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   In message <9412071758.AA13205@ivan.prior.com> , you write:
 
| My goal is to have an easy to start, reliable, engine ready for next summer.

wow... next summer... that's fast. And you have a "real" job too? :).

| BTW: If I try to get any files from Majordomo@coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu
| I recieve the following message:
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| > From Majordomo-Owner@coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu  Wed Dec  7 11:16:56 1994
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| > To: MSargent@gallium.com
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I can confirm that two individuals have had the archive bounce due to
length (Mike, you were one of them). I'm working on this problem and
should had a "fix" soon.

has anyone else had this "lack of disk space" error? I find it hard to
believe that this is a problem here as all of my error are logged. Try
having someone else mail you a *large* file. 


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John S Gwynne <jsg@coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu> writes:
 
> | My goal is to have an easy to start, reliable, engine ready for next summer.

> wow... next summer... that's fast. And you have a "real" job too? :).

I don't necessarily expect to build my own EFI system from scratch. I will
happily use an aftermarket ECU (i.e., from Accel, DFI, NOS, etc.) if it will
do the job.

My interest here is see what parts and pieces I can use and how to adapt them
to my unique situation.

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From: Craig Pugsley <c.pugsley@trl.oz.au>
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Subject: Re: New Chip, Great Idea
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> 
> I got some information on a new chip, this is a great idea for those of 
> you who design stuff that uses a HC11 or 8051 and need more ports and 
> less board space used.
> 
> The chips are the "PSD" family. They contain Eprom, RAM, address decode 
> logic, ports and such. Most of the stuff you normaly have as seperate 
> chips. The chip has a window for erase of the Eprom.
> 
> They have many models, so you should ask for the information sheets they 
> have.

Any part numbers? (I want to look on our CD rom)

Also of similar description is the Xicor 88C64, which is an 8k EEPROM
specifically designed as a 'single chip memory for single chip micros'.

It has the following features:
-8k (Flash?) EEPROM
-Memory can be segmented into multiples of 1k, and designated as
 program memory or data memory (Important for some chips as these
 address ranges overlap/are the same)
-10,000+ write cycles (Needs no special voltages to write to chip)
-'Data protection': You must a 3 byte sequence before a write, this
 stops rogue processors from killing everything in the memory
-'Write protect' of any of the 1k blocks (EG write protect the program)
-'Dual plane architecture' - allows you to continue reading after a
 write is initiated (As a write takes a few mS to finish)
-No 'glue logic' required for 8051 family or 68HC11 family, all
 latches etc on chip.

This chip seems just about perfect for DIY_EFI memory, however I don't
know if it's available in larger sizes.
Price (in australia) is around $US20 (incl.tax.) for 1 offs., which is
still a bit cheaper than an EPROM and a RAM with extra board space etc.

I thought I might put the serial download code in the first 1k, and
write protect it, then put the downloaded code into 4k, and data in the
last 3k. But first I'm getting my basic setup with eprom and sram going.

Craig.
pugsley@trl.oz.au

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     Hi Mike, My name is Louis Faustini. I am an electrical engineer and
an absoloute addict of cars, boats, motorcycles, and of course, computers.
I design and build embeded systems for control of high-power microwave 
systems for the Army, to pay the rent/loans. I am currently working on 
a EFI system for my 1980 Mercuri Capri, (on its 3rd and best bult engine)
I am also interested in building an EFI system for my 1994 Kawasaki XI jetski.
Its nice to hear that I'm not the only one who wants to put computers, 
electricity, and gasoline on the water!!!  Let me know how you're merc
motor comes along. If you have any questions feel free to ask me..

                                 ----- Lou Faustini


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From: David Cooley <cooldave@nando.net>
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Hello,
Am working on my own J1850 OBDII interface.  Have several different ways 
to go about this, and several chipsets are in hand.  I am not familiar 
with 68HC05 and 68HC11 programming.  This is my block.  Any help as to 
where to get either c to 68xx compilers or what the best route to learn 
68xx assembly would be appreciated.  Thanks,
Dave
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Hello..
Forgot to introduce myself.
I am Dave Cooley.  No college, worked for Hughes Aircraft for 5 yrs in 
Test equipment and pc repair, now have worked for 6 yrs for Siemens 
Medical Systems repairing and maintaining MRI and Cat scan systems.
As I mentioned before, I am designing and building my own J1850/OBDII
interface to hook onboard computers to laptops.  The J1850 BUS looks like 
a very good system for this project to interface all facets together with 
and is very simple.  CPU hooks to 2 chips and the output is at J1850.  It 
is a single wire, High noise immune system.  Harris semiconductor makes 
the chips and they will interface with just about any micro.  They are 
also very inexpensive.  Harris makes most of the internals for the 
Chrysler PCM's, and has a lot of dedicated chips. IE Knock Sensor system 
(1 chip) Injector drivers, Electronic ignition drivers etc.  Their parts 
are all very inexpensive and the CPU's of these PCM's are based on the 
motorols MC68HC05.  Harris calls it the HIP7030A0.  It is a 6805 without 
eeprom or ram.  $25.00 retail.  Just like the 'hc05, it comes as masked 
rom, eeprom, ram etc.  I am sort of reverse engineering, as they are 
designing for the Auto makers PCM usage, but I just have to change the 
code in my controller.  This bus interface will also allow the design of 
an ECM here to be OBD_II compliant and possibly be used on the road 
legally.  By 1998, all vehicles in the US have to be OBD_II compliant.
Just a suggestion, but this will keep this project on top of technology!
Best part, again, is low cost.  The 2 interface chips are 6.00 each retail.
Thanks,
Dave Cooley
cooldave@nando.net



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On Mon, 12 Dec 1994, David Cooley wrote:

> Hello..
> Forgot to introduce myself.
> I am Dave Cooley.  No college, worked for Hughes Aircraft for 5 yrs in 
> Test equipment and pc repair, now have worked for 6 yrs for Siemens 
> Medical Systems repairing and maintaining MRI and Cat scan systems.
> As I mentioned before, I am designing and building my own J1850/OBDII
> interface to hook onboard computers to laptops.  The J1850 BUS looks like 
> a very good system for this project to interface all facets together with 
> legally.  By 1998, all vehicles in the US have to be OBD_II compliant.

Actually, by 1996 all vehicles in the US must be OBDII compliant.  The 
Clean Air Act of 1990 will allow the EPA to accept Califormia systems 
through 1998.  So OBDII is required by 1996 but if the manufacturer can't 
make it they must at least meet California requirements through 1998 when 
California and OBDII requirements are identical.

It should be noted that the LT1 Corvette and 3.8L Buick Regal were OBDII 
compliant as of MY 1994.  The only thing these cars don't do is enable 
the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL), or another "Check Engine" light.  
They do store the codes in memory though, so a technician with the TECH 1 
can read the faults.  For 1995, the 4.3L GMC Sonoma/Jimmy and Chev 
S-10/S-10 Blazers are fully OBDII compliant.  Also the 2.3L Quad 4's in 
the new Cavaliers and Pont. Sunfires should be fully OBDII compliant.  
Finally, the 1995 Camaro's and Firebird's should be fully OBDII 
compliant.  

I am not sure about any companies other than GM but I would think that at 
least Ford would probably have a couple vehicles out there with OBDII as 
well.

Ryan


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 Excuse my ignorance, but what is OBDII ??
Is it some diagnostic standard?

           ----Louis Faustini


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>By 1998, all vehicles in the US have to be OBD_II compliant.
>Just a suggestion, but this will keep this project on top of technology!

I read somewhere (think it was Hot Rod) that the OBD_II bill didn't pass
in the House. Did they finally push it through?

Another side effect of OBD_II was that all new ECMs were to be potted
so that tampering with the system would be difficult. I don't really like
the sound of this. 

Dig
sdbartho@hwking.cca.rockwell.com
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Feel the power of the wind.

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> I can confirm that two individuals have had the archive bounce due to
> length (Mike, you were one of them). I'm working on this problem and
> should had a "fix" soon.

My local sys admin fixed up some disk space on our gateway machine and I can
now get most files from the list server. However, I can't get archive_current
(1.3 MB). I presume somewhere along the path a mailer is throwing this away
because it's way too big. It's probably not at my end any more because I no
longer get any response, where before I got the "MAIL DELETED ..." message.

Does anyone have a copy of archive_current on an Anonymous FTP site? I'd like
to catch up on what's been happening before I start shooting off my big
mouth. The DIY EFI WWW site has about 300 KB of messages, but nothing since
May 94.

Thanks,
       Mike

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FYI:

OBD-II = On-Board Diagnostics II

(a system intended to indentify component and systems failures
which prevent a vehicle from meeting emissions regulations)

Anthony Tsakiris

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tsakiris@ed8200.ped.pto.ford.com Wrote:
| FYI:
| 
| OBD-II = On-Board Diagnostics II
| 
| (a system intended to indentify component and systems failures
| which prevent a vehicle from meeting emissions regulations)
| 
| Anthony Tsakiris
| 


It's more than that, it also defines a standard one or two wire serial bus 
that the ECM uses to communicate with sensors and other equipment (including 
diagnostic equipment), and a standard for the information packets that are 
placed on the bus.  So one diagnostic computer will work for all cars.  This 
would indeed be a good feature to include on a diy-efi computer.

--steve



