual > useful content/information)! > > Peter. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 01:31:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA09248 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:31:17 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA09234 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:31:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA00302 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:44:40 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B7A33F3.A7CEF7BF@techedge.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:33:55 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Australian NTK/NGK sensor purchase References: <3B79B87B.1E7F9B3F@techedge.com.au> <3B7A20D5.16B03EC@techedge.com.au> <00a101c1255f$d70da100$f56832d2@ajasonm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Daniel wrote: > > While you are at it whats the chances of a group purchase for the components > etc as a kit ? I need to do some local pricing, so, let me think about it ... mailto:wideband@techedge.com.au?subject=Order Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 01:33:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA09266 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:33:24 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA09262 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:33:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA00329 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:46:53 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B7A3479.1ED10D03@techedge.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:36:09 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Orcad --> Protel? References: <3B79B87B.1E7F9B3F@techedge.com.au> <3B7A20D5.16B03EC@techedge.com.au> <00a101c1255f$d70da100$f56832d2@ajasonm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Anyone familiar with the 30 day trial Protel-99 version? Can it import Orcad stuff successfully? Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 02:01:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id CAA09555 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:01:51 -0700 Received: from warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id CAA09550 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:01:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [212.159.14.227] claimed to be warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net Received: (qmail 17616 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2001 09:01:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO leslie) (212.159.22.140) by warrior with SMTP; 15 Aug 2001 09:01:04 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c123d6$173afd80$8c169fd4@leslie> From: "Les Newell" To: References: <200108110800.BAA04532@hektor.valesh.com> <001001c124cb$8d5678a0$da731d3f@6b6fn01> Subject: Re: Ignition Current Limit Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:42:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Most car ignitions are still inductive. CDI tends to cause too much radiated interference and also does not seem to fire fouled plugs as well. Primary current is usually controlled in two ways: either by directly measuring the current and altering the dwell time to suit or by using a fixed dwell time (not dwell angle) that does not allow the coil to saturate. With the second method the dwell time is sometimes adjusted depending on battery voltage. Les > Hi All; > > Does anyone know how the auto manufacturers handle ignition? Are most of the > systems still inductive in nature or CDI? If inductive, how do they handle > current regulation through the primary coil? Also, do any of the igniters > out there (Bosch for example) regulate current or are they simply a potted > transistor. Thanks in advance. > > Brian > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 05:21:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA10436 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:21:29 -0700 Received: from warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id FAA10432 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:21:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [212.159.14.227] claimed to be warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net Received: (qmail 20551 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2001 12:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO leslie) (212.159.22.226) by warrior with SMTP; 15 Aug 2001 12:20:45 -0000 Message-ID: <00a301c123f1$fc874ae0$8c169fd4@leslie> From: "Les Newell" To: References: <3B79B87B.1E7F9B3F@techedge.com.au> <3B7A20D5.16B03EC@techedge.com.au> <00a101c1255f$d70da100$f56832d2@ajasonm> <3B7A3479.1ED10D03@techedge.com.au> Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:24:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org It seems to do a reasonable job of importing Orcad designs but be warned Protel needs a 100Ghz machine with 1G memory (or maybe a Cray2) to run at a sensible speed. Otherwise be prepared to spend quite a lot of time waiting for things to happen! Protel also has a tendency to crash on a fairly regular basis. Les > Anyone familiar with the 30 day trial Protel-99 version? > > Can it import Orcad stuff successfully? > > Peter > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 05:50:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA10609 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:50:14 -0700 Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com ([199.74.158.61]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA10605; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:50:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [199.74.158.61] claimed to be mail.verizonwireless.com Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com by mail.verizonwireless.com (414/1100) with ESMTP id f7FCcO726115; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqbedigwy2.corp.bam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Flanagan, Steve" To: "'gmecm@diy-efi.org'" Cc: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: Kits for WBO2 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:47:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Would there be any big savings by organizing a group buy for the 02 Sensors. I assume there could be a nice savings when ordered in quantity. The guys on the other side of the world are ordering them in quantity and looks like they are getting them for $70 US. Does anyone have any price info on what the sensor could be bought for in quantity? Steve F -----Original Message----- From: Steven Ciciora [mailto:ciciora@Ciciora.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 2:28 PM To: gmecm@diy-efi.org Cc: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Kits for WBO2 I'll put together several kits. I won't even ask for any pre-payment, 'cause there is a good chance I have a significant fraction of the parts on hand. I won't commit to how many until I get a PCB in my hand. For example, I have 3,000 0.1uF caps, but with 0.1" lead spacing. If the PCB has 0.1" lead spacing, I can provide these caps really cheap. Otherwise, if the leadspacing is 0.2", there is a good chance we would be better off just buying them. I would like to know how many PCBs were made. I would feel confortable making at least 1/2 that many parts kits available without pre-payment. - Steve On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, rr wrote: > > Folks, it would be a good thing if someone were to put > a parts kit together. This would help out a lot of folks. > > However, this needs to be done by someone who doesn't > have dollar signs in their eyes. Notice the PCB price is > not a nice round number. The reason is that is what the > boards cost, period. We could have easily charged many > times what was actually paid for the boards. > > The return for helping out is multi-faceted. There is also > the recognition amongst your peers. You become part of the > DIY-WB team. This is not a money making venture. It is a > hobby. > > Thank you, > > BobR. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from gmecm, send "unsubscribe gmecm" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from gmecm, send "unsubscribe gmecm" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 05:55:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA10662 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:55:28 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA10658 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:55:22 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.12]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010815125505.XGUY333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:55:05 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01c006b8$0ecf7540$0c258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: Kits for WBO2 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:55:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org $70US, where?. Best price I've seen lately is $139. So far hasn't been any retailer willing to discount for a group purchase that I've found or heard of. Bruce From: "Flanagan, Steve" Subject: RE: Kits for WBO2 > Would there be any big savings by organizing a group buy for the 02 Sensors. > I assume there could be a nice savings when ordered in quantity. > The guys on the other side of the world are ordering them in quantity and > looks > like they are getting them for $70 US. > Does anyone have any price info on what the sensor could be bought for in > quantity? > Steve F ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 06:13:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA11015 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:13:18 -0700 Received: from web10007.mail.yahoo.com (web10007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.43]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id GAA11009 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:13:08 -0700 Message-ID: <20010815131307.642.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.160.5.121] by web10007.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:13:07 PDT Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:13:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: <00a301c123f1$fc874ae0$8c169fd4@leslie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I know I'm a little late to the party but is there any need for layout help on the DIY-WB? I have access to OrCAD and PADS and some experience with layout. As for cheap layout tools your best bet is the limited version of Eagle. Or ExpressPCB but that tool is pretty limited and it doesn't import netlists from schematics. -Matt --- Les Newell wrote: > It seems to do a reasonable job of importing Orcad > designs but be warned > Protel needs a 100Ghz machine with 1G memory (or > maybe a Cray2) to run at a > sensible speed. Otherwise be prepared to spend quite > a lot of time waiting > for things to happen! Protel also has a tendency to > crash on a fairly > regular basis. > > Les > > > > Anyone familiar with the 30 day trial Protel-99 > version? > > > > Can it import Orcad stuff successfully? > > > > Peter > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe > diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe > diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 06:17:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA11145 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:17:31 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA11133 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:16:19 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8 [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23754 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30718 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:16:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7A7612.52DB862B@adams.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:16:02 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Kits for WBO2 References: <004d01c006b8$0ecf7540$0c258fd1@bruce> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bruce wrote: > > $70US, where?. > Best price I've seen lately is $139. > So far hasn't been any retailer willing to discount for a group purchase > that I've found or heard of. > Bruce I think Steve misinterpreted Peter Gargano's quoted price comments: > > The sensor is from a non-Californian US model Honda Civic VX, > 1992-1995, part # 36531-P07-003 - This part is listed locally > and the best price I've negotiated (one phone call, in Canberra) > is AU$310, so a US purchase is $70 less (plus freight costs). > > This part is available from The Parts Bin (but not as I write > this - they are out of stock - ETA 10 days) as [a Bosch] sensor > for US$117: > > http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/partsbin/quote.jsp?product=36531-P07-003&Submit=GO&partner=partsbin&action=search&cart=&partnerSession=++&usemake= > Not an absolute price of US$70, rather our price is $70 below their's. The US$117 is the best I've seen, but it appears to be vaporware right now. -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 06:24:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA11296 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:24:31 -0700 Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com ([199.74.158.61]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA11283; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:24:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [199.74.158.61] claimed to be mail.verizonwireless.com Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com by mail.verizonwireless.com (414/1100) with ESMTP id f7FDCB719384; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqbedigwy1.corp.bam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:18:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Flanagan, Steve" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" , "'gmecm@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: Kits for WBO2 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:21:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org ----Original Message----- From: Bruce [mailto:nacelp@bright.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:55 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Kits for WBO2 $70US, where?. [ BRUCE: READ POST BELOW FROM PETER, HE MENTIONS THE $70 US] Best price I've seen lately is $139. So far hasn't been any retailer willing to discount for a group purchase that I've found or heard of. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Peter Gargano [mailto:peter@techedge.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:12 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org; gmecm@diy-efi.org Subject: Sensor purchase and Australian NTK/NGK sensor purchase I've had a few people interested in getting the sensor with the DIY-WB board - I'm expecting AU$240 delivered to Australia per sensor. I'm going to do a group purchase some time next week, so contact me before 20th Aug if you want to be in on it. I can accept Mastercard/Visa payment. OTOH, if you've got some local contact(s) that can do it for the same price or less, for 5 or more sensor, then contact me too, I'd prefer to keep the money IN Australia! And remember, this is a DIY, non-profit, noncommercial purchase (I'll organise the purchase if someone has a better price but otherwise doesn't want to get involved). The sensor is from a non-Californian US model Honda Civic VX, 1992-1995, part # 36531-P07-003 - This part is listed locally and the best price I've negotiated (one phone call, in Canberra) is AU$310, so a US purchase is $70 less (plus freight costs). This part is available from The Parts Bin (but not as I write this - they are out of stock - ETA 10 days) as [a Bosch] sensor for US$117: http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/partsbin/quote.jsp?product=36531-P07-00 3&Submit=GO&partner=partsbin&action=search&cart=&partnerSession=++&usemake= And from NAPA Online as [an Echlin] sensor OS791 for US$139 (Napa Online fails the "friendly web site" award): http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/NAPAonline/adv_search _rslt2.d2w/report?part_number=os791&Search_Part=YES - From: "Flanagan, Steve" Subject: RE: Kits for WBO2 > Would there be any big savings by organizing a group buy for the 02 Sensors. > I assume there could be a nice savings when ordered in quantity. > The guys on the other side of the world are ordering them in quantity and > looks > like they are getting them for $70 US. > Does anyone have any price info on what the sensor could be bought for in > quantity? > Steve F ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 06:36:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA11546 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:36:13 -0700 Received: from dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id GAA11540 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:36:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 82809 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2001 13:36:03 -0000 Received: from dnvrdslgw13poolc35.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO jessqrp) (63.228.82.35) by dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2001 13:36:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:30:30 -0600 Message-ID: <007d01c1258e$746bf360$0200a8c0@qwest.net> From: "Jess Gypin" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org References: <20010815131307.642.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Which file in the zip file contains the PCB layout? The .prt file? Jess ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Henson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:13 AM Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? > I know I'm a little late to the party but is there any > need for layout help on the DIY-WB? I have access to > OrCAD and PADS and some experience with layout. > > As for cheap layout tools your best bet is the limited > version of Eagle. Or ExpressPCB but that tool is > pretty limited and it doesn't import netlists from > schematics. > -Matt > > --- Les Newell wrote: > > It seems to do a reasonable job of importing Orcad > > designs but be warned > > Protel needs a 100Ghz machine with 1G memory (or > > maybe a Cray2) to run at a > > sensible speed. Otherwise be prepared to spend quite > > a lot of time waiting > > for things to happen! Protel also has a tendency to > > crash on a fairly > > regular basis. > > > > Les > > > > > > > Anyone familiar with the 30 day trial Protel-99 > > version? > > > > > > Can it import Orcad stuff successfully? > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe > > diy_efi" (without the > > quotes) > > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe > > diy_efi" (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 07:10:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA12088 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:10:26 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA12084 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:10:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8 [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28836 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04110 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:10:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7A82C9.73ACF75B@adams.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:10:17 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Non EFI, sort of. References: <20010814151630.78730.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Phil Hunter wrote: > > Eric Fahlgren wrote: > [snip] > > > The ducting from the air box to the turbo inlet > > should have very low vacuum (< 1 inch Hg), so it > > need not be that rigid. > > Don't forget Bernoulli, high speed air inside the > tubing w/ static air pressure outside, I've heard > of even aluminum dryer vent ducting collapsing. Phil, I wish you wouldn't do this to me. I just had to figure out how much vacuum Bernoulli caused, so here ya go. It's not too much, unless your pipe is too small. Any aero guys on the list that can give us some insight on velocities and roughness? http://members.home.net/pfahlgren/cars/turbo/velocity.html (One missing piece is the use of the input temperature to change rho for the Bernoulli computations; temp is used for the Reynolds number.) Eric -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 07:11:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA12126 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:11:56 -0700 Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA12120 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:11:48 -0700 Received: from electron ([24.3.251.94]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010815141133.EJCT12473.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@electron> for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:11:33 -0700 Message-ID: <005f01c12594$355d9ec0$0500a8c0@intranet.inductionindustries.com> From: "Jeff Bromberger" To: References: Subject: Re: Kits for WBO2 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:11:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I don't follow the part about the sensor being a bosch... i thought we needed the 5-wire NTK for this? and i thought that's what came in the hondas... are the two sensors compatible? even if they are, aren't the NTK's faster responding sensors? > > This part is available from The Parts Bin (but not as I write > this - they are out of stock - ETA 10 days) as [a Bosch] sensor > for US$117: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 07:51:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA12563 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:51:52 -0700 Received: from smtp3.ihug.com.au (smtp3.ihug.com.au [203.109.250.76]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA12557 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:51:44 -0700 Received: from injec.com (p396-tnt2.mel.ihug.com.au [203.173.165.142]) by smtp3.ihug.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA27471 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:51:09 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p396-tnt2.mel.ihug.com.au [203.173.165.142] claimed to be injec.com Message-ID: <3B7A8C2D.27F23D7F@injec.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:50:21 +1000 From: Phil Lamovie Organization: Injec Racing Developments X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Australian NTK/NGK sensor purchase References: <3B79B87B.1E7F9B3F@techedge.com.au> <3B7A20D5.16B03EC@techedge.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi Peter, Check with Motec they are using the same sensor for their new wideband display and are retailing them at about $240 or so per each. The bulk order may cut some mustard with them. phil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 08:50:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA12916 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:50:41 -0700 Received: from smtp2.home.se (smtp2.home.se [195.66.35.201]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA12912 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:50:33 -0700 Received: from jurg2kpro [212.75.66.72] by smtp2.home.se with Novonyx SMTP Server $Revision: 2.74 $; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:46:11 +0200 (ECTD) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rgen_Karlsson?= To: Subject: RE: Kits for WBO2 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:56:21 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Steve, read it again. It is $70 less then the Australian quote. Jörgen > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Flanagan, Steve > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:22 PM > To: 'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'; 'gmecm@diy-efi.org' > Subject: RE: Kits for WBO2 > > > ----Original Message----- > From: Bruce [mailto:nacelp@bright.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:55 AM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: Kits for WBO2 > > $70US, where?. > > [ BRUCE: READ POST BELOW FROM PETER, HE MENTIONS THE $70 US] > > Best price I've seen lately is $139. > So far hasn't been any retailer willing to discount for a group purchase > that I've found or heard of. > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Gargano [mailto:peter@techedge.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:12 AM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org; gmecm@diy-efi.org > Subject: Sensor purchase and Australian NTK/NGK sensor purchase > > I've had a few people interested in getting the sensor with > the DIY-WB board - I'm expecting AU$240 delivered to Australia > per sensor. I'm going to do a group purchase some time next week, > so contact me before 20th Aug if you want to be in on it. I can > accept Mastercard/Visa payment. > > OTOH, if you've got some local contact(s) that can do it for the > same price or less, for 5 or more sensor, then contact me too, > I'd prefer to keep the money IN Australia! And remember, this is > a DIY, non-profit, noncommercial purchase (I'll organise the > purchase if someone has a better price but otherwise doesn't want > to get involved). > > The sensor is from a non-Californian US model Honda Civic VX, > 1992-1995, part # 36531-P07-003 - This part is listed locally > and the best price I've negotiated (one phone call, in Canberra) > is AU$310, so a US purchase is $70 less (plus freight costs). > > This part is available from The Parts Bin (but not as I write > this - they are out of stock - ETA 10 days) as [a Bosch] sensor > for US$117: > > http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/partsbin/quote.jsp?product=36 531-P07-00 3&Submit=GO&partner=partsbin&action=search&cart=&partnerSession=++&usemake= And from NAPA Online as [an Echlin] sensor OS791 for US$139 (Napa Online fails the "friendly web site" award): http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/NAPAonline/adv_search _rslt2.d2w/report?part_number=os791&Search_Part=YES - From: "Flanagan, Steve" Subject: RE: Kits for WBO2 > Would there be any big savings by organizing a group buy for the 02 Sensors. > I assume there could be a nice savings when ordered in quantity. > The guys on the other side of the world are ordering them in quantity and > looks > like they are getting them for $70 US. > Does anyone have any price info on what the sensor could be bought for in > quantity? > Steve F ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 08:54:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA12962 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:54:51 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA12958 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:54:45 -0700 Received: from [216.107.54.110] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 29399720 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:54:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7A9B56.742031A9@nni.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:55:02 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? References: <20010815131307.642.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> <007d01c1258e$746bf360$0200a8c0@qwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org There isn't a layout included in the package. That was a mis-communication. The .prt file is the parts list. Are you really interested in a layout with PCBs so cheap? BobR. Jess Gypin wrote: > Which file in the zip file contains the PCB layout? The .prt file? > > Jess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Henson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:13 AM > Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? > > > I know I'm a little late to the party but is there any > > need for layout help on the DIY-WB? I have access to > > OrCAD and PADS and some experience with layout. > > > > As for cheap layout tools your best bet is the limited > > version of Eagle. Or ExpressPCB but that tool is > > pretty limited and it doesn't import netlists from > > schematics. > > -Matt > > > > --- Les Newell wrote: > > > It seems to do a reasonable job of importing Orcad > > > designs but be warned > > > Protel needs a 100Ghz machine with 1G memory (or > > > maybe a Cray2) to run at a > > > sensible speed. Otherwise be prepared to spend quite > > > a lot of time waiting > > > for things to happen! Protel also has a tendency to > > > crash on a fairly > > > regular basis. > > > > > > Les > > > > > > > > > > Anyone familiar with the 30 day trial Protel-99 > > > version? > > > > > > > > Can it import Orcad stuff successfully? > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 09:36:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA13425 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:36:23 -0700 Received: from dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA13416 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:36:13 -0700 Received: (qmail 99363 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2001 16:36:03 -0000 Received: from dnvrdslgw13poolc35.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO jessqrp) (63.228.82.35) by dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2001 16:36:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:27:12 -0600 Message-ID: <002101c125a7$24d094a0$0200a8c0@qwest.net> From: "Jess Gypin" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org References: <20010815131307.642.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> <007d01c1258e$746bf360$0200a8c0@qwest.net> <3B7A9B56.742031A9@nni.com> Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Not really. I was just wanting to see the board layout. I am happy to just wait on the boards. Jess ----- Original Message ----- From: "rr" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? > > There isn't a layout included in the package. That was a > mis-communication. The .prt file is the parts list. Are you > really interested in a layout with PCBs so cheap? > > BobR. > > Jess Gypin wrote: > > > Which file in the zip file contains the PCB layout? The .prt file? > > > > Jess > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matt Henson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:13 AM > > Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? > > > > > I know I'm a little late to the party but is there any > > > need for layout help on the DIY-WB? I have access to > > > OrCAD and PADS and some experience with layout. > > > > > > As for cheap layout tools your best bet is the limited > > > version of Eagle. Or ExpressPCB but that tool is > > > pretty limited and it doesn't import netlists from > > > schematics. > > > -Matt > > > > > > --- Les Newell wrote: > > > > It seems to do a reasonable job of importing Orcad > > > > designs but be warned > > > > Protel needs a 100Ghz machine with 1G memory (or > > > > maybe a Cray2) to run at a > > > > sensible speed. Otherwise be prepared to spend quite > > > > a lot of time waiting > > > > for things to happen! Protel also has a tendency to > > > > crash on a fairly > > > > regular basis. > > > > > > > > Les > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone familiar with the 30 day trial Protel-99 > > > > version? > > > > > > > > > > Can it import Orcad stuff successfully? > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 12:00:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA14105 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:00:18 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14101 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:00:03 -0700 Received: from [216.107.54.252] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 29420596 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7AC6D7.CD0F4065@nni.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:00:39 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? References: <20010815131307.642.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> <007d01c1258e$746bf360$0200a8c0@qwest.net> <3B7A9B56.742031A9@nni.com> <002101c125a7$24d094a0$0200a8c0@qwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Ah, someone else asked about this also. I dropped a scan of a built board on incoming: DIY-WB0.jpg (sorry about the mixed case). This is the board mounted to the box lid with the heater current limiting resistor visable on hte lid. The LT1086 is mounted to the lid under the board. Heater-on LED is still on the board. Will be moved to the through-hole in the lid. Second hole in lid is for a power on indicator. (Using a 1K resistor to B+ for powering it). The wires will go to a through style terminal strip mounted on outside of box. BobR. Jess Gypin wrote: > Not really. I was just wanting to see the board layout. I am happy to just > wait on the boards. > > Jess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rr" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? > > > > > There isn't a layout included in the package. That was a > > mis-communication. The .prt file is the parts list. Are you > > really interested in a layout with PCBs so cheap? > > > > BobR. > > > > Jess Gypin wrote: > > > > > Which file in the zip file contains the PCB layout? The .prt file? > > > > > > Jess > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matt Henson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? > > > > > > > I know I'm a little late to the party but is there any > > > > need for layout help on the DIY-WB? I have access to > > > > OrCAD and PADS and some experience with layout. > > > > > > > > As for cheap layout tools your best bet is the limited > > > > version of Eagle. Or ExpressPCB but that tool is > > > > pretty limited and it doesn't import netlists from > > > > schematics. > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > --- Les Newell wrote: > > > > > It seems to do a reasonable job of importing Orcad > > > > > designs but be warned > > > > > Protel needs a 100Ghz machine with 1G memory (or > > > > > maybe a Cray2) to run at a > > > > > sensible speed. Otherwise be prepared to spend quite > > > > > a lot of time waiting > > > > > for things to happen! Protel also has a tendency to > > > > > crash on a fairly > > > > > regular basis. > > > > > > > > > > Les > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone familiar with the 30 day trial Protel-99 > > > > > version? > > > > > > > > > > > > Can it import Orcad stuff successfully? > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 12:30:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA14318 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:30:35 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA14314 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:30:28 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id OAA15804; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:30:27 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma015802; Wed, 15 Aug 01 14:29:51 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19257 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:29:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B7ACCBB.41FF5578@arm.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:25:47 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Orcad --> Protel? References: <20010815131307.642.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> <007d01c1258e$746bf360$0200a8c0@qwest.net> <3B7A9B56.742031A9@nni.com> <002101c125a7$24d094a0$0200a8c0@qwest.net> <3B7AC6D7.CD0F4065@nni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org rr wrote: > > Ah, someone else asked about this also. I dropped a scan > of a built board on incoming: DIY-WB0.jpg (sorry about > the mixed case). I added this to the diy-wb.zip file. --steve -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 12:37:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA14379 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:37:59 -0700 Received: from ns3.cybersol.com (ns3.cybersol.com [209.172.21.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14372 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:37:48 -0700 Received: from alfred (unverified [209.172.23.7]) by ns3.cybersol.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:36:45 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20010815130339.006b9ed8@smtp.cybersol.com> X-Sender: btisdale@smtp.cybersol.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:03:39 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Barry Tisdale Subject: Re: Kits for WBO2 In-Reply-To: <005f01c12594$355d9ec0$0500a8c0@intranet.inductionindustrie s.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org What you'll get is the NTK sensor in the Bosch box - I don't pretend to know how corporate funny business like this works..... Barry At 09:11 AM 8/15/01 -0500, you wrote: >I don't follow the part about the sensor being a bosch... i thought we >needed the 5-wire NTK for this? and i thought that's what came in the >hondas... are the two sensors compatible? even if they are, aren't the >NTK's faster responding sensors? > >> >> This part is available from The Parts Bin (but not as I write >> this - they are out of stock - ETA 10 days) as [a Bosch] sensor >> for US$117: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 13:24:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA14975 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:24:45 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14971 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:24:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA00093 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:38:10 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B7ADB26.1A0BC333@techedge.com.au> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:27:18 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Australian NTK/NGK sensor purchase References: <3B79B87B.1E7F9B3F@techedge.com.au> <3B7A20D5.16B03EC@techedge.com.au> <3B7A8C2D.27F23D7F@injec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org M&W Ignitions use the NTK sensor in their (new) WB. Phil Lamovie wrote: > > Check with Motec they are using the same sensor for their new wideband I understood that MoTec used the LSM11, but I guess I'll check during business hours (I believe an LSM11 is Bosch # 0 258 104 002 (2.5 m leads), or 0 258 104 004 (0.65 m leads). Of course, equating a Bosch part number with a "product name" is another problem too 8^( case in point - the confusion with Bosch, Echlin, etc. rebadging the DIY-WB NTK sensor (NGK is the NTK parent co.) > display and are retailing them at about $240 or so per each. For me, the total cost is the deciding factor - how much is that for a MoTec - even if we're not quite comparing apples? > The bulk order may cut some mustard with them. Well, a $385 -> $310 price drop (all AU$'s folks) when I spoke about getting 5 - 10, without any haggling, means there's some fat in the margins some (most?) spare parts places work on. Note that AU$310 is ~US$158 (@AU$0.51 to US$), so, the one-off The Parts Bin price of US$117 is US$41 less than the local price, and with a bit of freight thrown in on a bulk order, I figure that's still AU$70 less than I get it here in Canberra. Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 14:06:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA15314 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:06:47 -0700 Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com ([199.74.158.61]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA15309 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:06:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [199.74.158.61] claimed to be mail.verizonwireless.com Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com by mail.verizonwireless.com (414/1100) with ESMTP id f7FKsl725689 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqbedigwy1.corp.bam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:00:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Flanagan, Steve" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: WBO2 sensor clarification Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:04:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Could some who has been through the ringer already with a successful purchase of the WBO2 sensor lay out all the choices and lessons learned (what not to buy) I just got off the phone with www.thepartsbin.com and the tried to look up the Bosch #13246, they could not look it up, that is the short number. This is what I have found out: 1) thepartsbin: has the Honda 92-95 Civic #36531-P07-003 for $122 (however, stated it looks like a 4 wire sensor in the picture) 2) www.hparts.com: has the Honda 92-95 Civic #36531-P07-003 for $219 3) Napa has the ECHOS791 Napa Echlin Oxygen Sensor for $139, do not know if this is the correct sensor. 4) NAPA: could not find the Beck Arnley BA1564015 on the web site, did not have time to call yet Here are some other questions: I think the sensor needed for the project is the 5 Wire WB02 sensor, does this mean that the 4 Wire honda sensor described above is not the correct part? or did the picture just not show correctly? Back in the day there was mention of other 5 Wire sensors that had special calibration resistors built in (basically a feature some of the EFI manufactures put in so you had to buy their special 02 sensor - at a premium price). Is there anything here we have to look out for? Does anyone know temperature limits of these sensors? Some applications that I know of require temps in the area of 1650 - 1850 deg F. Long Live DIY-WB02. Steve F -----Original Message----- From: Barry Tisdale [mailto:btisdale@cybersol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:04 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Kits for WBO2 What you'll get is the NTK sensor in the Bosch box - I don't pretend to know how corporate funny business like this works..... Barry At 09:11 AM 8/15/01 -0500, you wrote: >I don't follow the part about the sensor being a bosch... i thought we >needed the 5-wire NTK for this? and i thought that's what came in the >hondas... are the two sensors compatible? even if they are, aren't the >NTK's faster responding sensors? > >> >> This part is available from The Parts Bin (but not as I write >> this - they are out of stock - ETA 10 days) as [a Bosch] sensor >> for US$117: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 14:22:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA15458 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:22:17 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA15453 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:22:10 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.128]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010815212208.CNYI29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: <010e01c006fe$e4dca860$800ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: WBO2 sensor clarification Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:22:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Last month I bought a NAPA OS791, it is the right sensor. While the guys in AU may have to chase around, for the USA guys this is what you want, and the best price, that I know of, and I've been keeping an eye on them for oh about 2+ years now. Bruce > 3) Napa has the ECHOS791 Napa Echlin Oxygen Sensor for $139, do not know if > this is the correct sensor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 15:13:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA15932 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:13:41 -0700 Received: from albqpop1.albq.uswest.net (albqpop1.albq.uswest.net [207.108.240.1]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA15927 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:13:34 -0700 From: syko@nmia.com Received: (qmail 79097 invoked by alias); 15 Aug 2001 22:10:18 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-diy_efi@diy-efi.org@fixme Received: (qmail 74661 invoked by uid 0); 15 Aug 2001 22:08:21 -0000 Received: from dialupf123.albq.uswest.net (HELO ?192.168.0.69?) (209.181.118.186) by albqpop1.albq.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 Aug 2001 22:08:21 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: syko@pop.nmia.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:07:52 -0600 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: WBO2 sensor clarification Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From thepartsbin.com you want the Vehicle: 1992 Honda Civic 1.5 VX 3Dr O2 sensor. It HAS to be the VX model. I just checked and it's out of stock from them. John >Could some who has been through the ringer already with a successful >purchase of the WBO2 sensor lay out all the choices and lessons learned >(what not to buy) > >I just got off the phone with www.thepartsbin.com and the tried to look up >the Bosch #13246, they could not look it up, that is the short number. > >This is what I have found out: > >1) thepartsbin: has the Honda 92-95 Civic #36531-P07-003 for $122 (however, >stated it looks like a 4 wire sensor in the picture) > >2) www.hparts.com: has the Honda 92-95 Civic #36531-P07-003 for $219 > >3) Napa has the ECHOS791 Napa Echlin Oxygen Sensor for $139, do not know if >this is the correct sensor. > >4) NAPA: could not find the Beck Arnley BA1564015 on the web site, did not >have time to call yet > >Here are some other questions: > >I think the sensor needed for the project is the 5 Wire WB02 sensor, does >this mean that the 4 Wire honda sensor described above is not the correct >part? or did the picture just not show correctly? > >Back in the day there was mention of other 5 Wire sensors that had special >calibration resistors built in (basically a feature some of the EFI >manufactures put in so you had to buy their special 02 sensor - at a premium >price). Is there anything here we have to look out for? > >Does anyone know temperature limits of these sensors? Some applications >that I know of require temps in the area of 1650 - 1850 deg F. > >Long Live DIY-WB02. > >Steve F > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Barry Tisdale [mailto:btisdale@cybersol.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:04 PM >To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >Subject: Re: Kits for WBO2 > > >What you'll get is the NTK sensor in the Bosch box - I don't pretend to >know how corporate funny business like this works..... > >Barry > >At 09:11 AM 8/15/01 -0500, you wrote: >>I don't follow the part about the sensor being a bosch... i thought we >>needed the 5-wire NTK for this? and i thought that's what came in the >>hondas... are the two sensors compatible? even if they are, aren't the >>NTK's faster responding sensors? >> >>> >>> This part is available from The Parts Bin (but not as I write >>> this - they are out of stock - ETA 10 days) as [a Bosch] sensor >>> for US$117: > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 15:15:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA15986 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:15:21 -0700 Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA15965 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:14:59 -0700 Received: from int-nj2gw-3.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-3 [3.159.236.67]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id SAA27531 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nelaplige.light.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-3.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id SAA14093 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nelaplige.light.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:14:18 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cosby, Melvin C. (GEL, MSX)" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: WBO2 sensor clarification Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:14:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Just curious, do you remember what it cost 2 years ago? Thanks, Mel > Last month I bought a NAPA OS791, > it is the right sensor. > While the guys in AU may have to chase around, for the USA > guys this is what > you want, and the best price, that I know of, and I've been > keeping an eye > on them for oh about 2+ years now. > Bruce > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 15:24:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA16144 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:24:36 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA16138 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:24:29 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.128]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010815222428.EAON29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:24:28 -0400 Message-ID: <018001c00707$99d7dc00$800ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: WBO2 sensor clarification Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:24:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Has everyone just gone nuts with the reply keys?. We have 18 people asking the same questions, and now trivia pursuit. Folks, please take a deep breath, before hitting send or reply. And some of this doesn't need to be list traffic. Ordering boards is thru Peter or Bob. In the USA get the sensors from NAPA. It's just that simple. We don't have to try and set daily records for Bandwidth. Some day someone, might want to edit the archives, and stuff like this is just going to make the job all the more time consuming. NO replies needed, Thanks Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 15:46:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA16574 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:46:52 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA16569 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:46:45 -0700 Received: from [216.107.53.171] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 29448190 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:46:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7AFBFA.EC709E48@nni.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:47:22 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: WBO2 sensor clarification References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Flanagan, Steve wrote: > Could some who has been through the ringer already with a successful > purchase of the WBO2 sensor lay out all the choices and lessons learned > (what not to buy) > > I just got off the phone with www.thepartsbin.com and the tried to look up > the Bosch #13246, they could not look it up, that is the short number. > > This is what I have found out: > > 1) thepartsbin: has the Honda 92-95 Civic #36531-P07-003 for $122 (however, > stated it looks like a 4 wire sensor in the picture) > > 2) www.hparts.com: has the Honda 92-95 Civic #36531-P07-003 for $219 > Ding-ding -->> > > 3) Napa has the ECHOS791 Napa Echlin Oxygen Sensor for $139, do not know if > this is the correct sensor. That's the one. Five wires: Org, Yel, Wht, Red, Blk. BobR. > > > 4) NAPA: could not find the Beck Arnley BA1564015 on the web site, did not > have time to call yet > > Here are some other questions: > > I think the sensor needed for the project is the 5 Wire WB02 sensor, does > this mean that the 4 Wire honda sensor described above is not the correct > part? or did the picture just not show correctly? > > Back in the day there was mention of other 5 Wire sensors that had special > calibration resistors built in (basically a feature some of the EFI > manufactures put in so you had to buy their special 02 sensor - at a premium > price). Is there anything here we have to look out for? > > Does anyone know temperature limits of these sensors? Some applications > that I know of require temps in the area of 1650 - 1850 deg F. > > Long Live DIY-WB02. > > Steve F > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Tisdale [mailto:btisdale@cybersol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:04 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: Kits for WBO2 > > What you'll get is the NTK sensor in the Bosch box - I don't pretend to > know how corporate funny business like this works..... > > Barry > > At 09:11 AM 8/15/01 -0500, you wrote: > >I don't follow the part about the sensor being a bosch... i thought we > >needed the 5-wire NTK for this? and i thought that's what came in the > >hondas... are the two sensors compatible? even if they are, aren't the > >NTK's faster responding sensors? > > > >> > >> This part is available from The Parts Bin (but not as I write > >> this - they are out of stock - ETA 10 days) as [a Bosch] sensor > >> for US$117: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 15:55:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA16718 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:55:22 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA16704; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:55:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00274; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:08:31 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B7AFE76.21C6622D@techedge.com.au> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:57:58 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Narrow band sensor info on /incoming References: <3.0.1.32.20010815075137.006b76e4@smtp.cybersol.com> <001e01c12569$5cb9d180$8aa138cb@mtomlins> <3B79B87B.1E7F9B3F@techedge.com.au> <3B7A20D5.16B03EC@techedge.com.au> <3.0.1.32.20010815124438.006b9ed8@smtp.cybersol.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010815180101.00a9ea90@in.epix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I put some information into /incoming from a Nov. 1995 Silicon Chip ( http://www.siliconchip.com.au/ ) article by Julian Edgar that describes how a narrow band oxygen sensor works: ftp://ftp.diy-efi.org/incoming/nb_sensor.gif Julian Edgar is the editor of Auto Speed, an online magazine (by subscription) that covers Australian as well as imported cars. http://www.autospeed.com/ Julian was the former edit of Zoom magazine (paper). Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 17:17:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA17850 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:17:19 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA17823; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:15:36 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.59]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010816001535.GHQA29133.tiberius@bruce>; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:15:35 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c00717$0cdfa700$3b0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: , Subject: EFI POWWOW Dates Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 20:15:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org EFI POWWOW III, will be 10/22 and 23 Arcanum, OH 45304 Starts 9am, and ends at 10pm both days. Good Food in walking distance. Hotels in Dayton, about a 45 min drive away. Your on your own for food, and lodging. Refrig space for beverages, non alcoholic. No Smoking. No Kids. It's a guy thing .. I'm immune system supressed, so if your sick I have to know!!. No burnouts in town. My neighbors are my friends. If your allergic to cats, mine will be in the back room, but he normally rules the house.... All about EFI, and related stuff. Generally some neat toys show up. Figure on bringing a notebook. There can be several really good conversations going on at once. I always worry about not having enough stuff to look at and play with, but discussions usually take over, other then ****some**** chip burning, at the last one I think we had 6 laptops, running doing chips at one time. I've got all copies of all the prom editors, and most all the aftermarket software to look at. Not a hackers Ball, so don't even ask for copies of programs, like GMEPro, or Tunercat etc.. Hope to see ya here Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Aug 15 18:08:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA18881 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:08:04 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA18877; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:07:58 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.59]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010816010756.HJMS29133.tiberius@bruce>; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:07:56 -0400 Message-ID: <00f301c0071e$5d5c0960$3b0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: , References: <002201c00717$0cdfa700$3b0ac9d8@bruce> Subject: Re: EFI POWWOW Dates Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:07:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sept, sept, sept, 9/22 and 23rd NOT 10/22 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:15 PM Subject: EFI POWWOW Dates > > EFI POWWOW III, > will be 10/22 and 23 > Arcanum, OH 45304 > > Starts 9am, and ends at 10pm both days. > Good Food in walking distance. > Hotels in Dayton, about a 45 min drive away. > > Your on your own for food, and lodging. Refrig space for beverages, non > alcoholic. No Smoking. No Kids. It's a guy thing .. I'm immune > system supressed, so if your sick I have to know!!. No burnouts in town. > My neighbors are my friends. If your allergic to cats, mine will be in the > back room, but he normally rules the house.... > > All about EFI, and related stuff. Generally some neat toys show up. Figure > on bringing a notebook. There can be several really good conversations > going on at once. > > I always worry about not having enough stuff to look at and play with, but > discussions usually take over, other then ****some**** chip burning, at the > last one I think we had 6 laptops, running doing chips at one time. > > I've got all copies of all the prom editors, and most all the aftermarket > software to look at. > > Not a hackers Ball, so don't even ask for copies of programs, like GMEPro, > or Tunercat etc.. > > Hope to see ya here > Bruce > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 16 06:41:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA23900 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:41:16 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA23884; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:40:46 -0700 Received: from [206.99.139.8] (account ) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.4.6) with HTTP id 29527224; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:40:45 -0400 From: "rr" Subject: Test of DIY-WB To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi@diy-efi.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:40:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Had a chance to do some testing yesterday. Swapped out the perf-board prototype for the PCB version of the WB. Left the same sensor in the exhaust. Looking over the data logs it looks like the data between the two is the same (perf vs pcb). This is good. It looks like I didn't miss any traces! . Once some more are built I am hoping that they can be compared to some commercial units or cal gas. If anyone can do this it would be a good thing. Bruce Roe is working on a couple of add-ons for the DIY-WB. One being an LED bar-graph display. This will be nice for those that aren't data logging. Also some stuff to convert the WB signal into something usable for the NB ECM input. We'll release schematics of these and with enough interest may be making PCBs. As these won't require a lot of wiring it will be easy to manually wire also. BobR. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 16 07:53:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA32231 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:53:11 -0700 Received: from sbcsmtp2.sbc.com (sbcsmtp2.sbc.com [209.184.203.4]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA32207; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:52:25 -0700 Received: from sbc.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sbcsmtp2.sbc.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f7GEnPj13596; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:49:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from msgdalhub02.sbc.com (msgdalhub02.sbc.com [155.179.128.121]) by sbcsmtp2.sbc.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f7GEnHJ13547; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:49:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: by msgdalhub02.sbc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.52) id ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:51:44 -0500 Message-ID: <61AAD8396309D411942700508B647879044A9D78@msgdal03.sbc.com> From: "JANETSKY, ALBERT (AIT)" To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: V6 Vortec to V8 Vortec Conversion Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:51:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.52) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hello All... My name is Al Janetsky. I'm a Systems Engineer with a telecommunications organization... and for fun I'm converting a 1996 GMC Sonoma sportside equiped with the 4.3L Central Sequential Fuel Injected Vortec to a 5.7L V8 Vortec. I'm hoping to keep the truck streetable with occasional runs on Saturday nights at the local drag strip (for fun). The donor motor, wiring harness, and PCM is out of a 1998 3/4 ton GMC Sierra. I currently have the engine at Kendricks of San Antonio for my machine work. Modifications include porting and resurfacing the Vortech heads. An LT4 Hot cam package... 1.6 roller rockers, and upgraded valve springs. The specs on the cam are 218/228 at .525/.525 I plan to swap out the v6 pcm for the v8 pcm... (even though they are identical except for the programming). I plan to use the existing v6 wiring harness and run a few of the pinouts from the pcm to the fuel injector assembly. I've already traced the pinouts from the ecm to the injectors, and think that it will be a fairly straight forward swap. There are a couple of major concerns that I have regarding my project. First off - Does anyone think this cam is too large for my conversion. The vehicle should weigh in at about 3275 after the v8 is installed. Gearing on the vehicle is a 3.08 locker, and the transmission is a 5 sp New Venture 3500 that I just rebuilt. I know that I can give up some low end torque... and it looks like this cam will make gobs (in comparison to existing) of power way up in the rpm range. A computer program at the machine shop speced out about 330HP with the use of small tube headers and somewhere near the 400 ft/lbs of torque mark. I'm concerned that the PCM will not be able to handle all of the duration. Some other areas that I would like to address are the identification of the 98 OBD-II PCM and how I might be able to custom program the system to be more compatible with the modifications... (including tach, gearing, manaul trans, etc. etc.) I'm willing to spend time doing the research... but so far it appears that most of the information on the web is related to older efi systems. I've considered the hypertech solution... but to me, it's only a duct tape solution being that I can't fine tune the system to my needs. I'd really appreciate any information about the 98 pcm, communication protocols, etc that would get me started in the proper direction. Thankyou, Albert Janetsky aj5242@txmail.sbc.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 16 16:15:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA07084 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:15:26 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA07080 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:15:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00295 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:28:52 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B7C54B7.812A7E87@techedge.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:18:15 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Batch EFI on Siamesed Port Motors References: <003e01c11964$f1890f80$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm after thoughts on a practical problem of adding EFI to SOME vehicles with siamesed inlet ports of a certain configuration. A Mini has an IGN firing order of 3-4-2-1 (ie. 1-3-4-2) and inlet ports 1-2 and 3-4 are siamesed. If a single injector is used for ports 1-2 and another for 3-4, and a batch fire scheme is used, then, looking at the 1-2 siamesed port, that injector will fire during IGN events 3 and 4 and both the 1 and 2 sections of the siamesed ports will collect fuel equally (assuming a precisely placed injector) as neither cyl. 1 nor 2 inlet valves will be open. When inlet valve 2 opens, I'm thinking that some of the fuel that has accumulated for cyl 1 will be "stolen" by 2, and that cyl 1 will therefore not get as much accumulated fuel as 2. So, I'd expect cyl 1 and 4 will run lean compared with 2 and 3. I don't know how "bad" this effect is yet, but I know some have run a Mini with a GM two injector batch fire setup (1227165/808). Hopefully I can get some figures, with the DIY-WB hardware, that I can share. One partial way around this problem is to run a two bank (or a two cylinder SEFI) system, but I suspect that cylinders 1, 4 and 2, 4 actually have different volumetric efficiencies (VE) so that fueling will still be different between cylinders. Of course, this same problem exists for a carby setup too. Any practical thoughts for a solution while keeping the existing siamesed head? I had thought of having two VE tables - anyone seen this in practice? I'm sure it won't account for all running conditions though. Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 16 16:34:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA07378 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:34:44 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA07369 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:34:35 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.17]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010816233427.BIKO333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:34:27 -0400 Message-ID: <029001c007da$7ab7ba60$11258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <003e01c11964$f1890f80$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> <3B7C54B7.812A7E87@techedge.com.au> Subject: Re: Batch EFI on Siamesed Port Motors Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:34:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Shared port heads are just headaches, IMO. Do what just seems best and get on with it. I know SEFI, sounds so cool, but the basic mechanical configuration is so poor that you'll never really make up for it. Also depends if the manifold is a downer, or sider (). If your blowing the fuel onto the manifold floor, you deep in the woods anyway. Try for best atomization at low speed (TBI), and go from there. If a sider and high rpm then the port config would sound best. Plenum volume, injector placement, on something like that is going to be just compromises. Figure out where you want it to run, and take you hits in the off areas. Trying to compromise too much leaves you with nothing that is right. As I recall, weren't some using just a single 26mm choked single barrel of a 45 DCOE?. What size injectors can you even find for something that small (hmm, 975cc's?)?. A single TBI might not be a bad option. Bruce YMWV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Gargano" To: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Batch EFI on Siamesed Port Motors > I'm after thoughts on a practical problem of adding EFI to SOME > vehicles with siamesed inlet ports of a certain configuration. > > A Mini has an IGN firing order of 3-4-2-1 (ie. 1-3-4-2) and inlet > ports 1-2 and 3-4 are siamesed. If a single injector is used for > ports 1-2 and another for 3-4, and a batch fire scheme is used, > then, looking at the 1-2 siamesed port, that injector will fire > during IGN events 3 and 4 and both the 1 and 2 sections of the > siamesed ports will collect fuel equally (assuming a precisely placed > injector) as neither cyl. 1 nor 2 inlet valves will be open. When inlet > valve 2 opens, I'm thinking that some of the fuel that has accumulated > for cyl 1 will be "stolen" by 2, and that cyl 1 will therefore not get > as much accumulated fuel as 2. So, I'd expect cyl 1 and 4 will run lean > compared with 2 and 3. > > I don't know how "bad" this effect is yet, but I know some have run a > Mini with a GM two injector batch fire setup (1227165/808). Hopefully I > can get some figures, with the DIY-WB hardware, that I can share. > > One partial way around this problem is to run a two bank (or a > two cylinder SEFI) system, but I suspect that cylinders 1, 4 and 2, 4 > actually have different volumetric efficiencies (VE) so that fueling > will still be different between cylinders. Of course, this same > problem exists for a carby setup too. > > Any practical thoughts for a solution while keeping the existing > siamesed head? I had thought of having two VE tables - anyone seen > this in practice? I'm sure it won't account for all running conditions > though. > > Peter. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 16 16:36:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA07440 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:36:56 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA07435 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:36:49 -0700 Received: from [216.107.52.186] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 29591023 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:36:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7C5942.D85D3B0C@nni.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:37:38 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: [Fwd: Test of DIY-WB] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org [info forwarded from the gmecm list] Yes it should be paralleling R4. Only needs to be a 1/2W resistor. The value of this resistor will vary depending upon the real value of R4 and the desired warm-up time. The resistor R4 is the current sense resistor for maximum heater current. I tend to use easy to obtain parts and fudge from there. I've used a 10% tolerance resistor for R4 and then find it may need trimming. On the perf boarded unit I ended up with a 6.8 ohm across R4. For the PCB unit I just built I ended up using a 10 ohm resistor across R4. Both times I used a 10% 1 ohm main resistor (0.9 to 1.1 ohm) There is still some dispute as to what the absolute maximum current should be. On the low side of ~1.3A it has been found that the heater takes over 2 1/2 minutes to warm up. At that current it sometimes won't reach the 10.5 V limit required to enable the UEGO controller. In other words the sensor never reaches full temperature. Empirical evidence shows that warm up times of 30 to 45 seconds is common for WB units. In order to obtain this warm up time a higher heater current is required. Hence the trimmed current sense resistor. I try to shoot for a current of a little over 1.4A or ~40 seconds warm-up time from a cold sensor. BobR. Flanagan, Steve wrote: > I am confused why this will not affect the pre made board group. On that > board, don't you > have to still parallel the resistors? > > I do not see on the parts list the 6.8 Ohm resistor. Should we assume that > it is also a 5W resistor? > > Steve F > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian L Massey [mailto:blocklm@juno.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 1:54 PM > To: gmecm@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: Test of DIY-WB > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:40:45 -0400 "rr" writes: > > > > Had a chance to do some testing yesterday. Swapped out > > the perf-board prototype for the PCB version of the WB. > <.......> > > This is good. It looks like I didn't miss any traces! . > > This won't affect people who use the pre-made pc board, but since I'm > building to my own form-factor on perf, there seems to be a slight errata > needed on the diagram for the heater control. > > Bob, in your "Note:" on the right of the heater control drawing, it says > "parallel R1 w/6.8 ohm ...". Shouldn't that be *R4*? Just a nit really. > Tnx. > > Brian > > ________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 16 17:10:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08378 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:10:25 -0700 Received: from priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout4.telus.net [199.185.220.239]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08374 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:10:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host fepout4.telus.net [199.185.220.239] claimed to be priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net Received: from marcel-home.telusplanet.net ([142.179.194.222]) by priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20010817000927.OYQM1975.priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net@marcel-home.telusplanet.net>; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:09:27 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010816173307.00a9c3c0@pop.telusplanet.net> X-Sender: chichm@pop.telusplanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:43:21 -0600 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, From: marcel chichak Subject: Re: Batch EFI on Siamesed Port Motors In-Reply-To: <3B7C54B7.812A7E87@techedge.com.au> References: <003e01c11964$f1890f80$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 09:18 AM 17/08/2001 +1000, Peter Gargano wrote: >I'm after thoughts on a practical problem of adding EFI to SOME >vehicles with siamesed inlet ports of a certain configuration. > >A Mini has an IGN firing order of 3-4-2-1 (ie. 1-3-4-2) and inlet >ports 1-2 and 3-4 are siamesed. ... Peter, I'm running square on into this problem as we spEak. I've got the inlet manifold built and a DTA 'puter ready to go but I've been side tracked preparing the MK II Cortina for next year's rally season. How DTA suggest they can get around the problem is by running it as a 2 stroke, ie the injectors fire every crank revolution. I'm spEaking with a bloke in UK who's running into problems with his injected turbo Mini and through a bunch of thinking I may have solved the problem. I'm writing up a tech paper about it right now and all I need is a few minutes in the shop to get some fine details about how much 'stealing' the inside cylinders do. I *think* it can be made to work but essentially all the fuel has to go into the outside cylinders while the valve is open. Anything intended for that cylinder that is deposited in the port is eaten up by the inside cylinder. The inside cylinder charge is deposited partly in the port and partly down the valve as it opens. I've prepared illustrative valve timing diagrams and 3-D maps with a time domain ceiling under which the fuel map has to live. I might have all that together and up on my web page (below) by early next week. I'll also be sending it to DTA for their take on it. One of the key things I need is the size of injector used by the TPI Mini. No one has been able to come up with either a part number or a flow rate. I'll keep after it. Contact me off the list so we can chat about where you are with your project and maybe we can help each other? --Marcel Chichak chichm@telusplanet.net Edmonton Alberta Canada, eh? Peek into my world: www.planet.eon.net/~chichm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Aug 16 17:42:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA08378 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:10:25 -0700 Received: from priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (fepout4.telus.net [199.185.220.239]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA08374 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:10:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host fepout4.telus.net [199.185.220.239] claimed to be priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net Received: from marcel-home.telusplanet.net ([142.179.194.222]) by priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.10 201-229-121-110) with ESMTP id <20010817000927.OYQM1975.priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net@marcel-home.telusplanet.net>; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:09:27 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010816173307.00a9c3c0@pop.telusplanet.net> X-Sender: chichm@pop.telusplanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:43:21 -0600 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, From: marcel chichak Subject: Re: Batch EFI on Siamesed Port Motors In-Reply-To: <3B7C54B7.812A7E87@techedge.com.au> References: <003e01c11964$f1890f80$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 09:18 AM 17/08/2001 +1000, Peter Gargano wrote: >I'm after thoughts on a practical problem of adding EFI to SOME >vehicles with siamesed inlet ports of a certain configuration. > >A Mini has an IGN firing order of 3-4-2-1 (ie. 1-3-4-2) and inlet >ports 1-2 and 3-4 are siamesed. ... Peter, I'm running square on into this problem as we spEak. I've got the inlet manifold built and a DTA 'puter ready to go but I've been side tracked preparing the MK II Cortina for next year's rally season. How DTA suggest they can get around the problem is by running it as a 2 stroke, ie the injectors fire every crank revolution. I'm spEaking with a bloke in UK who's running into problems with his injected turbo Mini and through a bunch of thinking I may have solved the problem. I'm writing up a tech paper about it right now and all I need is a few minutes in the shop to get some fine details about how much 'stealing' the inside cylinders do. I *think* it can be made to work but essentially all the fuel has to go into the outside cylinders while the valve is open. Anything intended for that cylinder that is deposited in the port is eaten up by the inside cylinder. The inside cylinder charge is deposited partly in the port and partly down the valve as it opens. I've prepared illustrative valve timing diagrams and 3-D maps with a time domain ceiling under which the fuel map has to live. I might have all that together and up on my web page (below) by early next week. I'll also be sending it to DTA for their take on it. One of the key things I need is the size of injector used by the TPI Mini. No one has been able to come up with either a part number or a flow rate. I'll keep after it. Contact me off the list so we can chat about where you are with your project and maybe we can help each other? --Marcel Chichak chichm@telusplanet.net Edmonton Alberta Canada, eh? Peek into my world: www.planet.eon.net/~chichm ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 17 08:36:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA02470 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:36:05 -0700 Received: from femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.145]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA02464 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:35:59 -0700 Received: from electron ([24.3.251.94]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010817153540.MFHS5094.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@electron> for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:35:40 -0700 Message-ID: <009401c12732$47f26300$0500a8c0@intranet.inductionindustries.com> From: "Jeff Bromberger" To: References: <3B7C5942.D85D3B0C@nni.com> Subject: where to get "weatherpack" connectors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:35:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org looking for a good reasonable source for these, i'm going to be doing a lot of wiring on the car and i'd rather have everything able to be unplugged vs. all being soldered... thanks, jeff ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 17 09:27:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA04253 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:27:57 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA04247 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:27:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id LAA23120; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:27:49 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma023116; Fri, 17 Aug 01 11:26:50 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15658 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:26:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B7D44D7.B0C0D830@arm.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:22:47 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: where to get "weatherpack" connectors? References: <3B7C5942.D85D3B0C@nni.com> <009401c12732$47f26300$0500a8c0@intranet.inductionindustries.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Try the GMECM FAQ: http://diy-efi.org/gmecm/faq/gm_connectors.html --steve Jeff Bromberger wrote: > > looking for a good reasonable source for these, i'm going to be doing a lot > of wiring on the car and i'd rather have everything able to be unplugged vs. > all being soldered... > > thanks, > jeff > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 17 11:28:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA05234 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:28:48 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.89]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA05230 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:28:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f89.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.89] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:28:10 -0700 Received: from 209.146.61.122 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:28:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.146.61.122] From: "ed murder" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Cc: blownz@home.com Subject: Re: where to get "weatherpack" connectors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:28:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2001 18:28:10.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E348D10:01C1274A] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org jeff, my company purchases weatherpack connectors through waytek, inc. they've proven to be a good vendor, and have an excellent catalog with other useful automotive type connectors and corrugated wire loom. i have a catalog at my desk, so if you need me to look up any part numbers let me know. waytek, inc. phone: (800) 328-2724 fax: (800) 858-0319 url: www.waytekwire.com edm >From: "Jeff Bromberger" >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >To: >Subject: where to get "weatherpack" connectors? >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:35:44 -0500 > >looking for a good reasonable source for these, i'm going to be doing a lot >of wiring on the car and i'd rather have everything able to be unplugged >vs. >all being soldered... > >thanks, >jeff > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 17 13:14:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA05782 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:14:52 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05777 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:14:42 -0700 Received: from [216.107.53.208] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 29700328 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:14:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7D7B69.FA80DCD1@nni.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:15:37 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: [Fwd: DIY-WB boards 2nd batch INFO] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org [Fwd: good info from Bob V.] I'd like to address a few questions that are arising on the 2nd batch of DIY-WB boards. 1. "When will they be available?" We plan to CLOSE the requests for the 2nd batch on Thursday, August 23th. (8/24) This will give everyone time to get requests in so no one gets shut out. Boards will be ordered for two week delivery, expect them to be availible for shipping after 9/10. 2. "How much will they cost?" Not known yet; the more there are the cheaper they will be! The price will be the same or less as the first batch ($8.72/ea). It could go under $5 per board if the quantity is high enough. 3. "Are you taking online payments?" No, not for domestic orders, right now. For international buyers I will be making an exception due to the difficulties of international payments. They will be contacted by me with the information once the 2nd batch is closed. 4. "Is there a parts kit?" No one has come forward to offer one. IF someone does, please contact me and I can set you up with the same web form being used for the 2nd batch order. -> Bob Valentine -> wideband@tecmark.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 17 13:37:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA05893 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:37:56 -0700 Received: from femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.86]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05889 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:37:50 -0700 Received: from electron ([24.3.251.94]) by femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010817203729.WKMA15121.femail6.sdc1.sfba.home.com@electron> for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:37:29 -0700 Message-ID: <010601c1275c$70bb92a0$0500a8c0@intranet.inductionindustries.com> From: "Jeff Bromberger" To: References: Subject: Re: where to get "weatherpack" connectors? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:37:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks for the lead! that place looks great... i just requested a catalog... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: ed murder To: Cc: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:28 PM Subject: Re: where to get "weatherpack" connectors? > > jeff, > > my company purchases weatherpack connectors through waytek, inc. they've > proven to be a good vendor, and have an excellent catalog with other useful > automotive type connectors and corrugated wire loom. i have a catalog at my > desk, so if you need me to look up any part numbers let me know. > > waytek, inc. > phone: (800) 328-2724 > fax: (800) 858-0319 > url: www.waytekwire.com > > > > edm > > > > > >From: "Jeff Bromberger" > >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > >To: > >Subject: where to get "weatherpack" connectors? > >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:35:44 -0500 > > > >looking for a good reasonable source for these, i'm going to be doing a lot > >of wiring on the car and i'd rather have everything able to be unplugged > >vs. > >all being soldered... > > > >thanks, > >jeff > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > >quotes) > >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 17 18:20:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA07090 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:20:40 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA07069; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:18:46 -0700 Received: from [216.107.54.23] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 29726352; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:18:44 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7DC2B0.46ECF89A@nni.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:19:44 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Test of DIY-WB References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010817175312.00aa36d0@in.epix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The item D3 is a uni-directional diode. I also don't think that this is mentioned: 1. unless noted all resistors are 1/4 w. 2. unless noted all resistors are 5% tolerance. BobR. Len Sabatine wrote: > Referring to the bill of materials I have a question regarding > Item 12 , D3 , 1.5KE- 33A. Is part Bi or Unidirectional ? > Len > > >Had a chance to do some testing yesterday. Swapped out > >the perf-board prototype for the PCB version of the WB. > >Left the same sensor in the exhaust. Looking over the > >data logs it looks like the data between the two is the > >same (perf vs pcb). > > > >This is good. It looks like I didn't miss any traces! . > >Once some more are built I am hoping that they can be > >compared to some commercial units or cal gas. If anyone > >can do this it would be a good thing. > > > >Bruce Roe is working on a couple of add-ons for the > >DIY-WB. One being an LED bar-graph display. This will > >be nice for those that aren't data logging. Also some > >stuff to convert the WB signal into something usable > >for the NB ECM input. > > > >We'll release schematics of these and with enough interest > >may be making PCBs. As these won't require a lot of wiring > >it will be easy to manually wire also. > > > >BobR. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Fri Aug 17 20:05:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA08235 for diy_efi-outgoing; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:05:51 -0700 Received: from web10901.mail.yahoo.com (web10901.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.37]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id UAA08227 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:05:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20010818030541.69740.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.33.132.219] by web10901.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:05:41 PDT Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:05:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Carter Shore Subject: Batch EFI on Siamesed Port Motors To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: <200108170801.BAA01503@hektor.valesh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Peter, I face the same problem with my Mk II Spitfire., which also has siamesed intake ports. I think I know how to make it work at speed, but idle and cruise is still a problem. Consider just a pair of siamesed cyclinders. Assume for a moment that the aiflow is equal into both cylinders (probably not true!). The problem is to time the injection events to avoid intake overlap. If we are running at 7200 RPM, then there are 60 full cycles per second, around 17 mSec. Each intake event lasts roughly 180 degrees, around 8.5 mSec. The intake events of the siamesed cylinders are adjacent. So we have around 8.5 mSec for the first cylinder, then 8.5 mSec for the next, then 17 mSec until the whole thing repeats. If we size the injectors such that the max amount of fuel needed can be injected during a 6 mSec interval, then we should be able to time the injection pulses to achive fairly equal fuel distribution to each cylinder. Remember that in a SEFI, we inject 1 shot of fuel for each cylinder of air. So the mass of air sucked in determines how much fuel should be injected each time. And the mass of air is proportional to the Volumetric Efficiency under that set of conditions (temperature, RPM, air density, throttle position, etc.). We can pretty easily choose injectors that will supply enough fuel for each cylinder in 6 mSec at WOT and high RPM It's a 1300 CC motor after all! Let's say we need a max total of 50 lb/hr of fuel. On a normal SEFI that would require 4 x 13 lb injectors. For our oddball setup with 2 injectors, each must flow 26 lb/hr. And we will pulse a maximum 6+6 = 12 mSec out of 17, so we would need: 26 x 17/12 = 37 lb/hr units. Our problem is getting the darn thing to idle, when VE is very low, or to run decently at part throttle cruise. We need a dynamic range of at least 25:1. Most injectors start to operate poorly somewhere under 1 mSec or so, so we have only around 8:1 range. My solution? Two sets of different sized injectors. Each intake tract has a high volume and a low volume injector, both mounted along the center line, perhaps in tandem. The injector capacities are chosen to overlap. As long as the injectors are of the proper type (saturated vs p/h), the ECU driver hardware should need no modifications. The software however, would require some major hacking. First off is to arrange for the oddball injector timing. Next is to handle the transition region between high volume and low volume injector operation. But the rest of the code should require few changes. Fuel and spark tables are used the same, and load calculations are made the same way, since the same sensors would be used. Comments, suggestions? Carter Shore __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 18 04:54:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA09930 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 04:54:40 -0700 Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA09924 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 04:54:23 -0700 From: mike.hoenes@ncmail.net Received: from ncmail.net (user-2ivf2a3.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.137.67]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10179; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B7E5899.9EBDDF5F@ncmail.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:59:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org CC: DIY_EFI-Digest@lists.diy-efi.org Subject: Chevy Blazer 4.3 binary file needed References: <200108180800.BAA09318@hektor.valesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does anyone have thi binary prom file for an 89 4.3 v6 , 3.42 rear, automatic with TBI? TIA mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 18 04:54:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id EAA09929 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 04:54:33 -0700 Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA09920 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 04:54:21 -0700 From: mike.hoenes@ncmail.net Received: from ncmail.net (user-2ivf2a3.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.137.67]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA10179; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B7E5899.9EBDDF5F@ncmail.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:59:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org CC: DIY_EFI-Digest@lists.diy-efi.org Subject: Chevy Blazer 4.3 binary file needed References: <200108180800.BAA09318@hektor.valesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does anyone have thi binary prom file for an 89 4.3 v6 , 3.42 rear, automatic with TBI? TIA mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 18 06:19:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA10432 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:19:15 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA10419; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:18:36 -0700 Received: from [216.107.54.73] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 29765179; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:18:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7E6B66.7D063166@nni.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:19:34 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Pic of DIY-WB sensor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org There is a scan of the NTK O2 sensor that is used for the DIY-WB project on incoming: WB-SENSOR.JPG This should help out in identifying the proper sensor. BobR. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 18 06:54:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA10771 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:54:01 -0700 Received: from goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA10767 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:53:55 -0700 Received: from jcramer (1Cust15.tnt22.atl2.da.uu.net [63.36.158.15]) by goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA24593 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010818093300.034fc890@pop.cwru.edu> X-Sender: mac9@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:33:00 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Matt Cramer Subject: Mercury to Mopar TBI swap? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I recently bought an '86 Mercury Capri with a 3.8 V6 with the intent of swapping a V8 into it. However, I just had an idea for another project using some parts off it once I get the V8 in there. Since my Dodge Dart has a 3.7 liter straight six and the Capri has a working TBI setup on there, perhaps I could put the fuel injection unit from the Capri on my Dart. There are some obvious things I need to take care of, like installing the sensors and making an adapter for the intake manifold, but there are a few things I'm not sure what to do about. The most important that I can think of is fuel pressure. Does anyone know what fuel pressure this device is supposed to run at? I've heard that GM TBI's use less fuel pressure than most multi-port EFI setups, but is this true of Ford units too? Or does it expect around 43 psi of fuel pressure? Matt Cramer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 18 14:10:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA13088 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:10:15 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA13079 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:10:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA00153 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:23:54 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B7EDA5B.2745E333@techedge.com.au> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:12:59 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Batch EFI on Siamesed Port Motors References: <20010818030541.69740.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Carter Shore wrote: > > If we size the injectors such that the max > amount of fuel needed can be injected during a 6 mSec > interval, then we should be able to time the injection > pulses to achive fairly equal fuel distribution to > each cylinder. Agreed, but here's a couple of problems (and I don't presume to know how much of an effect each contributes) 1. The injector, pointing down the inlet tract is looking at two possible paths for the fuel spray it generates. Even if you spray during just 6 mSec out of a 34 mSec cycle, you're not guarantee to shoot all of that fuel into the cylinder with the currently open inlet valve. 2. The aerodynamics of the inlet manifold's flow is different for the first "opened" and second opened siamesed ports. The air column in the single runner will be moving more quickly relative to the first, when the second opened valve does open. > And the mass of air is proportional to the Volumetric > Efficiency under that set of conditions (temperature, > RPM, air density, throttle position, etc.). ... I believe effect 1 will rob fuel from the first cylinder, and effect 2 will increase the VE of the second cylinder - somewhat compensating for the fact it has stolen some fuel. But the bottom line is that the contribution of these effects will vary with load (and perhaps to a lesser extent, other factors), so that an SEFI setup, to be running as sweet as it is capable, should be able to vary the pulse duration between the first and second cylinders. > Our problem is getting the darn thing to idle, when VE > is very low, or to run decently at part throttle > cruise. We need a dynamic range of at least 25:1. Most > injectors start to operate poorly somewhere under 1 > mSec or so, so we have only around 8:1 range. I'm no guru, but is 25 to 1 an issue? Particularly if we're talking closed loop operation (light load = yes). The injector opening times may vary with environmental conditions (Temp. mostly) but the feedback should compensate easily. Using P&H injectors should improve reproducibility of duration times. > My solution? > Two sets of different sized injectors. Don't get me wrong, but I'm thinking that bigger ain't necessarily better in this situation. > The software however, would require some major > hacking. First off is to arrange for the oddball > injector timing. Next is to handle the transition > region between high volume and low volume injector > operation. If we're talking hacking, then here are two possible ways. a. Add an external box to an existing Bank Fire setup and provide a CAM (or CMP) signal so the box knows which of two P&H injectors to fire, box could either interface to the ECU's ALDL (if available) or take off a MAP/MAF signal to determine load and hence VE for fine tuning the balance between the first and second cylinder. b. If the ECU is SEFI already, then it may be possible to vary the balance between the cylinders with some code changes. One way to think of this is that VE varies between the cylinders so there are two VE tables or perhaps better - a VE difference table that is plotted against engine load and revs. Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 18 14:39:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA13268 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:39:01 -0700 Received: from bos-gate1.raytheon.com (bos-gate1.raytheon.com [199.46.198.230]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA13264 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:38:54 -0700 Received: from ds02w00.directory.ray.com (ds02w00.rsc.raytheon.com [147.25.146.118]) by bos-gate1.raytheon.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id f7ILcnw10522 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tu-801-mta1.rsc.raytheon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ds02w00.directory.ray.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07818 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:38:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WB O2 Circuit Comments To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Timothy J Burgess" Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:37:00 -0700 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on RWSMTA20/SRV/Raytheon/US(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/18/2001 02:37:06 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Greetings and congratulations on designing an extremely useful tuning aid - I look forward to using it! I have a few comments regarding the design: Change R1 to R4 in the note on page 1. What is the value of the calR pot? Under what conditions should the heater Imax to be reduced from 1.5 A to 1.45 A? It may be useful to provide a second output that is scaled such that 0.1 volts = 10.8:1 and 0.9 volts = 13.07:1 (essentially by subtracting about 1.3 volts from the existing output). This output could be applied to an analog mux that selects the stock O2 sensor output under part throttle and selects the WB O2 sensor output at WOT. The output of the mux would connect the the ECM O2 sensor input. This would allow easy WOT A:F ratio data capture using the A to D in the ECM in conjunction with an AutoXray or Diacom, etc., and would also allow the ECM to continue to operate normally at part throttle. I created a Digikey part number BOM from the parts list on the web site. Unless it has already been created, I thought that it might be useful to have it posted for peer review, corrections, etc. I'm an EE and moderate the electronics board on thirdgen.org, so I look forward to seeing you there, as well! Tim Burgess ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 18 16:28:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA13670 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 16:28:50 -0700 Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA13666 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 16:28:43 -0700 Received: from nicos (p25-max11.dun.ihug.co.nz [203.173.238.153]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id LAA04862 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:28:34 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p25-max11.dun.ihug.co.nz [203.173.238.153] claimed to be nicos Message-ID: <000901c1283e$2bf45200$99eeadcb@nicos> From: "Nicholas Parker" To: Subject: Toyota Automotive Connectors Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:33:21 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi, I am getting near installing my own design ''home brew" EFI system onto a supercharged 4-cyl Toyota engine (4A-GZE), which was injected to begin with anyway. I want to use existing hardware on the engine, meaing I want to wire my system into the old Toyota sockets (sensors, injectors, coil packs etc - mostly nippon denso parts I think). Can these plugs be obtained from any company? Or will I have to scour wrecking yards! Nick Parker ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sat Aug 18 17:10:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA13894 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:10:27 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA13888 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:10:16 -0700 Received: from [216.107.52.20] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 29801329 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:10:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3B7F041E.829063B0@nni.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:11:10 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: WB O2 Circuit Comments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Timothy J Burgess wrote: > Greetings and congratulations on designing an extremely useful tuning aid - > I look forward to using it! I have a few comments regarding the design: > > Change R1 to R4 in the note on page 1. Yes. > > What is the value of the calR pot? Ah, this one's easy! The resistor is included with every sensor. Note that the connector housing has 5 wires but 7 pins. The two pins without wires is the calibration resistor. No polarity, just wire it in. Just don't switch CalR's between sensors. They are matched to the sensor they came with. > > > Under what conditions should the heater Imax to be reduced from 1.5 A to > 1.45 A? When the warm up time is too short. Might start w/o a trim resistor and measure the warm up time. If too long then try a 10 ohm paralleled next. > > > It may be useful to provide a second output that is scaled such that 0.1 > volts = 10.8:1 and 0.9 volts = 13.07:1 (essentially by subtracting about > 1.3 volts from the existing output). This output could be applied to an > analog mux that selects the stock O2 sensor output under part throttle and > selects the WB O2 sensor output at WOT. The output of the mux would > connect the the ECM O2 sensor input. This would allow easy WOT A:F ratio > data capture using the A to D in the ECM in conjunction with an AutoXray or > Diacom, etc., and would also allow the ECM to continue to operate normally > at part throttle. Sounds like a mux should be added to the general output board. I'll keep this in mind. We are working on a couple of different options at this time. The re-scaling of the WB output to an ECM O2 input in one of them. I'm not positive if someone has started working on this one. I'll ask and if not would you care to? Probably put them all on the same PCB. Good input. > > > I created a Digikey part number BOM from the parts list on the web site. > Unless it has already been created, I thought that it might be useful to > have it posted for peer review, corrections, etc. If you'd like to throw your name at the top and email to me I'll review it. Then ask Steve if he'd place with the DIY-WB project info page. I like keeping Steve busy, he does a great job with the web site! (that's a thanks. . .) > > > I'm an EE and moderate the electronics board on thirdgen.org, so I look > forward to seeing you there, as well! > > Tim Burgess Welcome aboard, BobR. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 01:43:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA15797 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 01:43:16 -0700 Received: from westbyserver.mwt.net (westbyserver.westby.mwt.net [156.46.73.3]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA15793 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 01:43:10 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host westbyserver.westby.mwt.net [156.46.73.3] claimed to be westbyserver.mwt.net Received: from localhost.localdomain (pm3-2-172.oakdale.mwt.net [207.190.90.172] (may be forged)) by westbyserver.mwt.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f7FC1KN01973 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:01:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:57:55 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org References: <200108150800.BAA08933@hektor.valesh.com> In-Reply-To: <200108150800.BAA08933@hektor.valesh.com> Subject: Re: building boards MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01081505575503.21580@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Wednesday 15 August 2001 03:00, you wrote: Sept 1 the lady at work that builds boards our proto is laid off . could talk to her and she could build yours and others for price . doing it 15 yrs Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 05:57:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA16515 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 05:57:51 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA16511 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 05:57:45 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.127]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010819125743.IZYS29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:57:43 -0400 Message-ID: <006501c009dd$0b7df380$7f0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <200108150800.BAA08933@hektor.valesh.com> <01081505575503.21580@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: building boards Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 08:57:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The spirit of this is DIY, non-profit. meaning anywhere along the way. Bruce > Sept 1 the lady at work that builds boards our proto is laid off . could talk > to her and she could build yours and others for price . doing it 15 yrs > Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 08:41:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA17183 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:41:30 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f205.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.205]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA17179 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:41:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f205.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.205] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:40:48 -0700 Received: from 146.186.52.156 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:40:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [146.186.52.156] From: "Camden Lindsay" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: Kits for WBO2 Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:40:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2001 15:40:48.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[5170F470:01C128C5] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I take it there has been no one yet to put together these kits? c _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 15:12:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA18682 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:12:25 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA18677 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:12:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA00104 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:26:09 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B803A6F.84F7E183@techedge.com.au> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:15:11 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Australian DIY-WB group buy status References: <3B79B87B.1E7F9B3F@techedge.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Cut-off for this Australian group buy is in about 24 hours. It's for the DIY-WB PCB, and also for the not-so-common NTK sensor that is used for this project (also known as a Honda V-Tec, Bosch, NGK, Echlin, 7 pin, 5 wire, etc. sensor. - don't ask, check the archives !!!) If you've made an order for an Australian board or a sensor through me already, and you didn't get a confirmation request, then contact me direct mailto:wideband@techedge.com.au?subject=WB Price for the PCB, delivered to your Australian address, should be < AU$20. Price for a sensor should be < AU$240, with local freight added to this, although AU$10 should get it anywhere in Australia overnight. Asian destination freight will be extra. We have just over a dozen local PCB orders that I have individually asked each person who responded to the initial offer to confirm. And we have less than 10 sensor orders, so it looks likely that I'll still get the PCBs thru' Bob Valentine rather than locally made as the quantities don't "add up" for a good price. I have not had any better deal than the ~AU$240 for the correct NTK sensor through The Parts Bin, so, assuming they actually get stock this week, that's what I'll be ordering. Reply to any queries you may have to me direct and I'll post a summary here - GMECM list will be CC'd. Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 16:05:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA19090 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:05:52 -0700 Received: from mailin10.bigpond.com (juicer35.bigpond.com [139.134.6.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA19086 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:05:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host juicer35.bigpond.com [139.134.6.87] claimed to be mailin10.bigpond.com Received: from default ([144.135.24.72]) by mailin10.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GIC8EY00.2TT for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:11:22 +1000 Received: from 144.138.80.179 ([144.138.80.179]) by bwmam02.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9g 8317/6884291); 20 Aug 2001 09:11:17 Message-ID: <000801c12904$d3943cc0$b3508a90@default> From: "Warwick Anderson" To: Subject: Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:38:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C128E6.8B2177A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C128E6.8B2177A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A good friend of mine, has again changed Air flow meters. the motor is = the LS1(?) alloy 5.7 chev motor as fitted to Holden Commodore. 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------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C128E6.8B2177A0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 16:14:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA19158 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:14:37 -0700 Received: from femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.20]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA19154 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:14:30 -0700 Received: from cc693406a ([65.11.182.46]) by femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010819231424.QHOO1130.femail30.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc693406a> for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:14:24 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c12904$c1a35780$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: <200108150800.BAA08933@hektor.valesh.com> <01081505575503.21580@localhost.localdomain> <006501c009dd$0b7df380$7f0ac9d8@bruce> Subject: Re: building boards Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:14:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Don't get carried away, Bruce. As long as the folks know the deal up front they should have the option of doing it any way they want. That wasn't a commercial advertisement - it was an ask for help and legitimate reply. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" To: Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:57 AM Subject: Re: building boards > > The spirit of this is DIY, non-profit. > meaning anywhere along the way. > Bruce > > > Sept 1 the lady at work that builds boards our proto is laid off . could > talk > > to her and she could build yours and others for price . doing it 15 yrs > > Steve > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 16:43:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA19406 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:43:44 -0700 Received: from racelec.com ([203.45.137.43]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA19402 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 16:43:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [203.45.137.43] claimed to be racelec.com Message-ID: <000501c12908$c1723890$f287a8c0@davidpc> From: "David Chambers" To: Subject: Re: building boards Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:43:31 +1000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org What about the PCB manufacturer. Sure you can perf board one or you can buy a PCB from a manufacturer who is making a profit, selling the boards to Bob who is on selling them at no additional profit. How does offering to get boards assembled at COST from an outside source violate the non - profit idea of the group. We can also extend this idea to include component supply and assembly of boards at cost. Then people will have the option of doing it all themselves from the information provided with the non commercial, non profit agreement or they can buy a build ready to run board under the same agreement? David Chambers The spirit of this is DIY, non-profit. meaning anywhere along the way. Bruce > Sept 1 the lady at work that builds boards our proto is laid off . could talk > to her and she could build yours and others for price . doing it 15 yrs > Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 17:09:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA19571 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:09:49 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA19567 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:09:36 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.35]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010820000926.GNTG333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:09:26 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c00a3a$e1ec13e0$23258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <000501c12908$c1723890$f287a8c0@davidpc> Subject: Re: building boards Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:09:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Would you care to do the PCBs?. Free. There was no talent here on the board to draw upon for that, it was a last resort. How easy does this have to be?. DIY. DIY DIY T'ween that and no profit, sure seems to confuse alot of folks. DIY-EFI, and don't want to DIY, boy now that's something. Sure is easy to sit back and type after all the work is done. Bruce From: "David Chambers" Subject: Re: building boards > What about the PCB manufacturer. Sure you can perf board one or you can buy > a PCB from a manufacturer who is making a profit, selling the boards to Bob > who is on selling them at no additional profit. How does offering to get > boards assembled at COST from an outside source violate the non - profit > idea of the group. We can also extend this idea to include component supply > and assembly of boards at cost. Then people will have the option of doing it > all themselves from the information provided with the non commercial, non > profit agreement or they can buy a build ready to run board under the same > agreement? > > David Chambers > > The spirit of this is DIY, non-profit. > > meaning anywhere along the way. > > Bruce > > > Sept 1 the lady at work that builds boards our proto is laid off . could > > talk > > > to her and she could build yours and others for price . doing it 15 yrs > > > Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 17:16:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA19636 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:16:48 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA19632 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:16:41 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.35]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010820001633.RQYM29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:16:33 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c00a3b$e02a7140$23258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <200108150800.BAA08933@hektor.valesh.com> <01081505575503.21580@localhost.localdomain> <006501c009dd$0b7df380$7f0ac9d8@bruce> <005701c12904$c1a35780$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> Subject: Re: building boards Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:16:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Easy for someone with no investment, to give someone else's work away, or want to violate the terms of what has already been said. How about spear heading a project, Mr Hunt?. Let's see how you would feel, in the same situation, no not in theory, actually do it and see what happens. Do it and get back to me, OK. I and others haven't chased this thing around for years for some body to make money off of our work. Also, feel free to examine the archives, about the history of it, and why the project HAD to go underground. To include posters, and just might get a better idea of what is and did go on. It was the profit nonsense that killed one project, we might have had this 2 years ago, if it weren't for the few that just had to make a buck off of others. Ya, due to the sorry nature of folks, there probably will be some snail faced dweeb, try and make a buck off of it, but I'll sure as hell raise noise about it, especially if it happens on this or the GMECM list. For the price of the boards, and parts, even if you or someone else screws one up it not like you losing a hundred bucks on it (because folks are making a profit on it). Also, kinda of a mandatory learning process for some. Or a forced bartering system. Discussing it any further would just be a further waste of bandwidth, if you really need something to do with your time, how about think up a project, and do something constructive. Call me anything you want, it doesn't change anything. Black and white is just fine when it comes to keeping your word. I sure get tired of folks offering to give some one else's work away, or make a buck on it. Bruce From: "David Hunt" Subject: Re: building boards > Don't get carried away, Bruce. As long as the folks know the deal up front > they should have the option of doing it any way they want. That wasn't a > commercial advertisement - it was an ask for help and legitimate reply. > > dh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 17:28:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA19762 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:28:54 -0700 Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA19758 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:28:48 -0700 Received: from jcramer (1Cust49.tnt14.atl2.da.uu.net [63.36.169.49]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04870; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010819202841.03702440@pop.cwru.edu> X-Sender: mac9@pop.cwru.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:28:41 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Matt Cramer Subject: Re: Air flow meter Cc: warwick@musclecarshootout.com In-Reply-To: <000801c12904$d3943cc0$b3508a90@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 07:38 PM 8/19/2001 +1000, you wrote: > after each change, and the thing that gave the greatest >performance boost (according to the dyno sheets) was the air flow meter! > Now if the air flow meter just measures air flow, how is it so? (Finally, a question I can answer!) LS1 sounds right - that's a new aluminum Chevy V8 used in the Commodore, Camaro, and Corvette. Anyway, the air flow meter on many cars can be something of a restriction to incoming air. Changing it to a less restrictive type can improve volumetric efficiency, which is good for more power. This has become a fairly popular mod on Chevy engines and some 5.0 Mustangs. Matt Cramer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 17:43:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA19931 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:43:30 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA19924 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 17:43:23 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.35]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010820004322.SBBX29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 20:43:22 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c00a3f$9ef752c0$23258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <000801c12904$d3943cc0$b3508a90@default> Subject: Re: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:43:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org If it under or over reports the air flow, that will change the fueling. On some applications, even the orientation of it will effect the reported Airflow. By pipes do you mean intake tract?. They just might get along just right with a certain sensor. There is alot of turbulence in the intake tract, with reversion, and puslations, makes figuring out what exactlly going on hard to figure Bruce From: Warwick Anderson Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 5:38 AM A good friend of mine, has again changed Air flow meters. the motor is the LS1(?) alloy 5.7 chev motor as fitted to Holden Commodore. Now he changed, ECU (whole thing not just chip) to a GTS 300kw unit, air flow meter and pipes and Camshaft to a Calloway unit that is used in the GTS 300kw cars. He had the car dyno'ed after each change, and the thing that gave the greatest performance boost (according to the dyno sheets) was the air flow meter! Now if the air flow meter just measures air flow, how is it so? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 18:02:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20102 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:02:04 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20098 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:01:57 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.35]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010820010151.GQTA333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:01:51 -0400 Message-ID: <005601c00a42$34047300$23258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20010819202841.03702440@pop.cwru.edu> Subject: Re: Air flow meter Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 21:01:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Popular, and in some cases, a waste of money. There are more then just a couple guys hot over having spent some big money on the aftermarkets and slowed down. In theory a reduction in intake tract restriction should show an improvement, but you have to be careful of other considerations. ie, does it effect reproted airflow, and hence mixture, and timing. Is it just correcting a wrong, or actually doing something good. I've tried them (late MAFs), with and without screens, and airfoils, and the 3.5 in a 3.0 housing. As far as performance goes, in my application the 3.5 in a 3.0 with the screens, and the airfoil, and supports removed were the hot set up. That setup also was the best in drivibility. Bruce > (Finally, a question I can answer!) LS1 sounds right - that's a new > aluminum Chevy V8 used in the Commodore, Camaro, and Corvette. Anyway, the > air flow meter on many cars can be something of a restriction to incoming > air. Changing it to a less restrictive type can improve volumetric > efficiency, which is good for more power. This has become a fairly popular > mod on Chevy engines and some 5.0 Mustangs. > Matt Cramer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Aug 19 18:13:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA20248 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:13:34 -0700 Received: from spinach.harvestroad.com.au ([203.103.97.16]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA20244 for ; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:13:27 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [203.103.97.16] claimed to be spinach.harvestroad.com.au Received: from chris.harvestroad.com (octopus.harvestroad.com.au [203.103.97.30]) by spinach.harvestroad.com.au (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f7K1DN427930 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:13:23 +0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010820091330.01be09d0@spinach.harvestroad.com> X-Sender: chris@spinach.harvestroad.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:14:25 +0800 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Chris Waltham Subject: Re: Air flow meter In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010819202841.03702440@pop.cwru.edu> References: <000801c12904$d3943cc0$b3508a90@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 08:28 20/08/2001, you wrote: >At 07:38 PM 8/19/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > after each change, and the thing that gave the greatest > >performance boost (according to the dyno sheets) was the air flow meter! > > Now if the air flow meter just measures air flow, how is it so? > > (Finally, a question I can answer!) LS1 sounds right - that's a new >aluminum Chevy V8 used in the Commodore, Camaro, and Corvette. Anyway, the >air flow meter on many cars can be something of a restriction to incoming >air. Changing it to a less restrictive type can improve volumetric >efficiency, which is good for more power. This has become a fairly popular >mod on Chevy engines and some 5.0 Mustangs. Don't the Corvette's use something like the LS3 or the LT3? I thought they had a touch less power output (270-odd or 280-odd kW), but were a lot better, shall we say, "engineered"? Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 05:15:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA22862 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:15:19 -0700 Received: from smtp01.iprimus.net.au (www01.pod02.corp.iprimus.net.au [203.134.64.107]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA22856 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:15:11 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host www01.pod02.corp.iprimus.net.au [203.134.64.107] claimed to be smtp01.iprimus.net.au Received: from ajasonm ([210.50.27.53]) by smtp01.iprimus.net.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3571); Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:14:45 +1000 Message-ID: <005a01c12971$e3ab9280$351b32d2@ajasonm> From: "Daniel" To: References: <000801c12904$d3943cc0$b3508a90@default> <5.1.0.14.2.20010820091330.01be09d0@spinach.harvestroad.com> Subject: Re: Air flow meter Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:16:05 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2001 12:14:45.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3284A90:01C12971] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I think you will find our Australian 300kw GTS had the C4B motor which is speed density so if you got the GTS PCM to work in the 220kw motor and installed the GTS cam and head package you should not use the airflow meter . The airflow meter is only used on the 220kw and 250kw versions. How did you get the GTS pcm to work ? HSV are unwilling to sell a PCM with the GTS program in it and even when we got one , no dealer would update the BCM to suit SO IT WAS USELESS. The Aussie LS1 has been programmed too rich by Holden at WOT so people have been finding good performance gains by "porting the maf" and recalibrated mafs to lean off the WOT fuelling - the gain is directly proportional to what version of software your PCM runs as I have seen guys that had gains , loose power when they sent there car in for a service and a new version of software was installed (to fix other issues) . The best gain I have got so far for the dollars is to fit the supercharger ! Daniel Collins > > > after each change, and the thing that gave the greatest > > >performance boost (according to the dyno sheets) was the air flow meter! > > > Now if the air flow meter just measures air flow, how is it so? > > > Don't the Corvette's use something like the LS3 or the LT3? I thought they > had a touch less power output (270-odd or 280-odd kW), but were a lot better, > shall we say, "engineered"? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 05:18:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA22906 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:18:54 -0700 Received: from raven.toyota.com (blackice.toyota.com [63.87.74.200]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA22900 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:18:47 -0700 From: Scott_Hay@toyota.com X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host blackice.toyota.com [63.87.74.200] claimed to be raven.toyota.com Received: from external03.toyota.com (external03.toyota.com [10.63.12.106]) by raven.toyota.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f7KCIGT28806 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:18:16 -0700 Received: by external03.toyota.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 88256AAE.004415F4 ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 05:23:40 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: TOYOTA@TMSVEN To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Message-ID: <88256AAE.0044142F.00@external03.toyota.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:16:44 -0400 Subject: Toyota Connectors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Nick, Back in about 1998 Toyota started to put part #'s of the connectors in the back of the wiring diagram books to order from the dealer. Most connectors are common back quite a few years. If you have access to a connector, look for a 5 digit # on it. If it's there, add 90980 as a prefix and that will make up the entire part #. Scott Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 11:33:21 +1200 From: "Nicholas Parker" Subject: Toyota Automotive Connectors Hi, I am getting near installing my own design ''home brew" EFI system onto a supercharged 4-cyl Toyota engine (4A-GZE), which was injected to begin with anyway. I want to use existing hardware on the engine, meaing I want to wire my system into the old Toyota sockets (sensors, injectors, coil packs etc - mostly nippon denso parts I think). Can these plugs be obtained from any company? Or will I have to scour wrecking yards! Nick Parker ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 09:13:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA24132 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:13:44 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (oe21.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.125]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA24126 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:13:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host oe21.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.125] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:13:05 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [206.15.153.184] From: "Michael Humphries Woodworking" To: Subject: Dissassembling BINS Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:12:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C12971.74171E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2001 16:13:05.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEC85370:01C12992] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C12971.74171E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I al looking for some help on dissassembling a BIN file obtained from my = prom. I understand that the first half of the bin viewed in a hex = editor is the actual software, and the rest of it are the tables. So i = need to split this file up somehow. Also, if I am to learn the = language, assembly, is this a specific assembly language for motorola = chips? Or is it just general assembly language, becasue I am going to = need to get a book probably, to learn all this stuff. Any help would be greatly appreciated! ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C12971.74171E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I al looking for some help on = dissassembling a BIN=20 file obtained from my prom.  I understand that the first half of = the bin=20 viewed in a hex editor is the actual software, and the rest of it are = the=20 tables.  So i need to split this file up somehow.  Also, if I = am to=20 learn the language, assembly, is this a specific assembly language for = motorola=20 chips?  Or is it just general assembly language, becasue I am going = to need=20 to get a book probably, to learn all this stuff.
 
Any help would be greatly=20 appreciated!
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C12971.74171E80-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 10:22:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA24919 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:22:22 -0700 Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA24915 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:22:16 -0700 Message-ID: <20010820172214.52012.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [156.80.231.200] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:22:14 PDT Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:22:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Agnello Subject: Re: Toyota Connectors To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: <88256AAE.0044142F.00@external03.toyota.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Scott, I am interested in this from a different angle. I use a stock ECU modified by G Force Engineering but I also want to install a breakout harness to connect a data logger to the ECU inputs. Do you know if it is possible to get the both the male and female sides of the ECU connectors? I looked on the ECU for a part number and came up empty. My application is a 1988 Celica All Trac Turbo. Thanks, Mark Agnello -- Scott_Hay@toyota.com wrote: > > > Nick, > > Back in about 1998 Toyota started to put part #'s of > the connectors in the back > of the wiring diagram books to order from the > dealer. Most connectors are > common back quite a few years. If you have access > to a connector, look for a 5 > digit # on it. If it's there, add 90980 as a prefix > and that will make up the > entire part #. > > Scott > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 10:54:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA25142 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:54:37 -0700 Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA25138 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:54:31 -0700 Received: (qmail 82957 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2001 17:54:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jawbreaker) ([66.92.166.175]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Aug 2001 17:54:29 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010820135613.00f12284@mail.speakeasy.org> X-Sender: synchris@mail.speakeasy.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:56:14 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Chris Conlon Subject: Re: Toyota Connectors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 10:22 AM 8/20/01 -0700, Mark Agnello wrote: >I am interested in this from a different angle. I use >a stock ECU modified by G Force Engineering but I also >want to install a breakout harness to connect a data >logger to the ECU inputs. Do you know if it is >possible to get the both the male and female sides of >the ECU connectors? If anyone finds a source for these connectors, I'd like to hear about it too. I've hacked up the wiring harnesses on 2 of my cars (4A-GZE and 3S-GTE) to break out some signals, but it'd be so much cleaner with the right connectors. I did hear of a scan tool that attaches in this way, at the ECU connectors. I can try to find out if it's a Toyota tool or aftermarket... though I don't think in either case it'll help us get the connectors they used. Chris C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 11:01:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA25232 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:01:23 -0700 Received: from dribble.cme.nist.gov (dribble.cme.nist.gov [129.6.32.31]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA25226 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:01:14 -0700 Received: from geras (geras.ped.cme.nist.gov [129.6.72.125]) by dribble.cme.nist.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17163 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20010820135040.00bddb70@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> X-Sender: brenegar@mailhub.cme.nist.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:00:58 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Brian Renegar Subject: Re: WB O2 Circuit Comments In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >I created a Digikey part number BOM from the parts list on the web site. >Unless it has already been created, I thought that it might be useful to >have it posted for peer review, corrections, etc. Tim, if it's available, I'd really like to see the Digikey part# list that you've put together. There's a lot of components to get for the WB, and that would probably be beneficial to a lot of people here to have all of the part#'s together. BTW, do you know what the price tag from Digikey looks like for all of the components? Just wanted to get a ball park idea of what we're looking at. Thanks, Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 13:39:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA26746 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:39:21 -0700 Received: from femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.145]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26742 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:39:09 -0700 Received: from electron ([24.3.251.94]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010820203856.PTZC11956.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@electron> for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:38:56 -0700 Message-ID: <030c01c129b8$13d17560$0500a8c0@intranet.inductionindustries.com> From: "Jeff Bromberger" To: References: Subject: Re: Dissassembling BINS Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:38:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0309_01C1298E.2A9FDFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0309_01C1298E.2A9FDFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what ECU is this coming from? the interpretation of the bytes that you = pulled out of the prom depends completely on what processor you have... = there is no such thing as "general" assembly langauge... a 55h byte = might be a "move" instruction on one processor and a "jump" on = another... depending on what the processor is there may be utilities to = convert the binary dump directly into the assembly instructions... then = you'll need to data book for the processor to understand what those = instructions are doing... assembly is not necessarily easily readable... = each processor has its own addressing modes and register layout that = require you to know some specifics about the architecture... I al looking for some help on dissassembling a BIN file obtained from = my prom. I understand that the first half of the bin viewed in a hex = editor is the actual software, and the rest of it are the tables. So i = need to split this file up somehow. Also, if I am to learn the = language, assembly, is this a specific assembly language for motorola = chips? Or is it just general assembly language, becasue I am going to = need to get a book probably, to learn all this stuff. Any help would be greatly appreciated! ------=_NextPart_000_0309_01C1298E.2A9FDFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what ECU is this coming from?  the = interpretation of the bytes that you pulled out of the prom depends = completely=20 on what processor you have... there is no such thing as "general" = assembly=20 langauge... a 55h byte might be a "move" instruction on one processor = and a=20 "jump" on another... depending on what the processor is there may be = utilities=20 to convert the binary dump directly into the assembly instructions... = then=20 you'll need to data book for the processor to understand what those = instructions=20 are doing... assembly is not necessarily easily readable... each = processor has=20 its own addressing modes and register layout that require you to = know some=20 specifics about the architecture...

I al looking for some help on = dissassembling a=20 BIN file obtained from my prom.  I understand that the first half = of the=20 bin viewed in a hex editor is the actual software, and the rest of it = are the=20 tables.  So i need to split this file up somehow.  Also, if = I am to=20 learn the language, assembly, is this a specific assembly language for = motorola chips?  Or is it just general assembly language, becasue = I am=20 going to need to get a book probably, to learn all this = stuff.
 
Any help would be greatly=20 appreciated!
------=_NextPart_000_0309_01C1298E.2A9FDFE0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 13:57:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA26883 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:57:13 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26879 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:57:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA00288 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:11:08 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B817A56.FCC8C7E1@techedge.com.au> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:00:06 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Dissassembling BINS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Mike, don't post here in HTML .. > Michael Humphries Woodworking wrote: > > I al looking for some help on dissassembling a BIN file obtained from my prom. I > understand that the first half of the bin viewed in a hex editor is the actual software, > and the rest of it are the tables. First part is usually the tables for a GM BIN. You can work out where the code is by looking at the interrupt vectors at the end of the BIN for for most (all?) Mot. chip. > So i need to split this file up somehow. Also, if I > am to learn the language, assembly, is this a specific assembly language for motorola > chips? Or is it just general assembly language, becasue I am going to need to get a > book probably, to learn all this stuff. My disassembler is available from http://www.techedge.com.au/utils/default.htm > Any help would be greatly appreciated! If you don't know assembler, there's a steep learning curve unless you're a programmer (and then some..). There is some info on the 68HC11 from Motorola - look for a User Manual PDF file - It'll have all the HC11's instructions, and how the chip works. There may also be some books on the HC11 too. Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 14:15:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA27117 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:15:40 -0700 Received: from femail47.sdc1.sfba.home.com (imail@femail47.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.41]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA27113 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:15:33 -0700 Received: from cc693406a ([65.11.182.46]) by femail47.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010820211531.VGST27838.femail47.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc693406a> for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:15:31 -0700 Message-ID: <04bb01c129bd$42d38240$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: <200108150800.BAA08933@hektor.valesh.com> <01081505575503.21580@localhost.localdomain> <006501c009dd$0b7df380$7f0ac9d8@bruce> <005701c12904$c1a35780$2eb60b41@hntsvlle1.al.home.com> <001f01c00a3b$e02a7140$23258fd1@bruce> Subject: Re: building boards Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:15:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I guess you missed it but there is wb artwork on the board with artwork with Digikey part numbers with everything I did it and I DON'T care how it's used, or not used as the case seems to be. I have PREVIOUSLY done that no charge, hell I don't even want a board! I did it before you ask and I'm back to you. What was offered that, if desired, someone could do some soldering. I don't know that soldering components to a board is actually profiting on the project. I don't want to get paid for soldering. I doubt that you do either. I don't care if anyone else makes a buck off of it. If they can more power to them because, as I posted before, they will probably provide support, and continuity to the project. I call this type of conversation BS. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" To: Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:16 PM Subject: Re: building boards > > > Easy for someone with no investment, to give someone else's work away, or > want to violate the terms of what has already been said. > How about spear heading a project, Mr Hunt?. Let's see how you would feel, > in the same situation, no not in theory, actually do it and see what > happens. Do it and get back to me, OK. > I and others haven't chased this thing around for years for some body to > make money off of our work. > Also, feel free to examine the archives, about the history of it, and why > the project HAD to go underground. To include posters, and just might get a > better idea of what is and did go on. It was the profit nonsense that > killed one project, we might have had this 2 years ago, if it weren't for > the few that just had to make a buck off of others. > > Ya, due to the sorry nature of folks, there probably will be some snail > faced dweeb, try and make a buck off of it, but I'll sure as hell raise > noise about it, especially if it happens on this or the GMECM list. > > For the price of the boards, and parts, even if you or someone else screws > one up it not like you losing a hundred bucks on it (because folks are > making a profit on it). Also, kinda of a mandatory learning process for > some. Or a forced bartering system. > > Discussing it any further would just be a further waste of bandwidth, if you > really need something to do with your time, how about think up a project, > and do something constructive. > > Call me anything you want, it doesn't change anything. Black and white is > just fine when it comes to keeping your word. I sure get tired of folks > offering to give some one else's work away, or make a buck on it. > Bruce > > From: "David Hunt" > Subject: Re: building boards > > Don't get carried away, Bruce. As long as the folks know the deal up > front > > they should have the option of doing it any way they want. That wasn't a > > commercial advertisement - it was an ask for help and legitimate reply. > > > > dh > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 15:03:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA27556 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:03:14 -0700 Received: from mailin6.bigpond.com (juicer03.bigpond.com [139.134.6.79]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA27552 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:03:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host juicer03.bigpond.com [139.134.6.79] claimed to be mailin6.bigpond.com Received: from default ([139.134.4.51]) by mailin6.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GIE06D00.86V for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:08:37 +1000 Received: from 144.138.88.202 ([144.138.88.202]) by mail7.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9g 15/8376774); 21 Aug 2001 08:02:48 Message-ID: <001701c129c5$3bd20400$ca588a90@default> From: "Warwick Anderson" To: References: <000801c12904$d3943cc0$b3508a90@default> <5.1.0.14.2.20010820091330.01be09d0@spinach.harvestroad.com> <005a01c12971$e3ab9280$351b32d2@ajasonm> Subject: Re: Air flow meter Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:12:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I never did any of the work. I just took it for a drive when it was finished. the owner claims 310KW, but I wasn't that impressed with it (no matter how you dress it up, a commodore is still a four door family car!) the owner asked me what I thought gave the smallest power, out of the cam, puter, or airflow meter. I said air flow meter, and he said the CAM was the smallest change, and that the airflow meter gave the biggest change. It cost $5500 all up. It may well have the GTS speed density thingy, as the owner wouldn't really know what it was. The work was done by a company in Brisbane who have a fairly good name and run a V8 supercar team. the Dyno work was done by a different company to. If you need Holden programs and gear, you need a good friend at a Holden dealer. I used to work for Holden as a supervisor, and if you wanted anything like that done while I was on I would be more than happy to do it for you. Its a bit harder now, because thay have clamped down on HSV stuff. But make friends with your local HSV spanner spinner, the guy on the floor who does the work, can get you what you need. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel" To: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:16 PM Subject: Re: Air flow meter > I think you will find our Australian 300kw GTS had the C4B motor which is > speed density so if you got the GTS PCM to work in the 220kw motor and > installed the GTS cam and head package you should not use the airflow meter > . > The airflow meter is only used on the 220kw and 250kw versions. > > How did you get the GTS pcm to work ? HSV are unwilling to sell a PCM with > the GTS program in it and even when we got one , no dealer would update the > BCM to suit SO IT WAS USELESS. > > The Aussie LS1 has been programmed too rich by Holden at WOT so people have > been finding good performance gains by "porting the maf" and recalibrated > mafs to lean off the WOT fuelling - the gain is directly proportional to > what version of software your PCM runs as I have seen guys that had gains , > loose power when they sent there car in for a service and a new version of > software was installed (to fix other issues) . > > The best gain I have got so far for the dollars is to fit the supercharger ! > > Daniel Collins > > > > > after each change, and the thing that gave the greatest > > > >performance boost (according to the dyno sheets) was the air flow > meter! > > > > Now if the air flow meter just measures air flow, how is it so? > > > > > Don't the Corvette's use something like the LS3 or the LT3? I thought they > > had a touch less power output (270-odd or 280-odd kW), but were a lot > better, > > shall we say, "engineered"? > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 17:42:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA28408 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:42:38 -0700 Received: from perama01.erggroup.com (perama01.erggroup.com [203.23.26.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA28404 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:42:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Re: Air flow meter To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Dan Zorde" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:41:58 +0800 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on aupera03/ERG_Group(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/21/2001 08:41:59 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org One of the guys here at work is an ex industrial designer from Holden, and he was telling me that the 5.7L Commodore engine was extremely choked when it arrived in the standard trim from USA. The first thing Holden did was throw away the throttle body and airflow meter to gain some significant hp (although couldn't tell me how many). The apparent reason for choked intake is due to lack of traction control on the US cars with this engine (can someone verify this ??). Holden just automatically fits traction control to anything high power so that solved the wheel spin problems. Dan dzorde@erggroup.com Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA28655 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:25:34 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA28651 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:25:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:25:33 -0400 Received: from [216.177.30.93] by grolen.com id ab270.wrk; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:25:14 EDT Message-ID: <3B81B86F.451E8186@grolen.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:25:03 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "diy_efi@diy-efi.org" Subject: Injector info wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Looking for flow rates for bosch injector number 0 280 150 737. Thanks Shannen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 18:36:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA28752 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:36:32 -0700 Received: from spinach.harvestroad.com.au (spinach.harvestroad.com.au [203.103.97.16]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA28745 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:36:23 -0700 Received: from chris.harvestroad.com (octopus.harvestroad.com.au [203.103.97.30]) by spinach.harvestroad.com.au (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f7L1aH402705 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:36:17 +0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010821093605.03900d38@spinach.harvestroad.com> X-Sender: chris@spinach.harvestroad.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:37:19 +0800 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Chris Waltham Subject: Re: Re: Air flow meter In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >One of the guys here at work is an ex industrial designer from Holden, >and he was telling me that the 5.7L Commodore engine was extremely >choked when it arrived in the standard trim from USA. The first thing >Holden did was throw away the throttle body and airflow meter to gain >some significant hp (although couldn't tell me how many). The apparent >reason for choked intake is due to lack of traction control on the US >cars with this engine (can someone verify this ??). Holden just >automatically fits traction control to anything high power so that >solved the wheel spin problems. I'd be interested to see exactly which cars the LS1 engine is fitted to in the USA - I can't remember which ones off the top of my head, but as I said before, I think that the Corvette is *not* one of the cars that comes with it. Who knows, perhaps GM fits the LS1 to a Monte Carlo or something ;) That said, haven't there been some issues w/ LS1s in regards to oil pumps failing? Or something along those lines.. Chris >Dan dzorde@erggroup.com > > > >< >a >and >< In theory a reduction in intake tract restriction should show an >does >< I've tried them (late MAFs), with and without screens, and airfoils, >and >application the ><3.5 in a 3.0 with the screens, and the airfoil, and supports removed >were > > > > >---------------------------- ERG Group -------------------------- > The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential > and may only be read by the intended recipient. >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org -- Chris Waltham Systems Administrator HarvestRoad, Limited. chris@harvestroad.com phone: (08) 9338-3000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 19:02:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA29299 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:02:51 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA29292 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:02:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:02:54 -0400 Received: from [216.177.30.93] by grolen.com id b0540.wrk; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:02:42 EDT Message-ID: <3B81C136.633A61CC@grolen.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:02:30 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Air flow meter References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010821093605.03900d38@spinach.harvestroad.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The only car currently fitted with the LS1 in the us is the Corvette. There are no front wheel drive cars equipped with the LS1. Some pickup trucks have engines related to the LS1, but these engines have different heads and/or camshafts and/or displacement than the LS1. Shannen Chris Waltham wrote: > > >One of the guys here at work is an ex industrial designer from Holden, > >and he was telling me that the 5.7L Commodore engine was extremely > >choked when it arrived in the standard trim from USA. The first thing > >Holden did was throw away the throttle body and airflow meter to gain > >some significant hp (although couldn't tell me how many). The apparent > >reason for choked intake is due to lack of traction control on the US > >cars with this engine (can someone verify this ??). Holden just > >automatically fits traction control to anything high power so that > >solved the wheel spin problems. > > I'd be interested to see exactly which cars the LS1 engine is fitted > to in the USA - I can't remember which ones off the top of my head, > but as I said before, I think that the Corvette is *not* one of the > cars that comes with it. Who knows, perhaps GM fits the LS1 to > a Monte Carlo or something ;) > > That said, haven't there been some issues w/ LS1s in regards to oil > pumps failing? Or something along those lines.. > > Chris > > >Dan dzorde@erggroup.com > > > > > > > > > >< > > >a > > >and > > >< In theory a reduction in intake tract restriction should show an > > >does > > > >< I've tried them (late MAFs), with and without screens, and airfoils, > >and > > >application the > ><3.5 in a 3.0 with the screens, and the airfoil, and supports removed > >were > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------- ERG Group -------------------------- > > The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential > > and may only be read by the intended recipient. > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > -- > Chris Waltham > Systems Administrator > HarvestRoad, Limited. > chris@harvestroad.com > phone: (08) 9338-3000 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 19:06:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA29367 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:06:19 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA29363 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:06:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:06:24 -0400 Received: from [216.177.30.93] by grolen.com id b0c20.wrk; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:06:04 EDT Message-ID: <3B81C201.31B414FF@grolen.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:05:53 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: More details: Injector info wanted References: <3B81B86F.451E8186@grolen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org These injectors are listed as fitting the Audi 2.2l engine. Any good Audi site links will be welcomed also. Shannen Shannen Durphey wrote: > > Looking for flow rates for bosch injector number 0 280 150 737. > > Thanks > Shannen > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 19:36:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA29756 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:36:19 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA29752 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:36:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:36:24 -0400 Received: from [216.177.30.93] by grolen.com id b4840.wrk; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:36:08 EDT Message-ID: <3B81C90C.422C4C7@grolen.com> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:35:56 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Air flow meter References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010821093605.03900d38@spinach.harvestroad.com> <3B81C136.633A61CC@grolen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Apologies.... The LS1 is also supplied in F cars, Camaros and Firebirds. Shannen Shannen Durphey wrote: > > The only car currently fitted with the LS1 in the us is the Corvette. > > There are no front wheel drive cars equipped with the LS1. > > Some pickup trucks have engines related to the LS1, but these engines have > different heads and/or camshafts and/or displacement than the LS1. > Shannen > > Chris Waltham wrote: > > > > >One of the guys here at work is an ex industrial designer from Holden, > > >and he was telling me that the 5.7L Commodore engine was extremely > > >choked when it arrived in the standard trim from USA. The first thing > > >Holden did was throw away the throttle body and airflow meter to gain > > >some significant hp (although couldn't tell me how many). The apparent > > >reason for choked intake is due to lack of traction control on the US > > >cars with this engine (can someone verify this ??). Holden just > > >automatically fits traction control to anything high power so that > > >solved the wheel spin problems. > > > > I'd be interested to see exactly which cars the LS1 engine is fitted > > to in the USA - I can't remember which ones off the top of my head, > > but as I said before, I think that the Corvette is *not* one of the > > cars that comes with it. Who knows, perhaps GM fits the LS1 to > > a Monte Carlo or something ;) > > > > That said, haven't there been some issues w/ LS1s in regards to oil > > pumps failing? Or something along those lines.. > > > > Chris > > > > >Dan dzorde@erggroup.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >< > > > > >a > > > > >and > > > > >< In theory a reduction in intake tract restriction should show an > > > > >does > > > > > > >< I've tried them (late MAFs), with and without screens, and airfoils, > > >and > > > > >application the > > ><3.5 in a 3.0 with the screens, and the airfoil, and supports removed > > >were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------- ERG Group -------------------------- > > > The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential > > > and may only be read by the intended recipient. > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > > >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > -- > > Chris Waltham > > Systems Administrator > > HarvestRoad, Limited. > > chris@harvestroad.com > > phone: (08) 9338-3000 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 19:39:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA29787 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:39:10 -0700 Received: from demai05.mw.mediaone.net (demai05.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.1.56]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA29778 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:39:02 -0700 Received: from josh (nic-131-c101-92.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.101.92]) by demai05.mw.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f7L2bbh08119 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02d901c129e8$f07f2360$5c658318@mw.mediaone.net> From: "Josh Ely" To: References: <200108150800.BAA08933@hektor.valesh.com> <01081505575503.21580@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: building boards Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:26:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I REALLY don't want to step on any toe's. I am fairly new to the list and I love it! I am not very good at building electrical devices, so this would be a great option for me if it does become availible. I hope that I am not excluded from being able to own a DIY-WB O2 because I can't assemble the components my self. Also, being that I work in the automotive industry I can "feel" for someone that is subject to lay off! If there is a question as to someone profiting from these. I don't understand why I can't pay someone to assemble it for me? Does it mean that I am doomed to not owning a diy-wb O2 because I am not as talented as most people on this list? Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:57 AM Subject: Re: building boards > On Wednesday 15 August 2001 03:00, you wrote: > > Sept 1 the lady at work that builds boards our proto is laid off . could talk > to her and she could build yours and others for price . doing it 15 yrs > > Steve > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Aug 20 20:01:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA30158 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:01:23 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA30151 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:01:15 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.113]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010821030114.VHAH29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:01:14 -0400 Message-ID: <037801c00b1c$0e09ffa0$6a0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <200108150800.BAA08933@hektor.valesh.com> <01081505575503.21580@localhost.localdomain> <02d901c129e8$f07f2360$5c658318@mw.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: building boards Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:01:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Have you thought to make a sincere and total effort at learning how?. Have you thought of really trying to make enough connections to barter for it?. Sure it's easy to give up and quit. Bruce From: "Josh Ely" > I REALLY don't want to step on any toe's. I am fairly new to the list and I > love it! I am not very good at building electrical devices, so this would be > a great option for me if it does become availible. I hope that I am not > excluded from being able to own a DIY-WB O2 because I can't assemble the > components my self. Also, being that I work in the automotive industry I can > "feel" for someone that is subject to lay off! If there is a question as to > someone profiting from these. I don't understand why I can't pay someone to > assemble it for me? Does it mean that I am doomed to not owning a diy-wb O2 > because I am not as talented as most people on this list? > Josh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:57 AM > Subject: Re: building boards > > > > On Wednesday 15 August 2001 03:00, you wrote: > > > > Sept 1 the lady at work that builds boards our proto is laid off . could > talk > > to her and she could build yours and others for price . doing it 15 yrs > > > > Steve > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 21 00:24:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA31943 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:24:56 -0700 Received: from smtp02.iprimus.net.au (www02.pod02.corp.iprimus.net.au [203.134.65.107]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA31939 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:24:49 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host www02.pod02.corp.iprimus.net.au [203.134.65.107] claimed to be smtp02.iprimus.net.au Received: from ajasonm ([210.50.25.4]) by smtp02.iprimus.net.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3571); Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:24:38 +1000 Message-ID: <002a01c12a12$894d3180$041932d2@ajasonm> From: "Daniel" To: References: Subject: Re: Re: Air flow meter Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:26:02 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2001 07:24:38.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[5649F570:01C12A12] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org That sounds a bit odd as the Aussie cars are down on power compared to the Camaro / Firebird I know that Holden put a exhaust restriction in the non HSV cars where the header flange is. Put the HSV exhaust on and its straight up to 250KW. Our PCM is supposedly detuned as well as runs a lot richer at WOT than the yank cars. Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Zorde" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Re: Re: Air flow meter > > One of the guys here at work is an ex industrial designer from Holden, > and he was telling me that the 5.7L Commodore engine was extremely > choked when it arrived in the standard trim from USA. The first thing > Holden did was throw away the throttle body and airflow meter to gain > some significant hp (although couldn't tell me how many). The apparent > reason for choked intake is due to lack of traction control on the US > cars with this engine (can someone verify this ??). Holden just > automatically fits traction control to anything high power so that > solved the wheel spin problems. > > Dan dzorde@erggroup.com > > > > < > a > and > < In theory a reduction in intake tract restriction should show an > does > < I've tried them (late MAFs), with and without screens, and airfoils, > and > application the > <3.5 in a 3.0 with the screens, and the airfoil, and supports removed > were > > > > > ---------------------------- ERG Group -------------------------- > The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential > and may only be read by the intended recipient. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Aug 21 01:39:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA32583 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:39:05 -0700 Received: from perama01.erggroup.com (perama01.erggroup.com [203.23.26.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id BAA32579 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:38:58 -0700 Subject: Re: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #704 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Dan Zorde" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:38:25 +0800 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on aupera03/ERG_Group(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 08/21/2001 04:38:26 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I guess that what the engineers do with a new toy and what makes it on the road are two different things. One reason for the restrictor could be the decrease in power on purpose as I'm not sure the non-HSV cars are fitted with traction control. And you don't really w