From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 13:00:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA22651 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:00:36 -0700 Received: from dribble.cme.nist.gov (dribble.cme.nist.gov [129.6.32.31]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA22637 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:00:12 -0700 Received: from u0s9r2.nist.gov (asynce032.nist.gov [129.6.31.32]) by dribble.cme.nist.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12782 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 15:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010902160229.00a18560@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> X-Sender: brenegar@mailhub.cme.nist.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 16:03:34 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Brian Renegar Subject: Re: DIY-WB construction question In-Reply-To: <001301c1335c$a5780a80$20613942@triad.rr.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010831234954.00a1ac70@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010901221543.00a1d440@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >J9 & J10 are the cal resistor. You can run wire out to the plug on the >sensor where the cal resistor is located or measure it and place a like >resistor across J9 & J10. I'm running the wire out and back. Mark Ok, I guess I don't know how the sensor is set up then. I thought that the cal resistor was wired within the 5 wires on the connector. Is that not the case? Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 13:07:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA22827 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:07:22 -0700 Received: from mail5.triad.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA22822; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:07:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52] claimed to be mail5.triad.rr.com Received: from markrile ([66.57.97.32]) by mail5.triad.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:06:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c133eb$7a058dc0$20613942@triad.rr.com> From: "Mark S. Riley" To: "GM-ECM List" , "diy-efi list" Subject: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:11:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Got the board finished and mounted in the box to the lid like Bob R did. Put the terminal strip on the top side of the lid. Got everything hooked up and it heated but voltage stayed at 2.48 volt. Took it back apart and I put the led in backwards and had one of the leads on capacitor C7 touching the trace crossing under it. Not quite the way it's supposed to be. Repaired those goofs and it works!! Clean air voltage is 3.98 and sticking it in the end of the tail pipe on my Escort shows voltages down to 2.2 volt just patting the gas pedal. Now have to put a bung in front of the cat to get more accurate part throttle readings. Am going to make a two bung pipe kinda like Bruce's so I can check it against Horiba driving around. Later, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 13:17:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA23054 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:17:42 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA23039; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:17:13 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.172]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010902201656.NIHW333.lateralus@bruce>; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:16:56 -0400 Message-ID: <009501c0151a$d3e977c0$ac0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: , References: <000701c133eb$7a058dc0$20613942@triad.rr.com> Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:17:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm probably as excited as you, to hear it's working... POWWOW should be even more fun with some WBs here. Bruce From: "Mark S. Riley" Subject: DIY-WB... It's alive... > Got the board finished and mounted in the box to the lid like Bob R did. Put > the terminal strip on the top side of the lid. Got everything hooked up and > it heated but voltage stayed at 2.48 volt. Took it back apart and I put the > led in backwards and had one of the leads on capacitor C7 touching the trace > crossing under it. Not quite the way it's supposed to be. Repaired those > goofs and it works!! Clean air voltage is 3.98 and sticking it in the end of > the tail pipe on my Escort shows voltages down to 2.2 volt just patting the > gas pedal. Now have to put a bung in front of the cat to get more accurate > part throttle readings. Am going to make a two bung pipe kinda like Bruce's > so I can check it against Horiba driving around. Later, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 14:02:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA23652 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:02:11 -0700 Received: from Mail6.triad.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA23645 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:02:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53] claimed to be Mail6.triad.rr.com Received: from markrile ([66.57.97.32]) by Mail6.triad.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:01:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c133f3$34d79e20$20613942@triad.rr.com> From: "Mark S. Riley" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010831234954.00a1ac70@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010901221543.00a1d440@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010902160229.00a18560@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> Subject: Re: DIY-WB construction question Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:57:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The plug on the sensor is actually an 8 pin unit. 5 are used for the heater and sensor, 1 is blanked off, and the last 2 are where the cal resistor is located. It works. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Renegar" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: DIY-WB construction question > > >J9 & J10 are the cal resistor. You can run wire out to the plug on the > >sensor where the cal resistor is located or measure it and place a like > >resistor across J9 & J10. I'm running the wire out and back. Mark > > > Ok, I guess I don't know how the sensor is set up then. I thought that the > cal resistor was wired within the 5 wires on the connector. Is that not > the case? > > Brian > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 14:19:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA23814 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:19:52 -0700 Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA23809 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:19:44 -0700 Received: from [216.232.168.36] (helo=Snoopy) by mail.islandnet.com with ESMTP id 15deeY-0008jg-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 14:19:38 -0700 From: "John Dammeyer" To: Subject: RE: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:23:43 -0700 Organization: Automation Artisans Inc. Message-ID: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <000701c133eb$7a058dc0$20613942@triad.rr.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I have a question about O2 sensors in general. On a fuel injection setup where the ignition has a bad miss or even fails for a 1/4 second while injection continues, will the O2 sensor go rich because the fuel isn't being burnt or lean because the O2 is still in the mixture. That then begs the question. If the Stochimetric condition is when all the O2 used to burn all the fuel, how can it ever show a rich condition? Regards, John Dammeyer -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Mark S. Riley Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 1:11 PM To: GM-ECM List; diy-efi list Subject: DIY-WB... It's alive... Got the board finished and mounted in the box to the lid like Bob R did. Put the terminal strip on the top side of the lid. Got everything hooked up and it heated but voltage stayed at 2.48 volt. Took it back apart and I put the led in backwards and had one of the leads on capacitor C7 touching the trace crossing under it. Not quite the way it's supposed to be. Repaired those goofs and it works!! Clean air voltage is 3.98 and sticking it in the end of the tail pipe on my Escort shows voltages down to 2.2 volt just patting the gas pedal. Now have to put a bung in front of the cat to get more accurate part throttle readings. Am going to make a two bung pipe kinda like Bruce's so I can check it against Horiba driving around. Later, Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 14:38:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA24033 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:38:51 -0700 Received: from mail1.iiss.qantas.com.au (mail1.qantas.com.au [139.163.83.75]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA24029 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:38:44 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mail1.qantas.com.au [139.163.83.75] claimed to be mail1.iiss.qantas.com.au Received: from sydqabnt13-ns.qantas.com.au (unknown [10.42.44.29]) by mail1.iiss.qantas.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFB217627 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:37:52 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: Wide Band O2 Sensor Project To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Don DRI05 Ricciardiello" Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:38:09 +1000 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on QFSYDMST02/QANTAS(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 03/09/2001 07:34:43 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Any hints to this link for the digital readout? regds Don The WB O2 output is used for datalogging, or there is a digital readout available from an Australian firm for about $39.00 (you'll have to search back through a couple of weeks of the DIY EFI mail to find the link). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 15:22:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA24387 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 15:22:42 -0700 Received: from Mail6.triad.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24380 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 15:22:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53] claimed to be Mail6.triad.rr.com Received: from markrile ([66.57.97.32]) by Mail6.triad.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:22:24 -0400 Message-ID: <03d501c133fe$7054cd00$20613942@triad.rr.com> From: "Mark S. Riley" To: References: Subject: Re: Wide Band O2 Sensor Project Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:27:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/FMD.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don DRI05 Ricciardiello" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Wide Band O2 Sensor Project > > Any hints to this link for the digital readout? > > regds > > Don > > > > > > > The WB O2 output is used for datalogging, or there is a digital readout > available from an Australian firm for about $39.00 (you'll have to search > back > through a couple of weeks of the DIY EFI mail to find the link). > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 15:55:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA24662 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 15:55:54 -0700 Received: from eid01.eidnet.org ([206.191.105.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA24658 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 15:55:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [206.191.105.11] claimed to be eid01.eidnet.org Received: from oemcomputer ([206.191.105.64]) by eid01.eidnet.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59363U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:48:14 -0600 Message-ID: <003101c13402$8d362780$a4d1fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Programmer" To: References: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:56:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > I have a question about O2 sensors in general. On a fuel injection > setup where the ignition has a bad miss or even fails for a 1/4 second > while injection continues, will the O2 sensor go rich because the fuel > isn't being burnt or lean because the O2 is still in the mixture.<< Yes--the overall AFR goes richer, as the missfire is "calculated" as being lean. It's interpretted as being lean because of excess O2 in the exhaust. The same thing happens with any false air ahead of the O2 sensor. > That then begs the question. If the Stochimetric condition is when all > the O2 used to burn all the fuel, how can it ever show a rich > condition?<< Because of the type of O2 sensor, it only works in a very narrow band around 14.7--not all the O2 is gone, however...there's still enough for proper converter operation. Lyndon. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org] On > Behalf Of Mark S. Riley > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 1:11 PM > To: GM-ECM List; diy-efi list > Subject: DIY-WB... It's alive... > > > Got the board finished and mounted in the box to the lid like Bob R did. > Put the terminal strip on the top side of the lid. Got everything hooked > up and it heated but voltage stayed at 2.48 volt. Took it back apart and > I put the led in backwards and had one of the leads on capacitor C7 > touching the trace crossing under it. Not quite the way it's supposed to > be. Repaired those goofs and it works!! Clean air voltage is 3.98 and > sticking it in the end of the tail pipe on my Escort shows voltages down > to 2.2 volt just patting the gas pedal. Now have to put a bung in front > of the cat to get more accurate part throttle readings. Am going to make > a two bung pipe kinda like Bruce's so I can check it against Horiba > driving around. Later, Mark > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 17:03:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA25090 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:03:28 -0700 Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA25086 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:03:22 -0700 Received: from mediaone.net (setheahsd.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.244.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8303CZ09555 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B92C8C1.C5F96C4B@mediaone.net> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 20:03:12 -0400 From: Seth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: D-Jetronic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I would suggest making a measurement at the connector to the ECU. Some D-jets have a idle air bypass that can stick open or closed and this can cause the same symptoms as well. -Seth "Ron A. Bendiks" wrote: > > Seth, > Thanks for responding. Yes, the sensor seems ok. I checked for proper ohms > to temperature. Did not check the connection back to the ECU. Is there a > proper way, or can I just check wire continuity or ohms at the ECU? > Thanks, > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf > Of Seth > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 1:54 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: D-Jetronic > > Sounds like it isn't sensing engine temperature correctly. Have you > checked the output of the sensor and the connection all the way back to > the ECU? > > "Ron A. Bendiks" wrote: > > > > Hello Listers, > > I'm new to the list. My name is Ron Bendiks, I'm from Valparaiso, IN. > I've > > posted this problem on other lists with no successful solutions. I'm > hoping > > you can help me. I have a 1974 Mercedes 450SL. The car starts right up, > > idles on high for a while, etc., but when I drive it cold, it misfires > until > > it is warmed up to 180 degrees. When warm, it runs like new. I'm fresh > out > > of ideas. Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > > Ron A. Bendiks > > 1974 450SL > > 57,000 miles > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 17:11:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA25168 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:11:39 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA25163 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:11:32 -0700 Received: from [216.107.3.30] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 32315462 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 20:11:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3B92CB84.D7EDF98E@nni.com> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 20:15:00 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... References: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org As mentioned the O2 sensor responds first & foremost to O2. When the exhaust is stoich, the partial pressure of O2 in the atmosphere will cause the O2 sensor to generate ~450mV. In order for the O2 sensor to detect a rich condition, there is a platinum coating on the sensor cone. Platinum being the catalyst it is will burn off the HC by pulling O2 through the porus cone. This action generates a voltage > 450mV. BobR. John Dammeyer wrote: > I have a question about O2 sensors in general. On a fuel injection > setup where the ignition has a bad miss or even fails for a 1/4 second > while injection continues, will the O2 sensor go rich because the fuel > isn't being burnt or lean because the O2 is still in the mixture. > > That then begs the question. If the Stochimetric condition is when all > the O2 used to burn all the fuel, how can it ever show a rich > condition? > > Regards, > > John Dammeyer > > -----Original Message----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 17:18:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA25259 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:18:10 -0700 Received: from eid01.eidnet.org ([206.191.105.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA25255 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:18:04 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [206.191.105.11] claimed to be eid01.eidnet.org Received: from oemcomputer ([206.191.105.67]) by eid01.eidnet.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59363U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:10:33 -0600 Message-ID: <001901c1340e$0d1745a0$a4d1fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Programmer" To: References: <3B92805C.FF73820A@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: D-Jetronic Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:19:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bad thermo time switch ? Sticking auxiliary air valve ? Lyndon > "Ron A. Bendiks" wrote: > > > > Hello Listers, > > I'm new to the list. My name is Ron Bendiks, I'm from Valparaiso, IN. I've > > posted this problem on other lists with no successful solutions. I'm hoping > > you can help me. I have a 1974 Mercedes 450SL. The car starts right up, > > idles on high for a while, etc., but when I drive it cold, it misfires until > > it is warmed up to 180 degrees. When warm, it runs like new. I'm fresh out > > of ideas. Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Thanks, > > Ron A. Bendiks > > 1974 450SL > > 57,000 miles > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 17:41:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA25485 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:41:02 -0700 Received: from femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.21]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA25480 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:40:54 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.7.95.237]) by femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010903003927.QMIY14944.femail31.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:39:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3B92D479.D9825CAF@home.com> Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 17:53:15 -0700 From: Doug Dayson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Any Available PCB's In The US Currently? References: <001001c1330d$245a65a0$0100a8c0@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org So are PCB's currently available in the US? I must have missed this whole PCB offering somehow...??? If no, amnytime soon? Thanks... Doug J-----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org] On > Behalf Of Bruce > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 6:43 AM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: Wide Band O2 Sensor Project > > There has been more then one batch of boards. > The first batch weren't open to the public, it was a matter of ordering > a few, and just seeing what they looked like, how they assembled, and if > they > worked. Then boards were offered to the public, that's where things > are. > Bruce > > > I have yet to recieve confirmation for my boards or parts kits order, > > and I don't think I'm the only one, and it's getting me a little > worried > > since some people have already recieved boards. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 17:48:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA25565 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:48:28 -0700 Received: from dribble.cme.nist.gov (dribble.cme.nist.gov [129.6.32.31]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA25561 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:48:21 -0700 Received: from u0s9r2.nist.gov (asynce015.nist.gov [129.6.31.15]) by dribble.cme.nist.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14161 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010902204533.00a1eb30@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> X-Sender: brenegar@mailhub.cme.nist.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 20:51:17 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Brian Renegar Subject: Re: DIY-WB construction question In-Reply-To: <001d01c133f3$34d79e20$20613942@triad.rr.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010831234954.00a1ac70@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010901221543.00a1d440@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010902160229.00a18560@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >The plug on the sensor is actually an 8 pin unit. 5 are used for the heater >and sensor, 1 is blanked off, and the last 2 are where the cal resistor is >located. It works. Mark Ok, so the cal resistor is located in the connector? Then what is the silver crimped cylinder on the wires in this picture: ftp://diy-efi.org/pub/diy_efi/project_files/diy_wb1/wb-sensor.jpg I thought that's where the resistor was located. Also, can the resistor be moved from the sensor to the board, or is it just better to run all 7 wires out to the sensor? Thanks, Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 18:02:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA25716 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:02:04 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au ([139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA25711 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:01:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00289 for ; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:15:53 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B92D739.E5065F3B@techedge.com.au> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:04:58 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase References: <03d501c133fe$7054cd00$20613942@triad.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Most of this is relevant only to potential Australian purchasers of the DIY-WB PCB & sensor. PCB --- People keeping up with the list would have heard that the Australian group purchase closed a while ago. We couldn't produce a local PCB at as low a cost as the US group buy, so I've decided to get the boards as part of the US group buy too. I also decided to order a few extra boards on the basis that more people would want PCBs after the Oz group buy closed. Board may even be as low as AU$10 (1 off) shipped to your door. But these excess PCBs will be sold strictly on a first come first serve basis. PARTS KIT --------- I've decide to go out on a limb and offer a DIY-WB kit of parts to all local PCB purchasers. It will be at cost + AU$20. It's still DIY, all I'm offering is a means to save people the time they would otherwise each individually spend sourcing these parts from a few different places. I'm certainly not doing this as a money making proposition as my time is more valuable than the hourly rate I'd be notionally making, but I'm doing it to make the point that DIY does not have to mean people are not recompensed for extra work they offer. I can expand on my expressed attitude if anyone is not happy with this brief explanation. Sensor connector may be a problem unless there are a lot of junkyard Hondas MY 93-96 with the same headlight harness connector as the US models (thanks for the info Mark Riley). SENSOR ------ As PCBs have not shipped yet, I have not actually finalised the Honda/NTK sensor group purchase (which is currently at qty. 15). All PCB purchasers have been given the opportunity to beat The Parts Bin price of US$117.78 + freight - if we can do better, then I'll go with that, but that looks like the best deal. I've also reminded people that freight will be added and GST may be a factor too. US$117.78 is about AU$225. Landed price will some tens of AU$s higher. ORDERS ------ Bottom line is, if you want a DIY-WB PCB, a parts kit, or a sensor then your time is limited. Peter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 18:42:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA26064 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:42:48 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA26060; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:42:35 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.193]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010903014228.NTJM333.lateralus@bruce>; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:42:28 -0400 Message-ID: <011d01c01548$4ddc84a0$ac0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: , References: <03d501c133fe$7054cd00$20613942@triad.rr.com> <3B92D739.E5065F3B@techedge.com.au> Subject: Re: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:43:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hey Bob: I'd like to buy the boards Peter ordered. I'd also like to suggest also canceling the whole PCB group buy. Now, I am Grumpy Grumpy PS. Reply to EFIWhiners.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Gargano" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 9:04 PM Subject: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase > Most of this is relevant only to potential Australian > purchasers of the DIY-WB PCB & sensor. > > PCB > --- > People keeping up with the list would have heard that the > Australian group purchase closed a while ago. We couldn't > produce a local PCB at as low a cost as the US group buy, so > I've decided to get the boards as part of the US group buy too. > I also decided to order a few extra boards on the basis that > more people would want PCBs after the Oz group buy closed. > > Board may even be as low as AU$10 (1 off) shipped to your door. > But these excess PCBs will be sold strictly on a first come first > serve basis. > > PARTS KIT > --------- > I've decide to go out on a limb and offer a DIY-WB kit of parts to > all local PCB purchasers. It will be at cost + AU$20. It's still DIY, > all I'm offering is a means to save people the time they would > otherwise each individually spend sourcing these parts from a few > different places. I'm certainly not doing this as a money making > proposition as my time is more valuable than the hourly rate I'd > be notionally making, but I'm doing it to make the point that DIY > does not have to mean people are not recompensed for extra work > they offer. I can expand on my expressed attitude if anyone is not > happy with this brief explanation. > > Sensor connector may be a problem unless there are a lot of junkyard > Hondas MY 93-96 with the same headlight harness connector as the US > models (thanks for the info Mark Riley). > > SENSOR > ------ > As PCBs have not shipped yet, I have not actually finalised the > Honda/NTK sensor group purchase (which is currently at qty. 15). > All PCB purchasers have been given the opportunity to beat The > Parts Bin price of US$117.78 + freight - if we can do better, then > I'll go with that, but that looks like the best deal. I've also > reminded people that freight will be added and GST may be a factor > too. US$117.78 is about AU$225. Landed price will some tens of AU$s > higher. > > ORDERS > ------ > Bottom line is, if you want a DIY-WB PCB, a parts kit, or a sensor > then your time is limited. > > Peter. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 19:17:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA26341 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:17:38 -0700 Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA26337 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:17:30 -0700 Received: from [216.232.168.36] (helo=Snoopy) by mail.islandnet.com with ESMTP id 15djIi-0002vI-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 19:17:24 -0700 From: "John Dammeyer" To: Subject: RE: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:21:30 -0700 Organization: Automation Artisans Inc. Message-ID: <000401c1341f$24cc3dc0$0100a8c0@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <3B92CB84.D7EDF98E@nni.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Good description but if the Stoich is 100% utilization of the O2 in the mixture how does the catalyst burn off the HC. Or is that why the WB sensors don't do much better than 10:1 AF ratio whereas they can go considerably further in the lean direction? John -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of rr Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:15 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... As mentioned the O2 sensor responds first & foremost to O2. When the exhaust is stoich, the partial pressure of O2 in the atmosphere will cause the O2 sensor to generate ~450mV. In order for the O2 sensor to detect a rich condition, there is a platinum coating on the sensor cone. Platinum being the catalyst it is will burn off the HC by pulling O2 through the porus cone. This action generates a voltage > 450mV. BobR. John Dammeyer wrote: > I have a question about O2 sensors in general. On a fuel injection > setup where the ignition has a bad miss or even fails for a 1/4 second > while injection continues, will the O2 sensor go rich because the > fuel isn't being burnt or lean because the O2 is still in the mixture. > > That then begs the question. If the Stochimetric condition is when > all the O2 used to burn all the fuel, how can it ever show a rich > condition? > > Regards, > > John Dammeyer > > -----Original Message----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 19:40:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA26577 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:40:09 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA26567 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 19:39:56 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.193]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010903023948.NWCG333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 22:39:48 -0400 Message-ID: <014c01c01550$50a484a0$ac0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <000401c1341f$24cc3dc0$0100a8c0@telus.net> Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:40:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Engines don't run at stoich.. The ecm toggles the mixture across it. In closed loop the AFR AVERAGES 14.7:1. I can't image a (conventional) gas engine being able to run at richer then 10:1. Whereas there are lean burn engines that can run really lean. The sensor is designed for a given range, if they wanted I'm sure they could set one up to run from 14.7 to 40:1, by why go so far into a range that for all practical purposes doesn't exist. Bruce From: "John Dammeyer" Subject: RE: DIY-WB... It's alive... > Good description but if the Stoich is 100% utilization of the O2 in the > mixture how does the catalyst burn off the HC. Or is that why the WB > sensors don't do much better than 10:1 AF ratio whereas they can go > considerably further in the lean direction? > John > Behalf Of rr > Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... > As mentioned the O2 sensor responds first & foremost to O2. When the > exhaust is stoich, the partial pressure of O2 in the atmosphere will > cause the O2 sensor to generate ~450mV. In order for the O2 sensor to > detect a rich condition, there is a platinum coating on the sensor cone. > Platinum being the catalyst it is will burn off the HC by pulling O2 > through the porus cone. This action generates a voltage > 450mV. > BobR. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 20:06:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA26946 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:06:46 -0700 Received: from smtp2.ns.sympatico.ca (smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.91]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA26942; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:06:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host smtp1.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.91] claimed to be smtp2.ns.sympatico.ca Received: from hostname ([142.177.86.62]) by smtp2.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with SMTP id ca; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:03:26 -0300 Message-ID: <008a01c13425$498d0ee0$db2ce2d1@expressvu.ca> From: "Ken Richardson" To: , References: <3B86315E.27965.14F534F5@localhost> <4.3.2.7.0.20010824214559.00bca1f0@pop.netzero.net> <3B885A13.5403C12B@optushome.com.au> <3B8900B0.D892A94F@clarityconnect.com> <3B8A41C9.B2E2E77D@optushome.com.au> <3B8C589F.3FACAB11@clarityconnect.com> <3B9034E0.B4E192ED@optushome.com.au> <000901c132d3$00c540e0$db2ce2d1@expressvu.ca> <3B90D137.14AD1869@optushome.com.au> <003d01c01415$63203de0$a80ac9d8@bruce> Subject: Re: ALDL Updates Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:05:27 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Richard, You're starting to sound like a troll. You make little sense at all. I shouldn't even be replying to this message. >> We now have control of what is sent as ALDL data. So you're saying you've created a replacement program for the stock program in all GM vehicles? Maybe even a complete replacement ECM with a super fast serial output? Something that's not compatible with anything but your own scan tool? Good luck trying to sell it. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" To: ; Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:06 AM Subject: ALDL Updates > From: "Richard Wakeling" > Subject: Re: DIY-WB Output Voltage Scaling > > Hi Ken, > > I guess you have had your head in the sand too. Ken I am dragging you > into > > this whether you like it or not. How does that make you feel? Just > kidding. > > Scot is not correct and neither are you. Throw away your GM's P4 data > stream > > specs. We have (Dicks Electronics) rewritten the data stream. There is no > longer > > a heart beat. We are no longer requesting data. We now have control of > what is > > sent as ALDL data. Ken do you know what this means? Do you really think > this > > is BS? I don't like BS. > > Cheers Richard. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 20:47:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA27327 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:47:03 -0700 Received: from mail8.triad.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA27323 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:46:56 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55] claimed to be mail8.triad.rr.com Received: from markrile ([66.57.97.32]) by mail8.triad.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 2 Sep 2001 23:46:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c1342b$c3ae4260$20613942@triad.rr.com> From: "Mark S. Riley" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010831234954.00a1ac70@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010901221543.00a1d440@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010902160229.00a18560@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010902204533.00a1eb30@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> Subject: Re: DIY-WB construction question Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 23:51:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I think you are referring to the kinda dogbone shaped thing in the middle of the wires. Has a clamp on the upper end of it. That is a rubber gromet for keeping the wiring off the exhaust on the Honda this was made for. On the plug facing up, there is a squarish block beside the orange and yellow wires. This is where the cal resistor lives. Yes, you could measure the resistor and put one of like resistance on the circuit board. This is how NTK calibrates different sensors so the circuit will respond the same if you had to change the sensor. Like as in killed it with leaded racing gas. New sensor, new cal resistor to make it read correctly. You could put a socket on the board and make the resistor a plug-in. This is what Bob R mentioned a while back. I found a 22 gauge 5 conductor cable over at the local CB shop and a paired red/black 18 gauge power cord for the heater circuit. Bought 30 ft of each for 2 DIY-WB's for $20.00. Taped them together about every 6". Made the power wires about 4 ft long so the box can sit in the passenger floorboard like BC Roe's pictures and get to any conceivable fuse box for power. Need to take some pictures and post them up somewhere. Tomorrow. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Renegar" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 11:51 PM Subject: Re: DIY-WB construction question > > >The plug on the sensor is actually an 8 pin unit. 5 are used for the heater > >and sensor, 1 is blanked off, and the last 2 are where the cal resistor is > >located. It works. Mark > > > Ok, so the cal resistor is located in the connector? Then what is the > silver crimped cylinder on the wires in this picture: > ftp://diy-efi.org/pub/diy_efi/project_files/diy_wb1/wb-sensor.jpg I > thought that's where the resistor was located. > > Also, can the resistor be moved from the sensor to the board, or is it just > better to run all 7 wires out to the sensor? > > Thanks, > Brian > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 20:56:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA27423 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:56:20 -0700 Received: from eid01.eidnet.org ([206.191.105.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA27417 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:56:13 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [206.191.105.11] claimed to be eid01.eidnet.org Received: from home ([206.191.105.105]) by eid01.eidnet.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59363U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:48:41 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01c134ab$e70faa20$6969bfce@home> From: "Programmer" To: References: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> <3B92CB84.D7EDF98E@nni.com> Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:09:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Does the O2 make the 450 mV, or is it bias voltage from the ECM ? Lyndon ----- Original Message ----- From: rr To: Sent: September 2, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... > > As mentioned the O2 sensor responds first & foremost to O2. When > the exhaust is stoich, the partial pressure of O2 in the atmosphere will > cause the O2 sensor to generate ~450mV. In order for the O2 sensor > to detect a rich condition, there is a platinum coating on the sensor cone. > > Platinum being the catalyst it is will burn off the HC by pulling O2 > through the porus cone. This action generates a voltage > 450mV. > > BobR. > > John Dammeyer wrote: > > > I have a question about O2 sensors in general. On a fuel injection > > setup where the ignition has a bad miss or even fails for a 1/4 second > > while injection continues, will the O2 sensor go rich because the fuel > > isn't being burnt or lean because the O2 is still in the mixture. > > > > That then begs the question. If the Stochimetric condition is when all > > the O2 used to burn all the fuel, how can it ever show a rich > > condition? > > > > Regards, > > > > John Dammeyer > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 21:17:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA27660 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:17:08 -0700 Received: from mail8.triad.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA27654 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:16:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55] claimed to be mail8.triad.rr.com Received: from markrile ([66.57.97.32]) by mail8.triad.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:16:56 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c1342f$f6a377e0$20613942@triad.rr.com> From: "Mark S. Riley" To: References: <000401c1341f$24cc3dc0$0100a8c0@telus.net> Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:16:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Stoich is not 100% utilization of the O2. Stoich is the point at which the gas emissions are the lowest and highest. I'll have to break out a book, can't remember the exact numbers but stoichimetric is not neccessarily where you might want to run your engine. But it does give the lowest emissions there. So, that's why the all the OEM's are so concerned with it. And that's why O2 sensors and all fuel air meters currently used are so concerned with it. As for the range 10:1 to approximately 22:1 is not really where gas engines run. Quite frequently meters will read over a far larger range than what is neccessary or wanted. I think the fact that the sensor will read to 20/22:1 is like the air conditioning freon sniffers. I have one of those that is so sensitive, the manufactor claims it will detect a 1 OZ. per year leak. Any idea what that kind of ratio that might be, 5 million to 1 or something ridiculous. Gasoline engine will run fairly reliably in the range of 11.5:1 up to 16.5:1. Numbers that low don't make max power and numbers that high can't make much but it will run. I don't think anyone has every come close to 100% utilization of the O2. Top Fuel might be the closest but I still think they have a long way to go to 100%. later, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dammeyer" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: RE: DIY-WB... It's alive... > Good description but if the Stoich is 100% utilization of the O2 in the > mixture how does the catalyst burn off the HC. Or is that why the WB > sensors don't do much better than 10:1 AF ratio whereas they can go > considerably further in the lean direction? > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org] On > Behalf Of rr > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:15 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... > > > > As mentioned the O2 sensor responds first & foremost to O2. When the > exhaust is stoich, the partial pressure of O2 in the atmosphere will > cause the O2 sensor to generate ~450mV. In order for the O2 sensor to > detect a rich condition, there is a platinum coating on the sensor cone. > > Platinum being the catalyst it is will burn off the HC by pulling O2 > through the porus cone. This action generates a voltage > 450mV. > > BobR. > > John Dammeyer wrote: > > > I have a question about O2 sensors in general. On a fuel injection > > setup where the ignition has a bad miss or even fails for a 1/4 second > > > while injection continues, will the O2 sensor go rich because the > > fuel isn't being burnt or lean because the O2 is still in the mixture. > > > > That then begs the question. If the Stochimetric condition is when > > all the O2 used to burn all the fuel, how can it ever show a rich > > condition? > > > > Regards, > > > > John Dammeyer > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Sun Sep 2 22:27:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA28161 for diy_efi-outgoing; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 22:27:16 -0700 Received: from dribble.cme.nist.gov (dribble.cme.nist.gov [129.6.32.31]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA28156 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 22:27:07 -0700 Received: from u0s9r2.nist.gov (asynce035.nist.gov [129.6.31.35]) by dribble.cme.nist.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15542 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 01:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010903012403.00a15eb0@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> X-Sender: brenegar@mailhub.cme.nist.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 01:30:30 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Brian Renegar Subject: Re: DIY-WB construction question In-Reply-To: <000f01c1342b$c3ae4260$20613942@triad.rr.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010831234954.00a1ac70@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010901221543.00a1d440@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010902160229.00a18560@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010902204533.00a1eb30@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Mark, thanks for the info. Yeah, I was talking about the "dogbone" looking thing. :) Pretty cool idea having the resistor matched with the sensor. Sure does make it easier to just drop a new sensor in, and still have it calibrated properly. If you get a chance, I'd sure like to see any pictures you have of the completed setup. Thanks again, Brian >I think you are referring to the kinda dogbone shaped thing in the middle of >the wires. Has a clamp on the upper end of it. That is a rubber gromet for >keeping the wiring off the exhaust on the Honda this was made for. On the >plug facing up, there is a squarish block beside the orange and yellow >wires. This is where the cal resistor lives. Yes, you could measure the >resistor and put one of like resistance on the circuit board. This is how >NTK calibrates different sensors so the circuit will respond the same if >you had to change the sensor. Like as in killed it with leaded racing gas. >New sensor, new cal resistor to make it read correctly. You could put a >socket on the board and make the resistor a plug-in. This is what Bob R >mentioned a while back. I found a 22 gauge 5 conductor cable over at the >local CB shop and a paired red/black 18 gauge power cord for the heater >circuit. Bought 30 ft of each for 2 DIY-WB's for $20.00. Taped them together >about every 6". Made the power wires about 4 ft long so the box can sit in >the passenger floorboard like BC Roe's pictures and get to any conceivable >fuse box for power. Need to take some pictures and post them up somewhere. >Tomorrow. Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 05:10:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA29581 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 05:10:14 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA29577 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 05:10:02 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.12]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010903120945.OIOX333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 08:09:45 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c0159f$f0434e20$0c0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> <3B92CB84.D7EDF98E@nni.com> <001f01c134ab$e70faa20$6969bfce@home> Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:10:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Does the O2 make the 450 mV, or is it bias voltage from the ECM ? On GMecms, the ecm generates a ~450mv at an extremely low current to sense if the O2 is connected. Disconnecting the O2 sensor, so this voltage doesn't change gets a code 13 Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 07:03:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA30645 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:03:29 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA30641 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:03:23 -0700 Received: from [216.107.3.171] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 32374145 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:03:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3B938E7A.F6A43BC2@nni.com> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:06:50 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... References: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> <3B92CB84.D7EDF98E@nni.com> <001f01c134ab$e70faa20$6969bfce@home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The general consensus has been that the ECM applies the bias. I have not found any evidence of this. Maybe some ECMs do. My belief is that the sensor that generates this voltage. BobR. Programmer wrote: > Does the O2 make the 450 mV, or is it bias voltage from the ECM ? > > Lyndon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rr > To: > Sent: September 2, 2001 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... > > > > > As mentioned the O2 sensor responds first & foremost to O2. When > > the exhaust is stoich, the partial pressure of O2 in the atmosphere will > > cause the O2 sensor to generate ~450mV. In order for the O2 sensor > > to detect a rich condition, there is a platinum coating on the sensor > cone. > > > > Platinum being the catalyst it is will burn off the HC by pulling O2 > > through the porus cone. This action generates a voltage > 450mV. > > > > BobR. > > > > John Dammeyer wrote: > > > > > I have a question about O2 sensors in general. On a fuel injection > > > setup where the ignition has a bad miss or even fails for a 1/4 second > > > while injection continues, will the O2 sensor go rich because the fuel > > > isn't being burnt or lean because the O2 is still in the mixture. > > > > > > That then begs the question. If the Stochimetric condition is when all > > > the O2 used to burn all the fuel, how can it ever show a rich > > > condition? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John Dammeyer > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 07:10:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA30794 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:10:26 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA30790; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:10:18 -0700 Received: from [216.107.3.171] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 32374695; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:10:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3B939019.BE72605A@nni.com> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:13:45 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org CC: gmecm@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase References: <03d501c133fe$7054cd00$20613942@triad.rr.com> <3B92D739.E5065F3B@techedge.com.au> <011d01c01548$4ddc84a0$ac0ac9d8@bruce> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Wow, the rules have changed. I can handle this. Since I now have a bunch of boards the cost will be at cost + $20US. Now this is hardly anything considering the amount of time & effort that we put into designing, testing, changing, retesting, prototyping, doing a schematic capture, layout, dealing with the board house, setting up a web site for orders, shipping. I'm sure everyone will understand. BobR. P.S. This is a test, a test of peoples integrity. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program. Bruce wrote: > Hey Bob: > I'd like to buy the boards Peter ordered. > > I'd also like to suggest also canceling the whole PCB group buy. > > Now, I am Grumpy > Grumpy > > PS. Reply to EFIWhiners.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Gargano" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 9:04 PM > Subject: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase > > > Most of this is relevant only to potential Australian > > purchasers of the DIY-WB PCB & sensor. > > > > PCB > > --- > > People keeping up with the list would have heard that the > > Australian group purchase closed a while ago. We couldn't > > produce a local PCB at as low a cost as the US group buy, so > > I've decided to get the boards as part of the US group buy too. > > I also decided to order a few extra boards on the basis that > > more people would want PCBs after the Oz group buy closed. > > > > Board may even be as low as AU$10 (1 off) shipped to your door. > > But these excess PCBs will be sold strictly on a first come first > > serve basis. > > > > PARTS KIT > > --------- > > I've decide to go out on a limb and offer a DIY-WB kit of parts to > > all local PCB purchasers. It will be at cost + AU$20. It's still DIY, > > all I'm offering is a means to save people the time they would > > otherwise each individually spend sourcing these parts from a few > > different places. I'm certainly not doing this as a money making > > proposition as my time is more valuable than the hourly rate I'd > > be notionally making, but I'm doing it to make the point that DIY > > does not have to mean people are not recompensed for extra work > > they offer. I can expand on my expressed attitude if anyone is not > > happy with this brief explanation. > > > > Sensor connector may be a problem unless there are a lot of junkyard > > Hondas MY 93-96 with the same headlight harness connector as the US > > models (thanks for the info Mark Riley). > > > > SENSOR > > ------ > > As PCBs have not shipped yet, I have not actually finalised the > > Honda/NTK sensor group purchase (which is currently at qty. 15). > > All PCB purchasers have been given the opportunity to beat The > > Parts Bin price of US$117.78 + freight - if we can do better, then > > I'll go with that, but that looks like the best deal. I've also > > reminded people that freight will be added and GST may be a factor > > too. US$117.78 is about AU$225. Landed price will some tens of AU$s > > higher. > > > > ORDERS > > ------ > > Bottom line is, if you want a DIY-WB PCB, a parts kit, or a sensor > > then your time is limited. > > > > Peter. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 07:12:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA30863 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:12:47 -0700 Received: from ns1.foothill.net (root@ns1.foothill.net [206.170.175.1]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA30845 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:12:33 -0700 Received: from ros54684kel1 (terryk.foothill.net [209.77.121.98]) by ns1.foothill.net (8.10.1/8.10.0) with SMTP id f83E0V622828 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <018601c13482$e1fc84a0$0400a8c0@ros54684kel1> From: "terryk" To: References: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> <3B92CB84.D7EDF98E@nni.com> <001f01c134ab$e70faa20$6969bfce@home> <3B938E7A.F6A43BC2@nni.com> Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:15:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org If you disconnect the sensor, the pin reads 450mV, right? This means the bias is from the ECM. Correct me if I'm wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rr" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... > > The general consensus has been that the ECM applies the bias. I have > not found any evidence of this. Maybe some ECMs do. My belief is > that the sensor that generates this voltage. > > BobR. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 07:52:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA31589 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:52:13 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA31585 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:52:06 -0700 Received: from [216.107.3.171] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 32378326 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:52:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3B9399E5.3D7F83D2@nni.com> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:55:34 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... References: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> <3B92CB84.D7EDF98E@nni.com> <001f01c134ab$e70faa20$6969bfce@home> <3B938E7A.F6A43BC2@nni.com> <018601c13482$e1fc84a0$0400a8c0@ros54684kel1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Just did some additional checking. The spec sheet for the LM9044 makes no mention of a bias voltage output to the O2 sensor. There is mention of an open circuit detect that forces the output of the amp to a 'home' position. On the '747 ECM there are no additional resistors conected to the ECM O2 input that would provide a bias voltage. On the test bench with the O2 + signal open the ECM reports 459mV as the sensor voltage. With a Fluke 83 measuring this input to ground the ECM then reports a 409mV O2 sensor voltage. The Fluke reports a 397 mV level on the O2 + input (open). This is quite a change for a high input impedence DVM. If I get bored later (yea right!) I'll drag the argon in from the garage and measure the output of a heated O2 sensor at stoich. While researching the NTK WB sensor I noted that the sensors reference voltage is 450mV. The UEGO control loop is required to change the pumping current to maintain that voltage. Then from the archives is an article by Paul Timmerman (ptimmerm@mashtun.JPL.NASA.GOV) that goes into detail of how an O2 sensor operates. A piece from the article: "The active mode described in this forum was an ion pump, maintaining a fixed potential VII of 0.45 volts. When you are at stoich, the simple cell is calibrated to give 0.45 volts when you have one atmoshpere with 12% oxygen near sea level." (March, 1998) So, I'll still say that it is the O2 sensor that generates the 450mV signal. BobR. terryk wrote: > If you disconnect the sensor, the pin reads 450mV, right? This means the > bias is from the ECM. > > Correct me if I'm wrong. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rr" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... > > > > > The general consensus has been that the ECM applies the bias. I have > > not found any evidence of this. Maybe some ECMs do. My belief is > > that the sensor that generates this voltage. > > > > BobR. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 07:54:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA31643 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:54:24 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA31631; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:54:09 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.12]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010903145408.UBLI29133.tiberius@bruce>; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 10:54:08 -0400 Message-ID: <00b901c015b6$e72ea980$0c0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: Cc: References: <03d501c133fe$7054cd00$20613942@triad.rr.com> <3B92D739.E5065F3B@techedge.com.au> <011d01c01548$4ddc84a0$ac0ac9d8@bruce> <3B939019.BE72605A@nni.com> Subject: Re: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:54:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "rr" Subject: Re: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase > Wow, the rules have changed. I can handle this. Since I now have a bunch > of boards the cost will be at cost + $20US. Now this is hardly anything > considering the amount of time & effort that we put into designing, testing, > changing, retesting, prototyping, doing a schematic capture, layout, dealing > with the board house, setting up a web site for orders, shipping. > I'm sure everyone will understand. > BobR. > P.S. This is a test, a test of peoples integrity. We now return you to > your regularly scheduled program. > Bruce wrote: > > Hey Bob: > > I'd like to buy the boards Peter ordered. > > I'd also like to suggest also canceling the whole PCB group buy. > > Now, I am Grumpy > > Grumpy > > PS. Reply to EFIWhiners.com > > From: "Peter Gargano" peter@techedge.com.au > > Subject: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase > > > Most of this is relevant only to potential Australian > > > purchasers of the DIY-WB PCB & sensor. > > > PCB > > > People keeping up with the list would have heard that the > > > Australian group purchase closed a while ago. We couldn't > > > produce a local PCB at as low a cost as the US group buy, so > > > I've decided to get the boards as part of the US group buy too. > > > I also decided to order a few extra boards on the basis that > > > more people would want PCBs after the Oz group buy closed. > > > > > > Board may even be as low as AU$10 (1 off) shipped to your door. > > > But these excess PCBs will be sold strictly on a first come first > > > serve basis. > > > > > > PARTS KIT > > > --------- > > > I've decide to go out on a limb and offer a DIY-WB kit of parts to > > > all local PCB purchasers. It will be at cost + AU$20. It's still DIY, > > > all I'm offering is a means to save people the time they would > > > otherwise each individually spend sourcing these parts from a few > > > different places. I'm certainly not doing this as a money making > > > proposition as my time is more valuable than the hourly rate I'd > > > be notionally making, but I'm doing it to make the point that DIY > > > does not have to mean people are not recompensed for extra work > > > they offer. I can expand on my expressed attitude if anyone is not > > > happy with this brief explanation. > > > > > > Sensor connector may be a problem unless there are a lot of junkyard > > > Hondas MY 93-96 with the same headlight harness connector as the US > > > models (thanks for the info Mark Riley). > > > > > > SENSOR > > > ------ > > > As PCBs have not shipped yet, I have not actually finalised the > > > Honda/NTK sensor group purchase (which is currently at qty. 15). > > > All PCB purchasers have been given the opportunity to beat The > > > Parts Bin price of US$117.78 + freight - if we can do better, then > > > I'll go with that, but that looks like the best deal. I've also > > > reminded people that freight will be added and GST may be a factor > > > too. US$117.78 is about AU$225. Landed price will some tens of AU$s > > > higher. > > > > > > ORDERS > > > ------ > > > Bottom line is, if you want a DIY-WB PCB, a parts kit, or a sensor > > > then your time is limited. > > > > > > Peter. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 08:03:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA31921 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 08:03:31 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA31910; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 08:03:19 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.12]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010903150312.OQQF333.lateralus@bruce>; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 11:03:12 -0400 Message-ID: <00c001c015b8$2b6b6c40$0c0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: Cc: References: <03d501c133fe$7054cd00$20613942@triad.rr.com> <3B92D739.E5065F3B@techedge.com.au> <011d01c01548$4ddc84a0$ac0ac9d8@bruce> <3B939019.BE72605A@nni.com> Subject: Re: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:03:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org You forgot the actual price for the sensors used. Tack on another $10 per board. Then depreciation on the ones used for R+D. Then the cost of sending sensors out. Mileage for the 100 mile drive to get the first few. The interest I could have made just having the money in the bank rather then floating around in never never land. The sensors that I never saw again, from guys that didn't bother to send them back when they gave up on the deal. Power for the PCs and lighting in hunting down clues. Come on Bob, you were just too nice. Ah hell just round it up to cost+ $50 a board, plus $10 handling, and then shipping. No one else seems really concerned with anyone keeping their word. Grumpy From: "rr" Subject: Re: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase > Wow, the rules have changed. I can handle this. Since I now have a bunch > of boards the cost will be at cost + $20US. Now this is hardly anything > considering the amount of time & effort that we put into designing, testing, > changing, retesting, prototyping, doing a schematic capture, layout, dealing > with the board house, setting up a web site for orders, shipping. > I'm sure everyone will understand. > BobR. > P.S. This is a test, a test of peoples integrity. We now return you to > your regularly scheduled program. > Bruce wrote: > > Hey Bob: > > I'd like to buy the boards Peter ordered. > > > > I'd also like to suggest also canceling the whole PCB group buy. > > > > Now, I am Grumpy > > Grumpy > > > > PS. Reply to EFIWhiners.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Gargano" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 9:04 PM > > Subject: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase > > > > > Most of this is relevant only to potential Australian > > > purchasers of the DIY-WB PCB & sensor. > > > > > > PCB > > > --- > > > People keeping up with the list would have heard that the > > > Australian group purchase closed a while ago. We couldn't > > > produce a local PCB at as low a cost as the US group buy, so > > > I've decided to get the boards as part of the US group buy too. > > > I also decided to order a few extra boards on the basis that > > > more people would want PCBs after the Oz group buy closed. > > > > > > Board may even be as low as AU$10 (1 off) shipped to your door. > > > But these excess PCBs will be sold strictly on a first come first > > > serve basis. > > > > > > PARTS KIT > > > --------- > > > I've decide to go out on a limb and offer a DIY-WB kit of parts to > > > all local PCB purchasers. It will be at cost + AU$20. It's still DIY, > > > all I'm offering is a means to save people the time they would > > > otherwise each individually spend sourcing these parts from a few > > > different places. I'm certainly not doing this as a money making > > > proposition as my time is more valuable than the hourly rate I'd > > > be notionally making, but I'm doing it to make the point that DIY > > > does not have to mean people are not recompensed for extra work > > > they offer. I can expand on my expressed attitude if anyone is not > > > happy with this brief explanation. > > > > > > Sensor connector may be a problem unless there are a lot of junkyard > > > Hondas MY 93-96 with the same headlight harness connector as the US > > > models (thanks for the info Mark Riley). > > > > > > SENSOR > > > ------ > > > As PCBs have not shipped yet, I have not actually finalised the > > > Honda/NTK sensor group purchase (which is currently at qty. 15). > > > All PCB purchasers have been given the opportunity to beat The > > > Parts Bin price of US$117.78 + freight - if we can do better, then > > > I'll go with that, but that looks like the best deal. I've also > > > reminded people that freight will be added and GST may be a factor > > > too. US$117.78 is about AU$225. Landed price will some tens of AU$s > > > higher. > > > > > > ORDERS > > > ------ > > > Bottom line is, if you want a DIY-WB PCB, a parts kit, or a sensor > > > then your time is limited. > > > > > > Peter. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 08:53:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA32545 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 08:53:14 -0700 Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA32541 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 08:53:07 -0700 Received: from dan500 ([12.75.147.159]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010903155234.DUEC26521.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@dan500> for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:52:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c13490$6fc067e0$6501a8c0@dan500> From: "Dan Plaskett" To: References: <200109030800.BAA28679@hektor.valesh.com> Subject: DRAC for 730 to 749 conversion Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 10:52:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In changing from 730 ECM running 1991 Corvette AXCN code to 749 ECM running SyTy code I've run into a couple of questions. First, in the Corvette code there are two VSS inputs high and low that run from the VSS sensor mounted on the transmission. The Pinout diagram for the SyTy does not use VSS inputs but instead uses a DRAC signal on pin C6. After searching and reading the archives my conclusion is that I need to obtain the DRAC to get the vehicle speed information into the ECM. I am running a mechanical speedo so I am not really concerned about the VSS outputs that normally drive the speedo but it seems that I still need the DRAC. Without it the engine would have the problems associated with running no VSS, potential for stalling, incorrect idle speed when moving, etc. Is my analysis correct? Second, pin E8 in the SyTy code is labeled CAC control. Is this a cooling fan control? I can't seem to find anything else on the SyTy that looks like the cooling fan relays on pin E8 and D12 of the Corvette code. TIA Dan Plaskett 61 Corvette TPI w dual Paxton superchargers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 09:43:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA00630 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:43:04 -0700 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA00626 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:42:57 -0700 Received: from j0w0q1 (pool0513.cvx8-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.172.3]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA19656 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Wooten" To: Subject: RE: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:42:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <018601c13482$e1fc84a0$0400a8c0@ros54684kel1> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org If I am not mistaken an O2 sensor is a voltage generating device. this is why you can "test" them with a meter & not have an ECM connected to them (the standard zirconium switch types, I am still out in the weeds on the ION pump, WB type). My understanding is also that this is part of the reason why they fail. BW > > The general consensus has been that the ECM applies the bias. I have > not found any evidence of this. Maybe some ECM's do. My belief is > that the sensor that generates this voltage. > > BobR. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 09:52:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA00813 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:52:07 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f224.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.224]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA00809 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:52:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f224.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.224] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:51:30 -0700 Received: from 132.236.178.161 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 16:51:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [132.236.178.161] From: "Santi Udomkesmalee" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Digital Tach Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 16:51:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2001 16:51:30.0560 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE370800:01C13498] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm pretty new to the DIY EFI scene and I though I would start small on my first project. Unfortunatly, I don't even know where to start. I'm interested in building a digital tachometer for a '98 Chevy Cavalier. Does anybody know how I would go about this? Currently a have very little electronic experience, so the more specific you are the more it will help. Thanks a lot. -Santi Udomkesmalee _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 11:33:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA01490 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 11:33:28 -0700 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA01486 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 11:33:19 -0700 Received: from modem-201.clown-trigger.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.250.201] helo=phil) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15dyX3-0002ki-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:33:13 +0100 Message-ID: <005901c134a6$321d96e0$c9fa883e@phil> From: "Phil Martin" To: Subject: NTK sensor Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:28:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01C134AE.93189460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C134AE.93189460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have some sensors from a Subrau WRC they dont seem to have a = calibration resistor. What do I need to do without one?=20 Phillip Martin ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C134AE.93189460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have some sensors from a Subrau = WRC they=20 dont seem to have a calibration resistor. What do I need to do without = one?=20
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C134AE.93189460-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 17:52:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA02853 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:52:54 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02848 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:52:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 20:52:21 -0400 Received: from [216.177.30.147] by grolen.com id a6960.wrk; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:52:44 EDT Message-ID: <3B9425B8.DC060BA7@grolen.com> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 20:52:08 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re:Answer to DRAC for 730 to 749 conversion References: <200109030800.BAA28679@hektor.valesh.com> <000801c13490$6fc067e0$6501a8c0@dan500> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Dan: The 749 syty code is also used in the Turbo Sunbird. Magnetic speed sensor inputs are listed as BB9 and BB10 in the FSM. Promgrammer (very slow shareware tuner from syty site) allows changing of road speed instrument panel pulse divisor (0x00f2), road speed sensor constant (0x00f4), and enable/disable magnetic speed sensor (bit 6 of 0x0334). Pin E8 is used for a cooling fan relay in this application. Shannen Dan Plaskett wrote: > > In changing from 730 ECM running 1991 Corvette AXCN code to 749 ECM running > SyTy code I've run into a couple of questions. > > First, in the Corvette code there are two VSS inputs high and low that run > from the VSS sensor mounted on the transmission. The Pinout diagram for the > SyTy does not use VSS inputs but instead uses a DRAC signal on pin C6. > After searching and reading the archives my conclusion is that I need to > obtain the DRAC to get the vehicle speed information into the ECM. I am > running a mechanical speedo so I am not really concerned about the VSS > outputs that normally drive the speedo but it seems that I still need the > DRAC. Without it the engine would have the problems associated with running > no VSS, potential for stalling, incorrect idle speed when moving, etc. Is > my analysis correct? > > Second, pin E8 in the SyTy code is labeled CAC control. Is this a cooling > fan control? I can't seem to find anything else on the SyTy that looks like > the cooling fan relays on pin E8 and D12 of the Corvette code. > > TIA > > Dan Plaskett > 61 Corvette TPI w dual Paxton superchargers > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 18:22:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA03066 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:22:40 -0700 Received: from sprocket.innovative.iinet.net.au (innovative.iinet.net.au [203.59.144.24]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA03062 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:22:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host innovative.iinet.net.au [203.59.144.24] claimed to be sprocket.innovative.iinet.net.au Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sprocket.innovative.iinet.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id JAA19899 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:22:26 +0800 Received: from UNKNOWN(203.6.142.20), claiming to be "flywheel.innovative.iinet.net.au" via SMTP by innovative.iinet.net.au, id smtpdbBTmU6; Tue Sep 4 01:22:14 2001 Received: (from bernie@localhost) by flywheel.innovative.iinet.net.au (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id f841MDN01875 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:22:13 +0800 From: Bernd Felsche Message-Id: <200109040122.f841MDN01875@flywheel.innovative.iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... In-Reply-To: from Bob Wooten at "Sep 3, 2001 09:42:56 am" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:22:12 +0800 (WST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bob Wooten tapped away at the keyboard with: > If I am not mistaken an O2 sensor is a voltage generating device. > this is why you can "test" them with a meter & not have an ECM > connected to them (the standard zirconium switch types, I am still > out in the weeds on the ION pump, WB type). My understanding is > also that this is part of the reason why they fail. The O2 sensor (Nernst cell) is a voltage generating device. A wide-band ion-pump cell consists of two main parts; the ion pump cell and a (measurement (Nernst) cell; the latter operating on the same principle as a narrow-band cell, but exposed to ions delivered/removed by the pump cell, instead of the exhaust gas itself. If the pump cell is not operating, (nett pump current zero) then the measurement will be very similar to a narrow-band cell, but probably slower. The whole point of a WB controller is to maintain that magic voltage level at the measurement cell by varying the pump cell to either draw O2 ions into the measurement cell, or to draw them out. The current required to maintain that balance is then an indication of the O2 concentration and hence lambda. -- /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! | X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature| / \ and postings | to help me spread! | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 22:12:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA04697 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 22:12:49 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA04690 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 22:12:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 01:12:15 -0400 Received: from [216.177.30.17] by grolen.com id 9910.wrk; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 01:12:36 EDT Message-ID: <3B94629F.3A55B1F9@grolen.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 01:11:59 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "diy_efi@diy-efi.org" , "gmecm@diy-efi.org" Subject: File uploaded to /incoming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org tsnbrd.bin 1988 turbo sunbird w/ 2.0l engine, manual trans bithoist id's this file as auwr3607. Shannen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Mon Sep 3 23:51:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA05510 for diy_efi-outgoing; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:51:33 -0700 Received: from r1.boston.juno.com (r1.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.45]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA05487; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:50:41 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by r1.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.7/juno-1.2) with ESMTP id AAAAA14415; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsvoQ6Q3h3dYQl2nZh/tOOW9Qw5VtcFOK6Q=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GEDVE8DR; Mon, 03 Sep 2001 00:49:05 EDT To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:49:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase Message-ID: <20010902.214928.162.11.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-15,31-32,41-44 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 11:05:45 +1000 Peter Gargano writes: > I've decide to go out on a limb and offer a DIY-WB kit of parts to > all local PCB purchasers. It will be at cost + AU$20. It's still > DIY, > all I'm offering is a means to save people the time they would > otherwise each individually spend sourcing these parts from a few > different places. I'm certainly not doing this as a money making > proposition as my time is more valuable than the hourly rate I'd > be notionally making, but I'm doing it to make the point that DIY > does not have to mean people are not recompensed for extra work > they offer. I can expand on my expressed attitude if anyone is not > happy with this brief explanation. Umm Peter, (or should I say General Motors), you seem to be arguing for an odd sort of down-under capitalism? You get the raw goods for free, from a group of people whose point (let's call it their expressed attitude, as you have) was intentionally *not* to ask for compensation for their extra work, effort, or contribution to this project, and now -you- insist on being compensated for your proposed "extra work". How is that? If you see your involvement as hired labor, and you expect more than good will and thanks as your compensation, unlike Bob-Bruce-&-team who have insisted on none of that, then it seems to me that your *attitude* being in opposition to theirs, simply means you are out. Plain and simple. They did it as a charitable project, but now you want to be compensated? Stand down man, and let someone else who is willing to continue in the original spirit, take your place. If you want a platform for your own social attitudes on how these projects should be handled, then do it with your own projects. You are crapping on this one, just to try to "make your point"? If you are man enough to refrain from bootlegging the circuit or boards, when things don't go your way (I trust you are?), then be man enough to just opt out, instead of trying to piss the donors off by sticking your "attitude" in their faces repeatedly, especially under a fake name. If it was your project and you were one of the major players, you could argue for your attitude, I suppose. But as far as I can tell, and especially from your General Motors facade posts, you are just sticking your nose where it isn't welcome, and making Grumpy even grumpier. He's hard enough to deal with as it is. Hate to say it, but I'm beginning to see why. Tnx. Brian (blockhead in learn-mode) And I'm not building with a PCB, I'm using perfboard instead, so I don't have any vested interest in the boards at all. Just don't like the General's agenda. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 05:58:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA07824 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 05:58:29 -0700 Received: from raven.toyota.com (blackice.toyota.com [63.87.74.200]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA07820 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 05:58:22 -0700 From: Scott_Hay@toyota.com X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host blackice.toyota.com [63.87.74.200] claimed to be raven.toyota.com Received: from external03.toyota.com (external03.toyota.com [10.63.12.106]) by raven.toyota.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f84Cvje11011 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 05:57:45 -0700 Received: by external03.toyota.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 88256ABD.0047B801 ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 06:03:21 -0700 X-Lotus-FromDomain: TOYOTA@TMSVEN To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Message-ID: <88256ABD.0047B64D.00@external03.toyota.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:55:52 -0400 Subject: Re: H2O Injection Pump? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bob, Look in the Northern Tool catalog for these. They are used for agricultural spraying of pesticides/herbicides. I was looking at one of the Flojet's too. Scott Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:02:14 US/Central From: chauvin@ghg.net Subject: Re: H2O Injection Pump? Bob, You can look at either Shurflo or Flojet pumps. The Flojet D7135B7011 is listed in the brochure they sent me, 100 PSI diaphragm, 12VDC, made out of "chemical resistant materials." It's not submersible, though - has 3/8" NPT connections. Perhaps a bit of top-cylinder lube added to your water/alky mix would help lubricate the seals? Redline sells some, I think, or maybe Marvel Mystery Oil. I'd also use distilled water instead of tap. I don't have any info offhand on the Shurflo. The highest pressure one I've seen from them is 60 PSI. I called them & asked if they had anything that would handle a water/alcohol mix, but they said none of them could handle any flamables, try Flojet... hth - -Mark '00 z28 stocker, need $! > I am looking for a suitable 12V high pressure pump to use with a custom > water injection system. I would prefer a submersible one similar to an > in-tank fuel pump. > Would a pump designed for a flex-fuel vehicle be able to handle a 50/50 > mix of water and methanol? > Are there cheaper alternatives to the Aquamist pump? > > Thanks for the help, > > Bob Wimmer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 06:36:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA08116 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 06:36:00 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA08112 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 06:35:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8 [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04253 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09985 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:35:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3B94D8B1.DE41C1D8@adams.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:35:45 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Digital Tach References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Santi Udomkesmalee wrote: > > I'm pretty new to the DIY EFI scene and I though I would start small on my > first project. Unfortunatly, I don't even know where to start. I'm > interested in building a digital tachometer for a '98 Chevy Cavalier. Does > anybody know how I would go about this? Currently a have very little > electronic experience, so the more specific you are the more it will help. > Thanks a lot. Santi, I've never looked, but I've always assumed that (analog) electronic tachs are just a frequency-to-voltage converter driving a voltmeter. There are probably standard parts around that already do this, so you should even be able to find data sheets and application notes giving schematics. Eric -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 06:43:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA08196 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 06:43:02 -0700 Received: from rtr250 (cp8088-a.dbsch1.nb.nl.home.com [213.51.51.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA08192 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 06:42:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cp8088-a.dbsch1.nb.nl.home.com [213.51.51.6] claimed to be rtr250 Received: from local-ip[x.x.x.x] by rtr250; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 15:45:06 +0200 From: "Bert Bakker" To: Subject: RE: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:43:19 +0200 Message-ID: <002301c13547$8f9c4d60$6401a8c0@bits.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B92D739.E5065F3B@techedge.com.au> Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org | SENSOR | ------ | As PCBs have not shipped yet, I have not actually finalised the | Honda/NTK sensor group purchase (which is currently at qty. 15). | All PCB purchasers have been given the opportunity to beat The | Parts Bin price of US$117.78 + freight - if we can do better, then | I'll go with that, but that looks like the best deal. Hi, I called a local Honda dealer over here and a sensor costs appr. US$ 325 (equivalent) excl. VAT. So your deal is much better! Is it possible to join the sensor group purchase from the Netherlands, Europe? How do we make things happen? The Honda Civic 1.5 VTEC 92-95 sensor seems to have a different number over here: 36531-P06-A01 (instead of 36531-P07-003). Is there a difference between the US and the European car model? Also, is a datasheet of the sensor available? Regards, Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 08:10:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA09033 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:10:19 -0700 Received: from mail.t-intra.de (mail.t-intra.de [62.156.146.210]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA09029 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:10:12 -0700 Received: from rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de ([217.6.108.90]) by mail.t-intra.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.507.50); Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:09:40 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: AW: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:09:32 +0200 Message-ID: <56E3A1D41F497348BB796D04459B7B200B05EC@rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase Thread-Index: AcE1TCH0aw6u6RfLQdyqe1b5IcpF5AAB1oFw From: "Rausch, Bernd" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hektor.valesh.com id IAA09030 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi Bert, I saked my local Honda dealer two weeks ago, the sensor is about DM 300+VAT in Germany. Bernd -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Bert Bakker [mailto:bert.bakker@bakker-it.nl] Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. September 2001 15:43 An: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Betreff: RE: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase | SENSOR | ------ | As PCBs have not shipped yet, I have not actually finalised the | Honda/NTK sensor group purchase (which is currently at qty. 15). | All PCB purchasers have been given the opportunity to beat The | Parts Bin price of US$117.78 + freight - if we can do better, then | I'll go with that, but that looks like the best deal. Hi, I called a local Honda dealer over here and a sensor costs appr. US$ 325 (equivalent) excl. VAT. So your deal is much better! Is it possible to join the sensor group purchase from the Netherlands, Europe? How do we make things happen? The Honda Civic 1.5 VTEC 92-95 sensor seems to have a different number over here: 36531-P06-A01 (instead of 36531-P07-003). Is there a difference between the US and the European car model? Also, is a datasheet of the sensor available? Regards, Bert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 08:12:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA09066 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:12:13 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA09040; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:11:28 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.92]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010904151126.QEZH29133.tiberius@bruce>; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:11:26 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c01682$7e930de0$5c258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: , Subject: Future Projects Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:12:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Well, due to the efforts of a vocal few, we lost a project. Couple others are still on going but we'll just have to wait and see. Just needed to enjoy a freebie. I think that the majority, were happy with the deal, but chose to sit it out like since they got what they wanted, they didn't care enough to support the non-profit end of it, by saying anything. To say more would be ranting Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 08:47:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA09586 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:47:31 -0700 Received: from smtp.clarityconnect.com (smtp.clarityconnect.com [206.64.143.9]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA09582; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:47:24 -0700 Received: from clarityconnect.com (209.150.253.126) by smtp.clarityconnect.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.1b1); Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:50:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3B94F704.89F6FE65@clarityconnect.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 11:45:08 -0400 From: Scot Sealander X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "diy_efi@diy-efi.org" , gmecm Subject: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Or, How greed screwed things up..... First, Bruce wanted a DIY_WB. He did not have the skills to do it himself. But what he did have, was the ability to get some other folks together to get it done. After numerous expensive set backs, several years, lots of prodding, poking, and learning, the first prototype was born. This came from a lot of effort from among others, Chad Clendening (did I spell that right?). Did I mention Bruce spent a lot of his own money to get sensors, data and so forth? Remember that. A few built it, and it worked. At the pow-wow last March, several others got together and realized that some of the basic prototype circuitry could be improved upon. With that task done, it was again tried, and it worked. Boards were designed, built and paid for behind the scenes by a loyal few. By this time, a lot of time, energy, dollars and work had been invested by a relatively small amount of dedicated folks. At last, a true DIY_WB was about ready for the masses. All the folks who put all that time, money, effort and dedication into the project was to ask that no one try to make any money off the deal. Pretty simple, huh? Everybody continue in the spirit that has been laid down. Pass it on for free. Then we get someone a long the line who says something like, "I will handle parts, but I need 20 dollars a piece to do it". Go back and read it, it was "cost plus". Definitely not the spirit that originally got the job done. Then to add insult to injury, we had several call the originator mean spirited for calling him on it, with the tone in the message of "I WANT MINE!". Well, you got it. Hurl your invectives at the one who wanted to make money off other peoples efforts, not the one who brought it to you. Scot Sealander ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 08:54:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA09714 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:54:59 -0700 Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA09710 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:54:51 -0700 Received: from [216.232.168.36] (helo=Snoopy) by mail.islandnet.com with ESMTP id 15eIXK-000Gub-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 08:54:50 -0700 From: "John Dammeyer" To: Subject: RE: Future Projects Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 08:58:59 -0700 Organization: Automation Artisans Inc. Message-ID: <002001c1355a$828c3500$0100a8c0@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <001901c01682$7e930de0$5c258fd1@bruce> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi Bruce, I'm a bit puzzled here. I've been following the ranting but am confused. I did ask for a link to the schematic of the WBO2 project but no one responded. Is it that 'secret'? One individual mentioned that the WBO2 he was doing was on perfboard. I understand someone did a circuit board and did a bulk purchase of boards. How has this project been lost? So many questions.... What are the answers? Regards, John Dammeyer -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 8:12 AM To: gmecm@diy-efi.org; diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Future Projects Well, due to the efforts of a vocal few, we lost a project. Couple others are still on going but we'll just have to wait and see. Just needed to enjoy a freebie. I think that the majority, were happy with the deal, but chose to sit it out like since they got what they wanted, they didn't care enough to support the non-profit end of it, by saying anything. To say more would be ranting Bruce ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 09:02:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA09844 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:02:02 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f202.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.202]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA09840 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:01:54 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f202.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.202] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:01:23 -0700 Received: from 24.50.172.2 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:01:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.50.172.2] From: "James Melton" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Future Projects Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:01:23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2001 16:01:23.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[D86597F0:01C1355A] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I don't know the details of the problem, and am not sure that I want to. I guess that I am one of the ones that could have done something to help and have been just content to use the WB project. I just wanted to say how grateful I am to those of you who give selfless service to others on the net. I will try to be more helpful in the future in some way. I dont know much about cars yet, but I do know a lot about computers and software. Don't let a few problems discourage you. A lot of things and people are not the problem, just a few that are visible. thanks again. jim melton >From: "Bruce" >Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >To: , >Subject: Future Projects >Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:12:08 -0400 > > >Well, due to the efforts of a vocal few, we lost a project. >Couple others are still on going but we'll just have to wait and see. >Just needed to enjoy a freebie. > > I think that the majority, were happy with the deal, but chose to sit it >out like since they got what they wanted, they didn't care enough to >support >the non-profit end of it, by saying anything. >To say more would be ranting >Bruce > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the >quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 09:59:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA10869 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:59:46 -0700 Received: from butterfree.innerwise.com (qmailr@ButterFree.itsyourdomain.com [63.85.86.25]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA10865 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:59:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host qmailr@ButterFree.itsyourdomain.com [63.85.86.25] claimed to be butterfree.innerwise.com Received: (qmail 8474 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2001 16:58:17 -0000 Received: from true@ItsYourDomain.Com by Butterfree with qmail-scanner-0.96 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4155. . Clean. Processed in 0.41193 secs); 04 Sep 2001 16:58:17 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: true@ItsYourDomain.Com via Butterfree X-Qmail-Scanner-Rcpt-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org X-Qmail-Scanner: 0.96 (No viruses found. Processed in 0.41193 secs) Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 16:58:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:58:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Nick Starai To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: groupbuy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Can someone please contact me with information on the group buy?? I heard US is over... is there any other way i can get in? thanks. Nick Starai Network Administrator ItsYourDomain.com 1005 W. Wise Road Schaumburg, IL 60193 (847) 895-4301 / Tel - (847) 895-4123 / Fax http://www.itsyourdomain.com true@itsyourdomain.com "The Wholesale Registrar" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 10:05:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA10953 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:05:41 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA10949 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:05:34 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsvaowfAxldlHVD6e0mcNFQf7TCxjYLbq9g=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GEHRW38V; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 13:04:49 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:05:10 -0700 Subject: Re: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? Message-ID: <20010904.100511.158.1.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-11,13-14,19-20,23-24 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 11:45:08 -0400 Scot Sealander writes: > Or, How greed screwed things up..... >Definitely not the spirit that originally got > the job done. Then to add insult to injury, we had several call > the > originator mean spirited for calling him on it, with the tone in > the > message of "I WANT MINE!". Well, you got it Deja vu all over again. Don't you guys read the archives?? You know the saying, if you can't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. One good thing. By raising the issue to a ripe stink, it is more likely that word will get out, "if you don't want to be involved in the project as purely charitable, then butt out". No way to guarantee that, but I personally think it's still worth the effort to get the idea across. Very nice idea. Even better than gnu. Reminds me of that joke, where someone has to ask, "What about NO don't you understand?". Maybe some people really just don't get the "no" part. Is that possible? Even dogs and little children understand "no". :) Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 10:07:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA10986 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:07:02 -0700 Received: from degas.artisan.calpoly.edu (root@degas.artisan.calpoly.edu [129.65.60.42]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA10976 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:06:54 -0700 From: alipper@calpoly.edu Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by degas.artisan.calpoly.edu (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA22982 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:06:34 -0700 (PDT) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:06:34 -0700 Message-Id: Subject: RE: Wanted: EFI software expert MIME-Version: 1.0 TO: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline ;Creation-Date="Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:00:12 -0700" ;Modification-Date="Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:06:34 -0700" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I understand there has been some confusion about an ad I posted several days ago requesting an EFI software expert for my company, Injection Logic. Apparently there has been some trouble with my internet provider, which will hopefully be resolved this week. I appologize if anyone has had mail returned to them as a result of these difficulties. If trouble does persist, please feel free to contact me at my personal email address: al@cardozo.org for correspondence. Information on our company may be found at www.injectionlogic.com. Thank you. Best wishes, Al Lipper, President, Injection Logic ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 10:24:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA11260 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:24:50 -0700 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA11249 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:24:36 -0700 Received: from cc693406-a.hntsvlle1.al.home.com (HELO cc693406a) (65.11.182.46) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 17:24:35 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <011c01c13566$80756c80$0200a8c0@cc693406a> From: "David Hunt" To: , "gmecm" References: <3B94F704.89F6FE65@clarityconnect.com> Subject: Re: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:24:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Just because someone wants to profit doesn't mean that someone else can't perform the service. Peter wants to be compensated for his time...so? Let him advertise his services ELSEWHERE and see if someone else wants to step up to the plate. If no one else wants to perform the service and Peter is the low bidder then let him have at it! I don't mind that Peter is performing the service. I do mind that he is advertising on this group which is definitely against the rules, as I understand them. I don't know what the exchange rate is but $5 US to fill out the paperwork, order, count and etc. is really quite reasonable. That's not the point. I feel he must ADVERTISE his services elsewhere. Just like Al Lipper who is constantly trying to get free (for all practical purposes) consulting these issues should be discussed elsewhere. The only way to solve the problem is to ignore them. Actually, I would hope that one and only one person would reply to the offer. I bet there would be no work done. To all that would profit from this list...there are about 300 members. Many of these 300 have every tool that could be imagined for this type work. Many would do it themselves if it took months and months of dedicated effort. Many would do nothing, no matter the gain. Many are in other countries. And so forth and so on. This is not a place to market any product. If all the correspondents were to purchase a product with a $5 profit it would be a total of $1,500. So both sides, get real! 1) There is no money to be made on this list - probably time won't be paid. 2) No one is offering services on this list for a PROFIT. I did artwork for a version of the WB for free and offered it, along with schematic...etc. No control, no strings etc. Regarding "What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy?" nothing yet. It's up to the Aussies. All the Aussies. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scot Sealander" To: ; "gmecm" Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? > Or, How greed screwed things up..... > > First, Bruce wanted a DIY_WB. He did not have the skills to do it > himself. But what he did have, was the ability to get some other folks > together to get it done. After numerous expensive set backs, several > years, lots of prodding, poking, and learning, the first prototype was > born. This came from a lot of effort from among others, Chad Clendening > (did I spell that right?). Did I mention Bruce spent a lot of his own > money to get sensors, data and so forth? Remember that. > > A few built it, and it worked. At the pow-wow last March, several > others got together and realized that some of the basic prototype > circuitry could be improved upon. With that task done, it was again > tried, and it worked. Boards were designed, built and paid for behind > the scenes by a loyal few. By this time, a lot of time, energy, dollars > and work had been invested by a relatively small amount of dedicated > folks. > > At last, a true DIY_WB was about ready for the masses. All the folks > who put all that time, money, effort and dedication into the project was > to ask that no one try to make any money off the deal. Pretty simple, > huh? Everybody continue in the spirit that has been laid down. Pass it > on for free. > > Then we get someone a long the line who says something like, "I will > handle parts, but I need 20 dollars a piece to do it". Go back and read > it, it was "cost plus". Definitely not the spirit that originally got > the job done. Then to add insult to injury, we had several call the > originator mean spirited for calling him on it, with the tone in the > message of "I WANT MINE!". Well, you got it. Hurl your invectives at > the one who wanted to make money off other peoples efforts, not the one > who brought it to you. > > > Scot Sealander > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 10:44:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA11540 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:44:47 -0700 Received: from butterfree.innerwise.com (qmailr@ButterFree.itsyourdomain.com [63.85.86.25]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id KAA11534 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:44:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host qmailr@ButterFree.itsyourdomain.com [63.85.86.25] claimed to be butterfree.innerwise.com Received: (qmail 9328 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2001 17:44:33 -0000 Received: from true@ItsYourDomain.Com by Butterfree with qmail-scanner-0.96 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4155. . Clean. Processed in 0.279881 secs); 04 Sep 2001 17:44:33 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: true@ItsYourDomain.Com via Butterfree X-Qmail-Scanner-Rcpt-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org X-Qmail-Scanner: 0.96 (No viruses found. Processed in 0.279881 secs) Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Sep 2001 17:44:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:44:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Nick Starai To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: oops, sorry Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I Apologize for asking about the US groupbuy..i guess i sound like a broken record. I didn't see all the latest messages/issues. I have heard about the list years ago and have been following it slightly untill the newest release when i rejoined. I'm willing to help with whatever I can to help this project continue. What's needed? WE need this... Nick Starai Network Administrator ItsYourDomain.com 1005 W. Wise Road Schaumburg, IL 60193 (847) 895-4301 / Tel - (847) 895-4123 / Fax http://www.itsyourdomain.com true@itsyourdomain.com "The Wholesale Registrar" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 10:56:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA11754 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:56:42 -0700 Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com (mail2.verizonwireless.com [199.74.158.61]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11738; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:56:06 -0700 From: Steve.Flanagan@VerizonWireless.com X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mail2.verizonwireless.com [199.74.158.61] claimed to be mail.verizonwireless.com Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com by mail.verizonwireless.com (414/1100) with ESMTP id f84Hhs725143; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqbedigwy1.corp.bam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:50:21 -0400 Message-ID: To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, gmecm@diy-efi.org Subject: you just don't get it RE: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:53:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Here is the big picture: The guys that did all of the work are not making a profit, and if they insist that this continue to be the spirit of this project, then pay them the respect to honor what they desire. It is a slap in the face to all that did the work to watch someone step up as the project manager and put a couple bucks in their pocket just because they want to manage a project that was already created. If you want to be the coordinator over seas, then honor what was set as the rules of the game. If you want to make a profit, they your contribution here is not welcome. This is not about a few bucks, it all about Principle. For the guys that did all of the work: THANKSa Steve F -----Original Message----- From: David Hunt [mailto:dhunt16@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:25 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org; gmecm Subject: Re: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? Just because someone wants to profit doesn't mean that someone else can't perform the service. Peter wants to be compensated for his time...so? Let him advertise his services ELSEWHERE and see if someone else wants to step up to the plate. If no one else wants to perform the service and Peter is the low bidder then let him have at it! I don't mind that Peter is performing the service. I do mind that he is advertising on this group which is definitely against the rules, as I understand them. I don't know what the exchange rate is but $5 US to fill out the paperwork, order, count and etc. is really quite reasonable. That's not the point. I feel he must ADVERTISE his services elsewhere. Just like Al Lipper who is constantly trying to get free (for all practical purposes) consulting these issues should be discussed elsewhere. The only way to solve the problem is to ignore them. Actually, I would hope that one and only one person would reply to the offer. I bet there would be no work done. To all that would profit from this list...there are about 300 members. Many of these 300 have every tool that could be imagined for this type work. Many would do it themselves if it took months and months of dedicated effort. Many would do nothing, no matter the gain. Many are in other countries. And so forth and so on. This is not a place to market any product. If all the correspondents were to purchase a product with a $5 profit it would be a total of $1,500. So both sides, get real! 1) There is no money to be made on this list - probably time won't be paid. 2) No one is offering services on this list for a PROFIT. I did artwork for a version of the WB for free and offered it, along with schematic...etc. No control, no strings etc. Regarding "What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy?" nothing yet. It's up to the Aussies. All the Aussies. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scot Sealander" To: ; "gmecm" Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? > Or, How greed screwed things up..... > > First, Bruce wanted a DIY_WB. He did not have the skills to do it > himself. But what he did have, was the ability to get some other folks > together to get it done. After numerous expensive set backs, several > years, lots of prodding, poking, and learning, the first prototype was > born. This came from a lot of effort from among others, Chad Clendening > (did I spell that right?). Did I mention Bruce spent a lot of his own > money to get sensors, data and so forth? Remember that. > > A few built it, and it worked. At the pow-wow last March, several > others got together and realized that some of the basic prototype > circuitry could be improved upon. With that task done, it was again > tried, and it worked. Boards were designed, built and paid for behind > the scenes by a loyal few. By this time, a lot of time, energy, dollars > and work had been invested by a relatively small amount of dedicated > folks. > > At last, a true DIY_WB was about ready for the masses. All the folks > who put all that time, money, effort and dedication into the project was > to ask that no one try to make any money off the deal. Pretty simple, > huh? Everybody continue in the spirit that has been laid down. Pass it > on for free. > > Then we get someone a long the line who says something like, "I will > handle parts, but I need 20 dollars a piece to do it". Go back and read > it, it was "cost plus". Definitely not the spirit that originally got > the job done. Then to add insult to injury, we had several call the > originator mean spirited for calling him on it, with the tone in the > message of "I WANT MINE!". Well, you got it. Hurl your invectives at > the one who wanted to make money off other peoples efforts, not the one > who brought it to you. > > > Scot Sealander > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 10:58:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA11803 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:58:37 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11798 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:58:29 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.92]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010904175821.RJQA333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:58:21 -0400 Message-ID: <01d401c01699$d014b800$5c258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <3B94F704.89F6FE65@clarityconnect.com> <011c01c13566$80756c80$0200a8c0@cc693406a> Subject: Re: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:59:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Did you read the user's agreement?. That set the conditions, your opinon about them is meaningless. People either say, yes or no. It's just that simple. Pity some folks still can't grasp that Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hunt" To: ; "gmecm" Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? > Just because someone wants to profit doesn't mean that someone else can't > perform the service. Peter wants to be compensated for his time...so? Let > him advertise his services ELSEWHERE and see if someone else wants to step > up to the plate. If no one else wants to perform the service and Peter is > the low bidder then let him have at it! > > I don't mind that Peter is performing the service. I do mind that he is > advertising on this group which is definitely against the rules, as I > understand them. I don't know what the exchange rate is but $5 US to fill > out the paperwork, order, count and etc. is really quite reasonable. That's > not the point. I feel he must ADVERTISE his services elsewhere. > > Just like Al Lipper who is constantly trying to get free (for all practical > purposes) consulting these issues should be discussed elsewhere. The only > way to solve the problem is to ignore them. > > Actually, I would hope that one and only one person would reply to the > offer. I bet there would be no work done. > > To all that would profit from this list...there are about 300 members. > Many of these 300 have every tool that could be imagined for this type work. > Many would do it themselves if it took months and months of dedicated > effort. Many would do nothing, no matter the gain. Many are in other > countries. And so forth and so on. This is not a place to market any > product. If all the correspondents were to purchase a product with a $5 > profit it would be a total of $1,500. > > So both sides, get real! > > 1) There is no money to be made on this list - probably time won't be paid. > > 2) No one is offering services on this list for a PROFIT. > > I did artwork for a version of the WB for free and offered it, along with > schematic...etc. No control, no strings etc. > > Regarding "What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy?" nothing yet. It's up to > the Aussies. All the Aussies. > > dh > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scot Sealander" > To: ; "gmecm" > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 10:45 AM > Subject: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? > > > > Or, How greed screwed things up..... > > > > First, Bruce wanted a DIY_WB. He did not have the skills to do it > > himself. But what he did have, was the ability to get some other folks > > together to get it done. After numerous expensive set backs, several > > years, lots of prodding, poking, and learning, the first prototype was > > born. This came from a lot of effort from among others, Chad Clendening > > (did I spell that right?). Did I mention Bruce spent a lot of his own > > money to get sensors, data and so forth? Remember that. > > > > A few built it, and it worked. At the pow-wow last March, several > > others got together and realized that some of the basic prototype > > circuitry could be improved upon. With that task done, it was again > > tried, and it worked. Boards were designed, built and paid for behind > > the scenes by a loyal few. By this time, a lot of time, energy, dollars > > and work had been invested by a relatively small amount of dedicated > > folks. > > > > At last, a true DIY_WB was about ready for the masses. All the folks > > who put all that time, money, effort and dedication into the project was > > to ask that no one try to make any money off the deal. Pretty simple, > > huh? Everybody continue in the spirit that has been laid down. Pass it > > on for free. > > > > Then we get someone a long the line who says something like, "I will > > handle parts, but I need 20 dollars a piece to do it". Go back and read > > it, it was "cost plus". Definitely not the spirit that originally got > > the job done. Then to add insult to injury, we had several call the > > originator mean spirited for calling him on it, with the tone in the > > message of "I WANT MINE!". Well, you got it. Hurl your invectives at > > the one who wanted to make money off other peoples efforts, not the one > > who brought it to you. > > > > > > Scot Sealander > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 11:00:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA11854 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:00:49 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA11850 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:00:42 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.92]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010904180036.RJTK333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:00:36 -0400 Message-ID: <01e001c0169a$205219c0$5c258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: you just don't get it RE: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:01:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Well put Bruce From: Subject: you just don't get it RE: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? > Here is the big picture: > The guys that did all of the work are not making a profit, and if they > insist that this continue to be the spirit of this project, then pay them > the respect to honor what they desire. > It is a slap in the face to all that did the work to watch someone step up > as the project manager and put a couple bucks in their pocket just because > they want to manage a project that was already created. > If you want to be the coordinator over seas, then honor what was set as the > rules of the game. If you want to make a profit, they your contribution > here is not welcome. > This is not about a few bucks, it all about Principle. > For the guys that did all of the work: THANKSa > Steve F ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 11:36:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA12450 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:36:30 -0700 Received: from avalon.siteprotect.com (avalon.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.99]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA12446 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:36:24 -0700 Received: from yuppertop (cm857764-a.ftwrth1.tx.home.com [24.6.18.138]) by avalon.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31533 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:36:21 -0500 From: "Raymond Brantley" To: Subject: RE: Future Projects Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:39:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001901c01682$7e930de0$5c258fd1@bruce> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bruce I think it stinks that we lost a project, man I don't even want to know what it was since it was probably something cool. I assume we lost it because of the profiteers who jumped in and tried to covertly make money off the current one..... I guess there's always someone who has to pee in the pool. I should have posted a big thank you when the DIY-WB became available (honestly THANK YOU TO ALL INVOLVED !!) actually a few along the way would have been more appropriate !! But I didn't want you guys thinking I was patronizing you and being nice since the DIY-WB was out. I also didn't think anybody wanted to hear my disapproval or approval for that matter of someone else's actions. Anyway too little too late I guess..... Thank you, Raymond Brantley -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 10:12 AM To: gmecm@diy-efi.org; diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Future Projects Well, due to the efforts of a vocal few, we lost a project. Couple others are still on going but we'll just have to wait and see. Just needed to enjoy a freebie. I think that the majority, were happy with the deal, but chose to sit it out like since they got what they wanted, they didn't care enough to support the non-profit end of it, by saying anything. To say more would be ranting Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 11:43:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA12521 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:43:39 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA12515 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:43:32 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.92]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010904184325.RLZT333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:43:25 -0400 Message-ID: <024701c016a0$1bcef3e0$5c258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: Future Projects Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:44:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Your right you really don't want to know. I had my car rigged for starting on the testing. Yes, some folks have enough of a passion to do things for free, and all they ask is that it stays non-profit. Let me add commercial free. Bruce From: "Raymond Brantley" Subject: RE: Future Projects > Bruce I think it stinks that we lost a project, man I don't even want to > know what it was since it was probably something cool. I assume we lost it > because of the profiteers who jumped in and tried to covertly make money off > the current one..... I guess there's always someone who has to pee in the > pool. > > I should have posted a big thank you when the DIY-WB became available > (honestly THANK YOU TO ALL INVOLVED !!) actually a few along the way would > have been more appropriate !! But I didn't want you guys thinking I was > patronizing you and being nice since the DIY-WB was out. I also didn't think > anybody wanted to hear my disapproval or approval for that matter of someone > else's actions. > > Anyway too little too late I guess..... > > > Thank you, > Raymond Brantley > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Bruce > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 10:12 AM > To: gmecm@diy-efi.org; diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Future Projects > > > > Well, due to the efforts of a vocal few, we lost a project. > Couple others are still on going but we'll just have to wait and see. > Just needed to enjoy a freebie. > > I think that the majority, were happy with the deal, but chose to sit it > out like since they got what they wanted, they didn't care enough to support > the non-profit end of it, by saying anything. > To say more would be ranting > Bruce > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 11:57:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA12711 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:57:33 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA12705 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:57:26 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqslHGDSVJKtvXSHvLBCALzdmqbVGta69w/A=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GEHYCYQM; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:57:15 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 11:57:39 -0700 Subject: Re: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? Message-ID: <20010904.115740.158.3.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,14-15,24-25,30-31 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:59:03 -0400 "Bruce" writes: > > Did you read the user's agreement?. > That set the conditions, your opinon about them is meaningless. > People either say, yes or no. > It's just that simple. > > Pity some folks still can't grasp that > Bruce Had some private email with one person who tried to play lawyer and weasel around what you have already written up in the EULA (end-user license agreement). I won't mention that person's name, but his initials are GM. :) In light of recent events, you might want to consider adding a few more sentences to the original user's agreement, giving examples of what should be obvious. I know you can't plug every little wormhole that someone might try to wriggle thru, but lots of people think that a "gnu"-style agreement (which *does* allow for post-facto "value-added" commercialization) is the only form of "freeware" agreement. Might be nice to have a little more thorough explanation, since this "perpetual charitable project" idea is different from that, and (apparently) so hard to understand for some people. Just a suggestion. BTW, I really appreciate the time (and blows) you guys have taken to defend this approach. It has really helped me personally to get clarified in my own mind what would be satisfactory for me personally, if I ever had a project I wanted to bequeath to the world. Not sure I would bother, though. What a *pain*! Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 12:51:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA13385 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:51:32 -0700 Received: from advantekexch01.advan-tek.com ([146.145.24.116]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13376 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:51:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [146.145.24.116] claimed to be advantekexch01.advan-tek.com Received: by ADVANTEKEXCH01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:42:23 -0400 Message-ID: <796F43FD3E3FD511B78C00902785BE7A02C952@ADVANTEKEXCH01> From: Stephen Andersen To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: Newbie Thanks was RE: Future Projects Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:42:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bruce et al, As a newbie to the group, allow me to chime in a quick note of thanks and appreciation. I found this list due to embarking on a project to fit a positive displacement supercharger on my BMW. I have been looking for solutions for tuning the car and for fuel and timing control modifications to the stock Bosch ECU and came here to see if I could learn something. The DIY-WB for me will be an enabler for my project to at least provide me with a tool to tune the car properly (doesn't mean I will be able to do it though!!!). The cost of commercial units was looking to trash my project due to the significant cost escalation. I have asked a question or two here to fully understand and appreciate the spirit of the DIY aspect of this group, and I think it is perfectly clear what you are intending to do. It still amazes me that you guys have been willing to invest the time and money into this for everyone else's benefit. I applaud your efforts (for whatever that is worth) and hope that perhaps I can contribute to the group at some point. My only contribution now is that I am going to help a friend and co-worker assemble a DIY-WB board along with me so that he can learn a bit too. Hopefully we'll be able to get at least one of them to work... Thanks Again!! Steve Stephen M. Andersen, P.E. (302) 326-6405 Technical Director FAX (302) 326-6401 AdvanTek International, LLC Cell (302) 547-9842 56 Read's Way andersen@Advan-Tek.com New Castle, DE 19720 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Raymond Brantley > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:40 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: RE: Future Projects > > > Bruce I think it stinks that we lost a project, man I don't > even want to > know what it was since it was probably something cool. I > assume we lost it > because of the profiteers who jumped in and tried to covertly > make money off > the current one..... I guess there's always someone who has > to pee in the > pool. > > I should have posted a big thank you when the DIY-WB became available > (honestly THANK YOU TO ALL INVOLVED !!) actually a few along > the way would > have been more appropriate !! But I didn't want you guys > thinking I was > patronizing you and being nice since the DIY-WB was out. I > also didn't think > anybody wanted to hear my disapproval or approval for that > matter of someone > else's actions. > > Anyway too little too late I guess..... > > > Thank you, > Raymond Brantley > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Bruce > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 10:12 AM > To: gmecm@diy-efi.org; diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Future Projects > > > > Well, due to the efforts of a vocal few, we lost a project. > Couple others are still on going but we'll just have to wait and see. > Just needed to enjoy a freebie. > > I think that the majority, were happy with the deal, but > chose to sit it > out like since they got what they wanted, they didn't care > enough to support > the non-profit end of it, by saying anything. > To say more would be ranting > Bruce > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" > (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" > (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 13:05:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA13736 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:05:18 -0700 Received: from postal.grolen.com ([216.177.31.5]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA13722 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:05:01 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [216.177.31.5] claimed to be postal.grolen.com Received: from wg.grolen.com (unverified [216.177.31.6]) by postal.grolen.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.4) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:04:51 -0400 Received: from [216.177.30.239] by grolen.com id 809c1.wrk; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:04:58 EDT Message-ID: <3B9533C1.7022E9EC@grolen.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:04:17 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? References: <3B94F704.89F6FE65@clarityconnect.com> <011c01c13566$80756c80$0200a8c0@cc693406a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org David Hunt wrote: > I don't know what the exchange rate is but $5 US to fill > out the paperwork, order, count and etc. is really quite reasonable. Please be sure to forward the $5 US to the people who did the original design and developement work on the WB. They are not asking for money and have specifically said "no money is due." But if you absolutely feel that you can pay $5 above and beyond the cost of the project parts, please consider supporting the originators of the DIY-WB Though I do believe a man should not be required to give his time for free, I do not accept the position that someone can volunteer to provide a service which was not specifically asked of him, then ask to make a profit on that service, without sending any portion of the profit to the originators of the product he's distributing. In addition, the user's agreement specifically set forth with the WB was that it be "not for profit." That means not for thousands of dollars profit, not for hundreds of dollars profit, and not for a penny. The terms and conditions were given in the beginning. If they could not be adhered to, well, the offer for the group buy should never have been made. This is not about changing the rules after the fact. If you cannot follow the laws of the road, you do not get a driver's license. If you cannot adhere to the terms of a contract, you cannot keep a job. If you cannot stick to the terms of a mortgage, you cannot have a home. Why is it any different with the terms of the DIY-WB? If you would like a WBO2, and you feel that paying extra is not a problem, contact the people responsible for the US buy and work out a deal to have parts shipped to you. Do not be afraid to offer extra money for their time and effort, as they may need it. I'm sure you'll find they are at least as reasonable as Peter, and they are definitely due a few dollars already. But keep in mind that this issue is only out in the public eye to create a stir. This is the DIY-EFI equivalent of the National Enquirer. The people who are really in the business of stealing projects will be quietly offering a product for sale while the list is busy screaming over this little publicity stunt. Shannen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 13:08:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA13835 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:08:40 -0700 Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA13817 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:08:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cruzers.com [205.215.232.2] claimed to be blackie.cruzers.com Received: from cruzers.com (robbie-120.cruzers.com [209.165.194.120]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08795 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 13:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B93EFA2.C97BCB01@cruzers.com> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 13:01:28 -0800 From: Ludis Langens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DRAC for 730 to 749 conversion References: <200109030800.BAA28679@hektor.valesh.com> <000801c13490$6fc067e0$6501a8c0@dan500> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Dan Plaskett wrote: > > In changing from 730 ECM running 1991 Corvette AXCN code to 749 ECM running > SyTy code I've run into a couple of questions. > > First, in the Corvette code there are two VSS inputs high and low that run > from the VSS sensor mounted on the transmission. The Pinout diagram for the > SyTy does not use VSS inputs but instead uses a DRAC signal on pin C6. > After searching and reading the archives my conclusion is that I need to > obtain the DRAC to get the vehicle speed information into the ECM. I am > running a mechanical speedo so I am not really concerned about the VSS > outputs that normally drive the speedo but it seems that I still need the > DRAC. No, you don't need a DRAC (assuming you have everything working with the 730.) All you need to do is flip the bit in the SyTy PROM image that tells it to use the "high and low" VSS inputs instead. You might also have to change a few calibration constants that the ECM uses to convert the VSS inputs to MPH. -- Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 13:08:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA13837 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:08:43 -0700 Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA13820 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 13:08:20 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cruzers.com [205.215.232.2] claimed to be blackie.cruzers.com Received: from cruzers.com (robbie-120.cruzers.com [209.165.194.120]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08554 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 12:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B93EE33.6DF5A544@cruzers.com> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 12:55:19 -0800 From: Ludis Langens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... References: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> <3B92CB84.D7EDF98E@nni.com> <001f01c134ab$e70faa20$6969bfce@home> <3B938E7A.F6A43BC2@nni.com> <018601c13482$e1fc84a0$0400a8c0@ros54684kel1> <3B9399E5.3D7F83D2@nni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org rr wrote: > > The spec sheet for the LM9044 > makes no mention of a bias voltage output to the O2 sensor. The data sheet I have does mention a bias. Check the spec called "Non-Inverting Input Bias Current". The typical value is +/- 380 nanoAmps. (In other units, 0.00000038 amps.) > With a Fluke 83 measuring this input to ground the ECM then reports > a 409mV O2 sensor voltage. The Fluke reports a 397 mV level > on the O2 + input (open). This is quite a change for a high input > impedence DVM. Measure with the meter connected between the + input and the ECMs 5 volt supply. Or measure between the + input and the + end of a D cell (or C, or AA, or ...) with the negative end of the cell jumpered to ECM ground. -- Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 14:52:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA15440 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:52:28 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id OAA15430 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:52:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id QAA29818; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:52:13 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xmaa29812; Tue, 4 Sep 01 16:51:54 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19375 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:20:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B952884.AC1CB6D9@arm.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 14:16:20 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Digital Tach References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I don't know how much experience is "little", but I think that a digital tach will require some kind of micro controller to interface to the display (LCD?). That means you'll have to do a little programming, and you'll have to have some equipment to write the program into the microcontroller. This'll mean some money up front for software and hardware, and some time learning to program (unless you already have the programming experience). I've used PIC microcontrollers in the past (www.microchip.com), available from digikey. I've heard good things about Atmel and will probably try one in whatever my next project is. With that said, the way I'd proceed is to take the tach signal through an opto-isolator and into your microcontroller. Pick a microcontroller that has PWM hardware built into it, it'll make it easier to measure the time between pulses. Manipulate the units to get the time measured into rpm, and then display that onto the LCD. LCDs can be had cheaply from a lot of surplus electronics, start at www.eio.com. If you get a 2 or 4 line one then you'll have space to display other info in the future. The interface to them is dirt simple, I've got some PIC code that I can send you for driving them if you want. --steve Santi Udomkesmalee wrote: > > I'm pretty new to the DIY EFI scene and I though I would start small on my > first project. Unfortunatly, I don't even know where to start. I'm > interested in building a digital tachometer for a '98 Chevy Cavalier. Does > anybody know how I would go about this? Currently a have very little > electronic experience, so the more specific you are the more it will help. > Thanks a lot. > > -Santi Udomkesmalee -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 15:12:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA15795 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:12:41 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA15776; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:12:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA00267; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:26:52 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B95526D.4D5647@techedge.com.au> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:15:09 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, gmecm@diy-efi.org Subject: The list is busy screaming .. References: <3B94F704.89F6FE65@clarityconnect.com> <011c01c13566$80756c80$0200a8c0@cc693406a> <3B9533C1.7022E9EC@grolen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Re: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? Shannen Durphey wrote: > > But keep in mind ... The people who > are really in the business of stealing projects will be quietly offering a > product for sale while the list is busy screaming over this little publicity > stunt. Truer words were never spoken, Shannen. Lets get one thing straight, and I won't be spending any more DIY bandwidth on it. Shannen's edited text above epitomizes the true DIY problem. It's not a petty squabble over whether you pay someone to solder up your kit, or if you, IMHO, quite reasonably charge someone for the time you'd be otherwise spending with your children, your dog, or the next DIY project - it's about making things public so the DIYers can do just that, DIY. And yes, I stand accused, and am guilty of stirring the coals over this issue. I certainly "get it", but don't agree that there's a clear cut line somewhere where you can pay a PCB manufacturer to make the boards, or you can pay UPS to deliver the parts, but you can't pay a fellow list member for helping them out at such a basic level like doing a solder job or organising a group parts kit. It's just not possible to be so prescriptive in life and I reject that attitude. I totally accept and support, and actively participate in, the spirit of DIY, and it really gets up my (not insubstantial) nose when people who know better question my ethics and morals. If the group is to heal itself from the pre-existing malaise that this episode has highlighted, then there has to be a fostering of an environment where there is respect for what people accomplish and bring to the group. I agree that the best way to design a "product" is often with a closed group of a few dedicated individuals who work long hours with a sense of purpose that achieving an elusive goal brings. Their reward can never be measured in dollar terms and to attempt to do so belittles them. I also believe the same design can be done by sharing all the information openly, freely and without favour. I've probably said enough already, but I'll make the last point that I don't hold any grudges against anyone who has, and will, disagree with my stance on this - I'm happy to agree to disagree, and I'd like to get back to the true DIY spirit where people actually post information (perhaps in a sanitised form) that they have gleaned from the web, auto manufacturers, or toiled long nights over. Reading some of the early archives can be quite inspirational in that respect. Peter. PS. I don't write this with the intent of fostering a continued flame war. Think twice, and then think again before hitting the reply key. I'm happy ONLY to reply off-list to any off-list flames. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 16:00:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA16912 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:00:00 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA16897 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:59:44 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsnPRkkk6KtdhpglKBj9xK9fmRaHUTgwUZg=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GEJD7YG5; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 18:59:11 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:59:30 -0700 Subject: Re: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? Message-ID: <20010904.155931.158.5.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-13,15-17,19-21,25-26 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:04:17 -0400 Shannen Durphey writes: > But keep in mind that this issue is only out in the public eye to > create a > stir. This is the DIY-EFI equivalent of the National Enquirer. The > people who > are really in the business of stealing projects will be quietly > offering a > product for sale while the list is busy screaming over this little > publicity > stunt. Yes, very likely. Even the General hinted at that. Here's another quote from him: >This talk about commercial use of information on DIY >is just silly. Nobody using any information for any type of serious commercial >gain will be letting the list know any time soon. Hmm, I hope that wasn't an admission. But I would think twice, if I were the General or his mates, about what it's like to live as a *marked man*. Not a fun thought. Not only is history a harsh mistress, but I've heard she has a long memory too. :) Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 16:25:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA17337 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:25:28 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA17332 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:25:20 -0700 Received: from [216.107.3.51] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 32610743 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:25:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3B9563D3.7CC45F53@nni.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:29:23 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... References: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> <3B92CB84.D7EDF98E@nni.com> <001f01c134ab$e70faa20$6969bfce@home> <3B938E7A.F6A43BC2@nni.com> <018601c13482$e1fc84a0$0400a8c0@ros54684kel1> <3B9399E5.3D7F83D2@nni.com> <3B93EE33.6DF5A544@cruzers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org All opamps have an input bias current. The question has been "is the O2 sensor input biased to 450mV, on purpose?" In other words does the sensor have a 450mV bias output from the ECM to the O2 sensor? I have not found any evidence that it does. I'm thinking that what folks are seeing is the 'home' position being read by the ECMs ADC & reported as 450mV. This is with the sensor disconnected, hence a bias must be being applied to the sensor. BobR. Ludis Langens wrote: > rr wrote: > > > > The spec sheet for the LM9044 > > makes no mention of a bias voltage output to the O2 sensor. > > The data sheet I have does mention a bias. Check the spec called > "Non-Inverting Input Bias Current". The typical value is +/- 380 > nanoAmps. (In other units, 0.00000038 amps.) > > > With a Fluke 83 measuring this input to ground the ECM then reports > > a 409mV O2 sensor voltage. The Fluke reports a 397 mV level > > on the O2 + input (open). This is quite a change for a high input > > impedence DVM. > > Measure with the meter connected between the + input and the ECMs 5 volt > supply. Or measure between the + input and the + end of a D cell (or C, > or AA, or ...) with the negative end of the cell jumpered to ECM ground. > > -- > Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com > Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 16:38:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA17537 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:38:44 -0700 Received: from mailout2-eri1.midsouth.rr.com (mailout2-eri1.midsouth.rr.com [24.165.200.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA17533 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:38:37 -0700 Received: from jubserv (HubW-mcr-24-95-119-136.midsouth.rr.com [24.95.119.136]) by mailout2-eri1.midsouth.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id f84NaCR13963 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:36:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <014001c1359a$5b51ae80$0600a8c0@hartwigimports.com> From: "Jurgen Hartwig" To: References: <3B94F704.89F6FE65@clarityconnect.com> <011c01c13566$80756c80$0200a8c0@cc693406a> <3B9533C1.7022E9EC@grolen.com> <3B95526D.4D5647@techedge.com.au> Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:35:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org If anybody is interested, I will do a parts kit. I don't want to build a DIY-WB kit. If someone can tell me what electronic parts are needed, I will take orders. I will buy the parts from whoever has them. I will package all the bits into zip-loc bags at my cost and then ship the kits out via UPS or FEDEX at cost. In essence, you pay what I pay. Just think of me as a little monkey that sorts parts, packages, and ships them out. My compensation is the air I breathe. I haven't the foggiest idea how a WB meter works. I haven't the foggiest idea how to design one, but I can place an order, and I can handle shipping. jay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 16:58:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA17772 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:58:50 -0700 Received: from mailin3.email.bigpond.com (juicer24.bigpond.com [139.134.6.34]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA17762 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:58:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host juicer24.bigpond.com [139.134.6.34] claimed to be mailin3.email.bigpond.com Received: from jeffw2000 ([139.134.4.54]) by mailin3.email.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GJ5XJ300.DET for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:04:15 +1000 Received: from WEBH-T-007-p-154-230.tmns.net.au ([203.54.154.230]) by mail6.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9i 11/2399085); 05 Sep 2001 09:58:57 From: "Jeff Meager" To: Subject: RE: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:00:51 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010904.155931.158.5.blocklm@juno.com> Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org So am I right to say that after all this, the Aussie WB Buy is now off the cards if we were buying the PCB's through Peter G???? I hope not.... Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Brian L Massey Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2001 7:00 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 16:04:17 -0400 Shannen Durphey writes: > But keep in mind that this issue is only out in the public eye to > create a > stir. This is the DIY-EFI equivalent of the National Enquirer. The > people who > are really in the business of stealing projects will be quietly > offering a > product for sale while the list is busy screaming over this little > publicity > stunt. Yes, very likely. Even the General hinted at that. Here's another quote from him: >This talk about commercial use of information on DIY >is just silly. Nobody using any information for any type of serious commercial >gain will be letting the list know any time soon. Hmm, I hope that wasn't an admission. But I would think twice, if I were the General or his mates, about what it's like to live as a *marked man*. Not a fun thought. Not only is history a harsh mistress, but I've heard she has a long memory too. :) Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 17:04:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA17896 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:04:35 -0700 Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA17892 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:04:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211] claimed to be mail.speakeasy.net Received: (qmail 41752 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2001 00:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jawbreaker) ([66.92.166.175]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 5 Sep 2001 00:04:20 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010902195042.010bd874@mail.speakeasy.org> X-Sender: synchris@mail.speakeasy.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 19:50:43 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Chris Conlon Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 12:55 PM 9/3/01 -0800, Ludis Langens wrote: >rr wrote: >> >> The spec sheet for the LM9044 >> makes no mention of a bias voltage output to the O2 sensor. > >The data sheet I have does mention a bias. Check the spec called >"Non-Inverting Input Bias Current". The typical value is +/- 380 >nanoAmps. (In other units, 0.00000038 amps.) That bias current is not intentional, it's an artifact of real world devices as opposed to ideal op-amps. If they could make an op-amp with zero input bias current, they would. (Modern devices are damn close, too. Picoamp bias currents are not uncommon.) The value is spec'ed for you so you can determine how much noise voltage will be generated at any given source impedance. Basically this value is telling you how much current the amp will draw from (or supply to) the input. Now I don't know one way or the other about the correct answer to the original question (where does the 0.450v bias come from), but I can tell you that the input bias current isn't part of the answer. Chris C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 17:37:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA18375 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:37:55 -0700 Received: from sprocket.innovative.iinet.net.au (innovative.iinet.net.au [203.59.144.24]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA18371 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:37:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host innovative.iinet.net.au [203.59.144.24] claimed to be sprocket.innovative.iinet.net.au Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sprocket.innovative.iinet.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id IAA23063 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:37:42 +0800 Received: from UNKNOWN(203.6.142.20), claiming to be "flywheel.innovative.iinet.net.au" via SMTP by innovative.iinet.net.au, id smtpdIuq4iX; Wed Sep 5 00:37:35 2001 Received: (from bernie@localhost) by flywheel.innovative.iinet.net.au (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id f850bXB07346 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:37:33 +0800 From: Bernd Felsche Message-Id: <200109050037.f850bXB07346@flywheel.innovative.iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: Digital Tach In-Reply-To: <3B952884.AC1CB6D9@arm.com> from steve ravet at "Sep 4, 2001 02:16:20 pm" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:37:33 +0800 (WST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org steve ravet tapped away at the keyboard with: > I don't know how much experience is "little", but I think that a digital > tach will require some kind of micro controller to interface to the > display (LCD?). That means you'll have to do a little programming, and It can all be done with "pure" hardware; a timer, counter and display driver chip; for LED's, these have been around for a while. It's as simple as displaying a count over a fixed interval; count for a preset time, latch output to display, reset counter and start counting again. The component _count_ is higher than when using a uC but the hardware is reliable (well, people excuse small hardware glitches, but swear at software bugs), cheap and simple to understand. -- /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! | X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature| / \ and postings | to help me spread! | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 17:49:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA18501 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:49:49 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA18484; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:48:07 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsmsYZneYk1Azfj+ePN3hDqG19v+D+KJ3fQ=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GEJLE5RW; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:47:57 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, gmecm@diy-efi.org Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:48:21 -0700 Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. Message-ID: <20010904.174823.158.6.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,8-9,24-25,29-30,37-38,44-48 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:15:09 +1000 Peter Gargano writes: > It's just not possible to be so > prescriptive > in life and I reject that attitude. Peter, Peter, you're an intelligent guy, it's awful to watch you poke your thumbs in your eyes like this! Here's your "clear cut line". You aren't some disinterested party like a PCB mfg. or UPS driver. You're a list member, about to benefit from the generosity of a team of it's members. All they have said is, "if you want to use this intellectual goodie, you agree to exclude yourself from the category of a disinterested party or mere hired hand". No monetary compensation for interested parties like you and me, or anyone who wants to own a diy-wb, let alone be more widely involved in the project. No quid pro quo, except a sincere thanks and well-done. Attaboys is all the wages we can earn from this project. Not so some anonymous pcb or delivery co. They aren't interested in a diy-wb, couldn't care less, don't benefit from the intellectual property, wouldn't know a wideband o2 sensor from a wideband radio. Not the same as you & me. Clear distinction. Because we're in line for the goodie itself, in order to get it, we have to agree to no monetary or commercial interests in it. No inconsistency there. An obvious intent of the agreement was to avoid any questionable mixtures of interested parties who also play some commercial or monetary role. Preventing people from wearing both hats has a lot of merit. That's I trust why BobR from the beginning said the boards would be "at cost". Face it, Peter. You're not rejecting an impossible or inconsistent condition, you are simply rejecting a straight-forward usage agreement. Now if you continue along this line of crippled thinking, pretty soon you're going to have to pry your fingers loose of the goodie itself, because if you refuse the agreement, you can't even *build* the circuit, let alone buy a board, not if your name and reputation means anything to you. Think about the prospects of not even being able to honestly build a diy-wb of your own nor discuss its usage, and I think you'll find a way to come to your senses. :) Hope so. I'd hate for you to be left behind and miss out on the fun to come. I'm personally looking forward to sharing in the experiences of a whole bunch of diy-wb users. Where else can you get that? Mine's almost wired. Yahoo! Think about it. Your friend, Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 17:55:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA18587 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:55:46 -0700 Received: from mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (ha1.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au [203.164.2.50]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA18583 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:55:38 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host ha1.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au [203.164.2.50] claimed to be mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au Received: from optushome.com.au ([203.164.163.212]) by mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010905005525.UAIZ4715.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au@optushome.com.au> for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:55:25 +1000 Message-ID: <3B9579DB.F95510C2@optushome.com.au> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:03:23 +1000 From: Richard Wakeling X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... References: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> <3B92CB84.D7EDF98E@nni.com> <001f01c134ab$e70faa20$6969bfce@home> <3B938E7A.F6A43BC2@nni.com> <018601c13482$e1fc84a0$0400a8c0@ros54684kel1> <3B9399E5.3D7F83D2@nni.com> <3B93EE33.6DF5A544@cruzers.com> <3B9563D3.7CC45F53@nni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org As far as I am aware all the Aussie ECM/PCM have 450 mV output. A cold O2 sensor has an extremely high impedance so it does not pull this 450 mV down. As the O2 gets hotter and begins to produce a voltage its impedance quickly falls allowing the O2 voltage to overcome this 450mV bias. If any instrument (Some 10 led O2 displays) is connected to the O2 circuit that does not have extremely high input impedance it will pull this 450 mV bias down. If this was to occur when the engine is WARM but the O2 sensor is COLD the integrator will think the engine is lean and unnecessary fuel will be added until the O2 has reached its ready state. So If you have a vehicle that runs poorly when you first start it, make sure you have nothing hanging on the O2 circuit pulling it down. Cheers Richard rr wrote: > All opamps have an input bias current. The question has been > "is the O2 sensor input biased to 450mV, on purpose?" In > other words does the sensor have a 450mV bias output from > the ECM to the O2 sensor? > > I have not found any evidence that it does. I'm thinking that > what folks are seeing is the 'home' position being read by the > ECMs ADC & reported as 450mV. This is with the sensor > disconnected, hence a bias must be being applied to the sensor. > > BobR. > > Ludis Langens wrote: > > > rr wrote: > > > > > > The spec sheet for the LM9044 > > > makes no mention of a bias voltage output to the O2 sensor. > > > > The data sheet I have does mention a bias. Check the spec called > > "Non-Inverting Input Bias Current". The typical value is +/- 380 > > nanoAmps. (In other units, 0.00000038 amps.) > > > > > With a Fluke 83 measuring this input to ground the ECM then reports > > > a 409mV O2 sensor voltage. The Fluke reports a 397 mV level > > > on the O2 + input (open). This is quite a change for a high input > > > impedence DVM. > > > > Measure with the meter connected between the + input and the ECMs 5 volt > > supply. Or measure between the + input and the + end of a D cell (or C, > > or AA, or ...) with the negative end of the cell jumpered to ECM ground. > > > > -- > > Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com > > Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 19:03:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA19307 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:03:15 -0700 Received: from dribble.cme.nist.gov (dribble.cme.nist.gov [129.6.32.31]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA19303 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:03:08 -0700 Received: from u0s9r2.nist.gov (asynce015.nist.gov [129.6.31.15]) by dribble.cme.nist.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12823 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010904220208.00a1b080@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> X-Sender: brenegar@mailhub.cme.nist.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:06:33 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Brian Renegar Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. In-Reply-To: <20010904.174823.158.6.blocklm@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >Here's your "clear cut line". You aren't some disinterested party like a >PCB mfg. or UPS driver. You're a list member, So why is it, then, that people had a fit when someone suggested having a manufacturer build the completed boards? They are clearly a disinterested party also. What's the difference between having the board and components built, and just the board built?? Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 19:57:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA19926 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:57:21 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id TAA19922 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:57:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id VAA00495; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:57:14 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma000493; Tue, 4 Sep 01 21:56:46 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02027 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:56:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B959375.C3C7147C@arm.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:52:37 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. References: <20010904.174823.158.6.blocklm@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org But all those EEC list guys are disinterested. So is everyone else out on the internet who stumbles across our home page, and believe me as the maintainer a lot of non-subscribers find our page from various search engines. I don't think it's in the spirit of the thing for them to profit and members not to. Peter is correct that it's a fine line with plenty of wiggle room. With that said, it's clear ti list members who the project belongs to, and the conditions of usage are clear. A GNU style license would have avoided a lot of fuss but that's not what we have. I urge everyone to respect Bruce and company's license. And no more discussion. There's nothing new left to add. ---> I really hope the discussion ends here. <--- One more thing: A lot of people have chosen to speak for the list recently, regarding what's allowed and what isn't. There's a charter for each list on the home page, and there's nothing on there about not allowing commercial messages. That includes people offering services, selling/buying parts, etc. In the spirit of the old hotrod list, the charter here is as broad as possible consistent with noise suppression. There is nothing dishonorable about profit, as long as it's in return for real value add, and not in violation of a usage agreement. Any replies, send them directly. My address is below. --steve Brian L Massey wrote: > > On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:15:09 +1000 Peter Gargano > writes: > > It's just not possible to be so > > prescriptive > > in life and I reject that attitude. > > Peter, Peter, you're an intelligent guy, it's awful to watch you poke > your thumbs in your eyes like this! -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 20:49:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA20518 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:49:19 -0700 Received: from demai05.mw.mediaone.net (demai05.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.1.56]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20514 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:49:11 -0700 Received: from josh (nic-131-c101-92.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.101.92]) by demai05.mw.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f853mvY05201 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013401c135bc$1ba7f380$5c658318@mw.mediaone.net> From: "Josh Ely" To: References: <3B94F704.89F6FE65@clarityconnect.com> <011c01c13566$80756c80$0200a8c0@cc693406a> <3B9533C1.7022E9EC@grolen.com> <3B95526D.4D5647@techedge.com.au> <014001c1359a$5b51ae80$0600a8c0@hartwigimports.com> Subject: Not SPAM, but it is a "For sale" Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:37:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I'm sorry guy's and gal's, but I'm really in a bind. I know that some of this doesn't come close to being on topic or even discussion related, but I really need to sell this stuff. (1) New OTC monitor 4000 #3352. I only checked one car with this scan tool. Almost Everything is still wrapped in plastic. (Cables and such!)Deluxe Scan Tool Set with Enhanced Monitor-everything you need to get started. It includes the new Enhanced Monitor, Pathfinder II, (included free) and Pathfinder '99 software and a coupon for the 2001 Pathfinder / Import upgrade, plus all necessary cables (including the new Ford III, Chrysler III, and three SSI); all packed into a molded plastic organizer case. Pathfinder '99 covers '89 to '99 GM, Ford, and Chrysler vehicles; Pathfinder II software covers from '79 through '93 so you have every domestic on-board computer covered with on set. Both cartridges give you diagnostic capabilities in the from of the "Guided Path" and "Quick Path," plus data stream functions for GM, Ford, and Chrysler. Set includes Enhanced Monitor, six vehicle adapter cables, deluxe OBD II cable with three "System Smart Inserts," extension cable, Pathfinder II and Pathfinder '99 software cartridges, user manual, coupon for instructional video, plus TSB and PROM I.D. manuals. $700 (9) 160lb Bosch fuel injectors. Gas or Methanol compatible. (NEW) $50 each or $400 for all. I live in S.E. Michigan. (Westland) Please send any questions via my personal email address below. (I don't want to clutter up the list) Thanks, Josh Ely braxx@mediaone.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 20:55:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA20597 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:55:41 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20591 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:55:29 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsrS+oHgborr9q6v/iRFPN8wgIHPtJ33p9w=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GEJW5WFG; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:55:09 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:55:32 -0700 Subject: Wiggle Room Message-ID: <20010904.205533.158.9.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,25-31,39-43,47-48,52-53 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:52:37 -0500 steve ravet writes: > But all those EEC list guys are disinterested. So is everyone else > out > on the internet who stumbles across our home page, and believe me as > the > maintainer a lot of non-subscribers find our page from various > search > engines. I don't think it's in the spirit of the thing for them to > profit and members not to. Peter is correct that it's a fine line > with > plenty of wiggle room. I think this is confusion. I certainly didn't mean to suggest "all those EEC list guys are *disinterested*". I don't think you understood what I wrote. They most certainly are interested parties subject to the usage agreement; their interest is in building a diy-wb of their own. Are you suggesting that the usage agreement isn't on the homepage? I wasn't for a moment suggesting that non-subscribers are *disinterested*, either. Referring to Peter as a list member with personal interest in the diy-wb, I wasn't suggesting that only list members are therefore "interested parties". I thought I made that clear from describing anyone who wants to build a diy-wb or getting involved even further, as all interested parties, subject to the usage agreement. How in the world you read me to the contrary is beyond me. The usage agreement is part of the zip file as well. > And no more discussion. > There's nothing new left to add. > > ---> I really hope the discussion ends here. <--- Why is it people say things like this? Peter the General essentially wrote me the same thing privately, trying to shut me up. You make some confused remarks and then essentially say, "no more discussion"? Do you really hope to edict the last word like that? Read more carefully what is said, and avoid posting confused conclusions, and you won't have to read any more responses like this one. I promise. Not a good way to try to end a discussion, by edicting the last word. (I don't see how maintaining the DIY homepages gives you that prerogative or authority, Steve). > One more thing: A lot of people have chosen to speak for the list > recently, regarding what's allowed and what isn't. Let's be clear, just in case you had me included in that "a lot of people"; I never once spoke about what the "list" allows for, only commented on what the usage agreement and intent of the project team seemed to clearly say, from their own postings. Right about now I'm beginning to feel *really* sorry for those guys that made this project happen. Very sad so many are looking for "wiggle room", as you call it Steve. I'm especially disappointed someone so close to the list feels that way. Brian -fairly new to the list, but old to the planet, too old maybe- Massey ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 20:55:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA20596 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:55:41 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20588 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:55:28 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsrS+oHgborr9C2ctLAZAClBQgZNUvzyqaQ=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GEJW5WEG; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:55:09 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:15:38 -0700 Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. Message-ID: <20010904.205533.158.8.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,13-14,16-17 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:06:33 -0700 Brian Renegar writes: > What's the difference between having the board and > components > built, and just the board built?? I'll take a stab at that by asking another rhetorical question. What's the difference between buying a board all built, and buying a commercial product? Yes, you have a disinterested party, but you also have just created the same as a commercial product, except for the price. The person has a wb now, and more cheaply, but what did he do himself? Was the purpose of the project to provide everyone with a cheap already built product? Or was it intended primarily as a DIY project? IIRC, that was explained with the objection to just farming out the mass-production of them. Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 20:57:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id UAA20645 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:57:49 -0700 Received: from dlwcg2.dlwc.nsw.gov.au (dlwcg2.dlwc.nsw.gov.au [203.3.194.253]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA20638 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:57:35 -0700 Received: from intrap.dlwc.nsw.gov.au (intrap.dlwc.nsw.gov.au [172.24.16.32]) by dlwcg2.dlwc.nsw.gov.au (8.11.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f853unT19050 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:56:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from radx.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by intrap.dlwc.nsw.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16388 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:56:49 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3B95A27D.CEBF9095@radx.net> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:56:45 +1000 From: Geoff Swavley Organization: Dept of Land and Water Conservation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy efi Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I am an Aussie, and am grateful to Peter for offering the service. It would cost me waaaaaaaay more than $20 to take time off work and dick around with various parts vendors and paperwork. Peter is *saving* me money in offering to amortise the whole operation into one central deal. I fully appreciate people not making money from the design testing etc ... as I understand it Peter is just asking for some compensation for the work involved in sourcing and bringing in things from the USA which I do all of the time for both of my Pontiacs .. .and it is a pain to have to deal with customs or even take time off work to venture to the nearest post office when they decide to open to collect things. On these days I don't even get to work until 10:30am. 'nuff said. geoffs :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Swavley Email : geoffs@radx.net UNIX Sys Admin Snail : Level 8, 10 Valentine Ave, Support and Network Operations Parramatta NSW 2150 Dept of Land and Water Conservation Sydney Australia Phone : 61-2-98957125 http://www.radx.net/~geoffs Fax : 61-2-98957086 Mobile: 61-425-224475 / 61-2-83004475 Home : 61-2-83389510 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Car quote that best reflects how I feel: "Fast, Reliable, Inexpensive; Choose two of the previous." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 21:06:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA20884 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:06:10 -0700 Received: from Mail6.triad.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA20878; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:06:02 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53] claimed to be Mail6.triad.rr.com Received: from markrile ([66.57.97.32]) by Mail6.triad.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:06:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c135c0$c69aa0e0$20613942@triad.rr.com> From: "Mark S. Riley" To: "GM-ECM List" , "diy-efi list" Subject: Pictures of DIY-WB Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:10:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I've posted 3 pictures I took this afternoon of the DIY-WB next to the Horiba. http://www.turbotuneusltd.nstemp.com/wideband/ Shows the 2 bonger tail pipe stinger. Should have seen the kids laughing at it when we went to lunch. >From the little bit I been able to drive it today, it's a very close match to the Horiba. The Horiba is displaying down to the hundreth of an air fuel ratio. This is much finer than the hundreths of a volt shown on the meter. But looking at the voltage to a/f chart so far everything matches very well. Warm up time is about 35-40 seconds. Just a little bit longer than the Horiba. I added 2 led's to show power for the 2 power leads. later, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 21:24:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA21397 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:24:02 -0700 Received: from mwci.net (stalker.mwci.net [209.207.1.63]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21391 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:23:53 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host stalker.mwci.net [209.207.1.63] claimed to be mwci.net Received: from [209.207.46.24] (HELO execpc.com) by mwci.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with ESMTP id 10811939 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:20:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3B95A866.65FCF6C2@execpc.com> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 23:21:58 -0500 From: Chad Clendening X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: WB's ... References: <200109041844.LAA12527@hektor.valesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org One of the difficulties designing circuits around an expensive device like the UEGO sensor is how to do it without spending $$$ on blown sensors. This problem was complicated by having to figure out exactly how to control the thing. The possibility of frying this thing was ( and still is) real if precautions are not taken. Please do not take this lightly! I don't know anyone else who would consider sending these things out at their going rate - either the previous or the cheap one now - to complete strangers who have done little more than demonstrate a slight bit of competence with electronic circuits on a newsgroup and a willingness to experiment. Quite generous in my book ( Bruce). The name is right, thanks. It is suprising how many can't figure it out. - Chad > Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 11:45:08 -0400 > From: Scot Sealander > Subject: What went wrong with the Aussie WB Buy? > > Or, How greed screwed things up..... > > First, Bruce wanted a DIY_WB. He did not have the skills to do it > himself. But what he did have, was the ability to get some other folks > together to get it done. > After numerous expensive set backs, several > years, lots of prodding, poking, and learning, the first prototype was > born. This came from a lot of effort from among others, Chad Clendening > (did I spell that right?). Did I mention Bruce spent a lot of his own > money to get sensors, data and so forth? Remember that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 21:24:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA21404 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:24:15 -0700 Received: from mta02ps.bigpond.com (juicer47.bigpond.com [144.135.25.134]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21399 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:24:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host juicer47.bigpond.com [144.135.25.134] claimed to be mta02ps.bigpond.com Received: from jeffw2000 ([144.135.25.78]) by mta02ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GJ69TF00.9CQ for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:29:39 +1000 Received: from WEBH-T-007-p-154-197.tmns.net.au ([203.54.154.197]) by PSMAM04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9i 8401/2007834); 05 Sep 2001 14:29:39 From: "Jeff Meager" To: Subject: RE: Aussie Group Purchase Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:26:15 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B95A27D.CEBF9095@radx.net> Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I have no problem assembling, buy my own parts etc. I would even etch my own damn board if it came to it, but I can't because I don't have the artwork. I am not skilled enough to make the board from the schematics..... I want a PCB, and I WAS getting one through Peter G. If the list is now against Peter supplying the boards, can someone please point me to another board source - and yes I'm in Australia.... thanks Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Geoff Swavley Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2001 11:57 AM To: diy efi Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase I am an Aussie, and am grateful to Peter for offering the service. It would cost me waaaaaaaay more than $20 to take time off work and dick around with various parts vendors and paperwork. Peter is *saving* me money in offering to amortise the whole operation into one central deal. I fully appreciate people not making money from the design testing etc ... as I understand it Peter is just asking for some compensation for the work involved in sourcing and bringing in things from the USA which I do all of the time for both of my Pontiacs .. .and it is a pain to have to deal with customs or even take time off work to venture to the nearest post office when they decide to open to collect things. On these days I don't even get to work until 10:30am. 'nuff said. geoffs :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Swavley Email : geoffs@radx.net UNIX Sys Admin Snail : Level 8, 10 Valentine Ave, Support and Network Operations Parramatta NSW 2150 Dept of Land and Water Conservation Sydney Australia Phone : 61-2-98957125 http://www.radx.net/~geoffs Fax : 61-2-98957086 Mobile: 61-425-224475 / 61-2-83004475 Home : 61-2-83389510 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Car quote that best reflects how I feel: "Fast, Reliable, Inexpensive; Choose two of the previous." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 21:40:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id VAA21656 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:40:31 -0700 Received: from mail1.iiss.qantas.com.au (mail1.qantas.com.au [139.163.83.75]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA21649 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 21:40:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mail1.qantas.com.au [139.163.83.75] claimed to be mail1.iiss.qantas.com.au Received: from sydqabnt13-ns.qantas.com.au (unknown [10.42.44.29]) by mail1.iiss.qantas.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A2117597 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:39:39 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Don DRI05 Ricciardiello" Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:40:44 +1000 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on QFSYDMST02/QANTAS(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 05/09/2001 14:36:21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Well said....... Don Sydney, Australia From: Geoff Swavley @diy-efi.org on 05/09/2001 13:56 Please respond to diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sent by: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org To: diy efi cc: Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase I am an Aussie, and am grateful to Peter for offering the service. It would cost me waaaaaaaay more than $20 to take time off work and dick around with various parts vendors and paperwork. Peter is *saving* me money in offering to amortise the whole operation into one central deal. I fully appreciate people not making money from the design testing etc ... as I understand it Peter is just asking for some compensation for the work involved in sourcing and bringing in things from the USA which I do all of the time for both of my Pontiacs .. .and it is a pain to have to deal with customs or even take time off work to venture to the nearest post office when they decide to open to collect things. On these days I don't even get to work until 10:30am. 'nuff said. geoffs :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Swavley Email : geoffs@radx.net UNIX Sys Admin Snail : Level 8, 10 Valentine Ave, Support and Network Operations Parramatta NSW 2150 Dept of Land and Water Conservation Sydney Australia Phone : 61-2-98957125 http://www.radx.net/~geoffs Fax : 61-2-98957086 Mobile: 61-425-224475 / 61-2-83004475 Home : 61-2-83389510 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Car quote that best reflects how I feel: "Fast, Reliable, Inexpensive; Choose two of the previous." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 22:02:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA21973 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:02:48 -0700 Received: from mta03ps.bigpond.com (juicer48.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA21969 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:02:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host juicer48.bigpond.com [144.135.25.135] claimed to be mta03ps.bigpond.com Received: from jeffw2000 ([144.135.25.78]) by mta03ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GJ6BLS00.E1Q for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:08:16 +1000 Received: from WEBH-T-007-p-154-197.tmns.net.au ([203.54.154.197]) by PSMAM04.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9i 8401/2027856); 05 Sep 2001 15:08:16 From: "Jeff Meager" To: Subject: RE: Aussie Group Purchase Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:04:52 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Agreed..... Must be an Aussie thing.... Jeff Perth, Australia -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Don DRI05 Ricciardiello Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2001 12:41 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase Well said....... Don Sydney, Australia From: Geoff Swavley @diy-efi.org on 05/09/2001 13:56 Please respond to diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sent by: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org To: diy efi cc: Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase I am an Aussie, and am grateful to Peter for offering the service. It would cost me waaaaaaaay more than $20 to take time off work and dick around with various parts vendors and paperwork. Peter is *saving* me money in offering to amortise the whole operation into one central deal. I fully appreciate people not making money from the design testing etc ... as I understand it Peter is just asking for some compensation for the work involved in sourcing and bringing in things from the USA which I do all of the time for both of my Pontiacs .. .and it is a pain to have to deal with customs or even take time off work to venture to the nearest post office when they decide to open to collect things. On these days I don't even get to work until 10:30am. 'nuff said. geoffs :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Swavley Email : geoffs@radx.net UNIX Sys Admin Snail : Level 8, 10 Valentine Ave, Support and Network Operations Parramatta NSW 2150 Dept of Land and Water Conservation Sydney Australia Phone : 61-2-98957125 http://www.radx.net/~geoffs Fax : 61-2-98957086 Mobile: 61-425-224475 / 61-2-83004475 Home : 61-2-83389510 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Car quote that best reflects how I feel: "Fast, Reliable, Inexpensive; Choose two of the previous." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 22:05:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA22004 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:05:18 -0700 Received: from jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (jupiter.natlib.govt.nz [203.167.235.76]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA21998 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:05:04 -0700 Received: from jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f8554w928428 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:04:58 +1200 (NZST) Received: from planet.natlib.govt.nz (planet.natlib.govt.nz [192.122.171.130]) by jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f8554vI28424 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:04:57 +1200 (NZST) Received: from xtra.co.nz (bastowl.natlib.govt.nz [192.122.171.148]) by planet.natlib.govt.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8554jF28185 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:04:57 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <3B95B221.C6CD215@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:03:30 +1200 From: Lachlan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Digital Tach and Newbie! References: <200109041844.LAA12527@hektor.valesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:35:45 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Subject: Re: Digital Tach Since RPM seems to not need high acuracy you could do it with a LED array of say 50 LED's for an accuracy of 120RPM and a range of 6000RPM...how does that sound? I guess it would start to get expensive WRT the drivers but leds are cheapish. OH! Hi all, I have just joined the list hoping to learn somthing and input where I can. I have an electronics background (minimal) in Automotive computers and used to work for a company in Australia that repaired them but that was a long time (8 years) ago and only for a couple of years, though during that time I learnt a heap about automotive electronics and was exposed to BOSCH units of many types, ECC IV's, Nissan JECS on the 4 and 6 cyl Nissans and a few others, I also built a number of test rigs that would 'fake' the signals to the ECU for the purposes testing and the ECC IV was the most dificult to get 'out!' of limp mode.....anyhow a bit of a backgound, just don't expect any specific answers to questions like 'what is the basic idle, limp mode pulse width of the porche 928S?'! Good to be here and I will keep quite for a little while. :) regards, Lachlan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 22:52:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA22519 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:52:29 -0700 Received: from spinach.harvestroad.com.au (spinach.harvestroad.com.au [203.103.97.16]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA22514 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 22:52:21 -0700 Received: from chris.harvestroad.com (octopus.harvestroad.com.au [203.103.97.30]) by spinach.harvestroad.com.au (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f855q8424953 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:52:08 +0800 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010905134617.01bac8f0@spinach.harvestroad.com> X-Sender: chris@spinach.harvestroad.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:51:29 +0800 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Chris Waltham Subject: Re: Digital Tach and Newbie! In-Reply-To: <3B95B221.C6CD215@xtra.co.nz> References: <200109041844.LAA12527@hektor.valesh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi Lachlan, Know anything about the 1991 Nissan Pulsar GTi-R? :-) Chris also a newbie >Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 09:35:45 -0400 >From: Eric Fahlgren >Subject: Re: Digital Tach > >Since RPM seems to not need high acuracy you could do it with a LED array >of say >50 LED's for an accuracy of 120RPM and a range of 6000RPM...how does that >sound? I >guess it would start to get expensive WRT the drivers but leds are cheapish. > >OH! Hi all, I have just joined the list hoping to learn somthing and input >where I >can. > >I have an electronics background (minimal) in Automotive computers and used to >work for a company in Australia that repaired them but that was a long time (8 >years) ago and only for a couple of years, though during that time I >learnt a heap >about automotive electronics and was exposed to BOSCH units of many types, ECC >IV's, Nissan JECS on the 4 and 6 cyl Nissans and a few others, I also built a >number of test rigs that would 'fake' the signals to the ECU for the purposes >testing and the ECC IV was the most dificult to get 'out!' of limp >mode.....anyhow >a bit of a backgound, just don't expect any specific answers to questions like >'what is the basic idle, limp mode pulse width of the porche 928S?'! > >Good to be here and I will keep quite for a little while. :) > >regards, >Lachlan. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) >in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org -- Chris Waltham Systems Administrator HarvestRoad, Limited. chris@harvestroad.com phone: (08) 9338-3000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Tue Sep 4 23:35:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA22745 for diy_efi-outgoing; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:35:12 -0700 Received: from rtr250 (cp8088-a.dbsch1.nb.nl.home.com [213.51.51.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA22736 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:34:55 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cp8088-a.dbsch1.nb.nl.home.com [213.51.51.6] claimed to be rtr250 Received: from local-ip[x.x.x.x] by rtr250; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:37:10 +0200 From: "Bert Bakker" To: Subject: sensor purchase Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:35:20 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c135d4$efc860b0$6401a8c0@bits.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C135E5.B35130B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <56E3A1D41F497348BB796D04459B7B200B05EC@rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de> X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 0000000026981296461ED111B69B0020AFF51B05C4B24A04 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C135E5.B35130B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Bernd, Sounds great!! Is the part number the same as the wb-project number? Where is 'local' to you? Or could we form a small purchase group? Bert | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On | Behalf Of Rausch, Bernd | Sent: dinsdag 4 september 2001 17:10 | To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org | Subject: AW: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase | | | Hi Bert, | | I saked my local Honda dealer two weeks ago, the sensor is about DM | 300+VAT in Germany. | Bernd | | -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- | Von: Bert Bakker [mailto:bert.bakker@bakker-it.nl] | Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. September 2001 15:43 | An: diy_efi@diy-efi.org | Betreff: RE: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase | | | | | SENSOR | | ------ | | As PCBs have not shipped yet, I have not actually finalised the | | Honda/NTK sensor group purchase (which is currently at qty. 15). | | All PCB purchasers have been given the opportunity to beat The | | Parts Bin price of US$117.78 + freight - if we can do better, then | | I'll go with that, but that looks like the best deal. | | Hi, | | I called a local Honda dealer over here and a sensor costs | appr. US$ 325 | (equivalent) excl. VAT. So your deal is much better! | Is it possible to join the sensor group purchase from the | Netherlands, | Europe? How do we make things happen? | | The Honda Civic 1.5 VTEC 92-95 sensor seems to have a | different number | over | here: 36531-P06-A01 (instead of 36531-P07-003). 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Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:45:52 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f88.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.88]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA22820 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:45:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f88.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.88] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:45:14 -0700 Received: from 213.51.51.6 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 06:45:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.51.51.6] From: "Yaz zo" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: sensor datasheet Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:45:13 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2001 06:45:14.0040 (UTC) FILETIME=[50F21380:01C135D6] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi, Is there someone who can help me to acquire the NTK UEGO sensor datasheet (may send large info directly to yazzoe@hotmail.com)? Or can point out where to find it? Thanks, Yaz _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 00:53:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id AAA23297 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:53:13 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA23293; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:52:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA00107; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:06:48 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B95DA55.EE000BE8@techedge.com.au> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:55:01 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY-WB boards status and AU orders UPDATE read this References: <3.0.32.20010905031751.009aa100@pop3.liii.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bob Valentine wrote: > > 2. AUSTRALIAN (AU) BUYERS: > > It's not right that someone offered to do a group purchase for your area to > save on shipping costs, and then *after the fact* decided to turn a profit. > So just buy the boards, *AT EXACT COST*, directly from the USA. Bob, you know the facts, and they are not as you describe them. All Australian buyers can get an Australian designed board thru' me at cost + $0. And if that cost is more than AU$20 I'll personally subsidise each board. This PCB will have an A/D converter and a serial (RS232) output. I'm also working on an add-on display with integrated 10 channel data logger (32 k byte or more) and 2 x 16 line LCD for stand-alone operation. > 3. It's really sad to come back from the weekend to 50+ "is the WB project > dead?" emails and the GMECM list in an all out flame war. I won't involved in an on-list flame war, but I will also say I'm dismayed too, Bob. Bob - you are bouncing my emails - is this intentional? Also, I have received a dozen or so virus emails - this is probably co-incidental, but this is my monthly quota in a single morning. I'm working on tracking down the source, I'll keep the group posted. Peter. PS. Sorry for the double posting - perhaps we need another list Steve? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 01:28:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA23788 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:28:52 -0700 Received: from proxy2.edmi.com.au (IDENT:root@elede1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.64.220]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA23784 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:28:42 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host IDENT:root@elede1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.64.220] claimed to be proxy2.edmi.com.au Received: from pdd.edmi.com.au (smash_2 [10.1.1.198]) by proxy2.edmi.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07859 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:34:48 +1000 Received: from christianh (christianh [10.1.1.28]) by pdd.edmi.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA23723 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:28:06 +1000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:28:02 +1000 Message-ID: <01C13638.7F06B8E0.christianh@pdd.edmi.com.au> From: Christian Hack To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: Re: Digital Tach and Newbie! Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:27:56 +1000 Organization: EDMI Product Development X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Don't go all quiet on us Lachlan! There are a few would be JECS hackers (lurkers) around and given there is next to no info available on them, I'm sure anything you can tell us would be appreciated. Everynow and then someone asks about them. Were you mainly just repairing them? Did you have schematics at all or did your repairs mainly involve replacing dried out electros, fixing bad solder joints etc? Thanks, Christian > Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:03:30 +1200 > From: Lachlan > Subject: Re: Digital Tach and Newbie! > > > I have an electronics background (minimal) in Automotive computers and used to > work for a company in Australia that repaired them but that was a long time (8 > years) ago and only for a couple of years, though during that time I learnt a heap > about automotive electronics and was exposed to BOSCH units of many types, ECC > IV's, Nissan JECS on the 4 and 6 cyl Nissans and a few others, I also built a > number of test rigs that would 'fake' the signals to the ECU for the purposes > testing and the ECC IV was the most dificult to get 'out!' of limp mode.....anyhow > a bit of a backgound, just don't expect any specific answers to questions like > 'what is the basic idle, limp mode pulse width of the porche 928S?'! > > Good to be here and I will keep quite for a little while. :) > > regards, > Lachlan. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 01:33:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA23838 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:33:59 -0700 Received: from mgw-x2.nokia.com (mgw-x2.nokia.com [131.228.20.22]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA23832 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 01:33:50 -0700 From: Daniel.Maszkowski@nokia.com Received: from esvir02nok.nokia.com (esvir02nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.34]) by mgw-x2.nokia.com (Switch-2.1.0/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id f858Y6309111 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:34:06 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebh11nok.ntc.nokia.com (unverified) by esvir02nok.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:33:37 +0300 Received: by esebh11nok with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:33:37 +0300 Message-ID: To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: DIY-WB PCB boards files Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:30:30 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi, Would it be possible to get PCB file for DIY-WB, as I live in Poland, And making PCB here locally is much cheaper than import it form US. BR Daniel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 05:27:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA24981 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:27:57 -0700 Received: from fw-austin.austin.arm.com (firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id FAA24977 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:27:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host firewall-user@ns2.arm.com [208.202.62.114] claimed to be fw-austin.austin.arm.com Received: by fw-austin.austin.arm.com; id HAA01743; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:27:49 -0500 Received: from unknown(192.168.3.3) by fw-austin.austin.arm.com via smap (V5.0) id xma001737; Wed, 5 Sep 01 07:27:15 -0500 Received: from arm.com (auspc21 [192.168.3.121]) by aussun1.austin.arm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA11500 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:27:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B961916.3E3A4C58@arm.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 07:22:46 -0500 From: steve ravet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: DIY-WB boards status and AU orders UPDATE read this References: <3.0.32.20010905031751.009aa100@pop3.liii.com> <3B95DA55.EE000BE8@techedge.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Peter Gargano wrote: > PS. Sorry for the double posting - perhaps we need another list Steve? Sure, one for off topic discussions and the 3 that we have. We could setup flame@diy-efi.org. In general there's no need for double posting. DIY-WB is not really related to gmecm, so the discussion should be confined to diy_efi. --steve -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@arm.com ARM,Inc. www.arm.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 05:37:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA25079 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:37:17 -0700 Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com (mail2.verizonwireless.com [199.74.158.61]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA25074 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:37:09 -0700 From: Steve.Flanagan@VerizonWireless.com X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mail2.verizonwireless.com [199.74.158.61] claimed to be mail.verizonwireless.com Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com by mail.verizonwireless.com (414/1100) with ESMTP id f85CP4706328 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqbedigwy2.corp.bam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:34:42 -0400 Message-ID: To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: The list is busy screaming .. Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:34:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I will take up as little BW as possible. DROP THIS TOPIC!!! Or take it off list. If I wanted this type of morning entertainment, I would watch Jerry Springer. SF -----Original Message----- From: Brian L Massey [mailto:blocklm@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:16 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. On Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:06:33 -0700 Brian Renegar writes: > What's the difference between having the board and > components > built, and just the board built?? I'll take a stab at that by asking another rhetorical question. What's the difference between buying a board all built, and buying a commercial product? Yes, you have a disinterested party, but you also have just created the same as a commercial product, except for the price. The person has a wb now, and more cheaply, but what did he do himself? Was the purpose of the project to provide everyone with a cheap already built product? Or was it intended primarily as a DIY project? IIRC, that was explained with the objection to just farming out the mass-production of them. Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 06:18:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25465 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:18:03 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA25459 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:17:57 -0700 Received: from [206.99.139.8] (account ) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.4.6) with HTTP id 32731918; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:17:51 -0400 From: "rr" Subject: DIY-WB boards status and AU orders UPDATE read this To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:17:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org 0. First and foremost, the DIY-WB project is *NOT* dead. IT WILL GO ON. This is a *not for profit* project and it will stay that way, period. 1. Future availiblity. Some have asked about extras, or more boards in the future. After the current mess is solved I will post a message about this. 2. AUSTRALIAN (AU) BUYERS: It's not right that someone offered to do a group purchase for your area to save on shipping costs, and then *after the fact* decided to turn a profit. So just buy the boards, *AT EXACT COST*, directly from the USA. To do this, send me an email at wideband@tecmark.com with: Subject line "AU BUYER" Your name Your full address The original quantity you ordered with Peter Gargano. Be honest here. How do you want to pay, online or check / money order in US funds? You will be contacted with a total and payment info. 3. It's really sad to come back from the weekend to 50+ "is the WB project dead?" emails and the GMECM list in an all out flame war. - Bob Valentine - wideband@tecmark.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 06:36:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25597 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:36:42 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA25569; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:35:58 -0700 Received: from [206.99.139.8] (account ) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.4.6) with HTTP id 32734926; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:35:55 -0400 From: "rr" Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB To: "GM-ECM List" , "diy-efi list" X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.4.6 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:35:55 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c135c0$c69aa0e0$20613942@triad.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org This is great news Mark. The stinger looks neat also. Can see why you get looks & chuckling. I had one guy ask who I was trying to email when he saw the cable taped to the side of the car leading into the back window. BobR. On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:10:54 -0400 "Mark S. Riley" wrote: > I've posted 3 pictures I took this afternoon of the > DIY-WB next to the > Horiba. > http://www.turbotuneusltd.nstemp.com/wideband/ > Shows the 2 bonger tail pipe stinger. Should have seen > the kids laughing at > it when we went to lunch. > From the little bit I been able to drive it today, it's a > very close match > to the Horiba. The Horiba is displaying down to the > hundreth of an air fuel > ratio. This is much finer than the hundreths of a volt > shown on the meter. > But looking at the voltage to a/f chart so far everything > matches very well. > Warm up time is about 35-40 seconds. Just a little bit > longer than the > Horiba. I added 2 led's to show power for the 2 power > leads. > later, Mark > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 06:40:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25649 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:40:25 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA25644 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:40:08 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.173]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010905134006.RIJK29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:40:06 -0400 Message-ID: <00f101c0173e$e856fcc0$ad0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:40:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I keep having kids ask to go ahead and shoot flames. Bruce From: "rr" Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB > This is great news Mark. The stinger looks neat also. Can > see why you get looks & chuckling. I had one guy ask who > I was trying to email when he saw the cable taped to the > side of the car leading into the back window. > BobR. > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:10:54 -0400 > "Mark S. Riley" wrote: > > I've posted 3 pictures I took this afternoon of the > > DIY-WB next to the > > Horiba. > > http://www.turbotuneusltd.nstemp.com/wideband/ > > Shows the 2 bonger tail pipe stinger. Should have seen > > the kids laughing at > > it when we went to lunch. > > From the little bit I been able to drive it today, it's a > > very close match > > to the Horiba. The Horiba is displaying down to the > > hundreth of an air fuel > > ratio. This is much finer than the hundreths of a volt > > shown on the meter. > > But looking at the voltage to a/f chart so far everything > > matches very well. > > Warm up time is about 35-40 seconds. Just a little bit > > longer than the > > Horiba. I added 2 led's to show power for the 2 power > > leads. > > later, Mark > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 06:43:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA25710 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:43:56 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA25703; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:43:46 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.173]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010905134345.RKPL29133.tiberius@bruce>; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:43:45 -0400 Message-ID: <00f901c0173f$6b109040$ad0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: , "GM-ECM List" References: Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:44:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I've been thinking of on my next *pipe* to go with the smallest diameter they have, and much shorter on the outboard part of the tubing. It just seems that, as long as the engine is running there will be more exhuast pressure then atmosphere, so dilution shouldn't be a problem. Bruce From: "rr" Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB > This is great news Mark. The stinger looks neat also. Can > see why you get looks & chuckling. I had one guy ask who > I was trying to email when he saw the cable taped to the > side of the car leading into the back window. > BobR. > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:10:54 -0400 > "Mark S. Riley" wrote: > > I've posted 3 pictures I took this afternoon of the > > DIY-WB next to the > > Horiba. > > http://www.turbotuneusltd.nstemp.com/wideband/ > > Shows the 2 bonger tail pipe stinger. Should have seen > > the kids laughing at > > it when we went to lunch. > > From the little bit I been able to drive it today, it's a > > very close match > > to the Horiba. The Horiba is displaying down to the > > hundreth of an air fuel > > ratio. This is much finer than the hundreths of a volt > > shown on the meter. > > But looking at the voltage to a/f chart so far everything > > matches very well. > > Warm up time is about 35-40 seconds. Just a little bit > > longer than the > > Horiba. I added 2 led's to show power for the 2 power > > leads. > > later, Mark ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 06:59:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA26072 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:59:07 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA26066; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:58:59 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.173]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010905135852.TQWP333.lateralus@bruce>; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:58:52 -0400 Message-ID: <013c01c01741$878928c0$ad0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: , References: <3.0.32.20010905031751.009aa100@pop3.liii.com> <3B95DA55.EE000BE8@techedge.com.au> Subject: Re: DIY-WB boards status and AU orders UPDATE read this Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:59:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org When you start telling stories and conflicting ones at that, then no one knows when you might be actually telling the truth. You now claim to just have been playing a game/trick on the list, well, gee, guess what, it backfired. Those are the facts. Bruce From: "Peter Gargano" Subject: Re: DIY-WB boards status and AU orders UPDATE read this > > Bob, you know the facts, and they are not as you describe them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 07:15:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA26654 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:15:26 -0700 Received: from eid01.eidnet.org ([206.191.105.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA26648 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:15:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [206.191.105.11] claimed to be eid01.eidnet.org Received: from oemcomputer ([206.191.105.82]) by eid01.eidnet.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59363U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:07:33 -0600 Message-ID: <006901c13615$52b21460$a4d1fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Programmer" To: References: <00f901c0173f$6b109040$ad0ac9d8@bruce> Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:16:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I haven't looked at what you guys have built yet, but have you thought about getting water up the pipe ?? Happens on ours all the time---we use a small old style Ford inline fuel filter( 1/8"pipe thread x 5/16" nipple) to trap the chunks and it actually retains a little water. Lyndon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" To: ; "GM-ECM List" Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB > > I've been thinking of on my next *pipe* to go with the smallest diameter > they have, and much shorter on the outboard part of the tubing. It just > seems that, as long as the engine is running there will be more exhuast > pressure then atmosphere, so dilution shouldn't be a problem. > Bruce > > > > > From: "rr" > Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB > > This is great news Mark. The stinger looks neat also. Can > > see why you get looks & chuckling. I had one guy ask who > > I was trying to email when he saw the cable taped to the > > side of the car leading into the back window. > > BobR. > > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:10:54 -0400 > > "Mark S. Riley" wrote: > > > I've posted 3 pictures I took this afternoon of the > > > DIY-WB next to the > > > Horiba. > > > http://www.turbotuneusltd.nstemp.com/wideband/ > > > Shows the 2 bonger tail pipe stinger. Should have seen > > > the kids laughing at > > > it when we went to lunch. > > > From the little bit I been able to drive it today, it's a > > > very close match > > > to the Horiba. The Horiba is displaying down to the > > > hundreth of an air fuel > > > ratio. This is much finer than the hundreths of a volt > > > shown on the meter. > > > But looking at the voltage to a/f chart so far everything > > > matches very well. > > > Warm up time is about 35-40 seconds. Just a little bit > > > longer than the > > > Horiba. I added 2 led's to show power for the 2 power > > > leads. > > > later, Mark > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 07:18:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA26734 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:18:02 -0700 Received: from eid01.eidnet.org ([206.191.105.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA26725 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:17:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [206.191.105.11] claimed to be eid01.eidnet.org Received: from oemcomputer ([206.191.105.82]) by eid01.eidnet.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59363U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:10:04 -0600 Message-ID: <007101c13615$acc9bd40$a4d1fea9@oemcomputer> From: "Programmer" To: References: <00f101c0173e$e856fcc0$ad0ac9d8@bruce> Subject: Re: pipe Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:18:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Oops...after seeing it, there wouldn't be a problem. Lyndon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB > > I keep having kids ask to go ahead and shoot flames. > Bruce > > > From: "rr" > Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB > > This is great news Mark. The stinger looks neat also. Can > > see why you get looks & chuckling. I had one guy ask who > > I was trying to email when he saw the cable taped to the > > side of the car leading into the back window. > > BobR. > > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:10:54 -0400 > > "Mark S. Riley" wrote: > > > I've posted 3 pictures I took this afternoon of the > > > DIY-WB next to the > > > Horiba. > > > http://www.turbotuneusltd.nstemp.com/wideband/ > > > Shows the 2 bonger tail pipe stinger. Should have seen > > > the kids laughing at > > > it when we went to lunch. > > > From the little bit I been able to drive it today, it's a > > > very close match > > > to the Horiba. The Horiba is displaying down to the > > > hundreth of an air fuel > > > ratio. This is much finer than the hundreths of a volt > > > shown on the meter. > > > But looking at the voltage to a/f chart so far everything > > > matches very well. > > > Warm up time is about 35-40 seconds. Just a little bit > > > longer than the > > > Horiba. I added 2 led's to show power for the 2 power > > > leads. > > > later, Mark > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 07:21:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA26841 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:21:03 -0700 Received: from mail.t-intra.de (mail.t-intra.de [62.156.146.210]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA26829 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:20:47 -0700 Received: from rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de ([217.6.108.90]) by mail.t-intra.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.507.50); Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:20:00 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: was sensor purchase, now group purchase X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:19:51 +0200 Message-ID: <56E3A1D41F497348BB796D04459B7B2001873F@rnt_xchg_srv2.intern.rnt.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sensor purchase Thread-Index: AcE11O8M6h1S+gumRP2DEOP2QP2KdAAMb4zw From: "Rausch, Bernd" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hektor.valesh.com id HAA26830 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi Bert, the sensor is the 36531-P07-003. I have just been at the dealer again (I live in Karlsruhe, Germany), the price is DM 330+16%VAT=DM 383. I asked about discount for 10, they gave me 10%. The boss was not there, maybe I could convince him to give some more (I know him personally). I would be willing to organize a group purchase (Europe only), if interested please mail me directly (br@rnt.de) with UEGO in the headline. I will offer this service probably only once. If I have the number of sensors, I can tell the exact price. I have not done much shipping outside of Germany, I would have to ask for rates. After I can set a price, there will be a order time of about two weeks, maybe 09/23 ? Any suggestions ? I will send out the sensors for the cost of the sensor+shipping, but you have to pay in advance. I am not making any money with this deal (in fact I have to pay an employee of mine to do the packing and shipping). I am not going to build the DIY-WB because I already have an ECU with UEGO sensors. Best regards, Bernd -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]Im Auftrag von Bert Bakker Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. September 2001 08:35 An: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Betreff: sensor purchase Hi Bernd, Sounds great!! Is the part number the same as the wb-project number? Where is 'local' to you? Or could we form a small purchase group? Bert | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On | Behalf Of Rausch, Bernd | Sent: dinsdag 4 september 2001 17:10 | To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org | Subject: AW: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase | | | Hi Bert, | | I saked my local Honda dealer two weeks ago, the sensor is about DM | 300+VAT in Germany. | Bernd | | -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- | Von: Bert Bakker [mailto:bert.bakker@bakker-it.nl] | Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. September 2001 15:43 | An: diy_efi@diy-efi.org | Betreff: RE: Oz DIY-WB board & sensor group purchase | | | | | SENSOR | | ------ | | As PCBs have not shipped yet, I have not actually finalised the | | Honda/NTK sensor group purchase (which is currently at qty. 15). | | All PCB purchasers have been given the opportunity to beat The | | Parts Bin price of US$117.78 + freight - if we can do better, then | | I'll go with that, but that looks like the best deal. | | Hi, | | I called a local Honda dealer over here and a sensor costs | appr. US$ 325 | (equivalent) excl. VAT. So your deal is much better! | Is it possible to join the sensor group purchase from the | Netherlands, | Europe? How do we make things happen? | | The Honda Civic 1.5 VTEC 92-95 sensor seems to have a | different number | over | here: 36531-P06-A01 (instead of 36531-P07-003). Is there a difference | between the US and the European car model? | | Also, is a datasheet of the sensor available? | | Regards, | Bert | | | ------------------------------------------------------------- | ----------- | ---- | To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the | quotes) | in the body of a message (not the subject) to | majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org | | | ------------------------------------------------------------- | --------------- | To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" | (without the quotes) | in the body of a message (not the subject) to | majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 07:54:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA27398 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:54:39 -0700 Received: from jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov [139.169.39.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id HAA27394 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:54:32 -0700 Received: from 139.169.39.19 by jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:53:57 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Received: by jsc-ems-gws03.jsc.nasa.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:53:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: "BOWEN, SCOTT M. (JSC-CC) (LM)" To: "'DIY_EFI@lists.diy-efi.org'" Subject: Nissan ECU!?!?! Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:51:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Did he say JECS repairer!?!? Oh, I have been a lurker here forever waiting for something like this to pop up! Lachlan has gotten my attention with that post. I have been trying to hack the '91 240SX ECU here forever, as I am a cheap dude who doesn't want to pay Jim Wolf Technologies the $700 they are asking.... I am REAL interested in anything you have to say about the A12-001 B57 [3] Nissan JECS ECU.... Thanks! Scott Bowen Houston, TX 77034 Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 09:22:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28081 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:22:51 -0700 Received: from mout02.kundenserver.de (mout02.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.133]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28077 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:22:44 -0700 Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdom00.schlund.de) by mout02.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15efRr-0002w4-00 for DIY_EFI@lists.diy-efi.org; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:22:43 +0200 Received: from [212.12.56.92] (helo=tux1) by mrvdom00.schlund.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15efRo-0001Ow-00 for DIY_EFI@lists.diy-efi.org; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:22:41 +0200 From: "Malte Struebert" To: Subject: Honda PGM-FI disassembler or so?! Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:23:18 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hallo, does anyone know where i can find a disassembler for the OKI M66x301 microprocessor for the Honda PGM-FI ECU??? or is there another way to find out what the code in the eprom stands for or how the ECU programm work? hope anyone could help me because there are very less information about the Honda ECU on the net. thanks Malte. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 09:26:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28118 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:26:04 -0700 Received: from csun.edu (krusty.csun.edu [130.166.1.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28114 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:25:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host krusty.csun.edu [130.166.1.51] claimed to be csun.edu Received: from csun.edu (dhcp2-154.ecs.csun.edu [130.166.2.154]) by csun.edu (8.9.3 (MessagingDirect 1.0.4)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17748600 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B967BC3.449E27EE@csun.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 12:23:47 -0700 From: Stewart Prince X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: sensor datasheet References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Yaz I posted an acrobat file of some NTK sensor info on the FTP site a couple of months ago. I believe it was labeled "NTK." S. Prince Yaz zo wrote: > Hi, > > Is there someone who can help me to acquire the NTK UEGO sensor datasheet > (may send large info directly to yazzoe@hotmail.com)? > > Or can point out where to find it? > > Thanks, > Yaz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org -- STEWART PRINCE PROFESSOR, MECHANICAL ENGINEERING CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY, NORTHRIDGE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 09:28:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28188 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:28:54 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28175; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:28:29 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.99]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010905162828.VIFH29133.tiberius@bruce>; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:28:28 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c01756$6dfe9100$63258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: , Subject: WB misc Part Numbers Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:29:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The box I'm using for my WB is a Radio Shack 270-1806 Standoffs to mount the board on the inside of the lid are 276-195a, and then the 12 wire barrier is a 274-680. Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 09:32:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28266 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:32:47 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28262; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:32:38 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.99]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010905163235.VLCW29133.tiberius@bruce>; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:32:35 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01c01757$0137c680$63258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: , References: <00f901c0173f$6b109040$ad0ac9d8@bruce> <006901c13615$52b21460$a4d1fea9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 12:33:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org The issue of condensation, has been covered, but, for the folks too busy to read the archives. You want to set the sensor's mounting so that condensation, can't accumulate around the sensor. So post converter might be a bad idea long term, since in some weather conditions a cold start means blowing the condensation from the converter core past an as yet warming sensor. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Programmer" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB > I haven't looked at what you guys have built yet, but > have you thought about getting water up the pipe ?? Happens on ours all the > time---we use a small old style > Ford inline fuel filter( 1/8"pipe thread x 5/16" nipple) to trap the chunks > and it actually retains a little water. > > Lyndon. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce" > To: ; "GM-ECM List" > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB > > > > > > I've been thinking of on my next *pipe* to go with the smallest diameter > > they have, and much shorter on the outboard part of the tubing. It just > > seems that, as long as the engine is running there will be more exhuast > > pressure then atmosphere, so dilution shouldn't be a problem. > > Bruce > > > > > > > > > > From: "rr" > > Subject: Re: Pictures of DIY-WB > > > This is great news Mark. The stinger looks neat also. Can > > > see why you get looks & chuckling. I had one guy ask who > > > I was trying to email when he saw the cable taped to the > > > side of the car leading into the back window. > > > BobR. > > > > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:10:54 -0400 > > > "Mark S. Riley" wrote: > > > > I've posted 3 pictures I took this afternoon of the > > > > DIY-WB next to the > > > > Horiba. > > > > http://www.turbotuneusltd.nstemp.com/wideband/ > > > > Shows the 2 bonger tail pipe stinger. Should have seen > > > > the kids laughing at > > > > it when we went to lunch. > > > > From the little bit I been able to drive it today, it's a > > > > very close match > > > > to the Horiba. The Horiba is displaying down to the > > > > hundreth of an air fuel > > > > ratio. This is much finer than the hundreths of a volt > > > > shown on the meter. > > > > But looking at the voltage to a/f chart so far everything > > > > matches very well. > > > > Warm up time is about 35-40 seconds. Just a little bit > > > > longer than the > > > > Horiba. I added 2 led's to show power for the 2 power > > > > leads. > > > > later, Mark > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 09:42:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28539 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:42:12 -0700 Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA28525 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:41:59 -0700 Received: from cc693406-a.hntsvlle1.al.home.com (HELO 1cc693406a) (65.11.182.46) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 16:41:57 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <008201c13629$bbfc07a0$0300a8c0@home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:42:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org No. It's a consideration of reason. I believe that when the offer was made it should have been accepted or rejected by the reader. But, righteous indignation got in the way. Nasty thing, that. My opinion: My understanding is that the boards were to be handled at cost. The offer to sell parts at a markup was an offered service. Totally different situation. The board deal was a very nice gesture and I'm sure appreciated by the Aussies. The parts deal should have been handled away from the list, only because it's commercial. I gather that was appreciated by some. We in the states take so much for granted that we sometimes go off half cocked (I did.) I see the error of my ways. Of course I'm one of those that does make misteaks. dh _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 09:50:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA28786 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:50:27 -0700 Received: from master.adams.com (master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA28776 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:50:16 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host master1.adams.com [65.201.211.53] claimed to be master.adams.com Received: from adams.com (IDENT:root@srvr8 [192.9.200.19]) by master.adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18467 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adams.com (rigel [192.168.22.210]) by adams.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07784 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:50:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3B9657C2.67C5893C@adams.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 12:50:10 -0400 From: Eric Fahlgren Organization: Mechanical Dynamics, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX64 6.5 IP30) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: sensor datasheet References: <3B967BC3.449E27EE@csun.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Stewart Prince wrote: > > Yaz > I posted an acrobat file of some NTK sensor info on the FTP site a couple of > months ago. I believe it was labeled "NTK." > S. Prince Is this it? ftp://ftp.diy-efi.org/incoming/NTK_uego.pdf (About 3.9 meg.) -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 10:46:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA29444 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:46:56 -0700 Received: from csun.edu (krusty.csun.edu [130.166.1.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA29440 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:46:50 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host krusty.csun.edu [130.166.1.51] claimed to be csun.edu Received: from csun.edu (dhcp2-154.ecs.csun.edu [130.166.2.154]) by csun.edu (8.9.3 (MessagingDirect 1.0.4)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17853180 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B968EBC.29D32A41@csun.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:44:44 -0700 From: Stewart Prince X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: sensor datasheet References: <3B967BC3.449E27EE@csun.edu> <3B9657C2.67C5893C@adams.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org That's it. It contains the "typical" wire hookup, etc. as well as the air fuel ratio vs voltage for the ntk with their controller. The curve fit is the red scribble on tip. Eric Fahlgren wrote: > Stewart Prince wrote: > > > > Yaz > > I posted an acrobat file of some NTK sensor info on the FTP site a couple of > > months ago. I believe it was labeled "NTK." > > S. Prince > > Is this it? > > ftp://ftp.diy-efi.org/incoming/NTK_uego.pdf > > (About 3.9 meg.) > > -- > Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc > efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org -- STEWART PRINCE PROFESSOR, MECHANICAL ENGINEERING CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY, NORTHRIDGE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 11:32:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA29950 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:32:45 -0700 Received: from pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (pioneers1.mts.mb.ca [142.160.2.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA29946 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:32:30 -0700 From: Neil.Poersch@mts.mb.ca Received: from smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca (smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca [142.160.162.230]) by pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA08963 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:31:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: DIY-WB boards status and AU orders UPDATE read this To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:31:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SMTP_MTS/GW/MTS(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 09/05/2001 01:31:05 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Bob, Thanks for the breath of fresh air. Neil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 12:33:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA30378 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:33:14 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30364; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:32:26 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.99]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010905193223.ZIDD29133.tiberius@bruce>; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:32:23 -0400 Message-ID: <01cd01c01770$1f841620$63258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: , Subject: WB assembly guestion Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:33:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Is epoxing the 5W resistor to the lid of the project box OK?. Bruce ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 12:55:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA30575 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:55:55 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f285.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.160]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA30570 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:55:46 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f285.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.160] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:55:14 -0700 Received: from 132.236.178.151 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:55:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [132.236.178.151] From: "Santi Udomkesmalee" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Digital Tach and Newbie! Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:55:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2001 19:55:14.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE0A2120:01C13644] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >Since RPM seems to not need high accuracy you could do it with a LED array >of say >50 LED's for an accuracy of 120RPM and a range of 6000RPM...how does that >sound? I >guess it would start to get expensive WRT the drivers but leds are >cheapish. That sounds like a great solution, but I don't know where to start. Where is a good place to pick up signal that I'll be dealing with. To give you an Idea of my experience so far, let me tell you a little bit about myself. I am currently a sophomore attending Cornell University as a physics major. Over the summer I did get some experience programming the AltiVec unit on the G4 processor and doing some code vectorization. I know a lot about cars, but their electronics are quite foreign to me. My Car experience includes taking an ASE certified course in Automotive Performance, and I have also restored a '68 Caddy Deville Convt. In terms of electronics I am currently taking a course on circuits and such, but the year has just started, and I have yet to learn anything useful. As of now I can put electronics together, but I have little to no understanding of designing circuits, and what the specific parts do. That being said, is anyone out there willing to help be design and implement this "led" tach? I would greatly appreciate it. I hope that in the future, I will be able to contribute much more to this group. I am about to join the Cornell SAE Formula team (which for those of you don't know, is an competition in which school build a race car from scratch, and race with other schools.) This car's EFI system is also designed and implemented from scratch. This is the part of the team which I am most interested, and hopefully once I have some experience with that I can contribute to the group, instead of just asking questions. So, if anybody is willing to help me with this tach, i'd really appreciate it! -Santi Udomkesmalee (sorry for rambling) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 13:08:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA30675 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:08:07 -0700 Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30671 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:07:59 -0700 Received: from [216.232.168.36] (helo=Snoopy) by mail.islandnet.com with ESMTP id 15eixj-000P3g-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:07:51 -0700 From: "John Dammeyer" To: Subject: RE: WB assembly guestion Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:12:02 -0700 Organization: Automation Artisans Inc. Message-ID: <001501c13647$073a8c60$0100a8c0@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <01cd01c01770$1f841620$63258fd1@bruce> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi Bruce, I wouldn't do that as a 5W resistor can get too hot to touch. If you want to heatsink the resistor hold it to the box with a small clip or bracket. Regards, John Dammeyer -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:33 PM To: gmecm@diy-efi.org; diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: WB assembly guestion Is epoxing the 5W resistor to the lid of the project box OK?. Bruce ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 13:33:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id NAA30916 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:33:15 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA30912 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:33:04 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsv1G3UwYwDqzd2YS5JFM4rUVpYK/dMvdGA=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GELP7W8F; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:32:25 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:32:46 -0700 Subject: Re: WB assembly guestion Message-ID: <20010905.133248.158.13.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,8-9,13-16,18-19 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:33:08 -0400 "Bruce" writes: > > Is epoxing the 5W resistor to the lid of the project box OK?. A bit unconventional, but you might get away with it. Might not. Some epoxies soften just below the boiling point of water, but IIRC most are starting to lose their strength as low as 150F. Plus, they aren't known for being the best heat-conductive material. If you find it doesn't work out, you can get some 5W resistors that are meant to bolt on a heat sink or chassis. Then you can also use some good heatsink grease. I'm using some I got from digikey. Go to their website and try this number: TMC5-1.0-ND Get some tiny screws (#4 or smaller?), some heatsink grease, and you should be set. Brian ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 14:03:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA31196 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:03:12 -0700 Received: from mail4.mx.voyager.net (mail4.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.203]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31191 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:03:03 -0700 Received: from jim (max4-13.cleveland.corecomm.net [216.214.175.141] (may be forged)) by mail4.mx.voyager.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f84Gwq009314 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <024201c1364d$cab18da0$0100a8c0@jim> From: "Jim Yeagley" To: References: <200108310028.f7V0Ssg04289@flywheel.innovative.iinet.net.au> <0e4001c13210$d9787420$0100a8c0@jim> Subject: Programming_101.zip Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:57:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Seems there's a problem in the first text file of the archive. Thanks to the few who've brought that to my attention. I did the editing at work, and carried it home on I guess a bogus floppy. I'll be back there in a week, and get the archive replaced asap. Sorry, Jim Yeagley ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 14:15:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA31315 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:15:30 -0700 Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA31311 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:15:23 -0700 Received: from toque.cisco.com (toque.cisco.com [161.44.208.153]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f85LEVp23959 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EDENBROE-W2K4.cisco.com ([161.44.215.218]) by toque.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AAV15130; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010905171226.0169ade8@toque.cisco.com> X-Sender: edenbroe@toque.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 17:14:11 -0500 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Ernst den Broeder Subject: Re: WB assembly guestion In-Reply-To: <20010905.133248.158.13.blocklm@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 01:32 PM 9/5/2001 -0700, you wrote: >On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:33:08 -0400 "Bruce" writes: > > > > Is epoxing the 5W resistor to the lid of the project box OK?. Loctite 384 is a thermal conductive adhesive... I use it all the time in our environmental lab at work. -Ernst ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 15:11:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA32147 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:11:42 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA32137; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:11:28 -0700 Received: from [216.107.3.51] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 32821134; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:11:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3B96A40D.3C1B0AEF@nni.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:15:41 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org CC: gmecm@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: WB assembly guestion References: <01cd01c01770$1f841620$63258fd1@bruce> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I prefer to use RTV. It is also a heat conductive compound. Just be sure that you use the sensor safe material . (ultra copper is my favorite). BobR. Bruce wrote: > Is epoxing the 5W resistor to the lid of the project box OK?. > Bruce > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 15:11:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA32140 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:11:31 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA32132 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:11:22 -0700 Received: from [216.107.3.51] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 32821115 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:11:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3B96A404.857BB3BC@nni.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:15:32 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org You guys just don't get it, do you? If anyone wants to charge for 'helping out', then they should bow out. It is that simple. Why does money need to change hands for 'helping out'. BobR. Jeff Meager wrote: > Agreed..... > > Must be an Aussie thing.... > > Jeff > > Perth, Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Don DRI05 Ricciardiello > Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2001 12:41 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > > Well said....... > > Don > > Sydney, Australia > > From: Geoff Swavley @diy-efi.org on 05/09/2001 13:56 > > Please respond to diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > Sent by: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > To: diy efi > cc: > Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > > I am an Aussie, and am grateful to Peter for offering the service. > It would cost me waaaaaaaay more than $20 to take time off work > and dick around with various parts vendors and paperwork. Peter > is *saving* me money in offering to amortise the whole operation > into one central deal. > > I fully appreciate people not making money from the design testing > etc ... as I understand it Peter is just asking for some compensation > for the work involved in sourcing and bringing in things from the USA > which I do all of the time for both of my Pontiacs .. .and it is a pain > to have to deal with customs or even take time off work to venture to > the nearest post office when they decide to open to collect things. > On these days I don't even get to work until 10:30am. > > 'nuff said. > > geoffs :-) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Geoff Swavley Email : geoffs@radx.net > UNIX Sys Admin Snail : Level 8, 10 Valentine Ave, > Support and Network Operations Parramatta NSW 2150 > Dept of Land and Water Conservation Sydney Australia > Phone : 61-2-98957125 > http://www.radx.net/~geoffs Fax : 61-2-98957086 > Mobile: 61-425-224475 / 61-2-83004475 Home : 61-2-83389510 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 15:14:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA32232 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:14:10 -0700 Received: from jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (jupiter.natlib.govt.nz [203.167.235.76]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA32228 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:14:02 -0700 Received: from jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f85ME0927010 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:14:00 +1200 (NZST) Received: from planet.natlib.govt.nz (planet.natlib.govt.nz [192.122.171.130]) by jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f85MDxI27006 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:13:59 +1200 (NZST) Received: from shadbolt.natlib.govt.nz (shadbolt.natlib.govt.nz [203.167.235.59]) by planet.natlib.govt.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f85MDwF07672 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:13:59 +1200 (NZST) Received: from xtra.co.nz (bastowl.natlib.govt.nz [192.122.171.148]) by shadbolt.natlib.govt.nz; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:13:18 +1200 Message-ID: <3B96A33D.E62FAB5C@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:12:13 +1200 From: Lachlan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Digital Tach and Newbie....GTiR References: <200109050800.BAA23412@hektor.valesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Well, hi to you too! :) no not a thing! LOL most of the computers I worked on were usually up to about 88 or so since the older the more prone to die so the bulk of what we worked on would have been 5 years and older and of course all sorts of things came our way like a unit out of a ferrari ummm.... what was it again????...magneti marelli???? memory fails ...AGAIN! DOH.....fixed it though Actually if it is a jecs unit I may have some insight, what is the problem.....? I think they used to blow injector drivers and get lots of opens and I seems to remember fixing lots of burnt tracks.....there was also a proprietry controller that would die and we could not get replacements other than from other dead units...... Lachlan. ------------ Hi Lachlan, Know anything about the 1991 Nissan Pulsar GTi-R? :-) Chris also a newbie ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 15:15:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA32270 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:15:48 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.155]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA32266 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:15:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host f155.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.155] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:15:10 -0700 Received: from 213.51.51.6 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:15:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.51.51.6] From: "Yaz zo" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: sensor datasheet Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 00:15:10 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2001 22:15:10.0406 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A2BDE60:01C13658] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks! > >Yaz >I posted an acrobat file of some NTK sensor info on the FTP site a >couple >of >months ago. I believe it was labeled "NTK." >S. Prince > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 15:25:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA32466 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:25:56 -0700 Received: from edison.chisp.net (edison.chisp.net [207.174.31.1]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA32457; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:25:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (ciciora@localhost) by edison.chisp.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06816; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:26:12 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: edison.chisp.net: ciciora owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:26:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Steven Ciciora X-Sender: ciciora@edison.chisp.net To: gmecm@diy-efi.org, diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: WB02 Parts Kits update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Well, two weeks ago, I said I would take requests for the parts kit until today, but I forgot to post a 'last minute' reminder yesterday, so I'll take requests via the web site (http://208.37.117.207/kits.html) until tomorrow evning. Currently there are 297 requests (more than the 25 to 50 that I guessed! I hope all these people follow through and actually pay for their requests! I don't need _that_ many extra parts!), and not many have been added the last day or two. Please forgive me for not emailing confirmations, that's a lot of typeing to do! I hope to do that some time next week. I won't know the final price until after I order parts, but currently it looks like it's going to be less than $13/kit plus shipping. This kit does not include the sensor, enclosure, terminal strip, etc. Only the items listed on the web site that are available from Digikey. The items listed are only the items that mount on the PCB. There were some suggestions about including a box in the group buy, but I chickend out. I'd hate to choose a box that won't fit someone else's display unit that might get made. - Steven Ciciora ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 16:11:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA00741 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:11:01 -0700 Received: from avalon.siteprotect.com (avalon.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.99]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA00737 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:10:54 -0700 Received: from yuppertop (cm857764-a.ftwrth1.tx.home.com [24.6.18.138]) by avalon.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17961 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:10:53 -0500 From: "Raymond Brantley" To: Subject: RE: WB02 Parts Kits update Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:14:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Thanks for the update Steven !!! Raymond -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Steven Ciciora Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:26 PM To: gmecm@diy-efi.org; diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: WB02 Parts Kits update Well, two weeks ago, I said I would take requests for the parts kit until today, but I forgot to post a 'last minute' reminder yesterday, so I'll take requests via the web site (http://208.37.117.207/kits.html) until tomorrow evning. Currently there are 297 requests (more than the 25 to 50 that I guessed! I hope all these people follow through and actually pay for their requests! I don't need _that_ many extra parts!), and not many have been added the last day or two. Please forgive me for not emailing confirmations, that's a lot of typeing to do! I hope to do that some time next week. I won't know the final price until after I order parts, but currently it looks like it's going to be less than $13/kit plus shipping. This kit does not include the sensor, enclosure, terminal strip, etc. Only the items listed on the web site that are available from Digikey. The items listed are only the items that mount on the PCB. There were some suggestions about including a box in the group buy, but I chickend out. I'd hate to choose a box that won't fit someone else's display unit that might get made. - Steven Ciciora ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 16:20:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA00885 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:20:32 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA00879 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:20:24 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.99]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010905232017.UVVU333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:20:17 -0400 Message-ID: <02e601c0178f$f6336760$63258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: WB02 Parts Kits update Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:21:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org How refreshing. Thanks Steve Bruce From: "Steven Ciciora" Subject: WB02 Parts Kits update > Well, two weeks ago, I said I would take requests for the parts kit until > today, but I forgot to post a 'last minute' reminder yesterday, so I'll > take requests via the web site (http://208.37.117.207/kits.html) until > tomorrow evning. Currently there are 297 requests (more than the 25 to 50 > that I guessed! I hope all these people follow through and actually pay > for their requests! I don't need _that_ many extra parts!), and not many > have been added the last day or two. Please forgive me for not emailing > confirmations, that's a lot of typeing to do! I hope to do that some time > next week. > I won't know the final price until after I order parts, but currently it > looks like it's going to be less than $13/kit plus shipping. This kit does > not include the sensor, enclosure, terminal strip, etc. Only the items > listed on the web site that are available from Digikey. The items listed > are only the items that mount on the PCB. There were some suggestions > about including a box in the group buy, but I chickend out. I'd hate to > choose a box that won't fit someone else's display unit that might get > made. > - Steven Ciciora ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 16:41:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA01252 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:41:17 -0700 Received: from smtp.scotland.net (smtp.scotland.net [194.247.65.1]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01244 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:41:04 -0700 Received: from e1h2p65.scotland.net ([148.176.234.66] helo=hugh) by smtp.scotland.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15emHz-0002aJ-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 00:41:00 +0100 Message-ID: <007f01c13664$3fafcd40$b9ebb094@hugh> From: "Hugh Keir" To: References: <20010829195726.60241.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #718 - knock sensor / Autospeed articles / water injection / dynos etc Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 00:34:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Just read the Autospeed articles by Tim White which are based on his Bachelor of Engineering thesis presented in November 1999 to the University of New South Wales School of Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering. Any one know if copies are available from Tim or the University or are in the public domain so we can speak about them? The title of his thesis is:- "The Effect of Spark-Knock on the Performance of a Modern Spark-Ignition Engine'. The first page of each of the three parts of the article can be found at the following links. To see the remainder of each part you have to subscribe to Autospeed. http://www.autospeed.com/A_0587/page1.html http://www.autospeed.com/A_0594/page1.html http://www.autospeed.com/A_0601/page1.html The article talks about the types of sensors used in his tests. Conclusions are drawn in a number of areas including whether power is still rising in high compression engines at the onset of knock. The article also presents a table that shows amongst other things the number of °C effect of intake temperature etc that = 1 octane of fuel, allowing you to estimate the cost of reducing the various temperatures etc versus higher octane fuel and the cost of the modifications ( intercooler, water inj etc ) to your car. On a turbocharged car ( well mine anyway ) where you are tuning for more power you will at some point want to increase the boost and optimise the ignition and fuel. This will have obvious consequences on inlet temperature and the dreaded " knock ". The site http://www.aquamist.co.uk/dc/technic/technic.html shows a graph that backs up many of the results found by Tim White in the Autospeed article. The lines on the graph show cylinder pressure against crankshaft angle. It caught my eye that the area under the curve for the water injected ( blue line ) setup was significantly greater than the detonating ( red and yellow ) and the non detonating ( green line), which must mean significantly more power from a water injection setup. Water injection has now become a must have on my shopping list. The following articles show a DIY water injection kit:- http://www.autospeed.com/A_0527/page1.html part 1 http://www.autospeed.com/A_0534/P_1/article.html part 2 http://www.autospeed.com/A_0574/P_1/article.html part 3 http://www.autospeed.com/A_0578/P_1/article.html part 4 http://www.autospeed.com/A_0589/P_1/article.html part 5 http://www.autospeed.com/site/autospeed/images/0574_00.jpg shows a picture of the board http://www.autospeed.com/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?category=705&product=1280 - buy the kit for AU$ 107.25 = US $58 The DIY-WB has given me and I am sure others ( as soon as the boards and group buy parts are ready ) a fantastic opportunity to have a real go at optimising the performance ( don't know if my soldering is good enough yet but I'm sure gonna find out ) of our vehicles in a way that was previously never possible. Mix in a little of one of the following pieces of dyno ( sorry but I just don't want to do it on a rolling road, I want to do it myself ) software or possibly a datalog from my as yet unpurchased ECU. On Track Dyno http://www.ontrackdigital.com/generic.html?pid=4 Road Dyno http://www.charm.net/~mchaney/roaddyno/dyno.htm Revtrigger http://www.students.tut.fi/~eppu/bin/rev.html#Updates I have also found this self build datalogger http://www.geocities.com/93notch/EMS/ , though not sure how useful it might be. Only one thing missing in my life , ( well that I can admit to ) a .......... DIY KNOCK SENSOR .......... any thoughts possibly a modified version of the SAAB unit http://www.geocities.com/tv41mxa/tweakyourapc.html or http://web.inter.nl.net/users/turbo-team-europe/apc.htm or http://www.users.qwest.net/~qed/volvoapc/index.html With all the individuals that want to spoil the party and seem unable to say thanks to the DIY_WB team and abide by their rules, its hard to believe that there would be enough enthusiasm to do a DIY knock sensor, but maybe just maybe. This is a long post to get to the point that I am passionately interested in tuning my vehicle not because I race or want to show off or have any commercial interest, but because I care about how well I have made it run with tools available to me. Bruce and the team I take my hat of to you for your selfless efforts to bring the DIY-WB project to it's conclusion. I hope that I can do you justice by building the boards myself and reporting on how I have improved things on my vehicle. I also hope I may have some skill that you will find useful in the future. Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Agnello" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:57 PM Subject: Re: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #718 - knock sensor > > > > TVS wrote: > > > > > > > > I assume the frequency has some dependence on > > variables > > > > like bore diameter and combustion chamber shape, > > but is the knock detection > > > > circuitry likely to 'listen' for a wide range of > > frequency's or just a > > > > narrow band? > > > > > These are just educated guesses, but I suspect they > apply. Detonation is closely coupled to the pressure > wave in the combustion chamber. The pressure wave is > an acoustic event. As such, it should be influenced > by the geometry of the combustion chamber at the > instant of the event. The dominant mode's wavelength > will probably be proportional to the cylinder bore. > > If the event timespan is too short to propagate > laterally, then the dominant mode will probably be > related to the combustion chamber height at the time > of the event. Even if there is a lateral mode, I > wonder if the high frequency content in a knock signal > is due to the vertical mode(s)? > > WRT the cylinder head and/or block structure > influencing the dominant frequencies, I agree there > will be some interaction. Unlike the 10 Hz bell > analogy, I don't believe there will be a dominant > vibrational mode of the engine structure. These > structures are too complex to have a primary mode and > I'll bet auto manufacturers spend a lot of time > designing engine structures that don't have > significant vibrational modes. I know aircraft engine > manufacturers do this. If they didn't, the life of > the engine mounted fuel pumps, actuators, sensors, and > accessories would be severely shortened. > > What do y'all think? Remember, I'm just a lonely old > EE that likes to read SF.;) > > Autospeed published an article based on an Aussie grad > student's research into engine knock earlier this > year. Does anyone have a copy and does it shed light > on this issue? > > > ===== > Mark Agnello > Washington Crossing, PA (USA) > 88 Toyota Celica All Trac Turbo (restoration project) > 92 Toyota Celica All Trac Turbo > 96 Honda VFR > 89 Honda Hawk GT (restoration project) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 16:44:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA01357 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:44:33 -0700 Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA01352 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:44:26 -0700 Received: from cc693406-a.hntsvlle1.al.home.com (HELO 1cc693406a) (65.11.182.46) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2001 23:44:25 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <002301c13664$c0abd240$0300a8c0@home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: <3B96A404.857BB3BC@nni.com> Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:44:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org You don't get it. What if it does? dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "rr" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > > You guys just don't get it, do you? If anyone wants to charge for > 'helping out', then they should bow out. It is that simple. Why does > money need to change hands for 'helping out'. > > BobR. > > > Jeff Meager wrote: > > > Agreed..... > > > > Must be an Aussie thing.... > > > > Jeff > > > > Perth, Australia > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > > Behalf Of Don DRI05 Ricciardiello > > Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2001 12:41 PM > > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > > > > Well said....... > > > > Don > > > > Sydney, Australia > > > > From: Geoff Swavley @diy-efi.org on 05/09/2001 13:56 > > > > Please respond to diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > > > Sent by: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > > > To: diy efi > > cc: > > Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > > > > I am an Aussie, and am grateful to Peter for offering the service. > > It would cost me waaaaaaaay more than $20 to take time off work > > and dick around with various parts vendors and paperwork. Peter > > is *saving* me money in offering to amortise the whole operation > > into one central deal. > > > > I fully appreciate people not making money from the design testing > > etc ... as I understand it Peter is just asking for some compensation > > for the work involved in sourcing and bringing in things from the USA > > which I do all of the time for both of my Pontiacs .. .and it is a pain > > to have to deal with customs or even take time off work to venture to > > the nearest post office when they decide to open to collect things. > > On these days I don't even get to work until 10:30am. > > > > 'nuff said. > > > > geoffs :-) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Geoff Swavley Email : geoffs@radx.net > > UNIX Sys Admin Snail : Level 8, 10 Valentine Ave, > > Support and Network Operations Parramatta NSW 2150 > > Dept of Land and Water Conservation Sydney Australia > > Phone : 61-2-98957125 > > http://www.radx.net/~geoffs Fax : 61-2-98957086 > > Mobile: 61-425-224475 / 61-2-83004475 Home : 61-2-83389510 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 16:58:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA01543 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:58:23 -0700 Received: from leia.access-tech.com (42.smgi.com [208.5.80.42] (may be forged)) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA01537 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:58:14 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host 42.smgi.com [208.5.80.42] (may be forged) claimed to be leia.access-tech.com Received: from ix.netcom.com (NETPROXY [10.8.1.234]) by leia.access-tech.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id R697Z5X4; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:59:29 -0500 Message-ID: <3B96BADE.39E30441@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:53:02 -0500 From: Shane Moseley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Digital Tach and Newbie! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Santi Udomkesmalee wrote: > >Since RPM seems to not need high accuracy you could do it with a LED array > >of say > >50 LED's for an accuracy of 120RPM and a range of 6000RPM...how does that > >sound? I > >guess it would start to get expensive WRT the drivers but leds are > >cheapish. > > That sounds like a great solution, but I don't know where to start. Where > is a good place to pick up signal that I'll be dealing with. > So, if anybody is willing to help me with this tach, i'd really appreciate > it! Santi, I'm willing to help ferret out the info required and maybe even do some breadboarding/testing. I once read an article about building an LED tach. It used the OBD2 diagnostic port on later model vehicles to retrieve this info from the onboard computer. As far as where to pick up the signal - I'd say via an inductive pickup on a plug wire if interested in spark frequency at that point, in the distributor or on the coil negative if interested in data from that point. I like the idea of what spark frequency the plug is seeing rather than what the computer is delivering (or trying to deliver). How about a device that has a feature of multiple pickup points (other than via the diag port). If pulling the data from the coil negative. List - could someone describe the voltage characteristics there. I assume the negative side will go to zero volts when collapsing and then what? Float high? What kind of spikes and current shunts to expect? Is opto-isolation absolutely necessary? Thoughts on sample rate? Thanks! Shane ps - I can't remember if I mentioned it on this list but my newly installed Edelbrock water injection system is warding off detonation (especially on hot days) nicely but I'd have to say that my initial impression is not as good as expected. I was wanting to drop all the way down to 87 octane but not sure that is gonna happen. Mopars MP computer adds about 15 degrees more timing and I installed my R/T camshaft at 4 degrees advanced. Pulling 5000+lb out of the hole on a hot summer day w/out the water is on the edge of detonating w/93 octane. I'm now successfully running 89 octane w/very little detonation (still need to tune the water setup). The most noticeable difference is that WOT on a hot day now feels like WOT on a cold day w/the water on. -- '96 IndyRam-HisIndy-MPI TB Pulleys RTcam MPComp HVoilpump DynaGearDoubleRoller WindageTray CompTAs '96 IndyRam-HerIndy-numbered(#142)"Track Truck" '74 Triple-Black Dodge Challenger Rallye 360 EFI R&D vehicle '93 Dakota LE CC 318 - newest acquisition ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 17:06:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA01681 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:06:11 -0700 Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA01677 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:06:04 -0700 Received: from cc693406-a.hntsvlle1.al.home.com (HELO 1cc693406a) (65.11.182.46) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 00:05:54 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <007a01c13667$bf7790a0$0300a8c0@home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: <000401c1341f$24cc3dc0$0100a8c0@telus.net> <005201c1342f$f6a377e0$20613942@triad.rr.com> Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:06:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Mark, I believe that Stoich is a chemical term for complete combustion. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark S. Riley" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 11:16 PM Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... > Stoich is not 100% utilization of the O2. Stoich is the point at which the > gas emissions are the lowest and highest. I'll have to break out a book, > can't remember the exact numbers but stoichimetric is not neccessarily > where you might want to run your engine. But it does give the lowest > emissions there. So, that's why the all the OEM's are so concerned with it. > And that's why O2 sensors and all fuel air meters currently used are so > concerned with it. > As for the range 10:1 to approximately 22:1 is not really where gas engines > run. Quite frequently meters will read over a far larger range than what is > neccessary or wanted. I think the fact that the sensor will read to 20/22:1 > is like the air conditioning freon sniffers. I have one of those that is so > sensitive, the manufactor claims it will detect a 1 OZ. per year leak. Any > idea what that kind of ratio that might be, 5 million to 1 or something > ridiculous. Gasoline engine will run fairly reliably in the range of 11.5:1 > up to 16.5:1. Numbers that low don't make max power and numbers that high > can't make much but it will run. I don't think anyone has every come close > to 100% utilization of the O2. Top Fuel might be the closest but I still > think they have a long way to go to 100%. later, Mark > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Dammeyer" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:21 PM > Subject: RE: DIY-WB... It's alive... > > > > Good description but if the Stoich is 100% utilization of the O2 in the > > mixture how does the catalyst burn off the HC. Or is that why the WB > > sensors don't do much better than 10:1 AF ratio whereas they can go > > considerably further in the lean direction? > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org] On > > Behalf Of rr > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:15 PM > > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... > > > > > > > > As mentioned the O2 sensor responds first & foremost to O2. When the > > exhaust is stoich, the partial pressure of O2 in the atmosphere will > > cause the O2 sensor to generate ~450mV. In order for the O2 sensor to > > detect a rich condition, there is a platinum coating on the sensor cone. > > > > Platinum being the catalyst it is will burn off the HC by pulling O2 > > through the porus cone. This action generates a voltage > 450mV. > > > > BobR. > > > > John Dammeyer wrote: > > > > > I have a question about O2 sensors in general. On a fuel injection > > > setup where the ignition has a bad miss or even fails for a 1/4 second > > > > > while injection continues, will the O2 sensor go rich because the > > > fuel isn't being burnt or lean because the O2 is still in the mixture. > > > > > > That then begs the question. If the Stochimetric condition is when > > > all the O2 used to burn all the fuel, how can it ever show a rich > > > condition? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John Dammeyer > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > > quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to > > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 17:14:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA01849 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:14:34 -0700 Received: from admin.nni.com (admin.nni.com [216.107.0.218]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA01844 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:14:19 -0700 Received: from [216.107.32.161] (HELO nni.com) by admin.nni.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with ESMTP id 32839286 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 20:14:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3B96C0D8.A39499C6@nni.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 20:18:32 -0400 From: rr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase References: <3B96A404.857BB3BC@nni.com> <002301c13664$c0abd240$0300a8c0@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Integrity is lacking. BobR. David Hunt wrote: > You don't get it. > > What if it does? > > dh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rr" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > > > > > You guys just don't get it, do you? If anyone wants to charge for > > 'helping out', then they should bow out. It is that simple. Why does > > money need to change hands for 'helping out'. > > > > BobR. > > > > > > Jeff Meager wrote: > > > > > Agreed..... > > > > > > Must be an Aussie thing.... > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > Perth, Australia > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > > > Behalf Of Don DRI05 Ricciardiello > > > Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2001 12:41 PM > > > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > > Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > > > > > > Well said....... > > > > > > Don > > > > > > Sydney, Australia > > > > > > From: Geoff Swavley @diy-efi.org on 05/09/2001 13:56 > > > > > > Please respond to diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > > > > > Sent by: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > > > > > To: diy efi > > > cc: > > > Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > > > > > > I am an Aussie, and am grateful to Peter for offering the service. > > > It would cost me waaaaaaaay more than $20 to take time off work > > > and dick around with various parts vendors and paperwork. Peter > > > is *saving* me money in offering to amortise the whole operation > > > into one central deal. > > > > > > I fully appreciate people not making money from the design testing > > > etc ... as I understand it Peter is just asking for some compensation > > > for the work involved in sourcing and bringing in things from the USA > > > which I do all of the time for both of my Pontiacs .. .and it is a pain > > > to have to deal with customs or even take time off work to venture to > > > the nearest post office when they decide to open to collect things. > > > On these days I don't even get to work until 10:30am. > > > > > > 'nuff said. > > > > > > geoffs :-) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Geoff Swavley Email : geoffs@radx.net > > > UNIX Sys Admin Snail : Level 8, 10 Valentine Ave, > > > Support and Network Operations Parramatta NSW 2150 > > > Dept of Land and Water Conservation Sydney Australia > > > Phone : 61-2-98957125 > > > http://www.radx.net/~geoffs Fax : 61-2-98957086 > > > Mobile: 61-425-224475 / 61-2-83004475 Home : 61-2-83389510 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 17:17:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA01934 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:17:49 -0700 Received: from mail1.iiss.qantas.com.au (mail1.qantas.com.au [139.163.83.75]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA01928 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:17:40 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mail1.qantas.com.au [139.163.83.75] claimed to be mail1.iiss.qantas.com.au Received: from sydqabnt13-ns.qantas.com.au (unknown [10.42.44.29]) by mail1.iiss.qantas.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D316417604 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:17:00 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: sensor datasheet To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: "Don DRI05 Ricciardiello" Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:18:01 +1000 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on QFSYDMST02/QANTAS(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 06/09/2001 10:13:40 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org My browser won't display that page by clicking the link. Looking at the URL by taking off the last part of the address finds a file listed called "NGK uego.pdf" which won't download either. Any clues? Don From: Eric Fahlgren @diy-efi.org on 05/09/2001 12:50 AST Please respond to diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sent by: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org cc: Subject: Re: sensor datasheet Stewart Prince wrote: > > Yaz > I posted an acrobat file of some NTK sensor info on the FTP site a couple of > months ago. I believe it was labeled "NTK." > S. Prince Is this it? ftp://ftp.diy-efi.org/incoming/NTK_uego.pdf (About 3.9 meg.) -- Eric Fahlgren Mechanical Dynamics, Inc efahl@adams.com Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 17:22:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA02084 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:22:24 -0700 Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id RAA02077 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:22:13 -0700 Received: from cc693406-a.hntsvlle1.al.home.com (HELO 1cc693406a) (65.11.182.46) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 00:22:13 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <00c801c1366a$051ffbe0$0300a8c0@home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: <3B96BADE.39E30441@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Digital Tach and Newbie! Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:22:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At the coil the voltage goes to zero when the points (or replacement) goes near zero volts. When the current is interrupted the voltage goes quite far below zero. Then the voltage goes quite far above 12 Volts. You can used an RC in front of a zener to get control of this signal and provide it to the further signal. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Moseley" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Digital Tach and Newbie! > Santi Udomkesmalee wrote: > > > >Since RPM seems to not need high accuracy you could do it with a LED array > > >of say > > >50 LED's for an accuracy of 120RPM and a range of 6000RPM...how does that > > >sound? I > > >guess it would start to get expensive WRT the drivers but leds are > > >cheapish. > > > > That sounds like a great solution, but I don't know where to start. Where > > is a good place to pick up signal that I'll be dealing with. > > > > > So, if anybody is willing to help me with this tach, i'd really appreciate > > it! > > Santi, > > I'm willing to help ferret out the info required and maybe even do some > breadboarding/testing. I once read an article about building an LED tach. It > used the OBD2 diagnostic port on later model vehicles to retrieve this info from > the onboard computer. > > As far as where to pick up the signal - I'd say via an inductive pickup on a > plug wire if interested in spark frequency at that point, in the distributor or > on the coil negative if interested in data from that point. I like the idea of > what spark frequency the plug is seeing rather than what the computer is > delivering (or trying to deliver). How about a device that has a feature of > multiple pickup points (other than via the diag port). > > If pulling the data from the coil negative. List - could someone describe the > voltage characteristics there. I assume the negative side will go to zero volts > when collapsing and then what? Float high? What kind of spikes and current > shunts to expect? Is opto-isolation absolutely necessary? Thoughts on sample > rate? > > Thanks! > > Shane > > ps - I can't remember if I mentioned it on this list but my newly installed > Edelbrock water injection system is warding off detonation (especially on hot > days) nicely but I'd have to say that my initial impression is not as good as > expected. I was wanting to drop all the way down to 87 octane but not sure that > is gonna happen. Mopars MP computer adds about 15 degrees more timing and I > installed my R/T camshaft at 4 degrees advanced. Pulling 5000+lb out of the > hole on a hot summer day w/out the water is on the edge of detonating w/93 > octane. I'm now successfully running 89 octane w/very little detonation (still > need to tune the water setup). The most noticeable difference is that WOT on a > hot day now feels like WOT on a cold day w/the water on. > > -- > '96 IndyRam-HisIndy-MPI TB Pulleys RTcam MPComp HVoilpump DynaGearDoubleRoller > WindageTray CompTAs > '96 IndyRam-HerIndy-numbered(#142)"Track Truck" > '74 Triple-Black Dodge Challenger Rallye 360 EFI R&D vehicle > '93 Dakota LE CC 318 - newest acquisition > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 17:44:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA02480 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:44:35 -0700 Received: from femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.33]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02476 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:44:29 -0700 Received: from 1cc693406a ([65.11.182.46]) by femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010906004422.UCKF29510.femail39.sdc1.sfba.home.com@1cc693406a> for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:44:22 -0700 Message-ID: <00dd01c1366d$11ed8b00$0300a8c0@home.com> From: "David Hunt" To: References: <000401c133f5$8b519bf0$0100a8c0@telus.net> <3B92CB84.D7EDF98E@nni.com> <001f01c134ab$e70faa20$6969bfce@home> <3B938E7A.F6A43BC2@nni.com> <018601c13482$e1fc84a0$0400a8c0@ros54684kel1> Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:44:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org You are correct. dh ----- Original Message ----- From: "terryk" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 9:15 AM Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... > If you disconnect the sensor, the pin reads 450mV, right? This means the > bias is from the ECM. > > Correct me if I'm wrong. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rr" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: DIY-WB... It's alive... > > > > > > The general consensus has been that the ECM applies the bias. I have > > not found any evidence of this. Maybe some ECMs do. My belief is > > that the sensor that generates this voltage. > > > > BobR. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 17:51:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA02576 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:51:28 -0700 Received: from jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (jupiter.natlib.govt.nz [203.167.235.76]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02571 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:51:20 -0700 Received: from jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f860pI913914 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:51:18 +1200 (NZST) Received: from planet.natlib.govt.nz (planet.natlib.govt.nz [192.122.171.130]) by jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f860pHI13910 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:51:17 +1200 (NZST) Received: from shadbolt.natlib.govt.nz (shadbolt.natlib.govt.nz [203.167.235.59]) by planet.natlib.govt.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f860pGF24639 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:51:16 +1200 (NZST) Received: from xtra.co.nz (bastowl.natlib.govt.nz [192.122.171.148]) by shadbolt.natlib.govt.nz; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:50:47 +1200 Message-ID: <3B96C825.4AF65E33@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:49:42 +1200 From: Lachlan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: JECS and Newbie! References: <200109052212.PAA32190@hektor.valesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Oh cripes I put my foot in it didn't I?!! LOL :) I Most of my work involved the following: dead unit arrives, open it up and have a good look. throw it in a acetone bath with agitator (they were the easiest to clean off the lacquer as it was quite thin, others like the bosch units from memory had a thick gell coating that was very hard to remove). then if it looked fine and most of the time the problems were burnt out tracks, I would run it up on the custom jig and see if it ran, if it did then it was simply a case of testing that it was ROUGHLY Calibrated, re-solder the whole board, re-laquer it and send it off. you would not believe how many computers we got that were fine or just needed a resolder. As far as 'electronicing' goes I would endevour to trace the problems and found ground-outs and OC's inside the couple of magic IC's on the board, these I never 'cracked' as the company's objective was not to waste time on the odd dificult to repair units, The big CPU IC (DIL 60-odd pins with no identifiable numbers) was certainly dead a few times and when I had the time I would try to investigate this chip but did not get a chance often. we were not in the business of modification and performance and this 'exploration' was low priority. OH and legally I cannot give out a lot of details of specifics that I learned, due to the contract I signed. We did not get into code at all, a unit either worked or it didn't. Mainly the JECS units I worked on were the TURBO and non-turbo nissan 4, 6 and Commodore VL 6. these units were all v. similar. I hope I have not left you JECS people too disappointed. Remember also that I have not touched/thought about/fixed one of these since 94. I do remember it being a simple and clean unit with nice signals and easy to find faults, though I knew 99.9% of them haveing fixed so many, I got great joy out of getting a 'unfixable' unit out of the 'dead' box and getting it going :) usually an out of range component or a dry joint that was difficult to find. regards, Lachlan > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:27:56 +1000 > From: Christian Hack > Subject: Re: Digital Tach and Newbie! > > Don't go all quiet on us Lachlan! There are a few would be JECS hackers (lurkers) > around and given there is next to no info available on them, I'm sure anything you can > tell us would be appreciated. Everynow and then someone asks about them. > > Were you mainly just repairing them? Did you have schematics at all or did > your repairs mainly involve replacing dried out electros, fixing bad solder joints > etc? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 17:52:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA02613 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:52:43 -0700 Received: from dribble.cme.nist.gov (dribble.cme.nist.gov [129.6.32.31]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02606 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:52:34 -0700 Received: from u0s9r2.nist.gov (asynce013.nist.gov [129.6.31.13]) by dribble.cme.nist.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02015 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010905204441.00a37b20@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> X-Sender: brenegar@mailhub.cme.nist.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 20:54:51 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Brian Renegar Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. In-Reply-To: <20010904.205533.158.8.blocklm@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Ok, fine. DIY... so they should slap the components on themselves. Oh but it's DIY... so they should source the PCB's themselves. And it's still DIY, so they should do their own artwork. Hell, since it's DIY, maybe they should just do the whole thing themselves!!! You can't just arbitrarily draw the line somewhere. It doesn't work that way. Brian >I'll take a stab at that by asking another rhetorical question. What's >the difference between buying a board all built, and buying a commercial >product? Yes, you have a disinterested party, but you also have just >created the same as a commercial product, except for the price. The >person has a wb now, and more cheaply, but what did he do himself? Was >the purpose of the project to provide everyone with a cheap already built >product? Or was it intended primarily as a DIY project? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 17:56:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id RAA02665 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:56:43 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02661 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:56:36 -0700 Received: from bruce ([209.143.37.99]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010906005630.VCYG333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:56:30 -0400 Message-ID: <038e01c0179d$67029260$63258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010905204441.00a37b20@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:56:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Please reread the users agreement, if you can't abide by it, and it's intent. Then feel free not to use the info., it's that simple. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Renegar" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. > Ok, fine. DIY... so they should slap the components on themselves. Oh but > it's DIY... so they should source the PCB's themselves. And it's still > DIY, so they should do their own artwork. Hell, since it's DIY, maybe they > should just do the whole thing themselves!!! > > You can't just arbitrarily draw the line somewhere. It doesn't work that way. > > Brian > > > >I'll take a stab at that by asking another rhetorical question. What's > >the difference between buying a board all built, and buying a commercial > >product? Yes, you have a disinterested party, but you also have just > >created the same as a commercial product, except for the price. The > >person has a wb now, and more cheaply, but what did he do himself? Was > >the purpose of the project to provide everyone with a cheap already built > >product? Or was it intended primarily as a DIY project? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 18:22:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA03181 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:22:44 -0700 Received: from mailin5.bigpond.com (juicer02.bigpond.com [139.134.6.78]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA03177 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:22:35 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host juicer02.bigpond.com [139.134.6.78] claimed to be mailin5.bigpond.com Received: from jeffw2000 ([139.134.4.51]) by mailin5.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GJ7W3000.E06 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:28:12 +1000 Received: from WEBH-T-005-p-152-54.tmns.net.au ([203.54.152.54]) by mail7.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9i 15/2879314); 06 Sep 2001 11:22:08 From: "Jeff Meager" To: Subject: RE: The list is busy screaming .. Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:24:49 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010905204441.00a37b20@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Let's just leave it. It's this simple. It's their project and they can do with it as they see fit. Anymore jabbering and we may see the generosity fade...... Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On Behalf Of Brian Renegar Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2001 11:55 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. Ok, fine. DIY... so they should slap the components on themselves. Oh but it's DIY... so they should source the PCB's themselves. And it's still DIY, so they should do their own artwork. Hell, since it's DIY, maybe they should just do the whole thing themselves!!! You can't just arbitrarily draw the line somewhere. It doesn't work that way. Brian >I'll take a stab at that by asking another rhetorical question. What's >the difference between buying a board all built, and buying a commercial >product? Yes, you have a disinterested party, but you also have just >created the same as a commercial product, except for the price. The >person has a wb now, and more cheaply, but what did he do himself? Was >the purpose of the project to provide everyone with a cheap already built >product? Or was it intended primarily as a DIY project? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 18:33:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA03429 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:33:43 -0700 Received: from jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (jupiter.natlib.govt.nz [203.167.235.76]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA03417 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:33:27 -0700 Received: from jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f861XP918163 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:33:25 +1200 (NZST) Received: from planet.natlib.govt.nz (planet.natlib.govt.nz [192.122.171.130]) by jupiter.natlib.govt.nz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f861XOI18154 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:33:24 +1200 (NZST) Received: from shadbolt.natlib.govt.nz (shadbolt.natlib.govt.nz [203.167.235.59]) by planet.natlib.govt.nz (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f861XNF29096 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:33:23 +1200 (NZST) Received: from xtra.co.nz (bastowl.natlib.govt.nz [192.122.171.148]) by shadbolt.natlib.govt.nz; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:32:57 +1200 Message-ID: <3B96D208.E98C79C6@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:31:52 +1200 From: Lachlan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Digital Tach References: <200109052212.PAA32190@hektor.valesh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I am an advocate of simplicity and would prob not go so far as a PLC or other programable device. Apart from the fact that I only ever did it at TAFE in Aus and would have to 'learn' it all over again!. I think that with simple components like counters and dividers and common logic IC's you could easily do this but having said all that I would probably end up building a multi-function device that had bar graph, digital display and a switch to switch between different functions like temp, voltage and other non essential readings.....but then I would start thinking aobut adding threshold warnings and if I was going to take it even further, peak hold and data logging on a PC based device....then if I had all the time in the world and no other projects a full blown vehicle managment system that tried to elliminate copper in the car through the use of a bus and control modules for each discrete unit in the car like tail lights, dash lights, engine management.....bah bla...sorry.... you should be able to pick a nice square wave out of the ECU or ignition computer or one of the pins but that depends and I think that another list member should have more specific info for you and your car :) Lachlan. (ranting) > >Since RPM seems to not need high accuracy you could do it with a LED array > >of say > >50 LED's for an accuracy of 120RPM and a range of 6000RPM...how does that > >sound? I > >guess it would start to get expensive WRT the drivers but leds are > >cheapish. > > That sounds like a great solution, but I don't know where to start. Where > is a good place to pick up signal that I'll be dealing with. To give you an > Idea of my experience so far, let me tell you a little bit about myself. I > am currently a sophomore attending Cornell University as a physics major. > Over the summer I did get some experience programming the AltiVec unit on > the G4 processor and doing some code vectorization. I know a lot about > cars, but their electronics are quite foreign to me. My Car experience > includes taking an ASE certified course in Automotive Performance, and I > have also restored a '68 Caddy Deville Convt. In terms of electronics I am > currently taking a course on circuits and such, but the year has just > started, and I have yet to learn anything useful. As of now I can put > electronics together, but I have little to no understanding of designing > circuits, and what the specific parts do. > > That being said, is anyone out there willing to help be design and implement > this "led" tach? I would greatly appreciate it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 18:34:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA03468 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:34:58 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA03461 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:34:50 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.140]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010906013448.HERQ29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:34:48 -0400 Message-ID: <03e101c017a2$c1120ba0$63258fd1@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <3B96A404.857BB3BC@nni.com> <002301c13664$c0abd240$0300a8c0@home.com> Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 21:35:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hey Dave, release your own project, and you can set the terms. If you want to use someone else's work, then you're subject to the terms of the agreement to use it. Less then that, you're the one that isn't getting it. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hunt" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > You don't get it. > > What if it does? > > dh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rr" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > > > > > > You guys just don't get it, do you? If anyone wants to charge for > > 'helping out', then they should bow out. It is that simple. Why does > > money need to change hands for 'helping out'. > > > > BobR. > > > > > > Jeff Meager wrote: > > > > > Agreed..... > > > > > > Must be an Aussie thing.... > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > Perth, Australia > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > > > Behalf Of Don DRI05 Ricciardiello > > > Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2001 12:41 PM > > > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > > Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > > > > > > Well said....... > > > > > > Don > > > > > > Sydney, Australia > > > > > > From: Geoff Swavley @diy-efi.org on 05/09/2001 13:56 > > > > > > Please respond to diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > > > > > Sent by: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org > > > > > > To: diy efi > > > cc: > > > Subject: Re: Aussie Group Purchase > > > > > > I am an Aussie, and am grateful to Peter for offering the service. > > > It would cost me waaaaaaaay more than $20 to take time off work > > > and dick around with various parts vendors and paperwork. Peter > > > is *saving* me money in offering to amortise the whole operation > > > into one central deal. > > > > > > I fully appreciate people not making money from the design testing > > > etc ... as I understand it Peter is just asking for some compensation > > > for the work involved in sourcing and bringing in things from the USA > > > which I do all of the time for both of my Pontiacs .. .and it is a pain > > > to have to deal with customs or even take time off work to venture to > > > the nearest post office when they decide to open to collect things. > > > On these days I don't even get to work until 10:30am. > > > > > > 'nuff said. > > > > > > geoffs :-) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Geoff Swavley Email : geoffs@radx.net > > > UNIX Sys Admin Snail : Level 8, 10 Valentine Ave, > > > Support and Network Operations Parramatta NSW 2150 > > > Dept of Land and Water Conservation Sydney Australia > > > Phone : 61-2-98957125 > > > http://www.radx.net/~geoffs Fax : 61-2-98957086 > > > Mobile: 61-425-224475 / 61-2-83004475 Home : 61-2-83389510 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 18:57:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id SAA03880 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:57:10 -0700 Received: from web10008.mail.yahoo.com (web10008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.44]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id SAA03876 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:57:04 -0700 Message-ID: <20010906015703.92476.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.160.5.121] by web10008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:57:03 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Henson Subject: Re: WB02 Parts Kits update To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Any chance that we can pay for the parts kits and/or PCB's with PayPal or something similar? It seems like this would make life easier for everyone involved. -Matt > I won't know the final price until after I order > parts, but currently it > looks like it's going to be less than $13/kit plus > shipping. This kit does > not include the sensor, enclosure, terminal strip, > etc. Only the items __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 19:04:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA04004 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:04:49 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA03999 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:04:41 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.140]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010906020435.VIXF333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:04:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c017a6$e9fa9f60$8c0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <20010906015703.92476.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: WB02 Parts Kits update Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:05:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Not to start a thread on it but be real careful using paypal, both parties may wind up wondering where the funds are Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Henson" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: Re: WB02 Parts Kits update > Any chance that we can pay for the parts kits and/or > PCB's with PayPal or something similar? It seems like > this would make life easier for everyone involved. > -Matt > > > I won't know the final price until after I order > > parts, but currently it > > looks like it's going to be less than $13/kit plus > > shipping. This kit does > > not include the sensor, enclosure, terminal strip, > > etc. Only the items > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 19:14:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA04163 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:14:59 -0700 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04158 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:14:52 -0700 Received: from cpe-66-87-54-170.co.sprintbbd.net ([66.87.54.170] helo=jgypin) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.32 #2) id 15eogo-0000Qr-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2001 19:14:47 -0700 Message-ID: <027801c13679$f2bd00a0$aa365742@jgypin> From: "Jess Gypin" To: References: <20010906015703.92476.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> <000a01c017a6$e9fa9f60$8c0ac9d8@bruce> Subject: Re: WB02 Parts Kits update Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:16:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I have used Paypal for over a year and never had a problem. At all. J Jess ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 20:05 PM Subject: Re: WB02 Parts Kits update > > Not to start a thread on it but be real careful using paypal, both parties > may wind up wondering where the funds are > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Henson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: WB02 Parts Kits update > > > > Any chance that we can pay for the parts kits and/or > > PCB's with PayPal or something similar? It seems like > > this would make life easier for everyone involved. > > -Matt > > > > > I won't know the final price until after I order > > > parts, but currently it > > > looks like it's going to be less than $13/kit plus > > > shipping. This kit does > > > not include the sensor, enclosure, terminal strip, > > > etc. Only the items > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! > Messenger > > http://im.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 19:16:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA04191 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:16:44 -0700 Received: from ntserver.techedge.com.au (teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04186 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:16:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host teched.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.11.216] claimed to be ntserver.techedge.com.au Received: from techedge.com.au (Administrators@localhost) by ntserver.techedge.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00097 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:31:11 +1000 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time) Message-ID: <3B96DD24.735B8E0@techedge.com.au> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:19:16 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Organization: Tech Edge Pty. Ltd. - ABN 40 057 140 137 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Digital Tach References: <200109052212.PAA32190@hektor.valesh.com> <3B96D208.E98C79C6@xtra.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Lachlan wrote: > > I am an advocate of simplicity and would prob not go so far as a PLC or other programable > device. Apart from the fact that I only ever did it at TAFE in Aus and would have to > 'learn' it all over again!. I think that with simple components like counters and dividers > and common logic IC's you could easily do this ... Silicon Chip (SC) had a 5 digit, digital tacho in October 1997 - Sixteen 4xxx series chips on a large PCB!! > ... but having said all that I would probably > end up building a multi-function device that had bar graph, digital display and a switch > to switch between different functions like temp, voltage and other non essential > readings..... SC has more recently described a 16F84 PIC based unit that's as small as the oxygen sensor display unit I also mentioned the other week. > but then I would start thinking aobut adding threshold warnings and if I was > going to take it even further, peak hold and data logging on a PC based device....then if > I had all the time in the world and no other projects a full blown vehicle managment > system that tried to elliminate copper in the car through the use of a bus and control > modules for each discrete unit in the car like tail lights, dash lights, engine > management.....bah bla...sorry.... It would be simple matter to take the new SC PIC based unit and add some code to display the extra information (I'm not offering ;-). Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 19:33:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA04419 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:33:43 -0700 Received: from sprocket.innovative.iinet.net.au (innovative.iinet.net.au [203.59.144.24]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04415 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:33:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host innovative.iinet.net.au [203.59.144.24] claimed to be sprocket.innovative.iinet.net.au Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sprocket.innovative.iinet.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id KAA26281 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:33:30 +0800 Received: from UNKNOWN(203.6.142.20), claiming to be "flywheel.innovative.iinet.net.au" via SMTP by innovative.iinet.net.au, id smtpdYdlBhF; Thu Sep 6 02:33:27 2001 Received: (from bernie@localhost) by flywheel.innovative.iinet.net.au (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id f862XPu15935 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:33:25 +0800 From: Bernd Felsche Message-Id: <200109060233.f862XPu15935@flywheel.innovative.iinet.net.au> Subject: Re: Digital Tach In-Reply-To: <3B96D208.E98C79C6@xtra.co.nz> from Lachlan at "Sep 6, 2001 01:31:52 pm" To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:33:25 +0800 (WST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Lachlan tapped away at the keyboard with: > I am an advocate of simplicity and would prob not go so far as a > PLC or other programable device. Apart from the fact that I only > ever did it at TAFE in Aus and would have to 'learn' it all over > again!. I think that with simple components like counters and > dividers and common logic IC's you could easily do this but having > said all that I would probably end up building a multi-function > device that had bar graph, digital display and a switch to switch Two important questions: How accurate does the RPM have to be (resolution and time-base)? How frequently do you want the display to update? The greater the "quality" of the instrument, the greater the functional complexity. Would it be sufficient to display the count of ignition pulses over five 6ths of a second as hundreds of rpm? That's about the simplest digital (counter-timer) implementation. Need faster response or higher resolution? Then it gets more complex. With the cost of microcontrollers quite low, you quickly arrive at the point where it's chepaer to make it a hardware/software combination; not quite single-chip implementation, but pretty close. You also get the benefit of flexibility; i.e. adding on data logging, etc without re-designing the whole instrument from scratch; especially if you can think ahead a little and not box yourself in with the first implementation. > Lachlan. (ranting) > -- /"\ Bernd Felsche - Innovative Reckoning, Perth, Western Australia \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! | X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature| / \ and postings | to help me spread! | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 19:38:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id TAA04462 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:38:21 -0700 Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA04458 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:38:13 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.140]) by lateralus.bright.net with SMTP id <20010906023805.VLGK333.lateralus@bruce> for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:38:05 -0400 Message-ID: <005801c017ab$98317b40$8c0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <20010829195726.60241.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> <007f01c13664$3fafcd40$b9ebb094@hugh> Subject: Re: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #718 - knock sensor / Autospeed articles / water injection / dynos etc Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:38:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Some hidden pearls and yes. On the WI, I just don't see some of the ways for what they did. They compare I/C to ambient air temp. Why, it's a matter of MAT temp., that reflects the potential for detonation, if your just working on the WI end of things. MAT as a first stage sound meaningful. I'd think, a K/S input would be alot more beneficial. I'm more then convinced there is no such thing as too much WI pump pressure. If someone really wants to use a low pressure pump system, seems like referencing the tank to the manifold would be manditory. 12v Tire pump, to an accumulator (pressure switch set to maintain 150 PSI) air tank then NOS solenoid to presureize the water supply would seem ideal to me. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Keir" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: Re: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #718 - knock sensor / Autospeed articles / water injection / dynos etc > Just read the Autospeed articles by Tim White which are based on his > Bachelor of Engineering thesis presented in November 1999 to the University > of New South Wales School of Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering. > > Any one know if copies are available from Tim or the University or are in > the public domain so we can speak about them? > > The title of his thesis is:- "The Effect of Spark-Knock on the Performance > of a Modern Spark-Ignition Engine'. > > The first page of each of the three parts of the article can be found at the > following links. To see the remainder of each part you have to subscribe to > Autospeed. > > http://www.autospeed.com/A_0587/page1.html > > http://www.autospeed.com/A_0594/page1.html > > http://www.autospeed.com/A_0601/page1.html > > The article talks about the types of sensors used in his tests. Conclusions > are drawn in a number of areas including whether power is still rising in > high compression engines at the onset of knock. > > The article also presents a table that shows amongst other things the number > of °C effect of intake temperature etc that = 1 octane of fuel, allowing you > to estimate the cost of reducing the various temperatures etc versus higher > octane fuel and the cost of the modifications ( intercooler, water inj etc ) > to your car. > > On a turbocharged car ( well mine anyway ) where you are tuning for more > power you will at some point want to increase the boost and optimise the > ignition and fuel. This will have obvious consequences on inlet temperature > and the dreaded " knock ". > > The site http://www.aquamist.co.uk/dc/technic/technic.html shows a graph > that backs up many of the results found by Tim White in the Autospeed > article. The lines on the graph show cylinder pressure against crankshaft > angle. It caught my eye that the area under the curve for the water injected > ( blue line ) setup was significantly greater than the detonating ( red and > yellow ) and the non detonating ( green line), which must mean significantly > more power from a water injection setup. > > Water injection has now become a must have on my shopping list. > > The following articles show a DIY water injection kit:- > > http://www.autospeed.com/A_0527/page1.html part 1 > > http://www.autospeed.com/A_0534/P_1/article.html part 2 > > http://www.autospeed.com/A_0574/P_1/article.html part 3 > > http://www.autospeed.com/A_0578/P_1/article.html part 4 > > http://www.autospeed.com/A_0589/P_1/article.html part 5 > > http://www.autospeed.com/site/autospeed/images/0574_00.jpg shows a picture > of the board > > http://www.autospeed.com/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?category=705&product=1280 - buy > the kit for AU$ 107.25 = US $58 > > The DIY-WB has given me and I am sure others ( as soon as the boards and > group buy parts are ready ) a fantastic opportunity to have a real go at > optimising the performance ( don't know if my soldering is good enough yet > but I'm sure gonna find out ) of our vehicles in a way that was previously > never possible. > > Mix in a little of one of the following pieces of dyno ( sorry but I just > don't want to do it on a rolling road, I want to do it myself ) software or > possibly a datalog from my as yet unpurchased ECU. > > On Track Dyno http://www.ontrackdigital.com/generic.html?pid=4 > Road Dyno http://www.charm.net/~mchaney/roaddyno/dyno.htm > Revtrigger http://www.students.tut.fi/~eppu/bin/rev.html#Updates > > I have also found this self build datalogger > http://www.geocities.com/93notch/EMS/ , though not sure how useful it might > be. > > Only one thing missing in my life , ( well that I can admit to ) a > .......... DIY KNOCK SENSOR .......... any thoughts possibly a modified > version of the SAAB unit http://www.geocities.com/tv41mxa/tweakyourapc.html > or > http://web.inter.nl.net/users/turbo-team-europe/apc.htm or > http://www.users.qwest.net/~qed/volvoapc/index.html > > With all the individuals that want to spoil the party and seem unable to say > thanks to the DIY_WB team and abide by their rules, its hard to believe > that there would be enough enthusiasm to do a DIY knock sensor, but maybe > just maybe. > > This is a long post to get to the point that I am passionately interested in > tuning my vehicle not because I race or want to show off or have any > commercial interest, but because I care about how well I have made it run > with tools available to me. > > Bruce and the team I take my hat of to you for your selfless efforts to > bring the DIY-WB project to it's conclusion. > > I hope that I can do you justice by building the boards myself and reporting > on how I have improved things on my vehicle. > > I also hope I may have some skill that you will find useful in the future. > > Hugh > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Agnello" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: DIY_EFI Digest V5 #718 - knock sensor > > > > > > > > TVS wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I assume the frequency has some dependence on > > > variables > > > > > like bore diameter and combustion chamber shape, > > > but is the knock detection > > > > > circuitry likely to 'listen' for a wide range of > > > frequency's or just a > > > > > narrow band? > > > > > > > > These are just educated guesses, but I suspect they > > apply. Detonation is closely coupled to the pressure > > wave in the combustion chamber. The pressure wave is > > an acoustic event. As such, it should be influenced > > by the geometry of the combustion chamber at the > > instant of the event. The dominant mode's wavelength > > will probably be proportional to the cylinder bore. > > > > If the event timespan is too short to propagate > > laterally, then the dominant mode will probably be > > related to the combustion chamber height at the time > > of the event. Even if there is a lateral mode, I > > wonder if the high frequency content in a knock signal > > is due to the vertical mode(s)? > > > > WRT the cylinder head and/or block structure > > influencing the dominant frequencies, I agree there > > will be some interaction. Unlike the 10 Hz bell > > analogy, I don't believe there will be a dominant > > vibrational mode of the engine structure. These > > structures are too complex to have a primary mode and > > I'll bet auto manufacturers spend a lot of time > > designing engine structures that don't have > > significant vibrational modes. I know aircraft engine > > manufacturers do this. If they didn't, the life of > > the engine mounted fuel pumps, actuators, sensors, and > > accessories would be severely shortened. > > > > What do y'all think? Remember, I'm just a lonely old > > EE that likes to read SF.;) > > > > Autospeed published an article based on an Aussie grad > > student's research into engine knock earlier this > > year. Does anyone have a copy and does it shed light > > on this issue? > > > > > > ===== > > Mark Agnello > > Washington Crossing, PA (USA) > > 88 Toyota Celica All Trac Turbo (restoration project) > > 92 Toyota Celica All Trac Turbo > > 96 Honda VFR > > 89 Honda Hawk GT (restoration project) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! > Messenger > > http://im.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 22:02:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA05716 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:02:13 -0700 Received: from dribble.cme.nist.gov (dribble.cme.nist.gov [129.6.32.31]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05712 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:02:05 -0700 Received: from u0s9r2.nist.gov (asynce055.nist.gov [129.6.31.55]) by dribble.cme.nist.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03918 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010906004052.00a31660@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> X-Sender: brenegar@mailhub.cme.nist.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 01:05:19 -0700 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Brian Renegar Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. In-Reply-To: <038e01c0179d$67029260$63258fd1@bruce> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010905204441.00a37b20@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_5586724==_.ALT" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org --=====================_5586724==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Please reread the users agreement, >if you can't abide by it, and it's intent. >Then feel free not to use the info., it's that simple. >Bruce Yeah, I've read it several times. Just read it again. There's absolutely nothing in there that has anything to do with what I was talking about... Except for this one line: "It is not intended for commercial use, or to be in any manner related to a profit organization or individual". That's a pretty broad statement. And if you consider having a manufacturer build the boards with components on them "related to a profit organization", even if it is a non interested party, then you'd better re-think your position on the PCB's as well. You don't seem to have any problem with those. Which WERE made by a "profit organization". So maybe YOU should question whether you're abiding by your own user agreement or not. Or does it not apply to you?? I'm not trying to be an ass, but I just see some big problems as far as what's allowed and what's not, and the fact that it does not correlate with the user agreement. FWIW, I have purchased two of the PCB's, am on the list for the components, and will build the boards by myself. I know enough about basic circuits and soldering to attempt building it. I can't assist in any of the design work for the WB (as that is not my background), but I look forward to hopefully adding any tuning and testing experience that I gather from using it. I would also like to thank all of those that have contributed to this project. Without them, I (and probably most of the other people on the list) would never had a wideband O2 meter. Pricing of the commercially available units just makes it impossible on my budget to buy one. So again, I say thank you. Brian --=====================_5586724==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Please reread the users agreement,
if you can't abide by it, and it's intent.
Then feel free not to use the info., it's that simple.
Bruce

Yeah, I've read it several times.  Just read it again.  There's absolutely nothing in there that has anything to do with what I was talking about...  Except for this one line: "It is not intended for commercial use, or to be in any manner related to a profit organization or individual".  That's a pretty broad statement.  And if you consider having a manufacturer build the boards with components on them "related to a profit organization", even if it is a non interested party, then you'd better re-think your position on the PCB's as well.  You don't seem to have any problem with those.  Which WERE made by a "profit organization".  So maybe YOU should question whether you're abiding by your own user agreement or not.  Or does it not apply to you??

I'm not trying to be an ass, but I just see some big problems as far as what's allowed and what's not, and the fact that it does not correlate with the user agreement.  FWIW, I have purchased two of the PCB's, am on the list for the components, and will build the boards by myself.  I know enough about basic circuits and soldering to attempt building it.  I can't assist in any of the design work for the WB (as that is not my background), but I look forward to hopefully adding any tuning and testing experience that I gather from using it.

I would also like to thank all of those that have contributed to this project.  Without them, I (and probably most of the other people on the list) would never had a wideband O2 meter.  Pricing of the commercially available units just makes it impossible on my budget to buy one.  So again, I say thank you.

Brian --=====================_5586724==_.ALT-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 22:14:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA05802 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:14:47 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05798 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:14:39 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.140]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010906051437.LTKU29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:14:37 -0400 Message-ID: <024a01c017c1$769cfa20$8c0ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010905204441.00a37b20@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <5.0.0.25.2.20010906004052.00a31660@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:15:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Yes it is a broad statement. You can't use it to make a profit, for yourself or any firm. ***WE*** the people that developed the board, can we can get board made, we are not the users. Your a user, you would be violating the USERS AGREEMENT, to get boards made. If Bob wants to start selling boards for $100 a pop, he would not be violating the argeement, since it's his to do as he pleases with it. If I or any other member of the team wanted too we could also. Anyone other then the design team to do so would be violating the USERS AGREEMENT. Bruce ****** "It is not intended for commercial use, or to be in any manner related to a profit organization or individual". That's a pretty broad statement. ********* ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Renegar To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 4:05 AM Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. Please reread the users agreement, if you can't abide by it, and it's intent. Then feel free not to use the info., it's that simple. Bruce Yeah, I've read it several times. Just read it again. There's absolutely nothing in there that has anything to do with what I was talking about... Except for this one line: "It is not intended for commercial use, or to be in any manner related to a profit organization or individual". That's a pretty broad statement. And if you consider having a manufacturer build the boards with components on them "related to a profit organization", even if it is a non interested party, then you'd better re-think your position on the PCB's as well. You don't seem to have any problem with those. Which WERE made by a "profit organization". So maybe YOU should question whether you're abiding by your own user agreement or not. Or does it not apply to you?? I'm not trying to be an ass, but I just see some big problems as far as what's allowed and what's not, and the fact that it does not correlate with the user agreement. FWIW, I have purchased two of the PCB's, am on the list for the components, and will build the boards by myself. I know enough about basic circuits and soldering to attempt building it. I can't assist in any of the design work for the WB (as that is not my background), but I look forward to hopefully adding any tuning and testing experience that I gather from using it. I would also like to thank all of those that have contributed to this project. Without them, I (and probably most of the other people on the list) would never had a wideband O2 meter. Pricing of the commercially available units just makes it impossible on my budget to buy one. So again, I say thank you. Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 22:15:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id WAA05823 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:15:20 -0700 Received: from eagle.he.net (eagle.he.net [216.218.174.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05814 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:15:10 -0700 Received: from z28tt (204.mht.dialup.G4.NET [216.177.2.204]) by eagle.he.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA01320 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:15:17 -0700 From: "Andris Skulte" To: Subject: RE: WB02 Parts Kits update Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:17:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01c017a6$e9fa9f60$8c0ac9d8@bruce> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org I've used it for over 100 transactions, ranging from $5 to $1xxx... No problems at all, and paypal refunded a service charge when I prompted them once. I've been happy so far. I think its easier to roll it into a bank acount than it is to deposit 297 checks or money orders. Andris Z28tt-89 IROC T56 DFI Twin Turbo http://www.skulte.com/turbo.html PS - and the fact that paypal makes 2.2% on the transaction does not change the DIY nature of this! (doh, I should start diging a hole for myself now...) :) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org]On > Behalf Of Bruce > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:05 PM > To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org > Subject: Re: WB02 Parts Kits update > > > > Not to start a thread on it but be real careful using paypal, both parties > may wind up wondering where the funds are > Bruce > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Wed Sep 5 23:42:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA06375 for diy_efi-outgoing; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:42:11 -0700 Received: from blackie.cruzers.com (cruzers.com [205.215.232.2]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA06371 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:42:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host cruzers.com [205.215.232.2] claimed to be blackie.cruzers.com Received: from cruzers.com (robbie-153.cruzers.com [209.165.194.153]) by blackie.cruzers.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09432 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B9714A5.6EB096F1@cruzers.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:16:10 -0800 From: Ludis Langens X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Digital Tach and Newbie! References: <3B96BADE.39E30441@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Shane Moseley wrote: > > If pulling the data from the coil negative. List - could someone describe the > voltage characteristics there. I assume the negative side will go to zero volts > when collapsing and then what? Float high? What kind of spikes and current > shunts to expect? Is opto-isolation absolutely necessary? Thoughts on sample > rate? GM runs their electronic tachs by pulling a signal from this side of the coil. Near the coil they wire a small cylinder. This device contains an RC filter feeding a second RC filter. The output from the second filter then goes to the IP which contains a series diode feeding yet another RC filter. The filter output goes to a voltage divider that goes to the base of a transistor. The transistor's E is grounded and C has a pullup resistor and is where the final tach signal is found. -- Ludis Langens ludis (at) cruzers (dot) com Mac, Fiero, & engine controller goodies: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 01:51:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id BAA07462 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:51:00 -0700 Received: from snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA07458 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 01:50:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241] claimed to be snfc21.pbi.net Received: from haleakala ([64.168.252.154]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GJ800D5HGKAPX@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 01:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 01:48:06 -0700 From: David Gravereaux Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. In-reply-to: <5.0.0.25.2.20010906004052.00a31660@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Message-id: Organization: none.. lost in anarchy MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010905204441.00a37b20@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> <038e01c0179d$67029260$63258fd1@bruce> <5.0.0.25.2.20010906004052.00a31660@mailhub.cme.nist.gov> Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Brian Renegar wrote: >"It is not intended for commercial use, >or to be in any manner related to a profit organization or >individual". That's a pretty broad statement. And if you consider having >a manufacturer build the boards with components on them "related to a >profit organization", even if it is a non interested party, then you'd >better re-think your position on the PCB's as well. You don't seem to have >any problem with those. Which WERE made by a "profit organization". So >maybe YOU should question whether you're abiding by your own user agreement >or not. Or does it not apply to you?? The GPL is a real pain in the a** when applied to the tangible world, isn't it? How free can free be? -- David Gravereaux Tomasoft Engineering, Hayward, CA [species: human; planet: earth,milkyway,alpha sector] Please be aware of the 7.5 year ping times when placing a call from alpha centari ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 05:02:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id FAA08229 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:02:47 -0700 Received: from hotmail.com (oe46.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.18]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA08225 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:02:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host oe46.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.18] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:02:07 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.160.23.138] From: "944Technologist" To: Subject: PCB Buy Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 05:01:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2001 12:02:07.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFFC2B80:01C136CB] Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org It sounds like you got a pretty descent price on the PCBs. Can I ask what board house you ended up using? FR Wilk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 06:13:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA08719 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 06:13:49 -0700 Received: from pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (pioneers1.mts.mb.ca [142.160.2.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA08715 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 06:13:42 -0700 From: Neil.Poersch@mts.mb.ca Received: from smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca (smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca [142.160.162.230]) by pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA14250 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:13:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: WB02 Parts Kits update To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:13:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SMTP_MTS/GW/MTS(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 09/06/2001 08:13:08 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Steve, I apologize for bothering you with administrivia. I just submitted a second request for a parts kit. So please don't be confused when you review all the requests.....I do want a total of 2 parts kits. Thanks for all your effort. Neil Poersch Box 21 Group 352 RR 3 5654 Henderson Highway Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada R3C 2E7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 06:56:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id GAA08976 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 06:56:05 -0700 Received: from ncralmail.corp.truswood.com (ncralmail.corp.truswood.com [198.143.253.50]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA08972 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 06:55:58 -0700 Received: from mike (ncralmail.corp.truswood.com [198.143.253.50]) by ncralmail.corp.truswood.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id R0Z59R71; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:58:51 -0400 Message-ID: <009601c136db$a6a12180$2b01010a@truswood.com> From: "Mike Swayze" To: Subject: ford questions Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:55:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Been a while since I've posed a question to any of the lists, here goes. A girl here at work drives a Thunderbird Turbo Coupe and has had a problem with it stumbling for ten minutes or so at about the time it warms up. She has replaced the fuel filter and done a complete tuneup and had the car on a 'diagnostic' machine for about two hours. I had a similar problem with a ford ranger v6, but replacing the fuel pump fixed it. The fuel filter she replaced is under the car about where the seat is. Are there any other filters in this car that would cause the 'stumbling' problem? The 'diagnostic' did not show anything wrong. I am not real familiar with the ford cars, would a vacuum connection somewhere cause this (egr?,etc.)? TIA Mike Swayze mswayze@truswood.com kswayze@bellsouth.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 07:14:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA09099 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:14:20 -0700 Received: from pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (pioneers1.mts.mb.ca [142.160.2.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA09095 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:14:13 -0700 From: Neil.Poersch@mts.mb.ca Received: from smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca (smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca [142.160.162.230]) by pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA18214 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:13:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: WB02 Parts Kits update To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:14:26 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SMTP_MTS/GW/MTS(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 09/06/2001 09:13:41 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Sorry folks. This was meant to be a private e-mail. Neil >Steve, >I apologize for bothering you with administrivia...... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 07:29:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id HAA09218 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:29:12 -0700 Received: from jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov [139.169.39.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id HAA09214 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:29:05 -0700 Received: from 139.169.39.19 by jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:28:03 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Received: by jsc-ems-gws03.jsc.nasa.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:27:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: "BOWEN, SCOTT M. (JSC-CC) (LM)" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: ford questions Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:25:32 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org That is defiantly the fuel filter that she replaced, it is under the seat, mounted to the frame rail... Sounds like a possible vacuum leak... Scott Bowen Lockheed Martin Aircraft Simulations Hanger 135B, Ellington Field Houston, TX 77034 scott.m.bowen1@jsc.nasa.gov Voice: 281-244-9669 Fax: 281-244-9681 Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Swayze [mailto:mswayze@truswood.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:56 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: ford questions Been a while since I've posed a question to any of the lists, here goes. A girl here at work drives a Thunderbird Turbo Coupe and has had a problem with it stumbling for ten minutes or so at about the time it warms up. She has replaced the fuel filter and done a complete tuneup and had the car on a 'diagnostic' machine for about two hours. I had a similar problem with a ford ranger v6, but replacing the fuel pump fixed it. The fuel filter she replaced is under the car about where the seat is. Are there any other filters in this car that would cause the 'stumbling' problem? The 'diagnostic' did not show anything wrong. I am not real familiar with the ford cars, would a vacuum connection somewhere cause this (egr?,etc.)? TIA Mike Swayze mswayze@truswood.com kswayze@bellsouth.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 08:06:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA16686 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:06:03 -0700 Received: from jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov [139.169.39.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA16680 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:05:48 -0700 Received: from 139.169.16.21 by jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:05:12 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Received: by jsc-ems-gws02.jsc.nasa.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:05:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: "BOWEN, SCOTT M. (JSC-CC) (LM)" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: WB02 Parts Kits update Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:02:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At The risk of getting flamed and sounding like a total moron.... Can someone fill me in on the whole DIY-WB02 project? I have read the archives, but I don't quite get it, but if it is close to what I think it is, I would like to get a kit from Steven, but I want to make sure it is what I think it is.... Sorry for the stupid question, I have been away from the list for over a year... Thanks Scott Bowen Lockheed Martin Aircraft Simulations Hanger 135B, Ellington Field Houston, TX 77034 scott.m.bowen1@jsc.nasa.gov Voice: 281-244-9669 Fax: 281-244-9681 Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match. -----Original Message----- From: Steven Ciciora [mailto:ciciora@Ciciora.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:26 PM To: gmecm@diy-efi.org; diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: WB02 Parts Kits update Well, two weeks ago, I said I would take requests for the parts kit until today, but I forgot to post a 'last minute' reminder yesterday, so I'll take requests via the web site (http://208.37.117.207/kits.html) until tomorrow evning. Currently there are 297 requests (more than the 25 to 50 that I guessed! I hope all these people follow through and actually pay for their requests! I don't need _that_ many extra parts!), and not many have been added the last day or two. Please forgive me for not emailing confirmations, that's a lot of typeing to do! I hope to do that some time next week. I won't know the final price until after I order parts, but currently it looks like it's going to be less than $13/kit plus shipping. This kit does not include the sensor, enclosure, terminal strip, etc. Only the items listed on the web site that are available from Digikey. The items listed are only the items that mount on the PCB. There were some suggestions about including a box in the group buy, but I chickend out. I'd hate to choose a box that won't fit someone else's display unit that might get made. - Steven Ciciora ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 08:07:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA16708 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:07:44 -0700 Received: from jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov [139.169.39.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA16704 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:07:32 -0700 Received: from 139.169.39.19 by jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:07:00 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Received: by jsc-ems-gws03.jsc.nasa.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:06:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: "BOWEN, SCOTT M. (JSC-CC) (LM)" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: JECS and Newbie! Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:04:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Did you ever play with the ECU for the '91-'93 Nissan KA24DE Inline 4 motor? Scott Bowen Lockheed Martin Aircraft Simulations Hanger 135B, Ellington Field Houston, TX 77034 scott.m.bowen1@jsc.nasa.gov Voice: 281-244-9669 Fax: 281-244-9681 Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match. -----Original Message----- From: Lachlan [mailto:lpgb@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:50 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: JECS and Newbie! Mainly the JECS units I worked on were the TURBO and non-turbo nissan 4, 6 and Commodore VL 6. these units were all v. similar. I hope I have not left you JECS people too disappointed. Remember also that I have not touched/thought about/fixed one of these since 94. I do remember it being a simple and clean unit with nice signals and easy to find faults, though I knew 99.9% of them haveing fixed so many, I got great joy out of getting a 'unfixable' unit out of the 'dead' box and getting it going :) usually an out of range component or a dry joint that was difficult to find. regards, Lachlan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 08:13:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA16853 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:13:48 -0700 Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA16849 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:13:42 -0700 From: A70Duster@aol.com Received: from A70Duster@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id o.d8.b77f67d (5708) for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web37.aolmail.aol.com (web37.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.13]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id MAILINID41-0906111259; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:12:59 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:12:59 EDT Subject: Stoich is..... To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Stoich is.....when there is a balance of elements on the left side and right side of the "equation" Methane and oxygen (unbalanced) CH4 + O2 -> CO2 + H20 The stoichiometric equation is when the number of atoms on the left equal the number of atoms on the right. so 1 CH4 + 2 O2 -> 1 CO2 + 2 H2O Seldom is there 100% complete combustion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 08:17:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA16914 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:17:53 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA16908 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:17:44 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.52]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010906151742.XDLZ29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:17:42 -0400 Message-ID: <014f01c01815$b784fde0$340ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: Subject: Re: Stoich is..... Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:18:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Unless your turning mass into energy, the number of atoms will always balance. least to my way of thinking Bruce From: Subject: Stoich is..... > Stoich is.....when there is a balance of elements on the left side and right side of the "equation" Methane and oxygen (unbalanced) > > CH4 + O2 -> CO2 + H20 > > The stoichiometric equation is when the number of atoms on the left equal the number of atoms on the right. so > > 1 CH4 + 2 O2 -> 1 CO2 + 2 H2O > Seldom is there 100% complete combustion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 08:25:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA17084 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:25:55 -0700 Received: from jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov [139.169.39.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA17078 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:25:46 -0700 Received: from 139.169.39.19 by jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:25:14 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Received: by jsc-ems-gws03.jsc.nasa.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:25:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: "BOWEN, SCOTT M. (JSC-CC) (LM)" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: Lachlan...JECS Nissan units.... Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:22:41 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Do you know what chip JECS used for the Nissan [KA24DE] 16 byte units? I understand about the contract and everything, I just was wondering what chips these are... JECS A12-212 600 M37790STJ 031101 and... JECS A12-260 002 M6M72561J-1 026102 [with a stick on label that reads K078SFA8] are in real life...like who makes them? If you can tell me that, I will be a lot more in the know...because JECS here in the states won't tell me..... thanks Scott Bowen Lockheed Martin Aircraft Simulations Hanger 135B, Ellington Field Houston, TX 77034 scott.m.bowen1@jsc.nasa.gov Voice: 281-244-9669 Fax: 281-244-9681 Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 08:29:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id IAA17160 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:29:35 -0700 Received: from jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov [139.169.39.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id IAA17154 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:29:26 -0700 Received: from 139.169.39.19 by jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:28:54 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Received: by jsc-ems-gws03.jsc.nasa.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:28:44 -0500 Message-ID: From: "BOWEN, SCOTT M. (JSC-CC) (LM)" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: ford questions Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:26:22 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Mike... Also the EGR valve sticking open can cause this.... Is the fuel pressure good? Scott Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Swayze [mailto:mswayze@truswood.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:56 AM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: ford questions Been a while since I've posed a question to any of the lists, here goes. A girl here at work drives a Thunderbird Turbo Coupe and has had a problem with it stumbling for ten minutes or so at about the time it warms up. She has replaced the fuel filter and done a complete tuneup and had the car on a 'diagnostic' machine for about two hours. I had a similar problem with a ford ranger v6, but replacing the fuel pump fixed it. The fuel filter she replaced is under the car about where the seat is. Are there any other filters in this car that would cause the 'stumbling' problem? The 'diagnostic' did not show anything wrong. I am not real familiar with the ford cars, would a vacuum connection somewhere cause this (egr?,etc.)? TIA Mike Swayze mswayze@truswood.com kswayze@bellsouth.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 09:14:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA17693 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:14:42 -0700 Received: from m24.boston.juno.com (m24.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.87]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA17689 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:14:37 -0700 Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"+xb1rTd12SIShQLp0vkqsguHsIWsP4HYJjOBD5OzSN78De0F2r2H8Q=="> Received: (from blocklm@juno.com) by m24.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id GENTTSSH; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:14:10 EDT To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:14:36 -0700 Subject: Re: The list is busy screaming .. Message-ID: <20010906.091437.158.14.blocklm@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-3,5-13,20-21 From: Brian L Massey Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 20:54:51 -0700 Brian Renegar writes: > Ok, fine. DIY... so they should slap the components on themselves. > Oh but it's DIY... so they should source the PCB's themselves. And it's > still > DIY, so they should do their own artwork. Hell, since it's DIY, > maybe they > should just do the whole thing themselves!!! > > You can't just arbitrarily draw the line somewhere. It doesn't work > that way. Sure it does. Happens all the time. You are forgetting perhaps the companies that offer electronic kits, but do *not* offer anything pre-built (most in fact don't). For many of them, it's part of their philosophy or venue, as well as business plan. In this case, it's just part of the philosophy, since there is no business involved. Call it an arbitrary line if you want, but you *can* draw it, and it can and does work that way. Many examples. Brian -the other Brian- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 09:49:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA17950 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:49:33 -0700 Received: from warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net ([212.159.14.227]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id JAA17946 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:49:23 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host [212.159.14.227] claimed to be warrior-outbound.services.quay.plus.net Received: (qmail 4682 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2001 16:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO leslie) (212.159.25.151) by warrior with SMTP; 6 Sep 2001 16:47:57 -0000 Message-ID: <003001c136f3$3b5ba860$00b6fea9@leslie> From: "Les Newell" To: References: <014f01c01815$b784fde0$340ac9d8@bruce> Subject: Re: Stoich is..... Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 17:43:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Yes, overall there are still the same number of atoms going down the exhaust as come in throught the intake. However, if the air/fuel ratio is not at stoich then there will be spare atoms that don't fit into the equation, so you will have unburnt fuel or unused oxygen. Les > > Unless your turning mass into energy, the number of atoms will always > balance. least to my way of thinking > Bruce > > > From: > Subject: Stoich is..... > > Stoich is.....when there is a balance of elements on the left side and > right side of the "equation" Methane and oxygen (unbalanced) > > > > CH4 + O2 -> CO2 + H20 > > > > The stoichiometric equation is when the number of atoms on the left equal > the number of atoms on the right. so > > > > 1 CH4 + 2 O2 -> 1 CO2 + 2 H2O > > Seldom is there 100% complete combustion. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 09:59:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA18029 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:59:46 -0700 Received: from tiberius.bright.net (tiberius.bright.net [205.212.123.7]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA18025 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:59:39 -0700 Received: from bruce ([216.201.10.52]) by tiberius.bright.net with SMTP id <20010906165938.ZJOA29133.tiberius@bruce> for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:59:38 -0400 Message-ID: <019901c01823$f4c75500$340ac9d8@bruce> From: "Bruce" To: References: <014f01c01815$b784fde0$340ac9d8@bruce> <003001c136f3$3b5ba860$00b6fea9@leslie> Subject: Re: Stoich is..... Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 13:00:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org then it's not an equation, both sides still have to equal each other. Right, just means the first definition given is wrong. Bruce From: "Les Newell" Subject: Re: Stoich is..... > Yes, overall there are still the same number of atoms going down the exhaust > as come in throught the intake. However, if the air/fuel ratio is not at > stoich then there will be spare atoms that don't fit into the equation, so > you will have unburnt fuel or unused oxygen. > Les > > Unless your turning mass into energy, the number of atoms will always > > balance. least to my way of thinking > > Bruce > > From: > > Subject: Stoich is..... > > > Stoich is.....when there is a balance of elements on the left side and > > right side of the "equation" Methane and oxygen (unbalanced) > > > > > > CH4 + O2 -> CO2 + H20 > > > > > > The stoichiometric equation is when the number of atoms on the left > equal > > the number of atoms on the right. so > > > > > > 1 CH4 + 2 O2 -> 1 CO2 + 2 H2O > > > Seldom is there 100% complete combustion. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 10:12:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA18196 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:12:28 -0700 Received: from femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.24]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA18192 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:12:21 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.7.95.237]) by femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010906171211.RQPF28036.femail34.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:12:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3B97B1AB.38E4451A@home.com> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:26:05 -0700 From: Doug Dayson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: How To Get WBO2 PCB (In US)...??? References: <014f01c01815$b784fde0$340ac9d8@bruce> <003001c136f3$3b5ba860$00b6fea9@leslie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Is there any way to get a PCB? Thanks... Doug ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 10:40:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA18459 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:40:11 -0700 Received: from smtpgw.bnl.gov (mail@smtpgw.bnl.gov [130.199.3.16]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA18450 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:39:57 -0700 Received: from bnl.gov ([130.199.128.163]) by smtpgw.bnl.gov with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 15f383-0002hh-00 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:39:51 -0400 Received: from inst911 (inst911.ags.bnl.gov [130.199.100.93]) by bnl.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA16929 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010906133936.00b1b4b0@exchange01.bnl.gov> X-Sender: rschroeder@exchange01.bnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:39:36 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Ron Schroeder Subject: RE: ford questions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org At 10:26 AM 9/6/01 -0500, you wrote: >Scott > >Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match. No No No It's Calculate to 20 decimal places, measure with a micrometer THEN.......... ......Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match Your way is too crude HeHeHe Ron Schroeder WD8CDH E. E. S. wd8cdh@bnl.gov rjs@bnl.gov ron@112motors.com 631 344-4561 Day 631 286-5677 Nite ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 11:07:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA18669 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:07:18 -0700 Received: from titan.golden.net (titan.golden.net [199.166.210.90]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA18665 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:07:11 -0700 Received: from conestoga.net (AS53-04-124.cas-kit.golden.net [209.226.187.124]) by titan.golden.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25729 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B97C824.8C140AF2@conestoga.net> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:01:56 -0500 From: Stephen Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: Re: Digital Tach References: <200109052212.PAA32190@hektor.valesh.com> <3B96D208.E98C79C6@xtra.co.nz> <3B96DD24.735B8E0@techedge.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org A bar graph tach made of LED's would likely be the simplest solution. The problems with a simple electronic digital tacho's is electrical noise causing a false tack reading, analog tach's are somewhat immune to this problem because they require a certain amount of electrical power to overcome impedence in the coil, and they have a small amount of inertia in the needle mechanism that helps keep the needle from wiggling with the electrical noise. The easiest way to reduce tack input noise is to use an unductive pick-up on one of the plug wires for your tach signal. Each time the plug fires you know that the engine has turned one revolution. Then all you need is a counter, a crystal, a multiplexer, and a bunch of led's. The one trouble I ran into with this idea was that I would have a blinking LED at the end of the bar. What I mean is that if each LED was to indicate 1000 rpm, and the engine was running at 1500 rpm, the 1000 rpm LED would remain lighted, but the 2000 rpm LED would blink. I'm pretty sure there's an easy way to get rid of this, but my attention span was gone at that point, and I moved on. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 11:29:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA18894 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:29:48 -0700 Received: from jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov [139.169.39.51]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id LAA18890 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:29:39 -0700 Received: from 139.169.16.21 by jsc-ems-vws04.jsc.nasa.gov (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:29:07 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Received: by jsc-ems-gws02.jsc.nasa.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:29:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "BOWEN, SCOTT M. (JSC-CC) (LM)" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: RE: ford questions Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:26:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your method is for bodywork...mine is for electronics! ;^) hehehehehe Scott Bowen Lockheed Martin Aircraft Simulations Hanger 135B, Ellington Field Houston, TX 77034 scott.m.bowen1@jsc.nasa.gov Voice: 281-244-9669 Fax: 281-244-9681 Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match. At 10:26 AM 9/6/01 -0500, you wrote: >Scott > >Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match. No No No It's Calculate to 20 decimal places, measure with a micrometer THEN.......... ......Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match Your way is too crude HeHeHe Ron Schroeder WD8CDH E. E. S. wd8cdh@bnl.gov rjs@bnl.gov ron@112motors.com 631 344-4561 Day 631 286-5677 Nite ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 11:55:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id LAA19042 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:55:17 -0700 Received: from mm02snlnto.sandia.gov (mm02snlnto.sandia.gov [132.175.109.21]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id LAA19038 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:55:02 -0700 Received: from 132.175.109.1 by mm02snlnto.sandia.gov with ESMTP ( Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:50:48 -0600 X-Server-Uuid: 95b8ca9b-fe4b-44f7-8977-a6cb2d3025ff Received: from es08snlnt.sandia.gov (es08snlnt.sandia.gov [134.253.130.11]) by sass165.sandia.gov (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f86Iswf21327 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:54:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by es08snlnt.sandia.gov with Internet Mail Service ( 5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:54:57 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Diehl, Jeffrey" To: "'diy_efi@diy-efi.org'" Subject: Q: about various types of EGT probes. Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:54:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Filter-Version: 1.3 (sass165) X-WSS-ID: 17891A021956847-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Hi all, I'm looking into putting one or more exhaust temp probes in one of my cars. While pricing the probes, I was asked what type of probe I need. Quick research on the Web revealed that these probes are designated as K-type, J-type, N-type, etc. Does anyone know what this refers to? Is it form factor, or electrical characteristics, for example? Any source of information on the topic would be most appreciated. Thanx, Mike Diehl, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 12:09:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA19178 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:09:14 -0700 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com [212.74.112.72]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19174 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:09:07 -0700 Received: from ppp-4-20.5800-2.access.uk.worldonline.com ([62.64.136.20] helo=e8y0t6) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.worldonline.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #3) id 15f4WL-0001hT-00 for diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:09:01 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c13707$70706f40$1488403e@e8y0t6> From: "Les Newell" To: References: <014f01c01815$b784fde0$340ac9d8@bruce> <003001c136f3$3b5ba860$00b6fea9@leslie> <019901c01823$f4c75500$340ac9d8@bruce> Subject: Re: Stoich is..... Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:03:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Stoich is when the end result is as fully reacted as possible The ideal reaction for methane is 1 CH4 + 2 O2 -> 1 CO2 + 2 H2O Both CO2 and H2O are stable and will not easily react further. If you have too much fuel you end up with: 2 CH4 + 3 O2 -> 2 CO + 4 H2O CO will easily react with oxygen. If you have too much oxygen you end up with: 2 CH4 + 5 O2 -> 2 CO2 + 4 H2O + O2 The O2 will obviously react with any fuel available In practise of course the reactions are not as clear cut as the mixture never fits the equations perfectly so you will get combinations of the above reactions depending on the exact air/fuel mix. Les > > then it's not an equation, both sides still have to equal each other. > Right, just means the first definition given is wrong. > Bruce > > From: "Les Newell" > Subject: Re: Stoich is..... > > Yes, overall there are still the same number of atoms going down the > exhaust > > as come in throught the intake. However, if the air/fuel ratio is not at > > stoich then there will be spare atoms that don't fit into the equation, so > > you will have unburnt fuel or unused oxygen. > > Les > > > > Unless your turning mass into energy, the number of atoms will always > > > balance. least to my way of thinking > > > Bruce > > > > From: > > > Subject: Stoich is..... > > > > Stoich is.....when there is a balance of elements on the left side and > > > right side of the "equation" Methane and oxygen (unbalanced) > > > > > > > > CH4 + O2 -> CO2 + H20 > > > > > > > > The stoichiometric equation is when the number of atoms on the left > > equal > > > the number of atoms on the right. so > > > > > > > > 1 CH4 + 2 O2 -> 1 CO2 + 2 H2O > > > > Seldom is there 100% complete combustion. > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > > quotes) > > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to > majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the > quotes) > > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 12:13:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA19236 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:13:26 -0700 Received: from web13501.mail.yahoo.com (web13501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.80]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id MAA19232 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:13:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20010906191314.88628.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.1.1.33] by web13501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:13:14 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Smith Subject: Re: Q: about various types of EGT probes. To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org, "Diehl, Jeffrey" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Those are thermocouple types. --- "Diehl, Jeffrey" wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking into putting one or more exhaust temp probes in one of my cars. > While pricing the probes, I was asked what type of probe I need. Quick > research on the Web revealed that these probes are designated as K-type, > J-type, N-type, etc. Does anyone know what this refers to? Is it form > factor, or electrical characteristics, for example? > > Any source of information on the topic would be most appreciated. > > Thanx, > Mike Diehl, > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 12:45:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA19596 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:45:41 -0700 Received: from smtpgw.bnl.gov (mail@smtpgw.bnl.gov [130.199.3.16]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19592 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:45:34 -0700 Received: from bnl.gov ([130.199.128.163]) by smtpgw.bnl.gov with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 15f55E-0007AO-00 for ; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:45:04 -0400 Received: from inst911 (inst911.ags.bnl.gov [130.199.100.93]) by bnl.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA16738 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010906154448.00b4dea0@exchange01.bnl.gov> X-Sender: rschroeder@exchange01.bnl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:44:48 -0400 To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org From: Ron Schroeder Subject: Re: Q: about various types of EGT probes. In-Reply-To: <20010906191314.88628.qmail@web13501.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org >--- "Diehl, Jeffrey" wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm looking into putting one or more exhaust temp probes in one of my cars. >> While pricing the probes, I was asked what type of probe I need. Quick >> research on the Web revealed that these probes are designated as K-type, >> J-type, N-type, etc. Does anyone know what this refers to? Is it form >> factor, or electrical characteristics, for example? >> >> Any source of information on the topic would be most appreciated. >> >> Thanx, >> Mike Diehl, Hi Mike, EGT is usually type K thermocouple and CHT is usually type J. Ron Schroeder WD8CDH E. E. S. wd8cdh@bnl.gov rjs@bnl.gov ron@112motors.com 631 344-4561 Day 631 286-5677 Nite ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 12:47:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA19626 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:47:41 -0700 Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com (mail2.verizonwireless.com [199.74.158.61]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19622 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:47:34 -0700 From: Steve.Flanagan@VerizonWireless.com X-Authentication-Warning: hektor.valesh.com: Host mail2.verizonwireless.com [199.74.158.61] claimed to be mail.verizonwireless.com Received: from mail.verizonwireless.com by mail.verizonwireless.com (414/1100) with ESMTP id f86JZE715998 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hqbedigwy2.corp.bam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:44:52 -0400 Message-ID: To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Subject: RE: Q: about various types of EGT probes. Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:44:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Everyone uses K-type that I know, the type dictates the temp range as well as the linear response of the type thermocouple. K-type is good upto about 2000 deg F. What are you going to read the sensor with, its not as simple as just measuring voltage. A circuit has to be used that measures the junction as well as compensates for temp of the op amps being used. I looked into it several years ago, not rocket science, but is not trivial either. Thats the extent of my knowledge on it for now. 5 years ago I looked into building one, I wound up buying one instead. There is plenty of info on the net regarding using these devices, start with www.OMEGA.com and look at their data sheets. Here is one site I remember: http://www.dataforth.com/catalog/doc_generator.asp?Path=intro.signal.html Check out some data recorder companies and you can see what they are using. RACEPAK.com, Corsa-Inst.com, Autometer, etc... SF -----Original Message----- From: Matt Smith [mailto:mdsdm@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:13 PM To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org; Diehl, Jeffrey Subject: Re: Q: about various types of EGT probes. Those are thermocouple types. --- "Diehl, Jeffrey" wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking into putting one or more exhaust temp probes in one of my cars. > While pricing the probes, I was asked what type of probe I need. Quick > research on the Web revealed that these probes are designated as K-type, > J-type, N-type, etc. Does anyone know what this refers to? Is it form > factor, or electrical characteristics, for example? > > Any source of information on the topic would be most appreciated. > > Thanx, > Mike Diehl, > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) > in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 12:58:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id MAA19743 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:58:18 -0700 Received: from pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (pioneers1.mts.mb.ca [142.160.2.11]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19739 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:58:11 -0700 From: Neil.Poersch@mts.mb.ca Received: from smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca (smtp_mts.mts.mb.ca [142.160.162.230]) by pioneers1.mts.mb.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA15961 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:54:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Q: about various types of EGT probes. To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:55:39 -0500 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on SMTP_MTS/GW/MTS(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 09/06/2001 02:54:53 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-diy_efi@diy-efi.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@diy-efi.org Mike, The designations refer to the different types of dissimilar metals used in the thermocouple. You want to use a K-type. It will cover the temperature range of exhaust gas and is also more ductile so less breakage of the wires. Neil > I'm looking into putting one or more exhaust temp probes in one of my cars. While pricing the probes, I was asked what type of probe I need. Quick research on the Web revealed that these probes are designated as K-type, J-type, N-type, etc. Does anyone know what this refers to? Is it form factor, or electrical characteristics, for example? Any source of information on the topic would be most appreciated. Thanx, Mike Diehl, < ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from diy_efi, send "unsubscribe diy_efi" (without the quotes) in the body of a message (not the subject) to majordomo@lists.diy-efi.org From diy_efi-owner Thu Sep 6 15:38:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id PAA20757 for diy_efi-outgoing; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:38:32 -0700 Received: from web11206.mail.yahoo.com (web11206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.188]) by hektor.valesh.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id PAA20749 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:38:21 -0700 Message-ID: <20010906223757.22405.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.10.163.56] by web11206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 15:37:57 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Davison Subject: New me