From jayrabe at gmail.com  Mon May  1 10:07:59 2006
From: jayrabe at gmail.com (Jay Rabe)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:07:59 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Hoses...
In-Reply-To: <bedc2dea0604301758v4c0fb912o31a59dd6e5a92f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44551B88.1030208@f2s.com>
	<bedc2dea0604301758v4c0fb912o31a59dd6e5a92f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b52bf8c50605010807od9ac524q938c406a5246aee8@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, pretty much what lee said.  You should be able to pick up an exhaust
reducer to go between the two sizes of hose you need (each side sized for
the 2 different sizes of hose).  Get a short straight section of the
radiator neck sized hose and a couple clamps.  Just make sure the ends of
the reducer are not sharp, so it doesn't bite into the hoses.

On 4/30/06, Lee M. Lemoine <llemoine at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You can always boil the hoses you have currently to see if they'll stretch
> (its a bit of a pain) and putting some dish soap on the fitting and inside
> the hose will usually aid in the hose getting over the fitting a little
> easier.
>
> The other option you have is to find a similar pipe with a neutral
> diameter,
> get a piece of steel pipe, and splice it in the middle...   I've seen this
> done before to extend pipes with radiators moved 'forward' in the engine
> compartment.  The other option there is that you get a small piece of
> pipe,
> and use a piece of silicone hose adapter (similar to the ones sold for
> intercoolers and whatnot) and use that to adapt the sizes.
>
> Just a few thoughts.   Vibration shouldn't be much of an issue as long as
> the pipe isn't rubbing against anything.
>
> On 4/30/06, Ian Molton <spyro at f2s.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > not EFI specific, but Im installing a larger radiator... the hose
> > fittings are bigger by just enough that the pipes probably wont stretch
> > over them, although the locations are the same. obviously pipes with odd
> > sized ends are not going to come ready made for the vehicle...
> >
> > any good solutions? one hose is quite short, so I am concious that it
> > its made too rigid in the process it could cause problems with engine
> > vibration.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diy_efi mailing list
> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Lee M. Lemoine
> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
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From Head2Wind at gmail.com  Tue May  2 10:55:00 2006
From: Head2Wind at gmail.com (KN)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 08:55:00 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] Hoses...
In-Reply-To: <b52bf8c50605010807od9ac524q938c406a5246aee8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c66e00$c4b6fda0$09282786@mv.skagit.edu>

Lee,
If you do not bead the ends of the exhaust tubing you will be in for a not
so fun experience when the hose slips off the end and dumps all the very hot
coolant all over the place..... been there, not good!  At the very least if
you don't have access to a tubing beader, take the MIG and buzz a quick bead
around each end about 1/4" in.... I have done this before and it works but
it is not as clean as the bent in bead.

If you can get your parts house person to let you behind the counter into
the sea of different hoses that they have hanging on the wall there have
been many times where I have found the right hose for the custom install
from some other application.  Usually there is at least one that will work
and there are hoses that have different sizes end for end so that should
deal with the step-up/down situation.

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On
Behalf Of Jay Rabe
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 8:08 AM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Hoses...

Yeah, pretty much what lee said.  You should be able to pick up an exhaust
reducer to go between the two sizes of hose you need (each side sized for
the 2 different sizes of hose).  Get a short straight section of the
radiator neck sized hose and a couple clamps.  Just make sure the ends of
the reducer are not sharp, so it doesn't bite into the hoses.

On 4/30/06, Lee M. Lemoine <llemoine at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You can always boil the hoses you have currently to see if they'll stretch
> (its a bit of a pain) and putting some dish soap on the fitting and inside
> the hose will usually aid in the hose getting over the fitting a little
> easier.
>
> The other option you have is to find a similar pipe with a neutral
> diameter,
> get a piece of steel pipe, and splice it in the middle...   I've seen this
> done before to extend pipes with radiators moved 'forward' in the engine
> compartment.  The other option there is that you get a small piece of
> pipe,
> and use a piece of silicone hose adapter (similar to the ones sold for
> intercoolers and whatnot) and use that to adapt the sizes.
>
> Just a few thoughts.   Vibration shouldn't be much of an issue as long as
> the pipe isn't rubbing against anything.
>
> On 4/30/06, Ian Molton <spyro at f2s.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > not EFI specific, but Im installing a larger radiator... the hose
> > fittings are bigger by just enough that the pipes probably wont stretch
> > over them, although the locations are the same. obviously pipes with odd
> > sized ends are not going to come ready made for the vehicle...
> >
> > any good solutions? one hose is quite short, so I am concious that it
> > its made too rigid in the process it could cause problems with engine
> > vibration.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diy_efi mailing list
> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Lee M. Lemoine
> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>
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From Steve.Ravet at arm.com  Tue May  2 11:57:14 2006
From: Steve.Ravet at arm.com (Steve Ravet)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:57:14 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Hoses...
Message-ID: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F1FBBF@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org 
> [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of KN
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 10:55 AM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] Hoses...
> 
> Lee,
> 
> If you can get your parts house person to let you behind the 
> counter into the sea of different hoses that they have 
> hanging on the wall there have been many times where I have 
> found the right hose for the custom install from some other 
> application.  Usually there is at least one that will work 
> and there are hoses that have different sizes end for end so 
> that should deal with the step-up/down situation.

This is what the S-10 V8 conversions use.  A Ford hose, which when cut
and rejoined has the right shape, and then an insert because the
radiator end of the ford hose is too large.  So if you're looking at
hoses keep in mind that you might be able to remove a section or
cut/paste 2 hoses to make what you need.  Keep track of the part numbers
or applications so you don't have to repeat.

--steve


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From llemoine at gmail.com  Tue May  2 12:52:02 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 13:52:02 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Hoses...
In-Reply-To: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F1FBBF@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>
References: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F1FBBF@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605021052m1141bfe5w347c4b1e400032f7@mail.gmail.com>

All very good points, sorry i forgot to mention rounding and beading the
joining piece.  Good idea with the mig bead... never thought of that!



On 5/2/06, Steve Ravet <Steve.Ravet at arm.com> wrote:
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
> > [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of KN
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 10:55 AM
> > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] Hoses...
> >
> > Lee,
> >
> > If you can get your parts house person to let you behind the
> > counter into the sea of different hoses that they have
> > hanging on the wall there have been many times where I have
> > found the right hose for the custom install from some other
> > application.  Usually there is at least one that will work
> > and there are hoses that have different sizes end for end so
> > that should deal with the step-up/down situation.
>
> This is what the S-10 V8 conversions use.  A Ford hose, which when cut
> and rejoined has the right shape, and then an insert because the
> radiator end of the ford hose is too large.  So if you're looking at
> hoses keep in mind that you might be able to remove a section or
> cut/paste 2 hoses to make what you need.  Keep track of the part numbers
> or applications so you don't have to repeat.
>
> --steve
>
>
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Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From ebuckler at icehouse.net  Tue May  2 18:43:30 2006
From: ebuckler at icehouse.net (Ernest Buckler)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:43:30 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] Hoses...
References: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F1FBBF@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>
	<bedc2dea0605021052m1141bfe5w347c4b1e400032f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <053b01c66e42$37dac960$0300a8c0@clive>

Top reply: Re "cut & paste" hose assemblies, may I ask how we are joining
the two different sections of hose in a reliable manner?
Ernie

All very good points, sorry i forgot to mention rounding and beading the
joining piece.  Good idea with the mig bead... never thought of that!


> This is what the S-10 V8 conversions use.  A Ford hose, which when cut
> and rejoined has the right shape, and then an insert because the
> radiator end of the ford hose is too large.  So if you're looking at
> hoses keep in mind that you might be able to remove a section or
> cut/paste 2 hoses to make what you need.  Keep track of the part numbers
> or applications so you don't have to repeat.



From boucherj at prodigy.net  Tue May  2 18:58:08 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe Boucher)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:58:08 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Re: OBDII PCM reprograming?
In-Reply-To: <00b201c668cd$a243bb10$0202a8c0@MajorDisaster>
Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDGEOOEEAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>

Now it's at www.jetchip.com.

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
Behalf Of The AirHawk
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:06 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: [Diy_efi] Re: OBDII PCM reprograming?


>> Looks good.
>> Does anyone know the price?
>> mv

>The hardware used to be $350 or so, if I recall correctly.  He's taken
>the prices off the price sheet, they used to be there.  OBD2 TDFs are
>still there, $80 each.  Probably should write him to find out what's
>going on with the OBD2 hardware.

>--steve

It's all been shifted to the Mondax website, I guess he's selling through a
3rd-party:

http://www.monodax.com/products.html

For info, email here: tc at tunercat.com

>From the Mondax website:

TunerCat OBDII Pricing Information

OBD2_07 1996 - 1997 Vortec Trucks (4.3L, 5.7L, 7.4L)
OBD2_06 1998 - 2000 Vortec Trucks (4.3L, 5.7L, 7.4L)
OBD2_02 1999 - 2000 LS1 Trucks (4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L)
OBD2_01 1999 - 2001 Camaro/Firebird/Corvette LS1
OBD2_03 2001 - 2002 LS1 Trucks (4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L)

The following are scheduled for release early this year:

OBD2_04 2003 - 2004 LS1 Trucks (4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L)
OBD2_08 1996 - 1997 Camaro/Firebird/Corvette LT1
OBD2_09 1997 - 1998 Camaro/Firebird/Corvette LS1
OBD2_05 2002 - 2003 Camaro/Firebird/Corvette LS1
OBD2_10 2004 Corvette

The OBDII Tuner package sells for $379.95 and includes the following:

OBDII Tuner Program on CD
OBDII/RS232 Interface
OBDII Cable
RS232 Cable
Your choice of one Vehicle Definition File

Additional Vehicle Definition Files can be purchased for $79.95 each.

As with all our software, the OBDII Tuner program is not VIN locked to a
single vehicle and as a
registered user you are always eligible for free updates to the software and
Vehicle Definition
Files.


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From boucherj at prodigy.net  Tue May  2 20:48:31 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe Boucher)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:48:31 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
In-Reply-To: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDGEOOEEAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDCEPAEEAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>

Did GM PCM go away?  Every time I try gmpcm.com a page comes up telling me I
don't have authorization to view page.

Joe B.



From llemoine at gmail.com  Tue May  2 22:22:40 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:22:40 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Datalogging with a PocketPC
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605022022j3788e47at9e94585f83a2980a@mail.gmail.com>

It seems everyones doing datalogging with PALM based devices, anyone seen
any OBD2 software that works with a PPC based proccessor?  My exact PDA is a
Dell Axim X30 (incase you're wondering for applicatoin
interchangability)...

I've looked around and not come up with much -- everything seems to be Palm
based.  Maybe theres a PALM emulator ;) hahahah

Best regards!

--
Sincerely,

Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From skishop69 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 08:10:40 2006
From: skishop69 at yahoo.com (Bret Levandowski)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 06:10:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
In-Reply-To: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDCEPAEEAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <20060503131040.38948.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>

It's ECM not PCM.

Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
  Did GM PCM go away? Every time I try gmpcm.com a page comes up telling me I
don't have authorization to view page.

Joe B.

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From Steve.Ravet at arm.com  Wed May  3 09:08:40 2006
From: Steve.Ravet at arm.com (Steve Ravet)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Hoses...
Message-ID: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F1FDDB@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org 
> [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Ernest Buckler
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:44 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Hoses...
> 
> Top reply: Re "cut & paste" hose assemblies, may I ask how we 
> are joining the two different sections of hose in a reliable manner?
> Ernie

Napa sells radiator hose repair kits that include a plastic coupler and
hose clamps, part number 732-1200.

--steve


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From Steve.Ravet at arm.com  Wed May  3 09:11:46 2006
From: Steve.Ravet at arm.com (Steve Ravet)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:11:46 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
Message-ID: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F1FDE0@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>

there's a www.gmpcm.com WWW page, which is tuner software that I hadn't
heard of before.  Has anyone used it?  If it was not working yesterday,
then it seems to have been fixed.  This list is gmecm, found at
www.diy-efi.org/gmecm.  But you already knew that...

--steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org 
> [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Bret Levandowski
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:11 AM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
> 
> It's ECM not PCM.
> 
> Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
>   Did GM PCM go away? Every time I try gmpcm.com a page comes 
> up telling me I don't have authorization to view page.
> 
> Joe B.
> 

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From boucherj at prodigy.net  Wed May  3 11:04:11 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe B)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:04:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
In-Reply-To: <20060503131040.38948.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060503160411.88332.qmail@web80224.mail.yahoo.com>

I went back and looked at the paper I once printed off
the GMPCM web page, and it is www.gmpcm.com that I am
looking for.  It was a home grown efi modification web
site.

Although I do thank you for the GMECM.com reference. 
There were a couple of links there I had lost.

Thanks anyway,

Joe B.

--- Bret Levandowski <skishop69 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> It's ECM not PCM.
> 
> Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
>   Did GM PCM go away? Every time I try gmpcm.com a
> page comes up telling me I
> don't have authorization to view page.
> 
> Joe B.
> 
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From slack at arlut.utexas.edu  Wed May  3 13:27:00 2006
From: slack at arlut.utexas.edu (Charles M Slack, III)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:27:00 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Datalogging with a PocketPC
In-Reply-To: <bedc2dea0605022022j3788e47at9e94585f83a2980a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bedc2dea0605022022j3788e47at9e94585f83a2980a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4458F5F4.6050608@arlut.utexas.edu>

Lee, Try Harrison R&D. I have their scan tool and use it on my PC and 
Palm PDA.
They may have a version for you also. Mine works very well.
http://www.obdscan.net
Harrison R&D
9802 Sagequeen
Houston Tx 77089
281-751-8836
sales at obdscan.net
Good Luck
Charlie Slack
Austin, TX

Lee M. Lemoine wrote:
> It seems everyones doing datalogging with PALM based devices, anyone seen
> any OBD2 software that works with a PPC based proccessor?  My exact 
> PDA is a
> Dell Axim X30 (incase you're wondering for applicatoin
> interchangability)...
>
> I've looked around and not come up with much -- everything seems to be 
> Palm
> based.  Maybe theres a PALM emulator ;) hahahah
>
> Best regards!
>
> -- 
> Sincerely,
>
> Lee M. Lemoine
> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
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From boucherj at prodigy.net  Wed May  3 20:17:05 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe Boucher)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 20:17:05 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
In-Reply-To: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F1FDE0@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>
Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDIEAEEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>

It was up for awhile this afternoon.  Couldn't spend any time on it.

When I found it, the program offered was the equivalent of Tunercat, but for
only $35 or $40.  And they had most of the OBDI prom bins, also.

Sounds great, uh?  See why I'm frustrated?

Joe B.

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
Behalf Of Steve Ravet
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:12 AM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?


there's a www.gmpcm.com WWW page, which is tuner software that I hadn't
heard of before.  Has anyone used it?  If it was not working yesterday,
then it seems to have been fixed.  This list is gmecm, found at
www.diy-efi.org/gmecm.  But you already knew that...

--steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
> [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Bret Levandowski
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:11 AM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
>
> It's ECM not PCM.
>
> Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
>   Did GM PCM go away? Every time I try gmpcm.com a page comes
> up telling me I don't have authorization to view page.
>
> Joe B.
>

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From llemoine at gmail.com  Wed May  3 22:28:46 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:28:46 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
In-Reply-To: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDIEAEEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
References: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F1FDE0@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>
	<FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDIEAEEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605032028n42e14f6cwc9925ba814efe784@mail.gmail.com>

I'd looked into this at one point in the past, seems to be a really decent
program and is also compatible with certain Moates Rom-u-lators...  Saw some
very positive things over on the Turbo Grand Prix forums.

-- Lee


On 5/3/06, Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> It was up for awhile this afternoon.  Couldn't spend any time on it.
>
> When I found it, the program offered was the equivalent of Tunercat, but
> for
> only $35 or $40.  And they had most of the OBDI prom bins, also.
>
> Sounds great, uh?  See why I'm frustrated?
>
> Joe B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
> Behalf Of Steve Ravet
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:12 AM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
>
>
> there's a www.gmpcm.com WWW page, which is tuner software that I hadn't
> heard of before.  Has anyone used it?  If it was not working yesterday,
> then it seems to have been fixed.  This list is gmecm, found at
> www.diy-efi.org/gmecm.  But you already knew that...
>
> --steve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
> > [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Bret Levandowski
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:11 AM
> > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
> >
> > It's ECM not PCM.
> >
> > Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
> >   Did GM PCM go away? Every time I try gmpcm.com a page comes
> > up telling me I don't have authorization to view page.
> >
> > Joe B.
> >
>
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> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
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Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From michaelp.h at charter.net  Wed May  3 22:27:29 2006
From: michaelp.h at charter.net (Michael)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:27:29 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Reprogramming  PCH chips
References: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDIEAEEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <005e01c66f2a$ac65cc60$0300a8c0@ftwrth1.tx.home.com>

Anyone on the list that offers ECM memory reprogramming? I have a 727/730
style ECM that needs a reprogram to work with a TPI retrofit into an older
car.

thanks,
Michael H.
N Richland Hills TX


From five10man at commspeed.net  Thu May  4 11:00:46 2006
From: five10man at commspeed.net (Tom Visel)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 09:00:46 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F17CEFCCB2AAE23F447774597B20@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY105-F17CEFCCB2AAE23F447774597B20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <445A252E.5060905@commspeed.net>

1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an 
Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
2.
3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the crank 
angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the 
cam sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The 
signal conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no 
dead space in the ring of 360.


John Smith1882 wrote:

> 1. Do you know that for sure?
> 2. n/a
> 3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit 
> does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the 
> optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead 
> space like the #1 injector window?
>
>
>> Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
>> From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E ECU 
>> and CAS
>> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>
>>
>> 1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from not 
>> running at all to limp-in.
>> 2. Don't know.
>> 3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the 
>> distributor.
>
>
>
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>


From spyro at f2s.com  Thu May  4 16:37:17 2006
From: spyro at f2s.com (Ian Molton)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 22:37:17 +0100
Subject: [Diy_efi] Hoses...
In-Reply-To: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F1FDDB@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>
References: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F1FDDB@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>
Message-ID: <445A740D.7010900@f2s.com>


Done the job now.

was a fun event...

on the way to my dads, the oil filler cap popped off the top of the 
engine (luckily, not completely I still had it) and so the cams happily 
splattered oil all over the engine bay (and the bloody radiator)

so, after cleaning that up, fixed the cause of that problem - which was 
a modification I'd made to the airbox to take the crank case gases 
further down the air intake, so as not to fill the air filter with oil. 
it seems this reduced the diameter of the port in the intake too much, 
causing excessive pressure in the valve case, which blew the cap off.

solution was to make a new adapter with a bigger hose, drill the top of 
the intake pipe and insert it into there (its oversize so it cant drop 
through into the works and kill my turbo). the old adapter is now 
stopped off.

the radiator didnt fit (right height, but the mount was different to my 
old one, so we had to make a bracket, grind off the old mount a bit and 
attach the bracket to the old mount. two new bracket on the top held it 
into place.

turned up some pipe ends out of 25 and 32mm stainless on the lathe and 
welded them together to make adapters. turned some notches into the 
adapter so the pipes wouldnt blow off. cut 2" off the ends of the 
existing pipes, and a added some short 32mm sections to the radiator 
end. all fitted together with screw on pipe clips. no leaks so far.

the one irritation is that the fan (which I spent ages de-rusting and 
painting the cover of) seems to have a duff motor. so now I have to 
source one of those. of course, now I have a car with the more common 
(1.3l) version of the radiator, so that shouldnt be hard.

ttfn!


From boucherj at prodigy.net  Thu May  4 21:14:19 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe Boucher)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:14:19 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
In-Reply-To: <bedc2dea0605032028n42e14f6cwc9925ba814efe784@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAEBIEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>

What's weird is I originally logged on to the website from work.  I can
logon from work, but only from work.  There must be some cookie on my
computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
Behalf Of Lee M. Lemoine
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:29 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?


I'd looked into this at one point in the past, seems to be a really decent
program and is also compatible with certain Moates Rom-u-lators...  Saw some
very positive things over on the Turbo Grand Prix forums.

-- Lee


On 5/3/06, Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> It was up for awhile this afternoon.  Couldn't spend any time on it.
>
> When I found it, the program offered was the equivalent of Tunercat, but
> for
> only $35 or $40.  And they had most of the OBDI prom bins, also.
>
> Sounds great, uh?  See why I'm frustrated?
>
> Joe B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
> Behalf Of Steve Ravet
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:12 AM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
>
>
> there's a www.gmpcm.com WWW page, which is tuner software that I hadn't
> heard of before.  Has anyone used it?  If it was not working yesterday,
> then it seems to have been fixed.  This list is gmecm, found at
> www.diy-efi.org/gmecm.  But you already knew that...
>
> --steve
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
> > [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Bret Levandowski
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:11 AM
> > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
> >
> > It's ECM not PCM.
> >
> > Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
> >   Did GM PCM go away? Every time I try gmpcm.com a page comes
> > up telling me I don't have authorization to view page.
> >
> > Joe B.
> >
>
> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
> information in any medium.  Thank you.
>
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Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
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From niche at iinet.net.au  Thu May  4 21:20:54 2006
From: niche at iinet.net.au (Mike)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:20:54 +0800
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <445A252E.5060905@commspeed.net>
References: <BAY105-F17CEFCCB2AAE23F447774597B20@phx.gbl>
	<445A252E.5060905@commspeed.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060505102001.02caf610@203.0.178.192>

Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal tdc...

rgds

mike



At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
>2.
>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the crank angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the cam sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead space in the ring of 360.
>
>
>John Smith1882 wrote:
>
>>1. Do you know that for sure?
>>2. n/a
>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead space like the #1 injector window?
>>
>>
>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>
>>>
>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from not running at all to limp-in.
>>>2. Don't know.
>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the distributor.
>>
>>
>>
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From llemoine at gmail.com  Fri May  5 08:19:39 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:19:39 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
In-Reply-To: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAEBIEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
References: <bedc2dea0605032028n42e14f6cwc9925ba814efe784@mail.gmail.com>
	<FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAEBIEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605050619s174e8bd5s356bd0582a7a5e2c@mail.gmail.com>

Joe:  this could simply be a problem with your browser not re-requesting a
new copy of the page on every reload (try typing the address in, then
holding down shift  (some use control) while clicking REFRESH and usually
that'll force it.  The other thing is that if his domain name DID lapse
somne how, your internet providers DNS server may take 48 hours to release
the expired record.

-- Lee


On 5/4/06, Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> What's weird is I originally logged on to the website from work.  I can
> logon from work, but only from work.  There must be some cookie on my
> computer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
> Behalf Of Lee M. Lemoine
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:29 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
>
>
> I'd looked into this at one point in the past, seems to be a really decent
> program and is also compatible with certain Moates Rom-u-lators...  Saw
> some
> very positive things over on the Turbo Grand Prix forums.
>
> -- Lee
>
>
> On 5/3/06, Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
> >
> > It was up for awhile this afternoon.  Couldn't spend any time on it.
> >
> > When I found it, the program offered was the equivalent of Tunercat, but
> > for
> > only $35 or $40.  And they had most of the OBDI prom bins, also.
> >
> > Sounds great, uh?  See why I'm frustrated?
> >
> > Joe B.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
> > Behalf Of Steve Ravet
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:12 AM
> > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
> >
> >
> > there's a www.gmpcm.com WWW page, which is tuner software that I hadn't
> > heard of before.  Has anyone used it?  If it was not working yesterday,
> > then it seems to have been fixed.  This list is gmecm, found at
> > www.diy-efi.org/gmecm.  But you already knew that...
> >
> > --steve
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
> > > [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Bret Levandowski
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:11 AM
> > > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
> > >
> > > It's ECM not PCM.
> > >
> > > Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
> > >   Did GM PCM go away? Every time I try gmpcm.com a page comes
> > > up telling me I don't have authorization to view page.
> > >
> > > Joe B.
> > >
> >
> > -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
> > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
> > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
> > contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy
> the
> > information in any medium.  Thank you.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diy_efi mailing list
> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
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> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Lee M. Lemoine
> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
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Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From slack at arlut.utexas.edu  Fri May  5 10:42:49 2006
From: slack at arlut.utexas.edu (Charles M Slack, III)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:42:49 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
In-Reply-To: <bedc2dea0605050619s174e8bd5s356bd0582a7a5e2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bedc2dea0605032028n42e14f6cwc9925ba814efe784@mail.gmail.com>	<FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAEBIEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
	<bedc2dea0605050619s174e8bd5s356bd0582a7a5e2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <445B7279.5020206@arlut.utexas.edu>

Lee, I get to it very easily. But I typed in the URL since I didn't have 
it bookmarked.
Charlie Slack
Austin, TX

Lee M. Lemoine wrote:
> Joe:  this could simply be a problem with your browser not 
> re-requesting a
> new copy of the page on every reload (try typing the address in, then
> holding down shift  (some use control) while clicking REFRESH and usually
> that'll force it.  The other thing is that if his domain name DID lapse
> somne how, your internet providers DNS server may take 48 hours to 
> release
> the expired record.
>
> -- Lee
>
>
> On 5/4/06, Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
>>
>> What's weird is I originally logged on to the website from work.  I can
>> logon from work, but only from work.  There must be some cookie on my
>> computer.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
>> Behalf Of Lee M. Lemoine
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:29 PM
>> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
>>
>>
>> I'd looked into this at one point in the past, seems to be a really 
>> decent
>> program and is also compatible with certain Moates Rom-u-lators...  Saw
>> some
>> very positive things over on the Turbo Grand Prix forums.
>>
>> -- Lee
>>
>>
>> On 5/3/06, Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > It was up for awhile this afternoon.  Couldn't spend any time on it.
>> >
>> > When I found it, the program offered was the equivalent of 
>> Tunercat, but
>> > for
>> > only $35 or $40.  And they had most of the OBDI prom bins, also.
>> >
>> > Sounds great, uh?  See why I'm frustrated?
>> >
>> > Joe B.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org 
>> [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
>> > Behalf Of Steve Ravet
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:12 AM
>> > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> > Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
>> >
>> >
>> > there's a www.gmpcm.com WWW page, which is tuner software that I 
>> hadn't
>> > heard of before.  Has anyone used it?  If it was not working 
>> yesterday,
>> > then it seems to have been fixed.  This list is gmecm, found at
>> > www.diy-efi.org/gmecm.  But you already knew that...
>> >
>> > --steve
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org
>> > > [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Bret Levandowski
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:11 AM
>> > > To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> > > Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] GM PCM gone?
>> > >
>> > > It's ECM not PCM.
>> > >
>> > > Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
>> > >   Did GM PCM go away? Every time I try gmpcm.com a page comes
>> > > up telling me I don't have authorization to view page.
>> > >
>> > > Joe B.
>> > >
>> >
>> > -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments 
>> are
>> > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
>> > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose 
>> the
>> > contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy
>> the
>> > information in any medium.  Thank you.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Diy_efi mailing list
>> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Diy_efi mailing list
>> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Lee M. Lemoine
>> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
>> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
>> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diy_efi mailing list
>> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diy_efi mailing list
>> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Sincerely,
>
> Lee M. Lemoine
> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi



From dirtrider218 at hotmail.com  Fri May  5 13:48:15 2006
From: dirtrider218 at hotmail.com (John Smith1882)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 11:48:15 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <BAY0-MC8-F18r56RFY60010b066@bay0-mc8-f18.bay0.hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F396E77E15A0212D16550D997B50@phx.gbl>


I don't have the actual parts; this is the best image I have found thus far 
after DAYS of searching.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/65ShelbyClone/triggerwheel.jpg

Now that my suspicions have been confirmed on the conditioning circuit, it 
shouldn't be hard to build one with a 556 IC. I already have a handful of 
optical switches, so the trigger wheel will be the only real challenge. I 
think in order to keep machine time down, I may just make a crank-mounted 
angle wheel with 180 windows instead and a seperate 50% underdriven 4-window 
injector wheel.

I still haven't found any definite confirmation that the injector pulse 
alone can tell the computer the rough crank angle. Supposedly it will throw 
a code, yet still run...

>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:20:54 +0800
>From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060505102001.02caf610 at 203.0.178.192>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
>RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
>control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal tdc...
>




From five10man at commspeed.net  Fri May  5 14:02:02 2006
From: five10man at commspeed.net (Tom Visel)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 12:02:02 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060505102001.02caf610@203.0.178.192>
References: <BAY105-F17CEFCCB2AAE23F447774597B20@phx.gbl>	<445A252E.5060905@commspeed.net>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060505102001.02caf610@203.0.178.192>
Message-ID: <445BA12A.3050603@commspeed.net>

How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's an 
FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's 
link and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it 
doesn't come through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO 
terms vs. Nissan ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which 
identifies cylinder #1.  I have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not 
fire the injectors every time the blocked hole came around, so I know 
the inner ring of holes is used to trigger the injectors.

TomV

Mike wrote:

>Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
>RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
>control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal tdc...
>
>rgds
>
>mike
>
>
>
>At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
>  
>
>>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
>>2.
>>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the crank angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the cam sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead space in the ring of 360.
>>
>>
>>John Smith1882 wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>1. Do you know that for sure?
>>>2. n/a
>>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead space like the #1 injector window?
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
>>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
>>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from not running at all to limp-in.
>>>>2. Don't know.
>>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the distributor.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>Regards from
>
>
>Mike Massen
>Network Power Systems
>Lab 08 9444 8961
>Mb 0438 048961
>Perth, Western Australia
>* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the best
>  oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
>_______________________________________________
>Diy_efi mailing list
>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>
>
>  
>


From llemoine at gmail.com  Fri May  5 15:26:18 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:26:18 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <445BA12A.3050603@commspeed.net>
References: <BAY105-F17CEFCCB2AAE23F447774597B20@phx.gbl>
	<445A252E.5060905@commspeed.net>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060505102001.02caf610@203.0.178.192>
	<445BA12A.3050603@commspeed.net>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605051326t1720c316l4ad414b025f55ac3@mail.gmail.com>

Feel free to e-mail them to me (llemoine at gmail.com) i'll get them up on the
FTP site later this evening for you.

-- Lee


On 5/5/06, Tom Visel <five10man at commspeed.net> wrote:
>
> How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's an
> FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's
> link and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it
> doesn't come through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO
> terms vs. Nissan ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which
> identifies cylinder #1.  I have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not
> fire the injectors every time the blocked hole came around, so I know
> the inner ring of holes is used to trigger the injectors.
>
> TomV
>
> Mike wrote:
>
> >Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
> >RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
> >control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal tdc...
> >
> >rgds
> >
> >mike
> >
> >
> >
> >At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an
> Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
> >>2.
> >>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the crank
> angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the cam
> sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal
> conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead space in
> the ring of 360.
> >>
> >>
> >>John Smith1882 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>1. Do you know that for sure?
> >>>2. n/a
> >>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit
> does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the
> optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead space
> like the #1 injector window?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
> >>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E ECU
> and CAS
> >>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from not
> running at all to limp-in.
> >>>>2. Don't know.
> >>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the
> distributor.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Diy_efi mailing list
> >>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Diy_efi mailing list
> >>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >Regards from
> >
> >
> >Mike Massen
> >Network Power Systems
> >Lab 08 9444 8961
> >Mb 0438 048961
> >Perth, Western Australia
> >* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
> >* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
> >* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
> >* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the
> best
> >  oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
> >Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
> >_______________________________________________
> >Diy_efi mailing list
> >Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>



--
Sincerely,

Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From five10man at commspeed.net  Fri May  5 15:57:00 2006
From: five10man at commspeed.net (Tom Visel)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 13:57:00 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <bedc2dea0605051326t1720c316l4ad414b025f55ac3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY105-F17CEFCCB2AAE23F447774597B20@phx.gbl>	<445A252E.5060905@commspeed.net>	<6.2.3.4.0.20060505102001.02caf610@203.0.178.192>	<445BA12A.3050603@commspeed.net>
	<bedc2dea0605051326t1720c316l4ad414b025f55ac3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <445BBC1C.2030605@commspeed.net>

Sorry for just spamming everyone; forgot to change the recipient to 
Lee's address prior to sending.

Lee M. Lemoine wrote:

> Feel free to e-mail them to me (llemoine at gmail.com) i'll get them up 
> on the
> FTP site later this evening for you.
>
> -- Lee
>
>
> On 5/5/06, Tom Visel <five10man at commspeed.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's an
>> FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's
>> link and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it
>> doesn't come through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO
>> terms vs. Nissan ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which
>> identifies cylinder #1.  I have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not
>> fire the injectors every time the blocked hole came around, so I know
>> the inner ring of holes is used to trigger the injectors.
>>
>> TomV
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>> >Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
>> >RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
>> >control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal tdc...
>> >
>> >rgds
>> >
>> >mike
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an
>> Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
>> >>2.
>> >>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the 
>> crank
>> angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the 
>> cam
>> sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal
>> conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead 
>> space in
>> the ring of 360.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>John Smith1882 wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>1. Do you know that for sure?
>> >>>2. n/a
>> >>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit
>> does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the
>> optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead 
>> space
>> like the #1 injector window?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
>> >>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E ECU
>> and CAS
>> >>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from not
>> running at all to limp-in.
>> >>>>2. Don't know.
>> >>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the
>> distributor.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>_______________________________________________
>> >>>Diy_efi mailing list
>> >>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> >>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>Diy_efi mailing list
>> >>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> >>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Regards from
>> >
>> >
>> >Mike Massen
>> >Network Power Systems
>> >Lab 08 9444 8961
>> >Mb 0438 048961
>> >Perth, Western Australia
>> >* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>> >* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>> >* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>> >* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the
>> best
>> >  oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>> >Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Diy_efi mailing list
>> >Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> >http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diy_efi mailing list
>> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Sincerely,
>
> Lee M. Lemoine
> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>
>


From llemoine at gmail.com  Fri May  5 17:52:33 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:52:33 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <445BA12A.3050603@commspeed.net>
References: <BAY105-F17CEFCCB2AAE23F447774597B20@phx.gbl>
	<445A252E.5060905@commspeed.net>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060505102001.02caf610@203.0.178.192>
	<445BA12A.3050603@commspeed.net>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605051552v7df47425w6649285cdc7a06be@mail.gmail.com>

RE: Photos


Tom, i've posted the pictures on my website, just to make things easier.

http://turbochargedsoul.com/gallery/diy-efi

btw : Guys, there are some permission issues with the anonymous account on
diy-efi.org, not sure if anyones aware of what the current permission
structure is but i can't create directories in either incoming or pub...


On 5/5/06, Tom Visel <five10man at commspeed.net> wrote:
>
> How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's an
> FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's
> link and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it
> doesn't come through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO
> terms vs. Nissan ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which
> identifies cylinder #1.  I have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not
> fire the injectors every time the blocked hole came around, so I know
> the inner ring of holes is used to trigger the injectors.
>
> TomV
>
> Mike wrote:
>
> >Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
> >RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
> >control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal tdc...
> >
> >rgds
> >
> >mike
> >
> >
> >
> >At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an
> Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
> >>2.
> >>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the crank
> angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the cam
> sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal
> conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead space in
> the ring of 360.
> >>
> >>
> >>John Smith1882 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>1. Do you know that for sure?
> >>>2. n/a
> >>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit
> does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the
> optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead space
> like the #1 injector window?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
> >>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E ECU
> and CAS
> >>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from not
> running at all to limp-in.
> >>>>2. Don't know.
> >>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the
> distributor.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Diy_efi mailing list
> >>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Diy_efi mailing list
> >>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >Regards from
> >
> >
> >Mike Massen
> >Network Power Systems
> >Lab 08 9444 8961
> >Mb 0438 048961
> >Perth, Western Australia
> >* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
> >* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
> >* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
> >* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the
> best
> >  oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
> >Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
> >_______________________________________________
> >Diy_efi mailing list
> >Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>



--
Sincerely,

Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From parmega at auburn.edu  Fri May  5 18:26:53 2006
From: parmega at auburn.edu (Greg Parmer)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 18:26:53 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <bedc2dea0605051552v7df47425w6649285cdc7a06be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c6709b$64a08100$376ccc83@acesag.auburn.edu>

Thanks for sharing the pics.

The inability to create a folder is somewhat of a requirement. WaReZ and similar
will fill your site if you leave that open. At least that's been my
experience...and I was stupid enough to do it twice.

YMMV,
-greg


> Tom, i've posted the pictures on my website, just to make things easier.
> 
> http://turbochargedsoul.com/gallery/diy-efi
> 
> btw : Guys, there are some permission issues with the anonymous account on
> diy-efi.org, not sure if anyones aware of what the current permission
> structure is but i can't create directories in either incoming or pub...
> 
> 
> On 5/5/06, Tom Visel <five10man at commspeed.net> wrote:
> >
> > How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's an
> > FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's
> > link and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it
> > doesn't come through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO
> > terms vs. Nissan ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which
> > identifies cylinder #1.  I have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not
> > fire the injectors every time the blocked hole came around, so I know
> > the inner ring of holes is used to trigger the injectors.
> >
> > TomV
> >
> > Mike wrote:
> >
> > >Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
> > >RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
> > >control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal tdc...
> > >
> > >rgds
> > >
> > >mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an
> > Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
> > >>2.
> > >>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the crank
> > angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the cam
> > sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal
> > conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead space in
> > the ring of 360.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>John Smith1882 wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>1. Do you know that for sure?
> > >>>2. n/a
> > >>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit
> > does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the
> > optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead space
> > like the #1 injector window?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
> > >>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E ECU
> > and CAS
> > >>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from not
> > running at all to limp-in.
> > >>>>2. Don't know.
> > >>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the
> > distributor.




From llemoine at gmail.com  Fri May  5 21:04:12 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 22:04:12 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <000e01c6709b$64a08100$376ccc83@acesag.auburn.edu>
References: <bedc2dea0605051552v7df47425w6649285cdc7a06be@mail.gmail.com>
	<000e01c6709b$64a08100$376ccc83@acesag.auburn.edu>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605051904l7c7ff2d7t8df0b5ee37f3afe6@mail.gmail.com>

We'll have to come up with something.  I'd be glad to host a photo-gallery
for DIY-EFI with a common login, etc.  we'd have to see how it works..



On 5/5/06, Greg Parmer <parmega at auburn.edu> wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing the pics.
>
> The inability to create a folder is somewhat of a requirement. WaReZ and
> similar
> will fill your site if you leave that open. At least that's been my
> experience...and I was stupid enough to do it twice.
>
> YMMV,
> -greg
>
>
> > Tom, i've posted the pictures on my website, just to make things easier.
> >
> > http://turbochargedsoul.com/gallery/diy-efi
> >
> > btw : Guys, there are some permission issues with the anonymous account
> on
> > diy-efi.org, not sure if anyones aware of what the current permission
> > structure is but i can't create directories in either incoming or pub...
> >
> >
> > On 5/5/06, Tom Visel <five10man at commspeed.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's
> an
> > > FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's
> > > link and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it
> > > doesn't come through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the
> ISO
> > > terms vs. Nissan ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which
> > > identifies cylinder #1.  I have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate
> not
> > > fire the injectors every time the blocked hole came around, so I know
> > > the inner ring of holes is used to trigger the injectors.
> > >
> > > TomV
> > >
> > > Mike wrote:
> > >
> > > >Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
> > > >RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
> > > >control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal
> tdc...
> > > >
> > > >rgds
> > > >
> > > >mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an
> > > Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
> > > >>2.
> > > >>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the
> crank
> > > angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the
> cam
> > > sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The
> signal
> > > conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead
> space in
> > > the ring of 360.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>John Smith1882 wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>1. Do you know that for sure?
> > > >>>2. n/a
> > > >>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit
> > > does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the
> > > optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead
> space
> > > like the #1 injector window?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
> > > >>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E
> ECU
> > > and CAS
> > > >>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from
> not
> > > running at all to limp-in.
> > > >>>>2. Don't know.
> > > >>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the
> > > distributor.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>



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Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From Steve.Ravet at arm.com  Fri May  5 21:55:18 2006
From: Steve.Ravet at arm.com (Steve Ravet)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 21:55:18 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
Message-ID: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F205E7@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>

incoming is writeable but not readable.  Everything else is readable but
not writeable.  As Greg said that's to keep the net roaches from filling
up your disk.  Upload to incoming and I'll get it moved over to
pub/uploads.

PLEASE ALWAYS send a note to the list that contains the filenames
uploaded and some kind of description.  That way you can look in the
archives to find out what the files are.

--steve 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org 
> [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Lee M. Lemoine
> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 9:04 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
> 
> We'll have to come up with something.  I'd be glad to host a 
> photo-gallery for DIY-EFI with a common login, etc.  we'd 
> have to see how it works..
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/5/06, Greg Parmer <parmega at auburn.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for sharing the pics.
> >
> > The inability to create a folder is somewhat of a 
> requirement. WaReZ 
> > and similar will fill your site if you leave that open. At least 
> > that's been my experience...and I was stupid enough to do it twice.
> >
> > YMMV,
> > -greg
> >
> >
> > > Tom, i've posted the pictures on my website, just to make 
> things easier.
> > >
> > > http://turbochargedsoul.com/gallery/diy-efi
> > >
> > > btw : Guys, there are some permission issues with the anonymous 
> > > account
> > on
> > > diy-efi.org, not sure if anyones aware of what the current 
> > > permission structure is but i can't create directories in 
> either incoming or pub...
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/5/06, Tom Visel <five10man at commspeed.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so 
> > > > there's
> > an
> > > > FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between 
> > > > John's link and the pics, some useful info should be 
> gleaned.  In 
> > > > case it doesn't come through, there is a fat slit in the CMP 
> > > > (sorry for the
> > ISO
> > > > terms vs. Nissan ones, it's a habit!) portion of the 
> wheel, which 
> > > > identifies cylinder #1.  I have had an oil-fouled interrupter 
> > > > plate
> > not
> > > > fire the injectors every time the blocked hole came 
> around, so I 
> > > > know the inner ring of holes is used to trigger the injectors.
> > > >
> > > > TomV
> > > >
> > > > Mike wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so 
> much like the 
> > > > >RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam 
> > > > >control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap 
> to signal
> > tdc...
> > > > >
> > > > >rgds
> > > > >
> > > > >mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same 
> problem on 
> > > > >>an
> > > > Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the 
> same setup.
> > > > >>2.
> > > > >>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for 
> > > > >>the
> > crank
> > > > angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of 
> those, are for 
> > > > the
> > cam
> > > > sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The
> > signal
> > > > conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There 
> is no dead
> > space in
> > > > the ring of 360.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>John Smith1882 wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>1. Do you know that for sure?
> > > > >>>2. n/a
> > > > >>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning 
> > > > >>>circuit
> > > > does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave 
> signal from 
> > > > the optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 
> slots, is there 
> > > > a dead
> > space
> > > > like the #1 injector window?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
> > > > >>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan 
> > > > >>>>KA24E
> > ECU
> > > > and CAS
> > > > >>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything 
> > > > >>>>from
> > not
> > > > running at all to limp-in.
> > > > >>>>2. Don't know.
> > > > >>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning 
> circuit inside 
> > > > >>>>the
> > > > distributor.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diy_efi mailing list
> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sincerely,
> 
> Lee M. Lemoine
> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren 
> Turbo!) _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> 

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From niche at iinet.net.au  Sun May  7 02:53:42 2006
From: niche at iinet.net.au (Mike)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 15:53:42 +0800
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <445BA12A.3050603@commspeed.net>
References: <BAY105-F17CEFCCB2AAE23F447774597B20@phx.gbl>
	<445A252E.5060905@commspeed.net>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060505102001.02caf610@203.0.178.192>
	<445BA12A.3050603@commspeed.net>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060507155305.02ca84b0@203.0.178.192>

Just email them to me Tom, my email address should be on the
top of your header, if not then here  niche at iinet.net.au

cheers

mike


At 03:02 AM 5/6/06, you wrote:
>How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's an FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's link and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it doesn't come through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO terms vs. Nissan ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which identifies cylinder #1.  I have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not fire the injectors every time the blocked hole came around, so I know the inner ring of holes is used to trigger the injectors.
>
>TomV
>
>Mike wrote:
>
>>Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
>>RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
>>control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal tdc...
>>
>>rgds
>>
>>mike
>>
>>
>>
>>At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
>> 
>>
>>>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
>>>2.
>>>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the crank angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the cam sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead space in the ring of 360.
>>>
>>>
>>>John Smith1882 wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>>1. Do you know that for sure?
>>>>2. n/a
>>>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead space like the #1 injector window?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
>>>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
>>>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from not running at all to limp-in.
>>>>>2. Don't know.
>>>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the distributor.
>>>>>       
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>   
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards from
>>
>>
>>Mike Massen
>>Network Power Systems
>>Lab 08 9444 8961
>>Mb 0438 048961
>>Perth, Western Australia
>>* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>>* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the best
>> oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>>Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>_______________________________________________
>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>>
>> 
>_______________________________________________
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Regards from


Mike
Perth, Western Australia
VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
http://niche.iinet.net.au


From boucherj at prodigy.net  Sun May  7 21:47:28 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe Boucher)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 21:47:28 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any good?
In-Reply-To: <445B7279.5020206@arlut.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAECNEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>

I know have the GM PCM software working.  I don't have a prom writer, so I
can't do anything with it.

Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any good?  Has anyone used it?  It
is the cheapest way to go?

Thanks,

Joe B.



From dirtrider218 at hotmail.com  Mon May  8 12:20:49 2006
From: dirtrider218 at hotmail.com (John Smith1882)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 10:20:49 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any good?
	(Joe Boucher)
In-Reply-To: <BAY0-MC1-F2ikaTAbNF004d7d88@bay0-mc1-f2.bay0.hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F32875077EBAF42D65BA77E97A80@phx.gbl>


It is not the cheapest option, but the $20 alternative costs you a lot of 
time and work to just to save that extra $20. Get the Willem if you need a 
programmer. It supports a huge number of EPROMS and is worth the $40-50. The 
next step up is a moates.net burner, but it only supports a handful EPROMS 
and costs twice as much.

>Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 21:47:28 -0500
>From: "Joe Boucher" <boucherj at prodigy.net>
>Subject: [Diy_efi] Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any good?
>To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAECNEFAA.boucherj at prodigy.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I know have the GM PCM software working.  I don't have a prom writer, so I
>can't do anything with it.
>
>Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any good?  Has anyone used it?  It
>is the cheapest way to go?




From dgilbert78 at juno.com  Mon May  8 13:01:02 2006
From: dgilbert78 at juno.com (Darryl M Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:01:02 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any good?
	(Joe Boucher)
Message-ID: <20060508.140103.-68163.0.dgilbert78@juno.com>

hello: I have a new on that you can have , did not work on my 2716's i
think they were, whatever is used in the 1227747 ECM. It does support a
lit of EPROMS, but not the ones I wanted to burn. Went with the pocket
programmer and it works absolutely perfect. I was going to throw it away.
Pay shipping and its yours
Darryl.....
On Mon, 08 May 2006 10:20:49 -0700 "John Smith1882"
<dirtrider218 at hotmail.com> writes:
> 
> It is not the cheapest option, but the $20 alternative costs you a 
> lot of 
> time and work to just to save that extra $20. Get the Willem if you 
> need a 
> programmer. It supports a huge number of EPROMS and is worth the 
> $40-50. The 
> next step up is a moates.net burner, but it only supports a handful 
> EPROMS 
> and costs twice as much.
> 
> >Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 21:47:28 -0500
> >From: "Joe Boucher" <boucherj at prodigy.net>
> >Subject: [Diy_efi] Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any 
> good?
> >To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> >Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAECNEFAA.boucherj at prodigy.net>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >I know have the GM PCM software working.  I don't have a prom 
> writer, so I
> >can't do anything with it.
> >
> >Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any good?  Has anyone used 
> it?  It
> >is the cheapest way to go?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> 
> 


From hugh at sol.co.uk  Mon May  8 13:20:12 2006
From: hugh at sol.co.uk (hugh at sol.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:20:12 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
Message-ID: <380-22006518182012419@M2W075.mail2web.com>

Here is a picture of the RB26 disc which looks pretty similar.

http://www.sol.co.uk/h/hugh/Motec/RB26%20Trigger%20Disk.JPG

I have a great deal of noise on my RPM trace and assume that it it caused
by cambelt harmonics probably made worse by high lift cams.

Cheers

Hugh

Just email them to me Tom, my email address should be on the
top of your header, if not then here  niche at iinet.net.au

cheers

mike


At 03:02 AM 5/6/06, you wrote:
>How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's an
FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's link
and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it doesn't come
through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO terms vs. Nissan
ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which identifies cylinder #1.  I
have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not fire the injectors every time
the blocked hole came around, so I know the inner ring of holes is used to
trigger the injectors.
>
>TomV
>
>Mike wrote:
>
>>Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
>>RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
>>control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal tdc...
>>
>>rgds
>>
>>mike
>>
>>
>>
>>At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
>> 
>>
>>>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an
Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
>>>2.
>>>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the crank
angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the cam
sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal
conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead space in
the ring of 360.
>>>
>>>
>>>John Smith1882 wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>>1. Do you know that for sure?
>>>>2. n/a
>>>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit
does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the
optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead space
like the #1 injector window?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
>>>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E ECU
and CAS
>>>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from not
running at all to limp-in.
>>>>>2. Don't know.
>>>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the
distributor.
>>>>>       
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>   
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards from
>>
>>
>>Mike Massen
>>Network Power Systems
>>Lab 08 9444 8961
>>Mb 0438 048961
>>Perth, Western Australia
>>* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>>* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the
best
>> oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>>Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>_______________________________________________
>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>>
>> 
>_______________________________________________
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Regards from


Mike
Perth, Western Australia
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Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
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From boucherj at prodigy.net  Mon May  8 22:28:53 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe Boucher)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:28:53 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any
	good?(Joe Boucher)
In-Reply-To: <20060508.140103.-68163.0.dgilbert78@juno.com>
Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAEDHEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>

Well, okay.  Where are you?  What will the postage be, $100?  :-)

I'm at 3100 Sugar St   Bedford, TX 76021

Thanks.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
Behalf Of Darryl M Gilbert
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:01 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE: Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any
good?(Joe Boucher)


hello: I have a new on that you can have , did not work on my 2716's i
think they were, whatever is used in the 1227747 ECM. It does support a
lit of EPROMS, but not the ones I wanted to burn. Went with the pocket
programmer and it works absolutely perfect. I was going to throw it away.
Pay shipping and its yours
Darryl.....
On Mon, 08 May 2006 10:20:49 -0700 "John Smith1882"
<dirtrider218 at hotmail.com> writes:
> 
> It is not the cheapest option, but the $20 alternative costs you a 
> lot of 
> time and work to just to save that extra $20. Get the Willem if you 
> need a 
> programmer. It supports a huge number of EPROMS and is worth the 
> $40-50. The 
> next step up is a moates.net burner, but it only supports a handful 
> EPROMS 
> and costs twice as much.
> 
> >Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 21:47:28 -0500
> >From: "Joe Boucher" <boucherj at prodigy.net>
> >Subject: [Diy_efi] Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any 
> good?
> >To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> >Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAECNEFAA.boucherj at prodigy.net>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >I know have the GM PCM software working.  I don't have a prom 
> writer, so I
> >can't do anything with it.
> >
> >Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any good?  Has anyone used 
> it?  It
> >is the cheapest way to go?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> 
> 
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From niche at iinet.net.au  Mon May  8 22:29:17 2006
From: niche at iinet.net.au (Mike)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:29:17 +0800
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <380-22006518182012419@M2W075.mail2web.com>
References: <380-22006518182012419@M2W075.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060509112416.02cb88b0@203.0.178.192>

Interesting, this is rather different to the RB30 unit which
has the same gaps per cylinder except tdc, I'll find my
analyser traces somewhere - which show the pulse shape
and number of pulses overlap to distinguish tdc from other
cylinders. With the RB30 unit there are often reports of damage,
unfortunately the EHT leads can lie against the CAS leads
and any corona discharge (not a spark but a field effect) can
impress noise on the signals - make sure you have a good
separation between leads and check your ground connection on
the CAS. On the RB30 unit there is an extra ground wire which
goes to a spade on the body of the unit. it doesnt rely on the
interface connector alone.

rgds

Mike



At 02:20 AM 5/9/06, you wrote:
>Here is a picture of the RB26 disc which looks pretty similar.
>
>http://www.sol.co.uk/h/hugh/Motec/RB26%20Trigger%20Disk.JPG
>
>I have a great deal of noise on my RPM trace and assume that it it caused
>by cambelt harmonics probably made worse by high lift cams.
>
>Cheers
>
>Hugh
>
>Just email them to me Tom, my email address should be on the
>top of your header, if not then here  niche at iinet.net.au
>
>cheers
>
>mike
>
>
>At 03:02 AM 5/6/06, you wrote:
>>How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's an
>FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's link
>and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it doesn't come
>through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO terms vs. Nissan
>ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which identifies cylinder #1.  I
>have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not fire the injectors every time
>the blocked hole came around, so I know the inner ring of holes is used to
>trigger the injectors.
>>
>>TomV
>>
>>Mike wrote:
>>
>>>Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
>>>RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
>>>control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal tdc...
>>>
>>>rgds
>>>
>>>mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an
>Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
>>>>2.
>>>>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the crank
>angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the cam
>sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal
>conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead space in
>the ring of 360.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John Smith1882 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>>1. Do you know that for sure?
>>>>>2. n/a
>>>>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit
>does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the
>optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead space
>like the #1 injector window?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
>>>>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E ECU
>and CAS
>>>>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from not
>running at all to limp-in.
>>>>>>2. Don't know.
>>>>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the
>distributor.
>>>>>>       
>>>>>
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>>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>>
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>>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards from
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike Massen
>>>Network Power Systems
>>>Lab 08 9444 8961
>>>Mb 0438 048961
>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>>>* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the
>best
>>> oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>>>Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>
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>
>Regards from
>
>
>Mike
>Perth, Western Australia
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>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
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From boucherj at prodigy.net  Mon May  8 22:34:41 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe Boucher)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:34:41 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Delco Programmiing
In-Reply-To: <7fd4af6105070608086e1ab1fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDOEDHEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>

Well Darth, which state?  New South Wales?  What city are they in?  I'm
coming over in September to Newcastle via Sydney.

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
Behalf Of Darth Vader
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:08 AM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: [Diy_efi] Delco Programmiing


This may be of interest for those reusing Delco computers.

http://www.kalmaker.com.au/page2.html

I have no connection to them, except living in the same state.


Garry.
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From niche at iinet.net.au  Tue May  9 00:06:37 2006
From: niche at iinet.net.au (Mike)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:06:37 +0800
Subject: [Diy_efi] Gas fuel injector on ABC TV Australia
In-Reply-To: <380-22006518182012419@M2W075.mail2web.com>
References: <380-22006518182012419@M2W075.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060509130601.02c797f0@203.0.178.192>





Regards from


Mike Massen
Network Power Systems
Lab 08 9444 8961
Mb 0438 048961
Perth, Western Australia
* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the best
  oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au


From niche at iinet.net.au  Tue May  9 00:23:30 2006
From: niche at iinet.net.au (Mike)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:23:30 +0800
Subject: [Diy_efi] Gas fuel injector on ABC TV Australia
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060509130601.02c797f0@203.0.178.192>
References: <380-22006518182012419@M2W075.mail2web.com>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060509130601.02c797f0@203.0.178.192>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060509132302.02cd4420@203.0.178.192>

Funny, the link didnt turn up, here it is <sigh>:-

http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1345083.htm


At 01:06 PM 5/9/06, you wrote:




>Regards from
>
>
>Mike Massen
>Network Power Systems
>Lab 08 9444 8961
>Mb 0438 048961
>Perth, Western Australia
>* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the best
>  oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
>_______________________________________________
>Diy_efi mailing list
>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi


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Perth, Western Australia
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Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
http://niche.iinet.net.au


From dgilbert78 at juno.com  Tue May  9 06:38:10 2006
From: dgilbert78 at juno.com (Darryl M Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:38:10 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any
	good?(Joe Boucher)
Message-ID: <20060509.073811.-83503.0.dgilbert78@juno.com>

He He You must have been looking on E Bay..item 3 cents, S and H 500
bucks. I figure $10.00 should take care of it, will ship UPS
Darryl Gilbert
7725 30th Ave N
St Petersburg, Fl 33710
I made a cord to power it from the power supply and ran it with the
parallel port. It is for use on a USB port (gets power from there) I had
no USB, so made a power cable to power from a power supply connection and
has a USP connector on the other end. Then ran it on parallel port.
Some where I read that 2716's would have problems, something about not
enough burn current or something. Anyway only played with it a little
until I learned it would not work for me
Darryl....
On Mon, 8 May 2006 22:28:53 -0500 "Joe Boucher" <boucherj at prodigy.net>
writes:
> Well, okay.  Where are you?  What will the postage be, $100?  :-)
> 
> I'm at 3100 Sugar St   Bedford, TX 76021
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Joe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org 
> [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
> Behalf Of Darryl M Gilbert
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 1:01 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE: Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer 
> any
> good?(Joe Boucher)
> 
> 
> hello: I have a new on that you can have , did not work on my 2716's 
> i
> think they were, whatever is used in the 1227747 ECM. It does 
> support a
> lit of EPROMS, but not the ones I wanted to burn. Went with the 
> pocket
> programmer and it works absolutely perfect. I was going to throw it 
> away.
> Pay shipping and its yours
> Darryl.....
> On Mon, 08 May 2006 10:20:49 -0700 "John Smith1882"
> <dirtrider218 at hotmail.com> writes:
> > 
> > It is not the cheapest option, but the $20 alternative costs you a 
> 
> > lot of 
> > time and work to just to save that extra $20. Get the Willem if 
> you 
> > need a 
> > programmer. It supports a huge number of EPROMS and is worth the 
> > $40-50. The 
> > next step up is a moates.net burner, but it only supports a 
> handful 
> > EPROMS 
> > and costs twice as much.
> > 
> > >Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 21:47:28 -0500
> > >From: "Joe Boucher" <boucherj at prodigy.net>
> > >Subject: [Diy_efi] Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any 
> > good?
> > >To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > >Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAECNEFAA.boucherj at prodigy.net>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > >I know have the GM PCM software working.  I don't have a prom 
> > writer, so I
> > >can't do anything with it.
> > >
> > >Is the Willem Universal EPROM Programmer any good?  Has anyone 
> used 
> > it?  It
> > >is the cheapest way to go?
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diy_efi mailing list
> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> > 
> > 
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> 


From justin at jacomms.com  Tue May  9 07:03:18 2006
From: justin at jacomms.com (Justin Albury)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:03:18 +1000
Subject: [Diy_efi] Gas fuel injector on ABC TV Australia
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060509132302.02cd4420@203.0.178.192>
References: <380-22006518182012419@M2W075.mail2web.com>	<6.2.3.4.0.20060509130601.02c797f0@203.0.178.192>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060509132302.02cd4420@203.0.178.192>
Message-ID: <44608506.9070006@jacomms.com>

these injectors work really well.  my twin turbo v6 loves em!!!

justin



Mike wrote:
> Funny, the link didnt turn up, here it is <sigh>:-
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1345083.htm
>
>
> At 01:06 PM 5/9/06, you wrote:
>
>
>
>
>   
>> Regards from
>>
>>
>> Mike Massen
>> Network Power Systems
>> Lab 08 9444 8961
>> Mb 0438 048961
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> * VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>> * Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>> * Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>> * Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the best
>>  oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>> Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diy_efi mailing list
>> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>     
>
>
> Regards from
>
>
> Mike
> Perth, Western Australia
> VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
> Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
> http://niche.iinet.net.au
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>   


From hugh at sol.co.uk  Tue May  9 16:12:50 2006
From: hugh at sol.co.uk (hugh at sol.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:12:50 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
Message-ID: <380-22006529211250569@M2W074.mail2web.com>

Mike,

Thanks for your comments.

The RB26 has a coil on plug set-up so plug lead interference is not an
issue - although interference might be coming from somewhere else.

I will check the ground.

I have an M600 Motec ECU and the new V3 software has a REF and SYNC
oscilloscope trace that you can look at which might tell me more.

I am just finishing an install on a CDI system which may also alleviate
things, but I think a hall sensor
http://www.sol.co.uk/h/hugh/Ignition/Honeywell%20GT1%20hall%20sensor%202.pdf
reading 18 clutch cap head bolts on the back of the fly wheel is probably
the best answer.

Thanks

Hugh


Interesting, this is rather different to the RB30 unit which
has the same gaps per cylinder except tdc, I'll find my
analyser traces somewhere - which show the pulse shape
and number of pulses overlap to distinguish tdc from other
cylinders. With the RB30 unit there are often reports of damage,
unfortunately the EHT leads can lie against the CAS leads
and any corona discharge (not a spark but a field effect) can
impress noise on the signals - make sure you have a good
separation between leads and check your ground connection on
the CAS. On the RB30 unit there is an extra ground wire which
goes to a spade on the body of the unit. it doesnt rely on the
interface connector alone.

rgds

Mike



At 02:20 AM 5/9/06, you wrote:
>Here is a picture of the RB26 disc which looks pretty similar.
>
>http://www.sol.co.uk/h/hugh/Motec/RB26%20Trigger%20Disk.JPG
>
>I have a great deal of noise on my RPM trace and assume that it it caused
>by cambelt harmonics probably made worse by high lift cams.
>
>Cheers
>
>Hugh
>
>Just email them to me Tom, my email address should be on the
>top of your header, if not then here  niche at iinet.net.au
>
>cheers
>
>mike
>
>
>At 03:02 AM 5/6/06, you wrote:
>>How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's an
>FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's link
>and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it doesn't come
>through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO terms vs. Nissan
>ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which identifies cylinder #1.  I
>have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not fire the injectors every time
>the blocked hole came around, so I know the inner ring of holes is used to
>trigger the injectors.
>>
>>TomV
>>
>>Mike wrote:
>>
>>>Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
>>>RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
>>>control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal tdc...
>>>
>>>rgds
>>>
>>>mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an
>Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
>>>>2.
>>>>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the crank
>angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the cam
>sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal
>conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead space in
>the ring of 360.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John Smith1882 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>>1. Do you know that for sure?
>>>>>2. n/a
>>>>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit
>does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the
>optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead space
>like the #1 injector window?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
>>>>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E ECU
>and CAS
>>>>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from not
>running at all to limp-in.
>>>>>>2. Don't know.
>>>>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the
>distributor.
>>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards from
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike Massen
>>>Network Power Systems
>>>Lab 08 9444 8961
>>>Mb 0438 048961
>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>>>* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the
>best
>>> oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>>>Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>
>
>Regards from
>
>
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From brent.holt at siemens.com  Wed May 10 08:13:10 2006
From: brent.holt at siemens.com (Holt, Brent D  PE431)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:13:10 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
Message-ID: <F678111360EA814F928E9AC446C8925C77C836@ORLA205A.ww007.siemens.net>

Hi Hugh,
	I'm a newbie in the group... Just looking into doing some custom
EFI set-ups for your typical junkyard turbo systems... Name is Brent.

Anyway, I noticed on the spec sheet you attached that the sensor's max
RPM is 3600. How do you plan to account for such a low rev? 

-Brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]
On Behalf Of hugh at sol.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:13 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS

Mike,

Thanks for your comments.

The RB26 has a coil on plug set-up so plug lead interference is not an
issue - although interference might be coming from somewhere else.

I will check the ground.

I have an M600 Motec ECU and the new V3 software has a REF and SYNC
oscilloscope trace that you can look at which might tell me more.

I am just finishing an install on a CDI system which may also alleviate
things, but I think a hall sensor
http://www.sol.co.uk/h/hugh/Ignition/Honeywell%20GT1%20hall%20sensor%202
.pdf
reading 18 clutch cap head bolts on the back of the fly wheel is
probably
the best answer.

Thanks

Hugh


Interesting, this is rather different to the RB30 unit which
has the same gaps per cylinder except tdc, I'll find my
analyser traces somewhere - which show the pulse shape
and number of pulses overlap to distinguish tdc from other
cylinders. With the RB30 unit there are often reports of damage,
unfortunately the EHT leads can lie against the CAS leads
and any corona discharge (not a spark but a field effect) can
impress noise on the signals - make sure you have a good
separation between leads and check your ground connection on
the CAS. On the RB30 unit there is an extra ground wire which
goes to a spade on the body of the unit. it doesnt rely on the
interface connector alone.

rgds

Mike



At 02:20 AM 5/9/06, you wrote:
>Here is a picture of the RB26 disc which looks pretty similar.
>
>http://www.sol.co.uk/h/hugh/Motec/RB26%20Trigger%20Disk.JPG
>
>I have a great deal of noise on my RPM trace and assume that it it
caused
>by cambelt harmonics probably made worse by high lift cams.
>
>Cheers
>
>Hugh
>
>Just email them to me Tom, my email address should be on the
>top of your header, if not then here  niche at iinet.net.au
>
>cheers
>
>mike
>
>
>At 03:02 AM 5/6/06, you wrote:
>>How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's
an
>FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's
link
>and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it doesn't
come
>through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO terms vs.
Nissan
>ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which identifies cylinder
#1.  I
>have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not fire the injectors every
time
>the blocked hole came around, so I know the inner ring of holes is used
to
>trigger the injectors.
>>
>>TomV
>>
>>Mike wrote:
>>
>>>Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
>>>RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
>>>control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal
tdc...
>>>
>>>rgds
>>>
>>>mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an
>Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
>>>>2.
>>>>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the
crank
>angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the
cam
>sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal
>conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead
space in
>the ring of 360.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John Smith1882 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>>>1. Do you know that for sure?
>>>>>2. n/a
>>>>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit
>does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the
>optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead
space
>like the #1 injector window?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
>>>>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E
ECU
>and CAS
>>>>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from
not
>running at all to limp-in.
>>>>>>2. Don't know.
>>>>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the
>distributor.
>>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>>
>>>>>     
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>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards from
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike Massen
>>>Network Power Systems
>>>Lab 08 9444 8961
>>>Mb 0438 048961
>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>>>* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk,
the
>best
>>> oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>>>Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
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>>>
>>> 
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>
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>
>
>Mike
>Perth, Western Australia
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From llemoine at gmail.com  Wed May 10 13:41:22 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:41:22 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <F678111360EA814F928E9AC446C8925C77C836@ORLA205A.ww007.siemens.net>
References: <F678111360EA814F928E9AC446C8925C77C836@ORLA205A.ww007.siemens.net>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605101141p111f799elc3a7dabfc8d5a94a@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome to the group...

I think the maximum resolution was 3600 rpm at whatever dutycycle was
there.  I only glanced quickly but it showed almost a 50% d/c (on/off)
whereas the application he'd be using it for would be at much less
resolution.

I know with my haltech i can custom setup my crank trigger circuit to do
whatever i'd like.  I'd imagine his MoTec would have the same type of
configuration options.

Another thought is that if there was a previous version of the engine with a
distributor, that you may be able to use the distributor shaft provided the
crank (or cam) gear has the spline drives on it.  Had to do this for a
friend on a GM V6 which someone had unfortunately snapped the crank sensor
in teh block (and let it rust in there)...   We took a V6 Fiero (which has a
distributor) and took the cap out, and simply used a distributor cap to
cover the assembly -- but all that was in the distributor was the hall
effect sensor which worked alright.  no cam sensor on that car.  (acutally,
the distributor was driven off the far end of the cam (pushrod V6).

If any of that makes sense, more power to you -- i'm going to bed.

Good luck!

On 5/10/06, Holt, Brent D PE431 <brent.holt at siemens.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Hugh,
>         I'm a newbie in the group... Just looking into doing some custom
> EFI set-ups for your typical junkyard turbo systems... Name is Brent.
>
> Anyway, I noticed on the spec sheet you attached that the sensor's max
> RPM is 3600. How do you plan to account for such a low rev?
>
> -Brent
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]
> On Behalf Of hugh at sol.co.uk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:13 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
>
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> The RB26 has a coil on plug set-up so plug lead interference is not an
> issue - although interference might be coming from somewhere else.
>
> I will check the ground.
>
> I have an M600 Motec ECU and the new V3 software has a REF and SYNC
> oscilloscope trace that you can look at which might tell me more.
>
> I am just finishing an install on a CDI system which may also alleviate
> things, but I think a hall sensor
> http://www.sol.co.uk/h/hugh/Ignition/Honeywell%20GT1%20hall%20sensor%202
> .pdf
> reading 18 clutch cap head bolts on the back of the fly wheel is
> probably
> the best answer.
>
> Thanks
>
> Hugh
>
>
> Interesting, this is rather different to the RB30 unit which
> has the same gaps per cylinder except tdc, I'll find my
> analyser traces somewhere - which show the pulse shape
> and number of pulses overlap to distinguish tdc from other
> cylinders. With the RB30 unit there are often reports of damage,
> unfortunately the EHT leads can lie against the CAS leads
> and any corona discharge (not a spark but a field effect) can
> impress noise on the signals - make sure you have a good
> separation between leads and check your ground connection on
> the CAS. On the RB30 unit there is an extra ground wire which
> goes to a spade on the body of the unit. it doesnt rely on the
> interface connector alone.
>
> rgds
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> At 02:20 AM 5/9/06, you wrote:
> >Here is a picture of the RB26 disc which looks pretty similar.
> >
> >http://www.sol.co.uk/h/hugh/Motec/RB26%20Trigger%20Disk.JPG
> >
> >I have a great deal of noise on my RPM trace and assume that it it
> caused
> >by cambelt harmonics probably made worse by high lift cams.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Hugh
> >
> >Just email them to me Tom, my email address should be on the
> >top of your header, if not then here  niche at iinet.net.au
> >
> >cheers
> >
> >mike
> >
> >
> >At 03:02 AM 5/6/06, you wrote:
> >>How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's
> an
> >FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's
> link
> >and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it doesn't
> come
> >through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO terms vs.
> Nissan
> >ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which identifies cylinder
> #1.  I
> >have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not fire the injectors every
> time
> >the blocked hole came around, so I know the inner ring of holes is used
> to
> >trigger the injectors.
> >>
> >>TomV
> >>
> >>Mike wrote:
> >>
> >>>Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
> >>>RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
> >>>control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal
> tdc...
> >>>
> >>>rgds
> >>>
> >>>mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an
> >Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
> >>>>2.
> >>>>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the
> crank
> >angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the
> cam
> >sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal
> >conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead
> space in
> >the ring of 360.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>John Smith1882 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>1. Do you know that for sure?
> >>>>>2. n/a
> >>>>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit
> >does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the
> >optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead
> space
> >like the #1 injector window?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
> >>>>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E
> ECU
> >and CAS
> >>>>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from
> not
> >running at all to limp-in.
> >>>>>>2. Don't know.
> >>>>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the
> >distributor.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
> >>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>Diy_efi mailing list
> >>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Regards from
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Mike Massen
> >>>Network Power Systems
> >>>Lab 08 9444 8961
> >>>Mb 0438 048961
> >>>Perth, Western Australia
> >>>* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
> >>>* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
> >>>* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
> >>>* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk,
> the
> >best
> >>> oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
> >>>Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Diy_efi mailing list
> >>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >
> >
> >Regards from
> >
> >
> >Mike
> >Perth, Western Australia
> >VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
> >Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
> >http://niche.iinet.net.au
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>
> Regards from
>
>
> Mike
> Perth, Western Australia
> VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
> Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
> http://niche.iinet.net.au
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'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu  Wed May 10 16:06:12 2006
From: torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_Forsman?=)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:06:12 +0200
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
In-Reply-To: <F678111360EA814F928E9AC446C8925C77C836@ORLA205A.ww007.siemens.net>
References: <F678111360EA814F928E9AC446C8925C77C836@ORLA205A.ww007.siemens.net>
Message-ID: <446255C4.5000009@gengas.nu>

Please note that the limit of 3600 rpm only is a test condition for the 
datasheet and that it is referred to the "reference target". Worst case 
of those dimensions would be a wheel with 102 mm diameter and 25 teeth, 
this will give an output signal of 1,5 kHz at 3600 rpm.
In most cases, with those teeth or notches that are used in practice, a 
such sensor should perform well at much higher rpms.
The minimum tooth width of 2,54 mm would give a pulse width of about 130 
us at 3600 rpm of the reference target. A good idea would be to design 
the teeth so that the pulse width at maximum rpm always is more than 130 
us. Or, as an alternative, obtain a sample of the sensor, make som test 
wheels and try them out in a lathe or bench drill!

Best regards

Torbj?rn Forsman

Holt, Brent D PE431 wrote:
> Hi Hugh,
> 	I'm a newbie in the group... Just looking into doing some custom
> EFI set-ups for your typical junkyard turbo systems... Name is Brent.
> 
> Anyway, I noticed on the spec sheet you attached that the sensor's max
> RPM is 3600. How do you plan to account for such a low rev? 
> 
> -Brent 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]
> On Behalf Of hugh at sol.co.uk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:13 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Thanks for your comments.
> 
> The RB26 has a coil on plug set-up so plug lead interference is not an
> issue - although interference might be coming from somewhere else.
> 
> I will check the ground.
> 
> I have an M600 Motec ECU and the new V3 software has a REF and SYNC
> oscilloscope trace that you can look at which might tell me more.
> 
> I am just finishing an install on a CDI system which may also alleviate
> things, but I think a hall sensor
> http://www.sol.co.uk/h/hugh/Ignition/Honeywell%20GT1%20hall%20sensor%202
> .pdf
> reading 18 clutch cap head bolts on the back of the fly wheel is
> probably
> the best answer.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Hugh
> 
> 
> Interesting, this is rather different to the RB30 unit which
> has the same gaps per cylinder except tdc, I'll find my
> analyser traces somewhere - which show the pulse shape
> and number of pulses overlap to distinguish tdc from other
> cylinders. With the RB30 unit there are often reports of damage,
> unfortunately the EHT leads can lie against the CAS leads
> and any corona discharge (not a spark but a field effect) can
> impress noise on the signals - make sure you have a good
> separation between leads and check your ground connection on
> the CAS. On the RB30 unit there is an extra ground wire which
> goes to a spade on the body of the unit. it doesnt rely on the
> interface connector alone.
> 
> rgds
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> At 02:20 AM 5/9/06, you wrote:
> 
>>Here is a picture of the RB26 disc which looks pretty similar.
>>
>>http://www.sol.co.uk/h/hugh/Motec/RB26%20Trigger%20Disk.JPG
>>
>>I have a great deal of noise on my RPM trace and assume that it it
> 
> caused
> 
>>by cambelt harmonics probably made worse by high lift cams.
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Hugh
>>
>>Just email them to me Tom, my email address should be on the
>>top of your header, if not then here  niche at iinet.net.au
>>
>>cheers
>>
>>mike
>>
>>
>>At 03:02 AM 5/6/06, you wrote:
>>
>>>How to mail a pic? I assume attachments will be stripped, so there's
> 
> an
> 
>>FTP somewhere?  I just took pics, not awesome ones, but between John's
> 
> link
> 
>>and the pics, some useful info should be gleaned.  In case it doesn't
> 
> come
> 
>>through, there is a fat slit in the CMP (sorry for the ISO terms vs.
> 
> Nissan
> 
>>ones, it's a habit!) portion of the wheel, which identifies cylinder
> 
> #1.  I
> 
>>have had an oil-fouled interrupter plate not fire the injectors every
> 
> time
> 
>>the blocked hole came around, so I know the inner ring of holes is used
> 
> to
> 
>>trigger the injectors.
>>
>>>TomV
>>>
>>>Mike wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Suggest email us a picture, because this sounds so much like the
>>>>RB30 CAS and I have done a study of that one, there is no cam
>>>>control but there are two lots of pulses which overlap to signal
> 
> tdc...
> 
>>>>rgds
>>>>
>>>>mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 12:00 AM 5/5/06, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>1. Yup.  Fought one for a while; dealt with the same problem on an
>>
>>Altima, and similar problems on the VG30 which has the same setup.
>>
>>>>>2.
>>>>>3.  No extra or missing slits; the 360 slits are actually for the
> 
> crank
> 
>>angle sensor and the four slits, spaced inboard of those, are for the
> 
> cam
> 
>>sensor (cylinder ID,) with one being wider then the others.  The signal
>>conditioner makes the outputs into square waves.  There is no dead
> 
> space in
> 
>>the ring of 360.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>John Smith1882 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>1. Do you know that for sure?
>>>>>>2. n/a
>>>>>>3. I know all about the sensor except what the conditioning circuit
>>
>>does. Does it just "clean up" the rounded square wave signal from the
>>optical sensors, or something else? On the 360 slots, is there a dead
> 
> space
> 
>>like the #1 injector window?
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Date: Wed Apr 26 15:48:43 CDT 2006
>>>>>>>From: Tom Visel five10man at commspeed.net Subject: RE:Nissan KA24E
> 
> ECU
> 
>>and CAS
>>
>>>>>>>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1. ECU will get all sorts of stupid without CAS.  Anything from
> 
> not
> 
>>running at all to limp-in.
>>
>>>>>>>2. Don't know.
>>>>>>>3. 360 slots, photocoupler-read, conditioning circuit inside the
>>
>>distributor.
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From jlg-sep at comcast.net  Wed May 10 19:16:42 2006
From: jlg-sep at comcast.net (Scott Peitzsch)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:16:42 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
References: <F678111360EA814F928E9AC446C8925C77C836@ORLA205A.ww007.siemens.net>
	<446255C4.5000009@gengas.nu>
Message-ID: <001401c67490$2e916130$6601a8c0@HPDESKTOP>

Not to state the obvious, but if its a cam sensor, won't it be turning
at half the engine speed?  Meaning, its good to 7200RPM at the
crank?  Or, is this an OHC motor with cams that are geared 1:1
to the crank?  I'm an SBC/BBC guy, so my knowledge of ANYTHING
with overhead cams is just about nil.

-Scott

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Torbj?rn Forsman" <torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS


> Please note that the limit of 3600 rpm only is a test condition for the 
> datasheet and that it is referred to the "reference target". Worst case of 
> those dimensions would be a wheel with 102 mm diameter and 25 teeth, this 
> will give an output signal of 1,5 kHz at 3600 rpm.
> In most cases, with those teeth or notches that are used in practice, a 
> such sensor should perform well at much higher rpms.
> The minimum tooth width of 2,54 mm would give a pulse width of about 130 
> us at 3600 rpm of the reference target. A good idea would be to design the 
> teeth so that the pulse width at maximum rpm always is more than 130 us. 
> Or, as an alternative, obtain a sample of the sensor, make som test wheels 
> and try them out in a lathe or bench drill!
>
> Best regards
>
> Torbj?rn Forsman
>
> Holt, Brent D PE431 wrote:
>> Hi Hugh,
>> I'm a newbie in the group... Just looking into doing some custom
>> EFI set-ups for your typical junkyard turbo systems... Name is Brent.
>>
>> Anyway, I noticed on the spec sheet you attached that the sensor's max
>> RPM is 3600. How do you plan to account for such a low rev? -Brent



From airhawk at hawkgt.net  Wed May 10 22:38:11 2006
From: airhawk at hawkgt.net (The AirHawk)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:38:11 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
References: <F678111360EA814F928E9AC446C8925C77C836@ORLA205A.ww007.siemens.net><446255C4.5000009@gengas.nu>
	<001401c67490$2e916130$6601a8c0@HPDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <007901c674ac$5badedc0$0202a8c0@MajorDisaster>

> Not to state the obvious, but if its a cam sensor, won't it be turning
> at half the engine speed?  Meaning, its good to 7200RPM at the
> crank?  Or, is this an OHC motor with cams that are geared 1:1
> to the crank?  I'm an SBC/BBC guy, so my knowledge of ANYTHING
> with overhead cams is just about nil.
> 
> -Scott

Cams still rotate at .5 of Crankshaft RPM. Give or take.    ;^D

-Scott C.







From donsauman at cythera.net  Thu May 11 05:52:47 2006
From: donsauman at cythera.net (Don Sauman)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:52:47 +0800
Subject: [Diy_efi] Volvo EFI problem
In-Reply-To: <bedc2dea0605101141p111f799elc3a7dabfc8d5a94a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F678111360EA814F928E9AC446C8925C77C836@ORLA205A.ww007.siemens.net>
	<bedc2dea0605101141p111f799elc3a7dabfc8d5a94a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4463177F.50408@cythera.net>

My Volvo 760 GLE with a Motronics EFI system has developed a problem, 
coincidentally right after a service  at a repair facility, The vehicle 
is switchable between petrol and LPG. while idling with no load it will 
suddenly drop in revs and then pick up again. It will continue to do 
this on an irregular basis but is okay while being driven.

Any thoughts please. I won't take it back or I will be paying for them 
to guess a repair.

Thanks
Don

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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 05:55:53 2006
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 06:55:53 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:08:53 2006
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:11:54 2006
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Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:14:53 2006
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:14:53 -0400
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:19:53 2006
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:23:53 2006
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:26:52 2006
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:30:54 2006
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:35:58 2006
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:40:52 2006
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Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:40:52 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:51:55 2006
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:55:52 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:55:52 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF9842E447.6D7C3B44-ON8525716B.00418A5B-8525716B.00418A5B@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 06:58:52 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:58:52 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFD64CD612.7A6BEA00-ON8525716B.0041D0BE-8525716B.0041D0BE@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 07:03:52 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:03:52 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF5B3FD277.0E5DFDF7-ON8525716B.004245FF-8525716B.004245FF@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 07:06:56 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:06:56 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF7FBF2096.FB15E62E-ON8525716B.00428DE1-8525716B.00428DE1@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 07:10:52 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:10:52 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF049E491B.73975BCA-ON8525716B.0042EA03-8525716B.0042EA03@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 07:18:53 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:18:53 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF018E3557.9D96B51F-ON8525716B.0043A5AF-8525716B.0043A5AF@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 07:28:54 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:28:54 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFCC6205E5.621D6907-ON8525716B.00449095-8525716B.00449095@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 07:35:05 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:35:05 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFD04120C6.7CAD9A55-ON8525716B.0045218A-8525716B.0045218A@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 07:38:53 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:38:53 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF2503E936.7663DE96-ON8525716B.00457A86-8525716B.00457A86@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 07:48:54 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:48:54 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF79BD82A0.D00D366D-ON8525716B.0046654D-8525716B.0046654D@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain
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distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited.  If you
received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 07:55:01 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:55:01 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFB38DDDBE.7847523D-ON8525716B.0046F496-8525716B.0046F496@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain
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recipient, your use, forwarding, printing, storing, disseminating,
distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited.  If you
received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
by replying to this message and delete it from your computer.



From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 08:00:54 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:00:54 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF4A86DFCF.4567D297-ON8525716B.00477E73-8525716B.00477E73@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain
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distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited.  If you
received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
by replying to this message and delete it from your computer.



From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 08:03:54 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:03:54 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFA6D3EF86.1B3B0263-ON8525716B.0047C4FC-8525716B.0047C4FC@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
by replying to this message and delete it from your computer.



From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 08:11:54 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:11:54 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFF0796BE7.23963FB1-ON8525716B.0048806A-8525716B.0048806A@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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recipient, your use, forwarding, printing, storing, disseminating,
distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited.  If you
received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
by replying to this message and delete it from your computer.



From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 08:18:03 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:18:03 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFDE89183C.2426A41B-ON8525716B.00491094-8525716B.00491094@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain
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recipient, your use, forwarding, printing, storing, disseminating,
distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited.  If you
received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
by replying to this message and delete it from your computer.



From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 08:22:54 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:22:54 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFDCDC5955.8A23A301-ON8525716B.00498240-8525716B.00498240@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain
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recipient, your use, forwarding, printing, storing, disseminating,
distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited.  If you
received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
by replying to this message and delete it from your computer.



From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 08:38:08 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:38:08 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF62FFA5D7.2B360849-ON8525716B.004AE73F-8525716B.004AE73F@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
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received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
by replying to this message and delete it from your computer.



From teamblitz01 at voyager.net  Thu May 11 08:46:36 2006
From: teamblitz01 at voyager.net (blitz@teamblitz.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:46:36 -0400
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is
	out of the office.
Message-ID: <200605111346.k4BDkbnD059487@mail2.mx.voyager.net>

GREAT GLAD ABOUT YER KID. BUT WE'RE NOT RELISHING YOUR SPAM UNTIL 5-29. DE-LIST THIS F-NUT, MR. ADMIN! I've already gotten 40+ notices *this morning* about his big snooze. Pull the plug. Toss the key! Thank you!

I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
> 05/29/2006.
> 
> I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.
> 
> Please contact the following people for assistance:
> 
> A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
> Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
> NMHG: Scott Files
> Terex: Damon Chandler
> All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker
> 
> Thank-you!
> _____________
> This e-mail transmission and any attachments to it are intended solely for
> the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain
> confidential and privileged information.  If you are not the intended
> recipient, your use, forwarding, printing, storing, disseminating,
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> received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
> by replying to this message and delete it from your computer.
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 08:43:54 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:43:54 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF4C610A71.71E1DB6A-ON8525716B.004B6E45-8525716B.004B6E45@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
This e-mail transmission and any attachments to it are intended solely for
the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain
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received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 08:58:55 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:58:55 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF86020A8C.94048FFB-ON8525716B.004CCE22-8525716B.004CCE22@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
_____________
This e-mail transmission and any attachments to it are intended solely for
the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain
confidential and privileged information.  If you are not the intended
recipient, your use, forwarding, printing, storing, disseminating,
distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited.  If you
received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately
by replying to this message and delete it from your computer.



From james.d.ulmer at usps.gov  Thu May 11 09:04:43 2006
From: james.d.ulmer at usps.gov (Ulmer, James D - Denver, CO)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:04:43 -0500
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins
	isout of the office.
Message-ID: <11C99472FAC536408B55E5E30924AB2D03CA3957@EAGNMNSXM18>

PITA, I agree but until it gets straightened out, it only took me less
than a minute in Outlook to make a rule to delete it all.

Big Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]
On
> Behalf Of blitz at teamblitz.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:47 AM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K
Kete/Corp/Cummins
> isout of the office.
> 
> GREAT GLAD ABOUT YER KID. BUT WE'RE NOT RELISHING YOUR SPAM UNTIL
5-29.
> DE-LIST THIS F-NUT, MR. ADMIN! I've already gotten 40+ notices *this
> morning* about his big snooze. Pull the plug. Toss the key! Thank you!


From airhawk at hawkgt.net  Thu May 11 09:05:41 2006
From: airhawk at hawkgt.net (The AirHawk)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:05:41 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Re: Volvo EFI problem
References: <F678111360EA814F928E9AC446C8925C77C836@ORLA205A.ww007.siemens.net><bedc2dea0605101141p111f799elc3a7dabfc8d5a94a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4463177F.50408@cythera.net>
Message-ID: <002a01c67504$03f8bdf0$0202a8c0@MajorDisaster>

Sounds like a small air leak at the throttle body or air-bypass. The leak is enough to cause the 
engine to "surge" up and down, as the idle control tries to cope furiously with it. Don't know about 
Volvos, but this is a common problem on 1st and 2nd - generation Mitsu Eclipses. On those cars, it's 
usually a $.09 O-ring. I've heard of guys being charged hundreds by the Dealer to diagnose this 
problem, and *still* the Dealer couldn't figure it out.

-Scott


> My Volvo 760 GLE with a Motronics EFI system has developed a problem, coincidentally right after a 
> service  at a repair facility, The vehicle is switchable between petrol and LPG. while idling with 
> no load it will suddenly drop in revs and then pick up again. It will continue to do this on an 
> irregular basis but is okay while being driven.
>
> Any thoughts please. I won't take it back or I will be paying for them to guess a repair.
>
> Thanks
> Don




From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 09:12:53 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:12:53 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF578B61E5.C59EA1D9-ON8525716B.004E15D5-8525716B.004E15D5@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

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From buckwill33 at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 09:18:12 2006
From: buckwill33 at hotmail.com (Buck Williams)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:18:12 -0600
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS
Message-ID: <BAY103-W8B12843A2F3923DBEF420CEAF0@phx.gbl>

iff itss a four strokeee engiane , the cam will alwalys turn half crankshaaaaaft rpm, buck

> From: jlg-sep at comcast.net> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:16:42 -0400> > Not to state the obvious, but if its a cam sensor, won't it be turning> at half the engine speed?  Meaning, its good to 7200RPM at the> crank?  Or, is this an OHC motor with cams that are geared 1:1> to the crank?  I'm an SBC/BBC guy, so my knowledge of ANYTHING> with overhead cams is just about nil.> > -Scott> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Torbj?rn Forsman" <torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu>> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:06 PM> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE: Nissan KA24E ECU and CAS> > > > Please note that the limit of 3600 rpm only is a test condition for the > > datasheet and that it is referred to the "reference target". Worst case of > > those dimensions would be a wheel with 102 mm diameter and 25 teeth, this > > will give an output signal of 1,5 kHz at 3600 rpm.> > In most cases, with those teeth or notches that are used in practice, a > > such sensor should perform well at much higher rpms.> > The minimum tooth width of 2,54 mm would give a pulse width of about 130 > > us at 3600 rpm of the reference target. A good idea would be to design the > > teeth so that the pulse width at maximum rpm always is more than 130 us. > > Or, as an alternative, obtain a sample of the sensor, make som test wheels > > and try them out in a lathe or bench drill!> >> > Best regards> >> > Torbj?rn Forsman> >> > Holt, Brent D PE431 wrote:> >> Hi Hugh,> >> I'm a newbie in the group... Just looking into doing some custom> >> EFI set-ups for your typical junkyard turbo systems... Name is Brent.> >>> >> Anyway, I noticed on the spec sheet you attached that the sensor's max> >> RPM is 3600. How do you plan to account for such a low rev? -Brent> > _______________________________________________> Diy_efi mailing list> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi

From gas- at charter.net  Thu May 11 09:20:08 2006
From: gas- at charter.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:20:08 -0500
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins
	isout of the office.
References: <200605111346.k4BDkbnD059487@mail2.mx.voyager.net>
Message-ID: <001601c67506$01d09be0$34147544@homedesktop>

Gee, the guy is just making sure you got the message. ;)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "blitz at teamblitz.com" <teamblitz01 at voyager.net>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins 
isout of the office.


> GREAT GLAD ABOUT YER KID. BUT WE'RE NOT RELISHING
>YOUR SPAM UNTIL 5-29. DE-LIST THIS F-NUT, MR. ADMIN!
> I've already gotten 40+ notices *this morning* about his big snooze.
> Pull the plug. Toss the key! Thank you! 


From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 09:20:52 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:20:52 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFD8817CCB.6C592D36-ON8525716B.004ED0B0-8525716B.004ED0B0@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 09:26:12 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:26:12 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF556200AB.2C75F733-ON8525716B.004F4DAC-8525716B.004F4DAC@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 09:32:52 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:32:52 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF220F6D83.FBE1171F-ON8525716B.004FE9F2-8525716B.004FE9F2@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 09:41:56 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:41:56 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF955C8D2F.2DFDD88C-ON8525716B.0050BEAF-8525716B.0050BEB0@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
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From spyro at f2s.com  Thu May 11 09:44:34 2006
From: spyro at f2s.com (Ian Molton)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:44:34 +0100
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins
	isout of the office.
In-Reply-To: <11C99472FAC536408B55E5E30924AB2D03CA3957@EAGNMNSXM18>
References: <11C99472FAC536408B55E5E30924AB2D03CA3957@EAGNMNSXM18>
Message-ID: <44634DD2.40307@f2s.com>

Ulmer, James D - Denver, CO wrote:
> PITA, I agree but until it gets straightened out, it only took me less
> than a minute in Outlook to make a rule to delete it all.

Thats not the point. its antisocial. the guy should be unsubscribed and 
told why. he can re sub if he likes but he needs to be told in no 
uncertain terms not to do it again IMHO.


From teamblitz01 at voyager.net  Thu May 11 09:46:39 2006
From: teamblitz01 at voyager.net (blitz@teamblitz.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:46:39 -0400
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins
	isout of the office.
Message-ID: <200605111446.k4BEkeOV090363@mail2.mx.voyager.net>

<smile> The whole metro-sexual-ness of Daddy maternity leave is sooooo advanced and "smart" too. I'm glad I got the memo. LOL, Norm

Gee, the guy is just making sure you got the message. ;)
Gary


From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 09:47:16 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:47:16 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF4921B76F.DA8247C0-ON8525716B.00513BB1-8525716B.00513BB1@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
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From jimbutterfield at yahoo.com  Thu May 11 09:48:27 2006
From: jimbutterfield at yahoo.com (Jim Butterfield)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:48:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins
	isout of the office.
In-Reply-To: <11C99472FAC536408B55E5E30924AB2D03CA3957@EAGNMNSXM18>
Message-ID: <20060511144827.75651.qmail@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

not everyone uses outlook, some use cheese eamils. He should be sent an email and delisted
   
  jim

"Ulmer, James D - Denver, CO" <james.d.ulmer at usps.gov> wrote:
  PITA, I agree but until it gets straightened out, it only took me less
than a minute in Outlook to make a rule to delete it all.

Big Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]
On
> Behalf Of blitz at teamblitz.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:47 AM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K
Kete/Corp/Cummins
> isout of the office.
> 
> GREAT GLAD ABOUT YER KID. BUT WE'RE NOT RELISHING YOUR SPAM UNTIL
5-29.
> DE-LIST THIS F-NUT, MR. ADMIN! I've already gotten 40+ notices *this
> morning* about his big snooze. Pull the plug. Toss the key! Thank you!
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 09:51:52 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:51:52 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF6EC7CEA4.35CAF7F3-ON8525716B.0051A75E-8525716B.0051A75E@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 09:58:52 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:58:52 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF48357263.BF160628-ON8525716B.00524B7A-8525716B.00524B7C@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 10:04:29 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:04:29 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFD57F2374.A5388F37-ON8525716B.0052CF1C-8525716B.0052CF1C@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 10:14:57 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:14:57 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF92054024.774A1A1D-ON8525716B.0053C467-8525716B.0053C468@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
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From hoptona at gmail.com  Thu May 11 10:16:39 2006
From: hoptona at gmail.com (Andrew Hopton)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:46:39 +0930
Subject: [Diy_efi] Gas fuel injector on ABC TV Australia
In-Reply-To: <44608506.9070006@jacomms.com>
References: <380-22006518182012419@M2W075.mail2web.com>	<6.2.3.4.0.20060509130601.02c797f0@203.0.178.192>	<6.2.3.4.0.20060509132302.02cd4420@203.0.178.192>
	<44608506.9070006@jacomms.com>
Message-ID: <44635557.7000707@gmail.com>

Why couldn't LPG just be injected in liquid form, like petrol?
Wouldn't it vaporise more readily than petrol (in the manifold) because 
it's boiling point is lower?
Would LPG tank pressure be high enough to do without a pump?


Justin Albury wrote:
> these injectors work really well.  my twin turbo v6 loves em!!!
> 
> justin
> 
> 
> 
> Mike wrote:
> 
>> Funny, the link didnt turn up, here it is <sigh>:-
>>
>> http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1345083.htm
>>
>>
>> At 01:06 PM 5/9/06, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Regards from
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Massen
>>> Network Power Systems
>>> Lab 08 9444 8961
>>> Mb 0438 048961
>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>> * VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>> * Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>>> * Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>> * Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, 
>>> the best
>>>  oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>>> Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
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>>
>>
>> Regards from
>>
>>
>> Mike
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>> Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 10:19:58 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:19:58 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF2EE91797.A6426453-ON8525716B.00543A09-8525716B.00543A09@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 10:33:54 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:33:54 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF02DE8F80.D76063F3-ON8525716B.00558070-8525716B.00558070@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
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From christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com  Thu May 11 10:36:55 2006
From: christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com (christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:36:55 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF39571C71.4011101B-ON8525716B.0055C70C-8525716B.0055C70C@notes.cummins.com>


I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
05/29/2006.

I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.

Please contact the following people for assistance:

A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
NMHG: Scott Files
Terex: Damon Chandler
All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker

Thank-you!
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From joevitek at cfl.rr.com  Thu May 11 10:38:58 2006
From: joevitek at cfl.rr.com (Joe Vitek)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:38:58 -0400
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K
	Kete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.
In-Reply-To: <20060511144827.75651.qmail@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200605111539.k4BFcxd0027744@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com>

You know that every new person to post will reap another response from his email server...

Uh oh, I just got another one!!... ;)




From gas- at charter.net  Thu May 11 10:56:38 2006
From: gas- at charter.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:56:38 -0500
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K
	Kete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.
References: <11C99472FAC536408B55E5E30924AB2D03CA3957@EAGNMNSXM18>
	<44634DD2.40307@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <007001c67513$7d06bda0$34147544@homedesktop>

No need to fret guys. Chris will straighten it out on the 29th.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Molton" <spyro at f2s.com>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K 
Kete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.
a minute in Outlook to make a rule to delete it all.
>
> Thats not the point. its antisocial. the guy should be unsubscribed and 
> told why. he can re sub if he likes but he needs to be told in no 
> uncertain terms not to do it again IMHO. 


From ebuckler at icehouse.net  Thu May 11 11:06:00 2006
From: ebuckler at icehouse.net (Ernest Buckler)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:06:00 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.
References: <OF4921B76F.DA8247C0-ON8525716B.00513BB1-8525716B.00513BB1@notes.cummins.com>
Message-ID: <017901c67514$cbab1360$0300a8c0@clive>

Thanks, jerk, for loading inboxes with thousands of your OOTO messages all
over the country.  I don't even know you, or have any reason to recieve your
several hundred messages to delete!  Bah.
EB

----- Original Message -----
From: <christopher.k.kete at Cummins.com>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:47 AM
Subject: [Diy_efi] Christopher K Kete/Corp/Cummins is out of the office.


>
> I will be out of the office starting  05/11/2006 and will not return until
> 05/29/2006.
>
> I am out of the office for the arrival of my newborn son.
>
> Please contact the following people for assistance:
>
> A-Series and B3.3: Michael Gulbraa
> Best Value 4B: Rogerio Paiva
> NMHG: Scott Files
> Terex: Damon Chandler
> All other inquires and Emergencies: Irene Baker
>
> Thank-you!
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From james.d.ulmer at usps.gov  Thu May 11 11:06:01 2006
From: james.d.ulmer at usps.gov (Ulmer, James D - Denver, CO)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:06:01 -0500
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K
	Kete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.
Message-ID: <11C99472FAC536408B55E5E30924AB2D03CA3966@EAGNMNSXM18>

I'm not disputing the guy made a stupid mistake and should be turned off
just to save bandwidth. It was just faster for me to make a rule than
delete his string of messages. 
Complain to the Admin: YES! Save yourself hassles: Yes, also.

Big Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]
On
> Behalf Of Ian Molton
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:45 AM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher K
> Kete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.
> 
> Ulmer, James D - Denver, CO wrote:
> > PITA, I agree but until it gets straightened out, it only took me
less
> > than a minute in Outlook to make a rule to delete it all.
> 
> Thats not the point. its antisocial. the guy should be unsubscribed
and
> told why. he can re sub if he likes but he needs to be told in no
> uncertain terms not to do it again IMHO.
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From Steve.Ravet at arm.com  Thu May 11 11:13:45 2006
From: Steve.Ravet at arm.com (Steve Ravet)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:13:45 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] ARM based microcontroller board
Message-ID: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F5666F@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>

I just found about MAKE magazine (www.makezine.com).  They have designed
and built an ARM based microcontroller board that I thought people might
be interested in for simple EFI or other uses.  GNU development software
is available for it, and it supports ethernet, USB, SPI, CAN and serial,
plus digital and analog I/O, H drivers, etc. etc.

http://makezine.com/controller/

--steve


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From Steve.Ravet at arm.com  Thu May 11 11:15:46 2006
From: Steve.Ravet at arm.com (Steve Ravet)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:15:46 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] out of office emails
Message-ID: <DBB2E4C4173F1749B6C7434140611783F56673@NASDAQ.usa.Arm.com>

The problem should be taken care of.  I'll keep an eye on it.

--steve


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From vlm at te-motorworks.com  Thu May 11 12:29:02 2006
From: vlm at te-motorworks.com (Vincent Marshall)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:29:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Diy_efi] Re: Diy_efi Digest, Vol 15, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <200605111716.k4BHGFVV028736@neptun.eroute.net>
References: <200605111716.k4BHGFVV028736@neptun.eroute.net>
Message-ID: <50023.70.20.149.130.1147368542.squirrel@www.te-motorworks.com>

I'm generally a lurker so perhaps this is silly to make one of my few
posts on something off topic, but ... The below suggestion is really not
an appropriate response.

'Vacation' type auto responses should be logging addresses to which they
have already auto-responded, ensuring everyone only gets one copy of the
message, but are quite commonly broken.

Mailing list programs like the one this group uses set the reply-to header
to the address of the list rather than the address of the original sender,
which is not necessarily correct.

So...these things happen, but it doesn't seem that booting the man from
the list is exactly the right thing to do.  Is the list administrator
around?  Can his account be put on hold?

-Vin

> not everyone uses outlook, some use cheese eamils. He should be sent an
> email and delisted
>
>   jim



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From joevitek at cfl.rr.com  Thu May 11 11:53:17 2006
From: joevitek at cfl.rr.com (Joe Vitek)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:53:17 -0400
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher
	KKete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.
In-Reply-To: <007001c67513$7d06bda0$34147544@homedesktop>
Message-ID: <200605111653.k4BGrHsw012949@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com>

> No need to fret guys. Chris will straighten it out on the 29th.

Well, at least he is getting a repeat of all of them too. He will see all of his "out of
office" replies that ended up on the list when he gets back and will never forget to unsub
next time he is "out of office". Of course, ADMIN unsubbing of his subscription would be
nicer for us who are on the real time list as opposed to the digest...

:D

--
joe




From five10man at commspeed.net  Thu May 11 13:14:40 2006
From: five10man at commspeed.net (Tom Visel)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:14:40 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] Mr. Spam-o-rama
Message-ID: <44637F10.3080608@commspeed.net>

I just called Cummins, Inc.'s IT dept. and spoke with "Sonny" (sp?) from 
somewhere in outsource-land.  It took a bit of convincing, but he says 
he will do what it takes to get this to stop.  Apparently there is a 
feedback loop: Happy Daddy's autoresponder responds to its own posts to 
the list, perpetuating the problem and soaking up bandwidth.

HTH!
TomV


From brent.holt at siemens.com  Thu May 11 14:58:48 2006
From: brent.holt at siemens.com (Holt, Brent D  PE431)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:58:48 -0400
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi]
	ChristopherKKete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.
Message-ID: <F678111360EA814F928E9AC446C8925C77C83E@ORLA205A.ww007.siemens.net>

Hey Joe...
I noticed your email addy, namely: ...cfl.rr.com...

Where in central Florida are you located? I'm over by Oviedo/UCF area.

-Brent 

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]
On Behalf Of Joe Vitek
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:53 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: RE: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi]
ChristopherKKete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.

> No need to fret guys. Chris will straighten it out on the 29th.

Well, at least he is getting a repeat of all of them too. He will see
all of his "out of
office" replies that ended up on the list when he gets back and will
never forget to unsub
next time he is "out of office". Of course, ADMIN unsubbing of his
subscription would be
nicer for us who are on the real time list as opposed to the digest...

:D

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From joevitek at cfl.rr.com  Thu May 11 15:09:38 2006
From: joevitek at cfl.rr.com (Joe Vitek)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:38 -0400
Subject: Central Florida (was RE: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re:
	[Diy_efi]ChristopherKKete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.)
In-Reply-To: <F678111360EA814F928E9AC446C8925C77C83E@ORLA205A.ww007.siemens.net>
Message-ID: <200605112009.k4BK9csm010302@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com>

> Hey Joe...
> I noticed your email addy, namely: ...cfl.rr.com...
> 
> Where in central Florida are you located? I'm over by Oviedo/UCF area.

I am in Cocoa... I wonder who else on the list here is in central Florida. Roll call?

I rarely post, but I am on the real time list. I have yet to get my GM ECM project on my
Olds big block. I have a carb on it, but it is just the chassis right now. Once the car
gets all back together and running nicely (bugs worked out), I will dive into the EFI
project.

Here is my build website:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/joevitek/Motorized_Projects/HO_kit/index.htm

I graduated from UCF in '94 and used to live right there off Alafaya. Still have friends
over there with whom I visit often. Maybe a central Florida get together would be in
order...

--
joe




From stuartghall at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 16:45:20 2006
From: stuartghall at hotmail.com (Stuart Hall)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:45:20 +1000
Subject: [Diy_efi] Gas fuel injector on ABC TV Australia
In-Reply-To: <BAY0-MC3-F59bup7dWn0001af79@bay0-mc3-f5.bay0.hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-F3442FE942295ACDB8BFABBB4AF0@phx.gbl>

Hey Justin, What engine is your twin turbo V6?? aany other details you can 
give us on how well the system works? Ive been thinking about converting a 
non turbo Z32 300ZX over to LPG...

cheers, Stu



Justin Albury wrote:
>these injectors work really well.  my twin turbo v6 loves em!!!
>
>justin
>
>
>
>Mike wrote:
>
>>Funny, the link didnt turn up, here it is <sigh>:-
>>
>>http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1345083.htm
>>
>>
>>At 01:06 PM 5/9/06, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Regards from
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike Massen
>>>Network Power Systems
>>>Lab 08 9444 8961
>>>Mb 0438 048961
>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>>>* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the 
>>>best
>>>  oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>>>Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards from
>>
>>
>>Mike
>>Perth, Western Australia
>>VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>_______________________________________________
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>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>
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From Head2Wind at gmail.com  Thu May 11 17:13:36 2006
From: Head2Wind at gmail.com (KN)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:13:36 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] Gas fuel injector on ABC TV Australia
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-F3442FE942295ACDB8BFABBB4AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005301c67548$25f50eb0$09282786@mv.skagit.edu>

I sent an email to Bill Campbell and what I got back was that those of us in
the USA where pretty much out of luck.  He said that the retail version is
yet to be completed, so nothing for sale to the consumer. If there are any
other systems out there that are similar or there is a way to get Bill's GTi
system via a AUS buyer please let me know.  I would really like to get a LPG
system set up on my MegaSquirted BMW

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Hall
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:45 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Gas fuel injector on ABC TV Australia

Hey Justin, What engine is your twin turbo V6?? aany other details you can 
give us on how well the system works? Ive been thinking about converting a 
non turbo Z32 300ZX over to LPG...

cheers, Stu



Justin Albury wrote:
>these injectors work really well.  my twin turbo v6 loves em!!!
>
>justin
>
>
>
>Mike wrote:
>
>>Funny, the link didnt turn up, here it is <sigh>:-
>>
>>http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1345083.htm
>>
>>
>>At 01:06 PM 5/9/06, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Regards from
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike Massen
>>>Network Power Systems
>>>Lab 08 9444 8961
>>>Mb 0438 048961
>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>* VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>* Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>>>* Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>* Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the 
>>>best
>>>  oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
>>>Web site under construction   http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards from
>>
>>
>>Mike
>>Perth, Western Australia
>>VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>_______________________________________________
>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>
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From pparaska at comcast.net  Thu May 11 17:26:54 2006
From: pparaska at comcast.net (Pete Paraska)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:26:54 -0400
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher
	KKete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20060511182223.03ac7a40@mail.comcast.net>

At 05:34 PM 5/11/2006 +0000, you wrote:
> > No need to fret guys. Chris will straighten it out on the 29th.
>
>Well, at least he is getting a repeat of all of them too. He will see all 
>of his "out of
>office" replies that ended up on the list when he gets back and will never 
>forget to unsub
>next time he is "out of office". Of course, ADMIN unsubbing of his 
>subscription would be
>nicer for us who are on the real time list as opposed to the digest...
>
>:D
>
>--
>joe

Well, don't think this isn't annoying for those of us on the digest either.
At least I got to actually delete one entire digest because the only thing
in it were his OoO messages.  I personally archive most lists I'm on,
especially digests.  Taking up disc space with digests with 90% OoO
messages from one guy is a bit annoying.  And a filter won't work
for a digest receiver either, as the entire digest will hit the bit bucket,
where it might also include messages I want to read, like the one
about the MakeZine.com article.
Pete



From pparaska at comcast.net  Thu May 11 18:07:23 2006
From: pparaska at comcast.net (Pete Paraska)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:07:23 -0400
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher
	KKete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20060511182721.03a31f10@mail.comcast.net>

  Another issue is that using a work email address is a bit silly, IMO.
Most companies frown on using company email for such personal
uses.  It clogs their servers, etc.  And with yahoo and so many other
free email accounts available there's really no excuse to use work
email for personal use, IMO.
As Christopher now realizes that using work email account
for a mail list, while using a mail program like Outlook with an OoO
function is wrought with problems.  I'm pretty sure he'll feel worse
than anyone on the list for what's happened.
Pete



From jimbutterfield at yahoo.com  Thu May 11 19:06:49 2006
From: jimbutterfield at yahoo.com (Jim Butterfield)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OH ADMIN! Woo-Hoo? Re: [Diy_efi] Christopher
	KKete/Corp/Cumminsisout of the office.
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20060511182721.03a31f10@mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20060512000649.63340.qmail@web36715.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

YUP Yup... my work frowns on company email for personal use... so Ive had a yahoo email for personal... ( it actually started in the old dial up days when I would bounce around to who ever had the best connection rate.... so id go thru a new ISP every 2 mo0nths.... ) but employers dont mind you using www connection as long as your work gets done, and it wont clog there servers either... Im sure when he gets back and sees all the hoop lah over his email, he will understand... if not ... oh well... I just hope he is enjoying the time with his newborn... :)
   
  

Pete Paraska <pparaska at comcast.net> wrote:
  Another issue is that using a work email address is a bit silly, IMO.
Most companies frown on using company email for such personal
uses. It clogs their servers, etc. And with yahoo and so many other
free email accounts available there's really no excuse to use work
email for personal use, IMO.
As Christopher now realizes that using work email account
for a mail list, while using a mail program like Outlook with an OoO
function is wrought with problems. I'm pretty sure he'll feel worse
than anyone on the list for what's happened.
Pete

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From bill.washington at nec.com.au  Thu May 11 19:19:09 2006
From: bill.washington at nec.com.au (Bill Washington)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:19:09 +1000
Subject: [Diy_efi] LPG injection
In-Reply-To: <20060511163418.750B837745@ns1.nec.com.au>
References: <20060511163418.750B837745@ns1.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <4463D47D.3070803@nec.com.au>

Andrew,
	The problem with trying to inject liquid LPG is the latent heat of vaporization 
- It sublimates - that is it goes directly from a liquid to a gas and absorbs 
enormous amounts of heat from the surroundings to do so - in other words it 
freezes everything close by including the injector - which will freeze either 
closed or open - closed and the engine stops, open and bad things happen!!!
	This approach has been tried by quite a number of people and the result, AFAIK 
has always been failure.... for this reason.
	Petrol on the other hand does not vaporise it is atomised - mechanically broken 
into very tiny droplets.

Regards
Bill



------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject:
> Re: [Diy_efi] Gas fuel injector on ABC TV Australia
> From:
> Andrew Hopton <hoptona at gmail.com>
> Date:
> Fri, 12 May 2006 00:46:39 +0930
> To:
> diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> 
> To:
> diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> 
> 
> Why couldn't LPG just be injected in liquid form, like petrol?
> Wouldn't it vaporise more readily than petrol (in the manifold) because 
> it's boiling point is lower?
> Would LPG tank pressure be high enough to do without a pump?
> 
> 
> Justin Albury wrote:
> 
>> these injectors work really well.  my twin turbo v6 loves em!!!
>>
>> justin



From chrism at cnx.net  Thu May 11 22:26:52 2006
From: chrism at cnx.net (Chris McKinnon)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:26:52 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] LPG injection
In-Reply-To: <4463D47D.3070803@nec.com.au>
References: <20060511163418.750B837745@ns1.nec.com.au>
	<20060511163418.750B837745@ns1.nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20060511202652.0136e148@cnx.net>

I keep wondering how GDI injectors would work. I'd imagine that the heat in
the combustion chamber would keep the injectors from freezing up, plus you
get all the benefits of direct injection. Too bad the injectors are kinda
pricy to play with...

OTOH the Biphase guys seemed to get liquid phase injection working. IIRC
they even had there system fitted as a factory option on Canadian Dodge B
vans in 1997 or so.

Chris

>Andrew,
>	The problem with trying to inject liquid LPG is the latent heat of
vaporization 
>- It sublimates - that is it goes directly from a liquid to a gas and
absorbs 
>enormous amounts of heat from the surroundings to do so - in other words it 
>freezes everything close by including the injector - which will freeze
either 
>closed or open - closed and the engine stops, open and bad things happen!!!
>	This approach has been tried by quite a number of people and the result,
AFAIK 
>has always been failure.... for this reason.
>	Petrol on the other hand does not vaporise it is atomised - mechanically
broken 
>into very tiny droplets.
>
>Regards
>Bill
>
>


From robertv at rvtech.com.au  Fri May 12 00:00:08 2006
From: robertv at rvtech.com.au (robertv at rvtech.com.au)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:00:08 +1000
Subject: [Diy_efi] LPG injection
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20060511202652.0136e148@cnx.net>
References: <20060511163418.750B837745@ns1.nec.com.au>
	<20060511163418.750B837745@ns1.nec.com.au>
	<3.0.6.32.20060511202652.0136e148@cnx.net>
Message-ID: <20060512150008.0dlqicwtt180s0oo@www.rvtech.com.au>

The injectors would be mounted in the manifold not the head so the chances of
freezing would still be high considering that they are mounted in rubber
grommets.

Rob
Quoting Chris McKinnon <chrism at cnx.net>:

> I keep wondering how GDI injectors would work. I'd imagine that the heat in
> the combustion chamber would keep the injectors from freezing up, plus you
> get all the benefits of direct injection. Too bad the injectors are kinda
> pricy to play with...
>
> OTOH the Biphase guys seemed to get liquid phase injection working. IIRC
> they even had there system fitted as a factory option on Canadian Dodge B
> vans in 1997 or so.
>
> Chris
>
>> Andrew,
>> 	The problem with trying to inject liquid LPG is the latent heat of
> vaporization
>> - It sublimates - that is it goes directly from a liquid to a gas and
> absorbs
>> enormous amounts of heat from the surroundings to do so - in other words it
>> freezes everything close by including the injector - which will freeze
> either
>> closed or open - closed and the engine stops, open and bad things happen!!!
>> 	This approach has been tried by quite a number of people and the result,
> AFAIK
>> has always been failure.... for this reason.
>> 	Petrol on the other hand does not vaporise it is atomised - mechanically
> broken
>> into very tiny droplets.
>>
>> Regards
>> Bill
>>
>>
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From phil at injec.com  Fri May 12 03:05:47 2006
From: phil at injec.com (Phil Lamovie)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:05:47 +1000
Subject: [Diy_efi] LPG injection
References: <20060511163418.750B837745@ns1.nec.com.au>
	<4463D47D.3070803@nec.com.au>
Message-ID: <446441DB.D6593BFC@injec.com>


Bill,

Not only is Liquid Phase LPG injection technology available, it has been
for approx. ten years.

Siemens still produces injectors and hitachi still makes the pumps.

The torque increase over petrol is approx. 15% if using port injection
about 5% more if used with direct injection.

The problems are political and not technical.

I have designed kits for Ford in Australia as well as Deutz a leading
manufacturer of diesel engines.

There is the need to manufacture fuel rails and tanks specifically for
each application and this is the biggest factor in after market sales.

As the ECU is required to compensate for a very broad range of pressures
0 -350 psi and propane/butane mixes it is a little more complicated than
the usual as well as requiring a few additional sensors.

HTH

Phil






From spyro at f2s.com  Fri May 12 05:00:27 2006
From: spyro at f2s.com (Ian Molton)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:00:27 +0100
Subject: [Diy_efi] LPG injection
In-Reply-To: <446441DB.D6593BFC@injec.com>
References: <20060511163418.750B837745@ns1.nec.com.au>	<4463D47D.3070803@nec.com.au>
	<446441DB.D6593BFC@injec.com>
Message-ID: <44645CBB.2050308@f2s.com>

Phil Lamovie wrote:

> I have designed kits for Ford in Australia as well as Deutz a leading
> manufacturer of diesel engines.

what sort of MPG increase (if any) can you get from LPG converting a 
diesel ?

I have a Daihatsu charade with the CL-61 (3 pot 1.0 turbo diesel). it 
gets 66MPG cruising and 55 odd round town (not bad IMO!). how intrusive 
would a conversion be for this engine ?

how cold do the injectors get compared to running on diesel? the one 
thing I dont want is a cracked head from meddling too much with the 
thermal parameters of the engine.

TTFN!


From glogovacs at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May 12 06:51:04 2006
From: glogovacs at yahoo.co.uk (Stevan Glogovac)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:51:04 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Diy_efi] Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
Message-ID: <20060512115105.78777.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello,
   
  I am about to convert my existing ignition system to coil-over-spark. As I would need four end stages (ignition amplifiers), I was interested in using ones that have more then one end stage inside the samo housing. I am able to purchase Bosch items 0-227-100-200 that incorporate two end stages quite chaply.
   
  However, I ultimatively need modules that are able to control the dwell on their own. I was able to find some info on 0-227-100-200, but not if the modules are capable of doing dwell control.
   
  Does anyone have a clue?
   
  Many thanks,
  NG


		
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From phil at injec.com  Fri May 12 13:13:02 2006
From: phil at injec.com (Phil Lamovie)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 04:13:02 +1000
Subject: [Diy_efi] LPG injection
References: <20060511163418.750B837745@ns1.nec.com.au>	<4463D47D.3070803@nec.com.au>
	<446441DB.D6593BFC@injec.com> <44645CBB.2050308@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <4464D02E.A40BA93@injec.com>


Ian asked...


>>> what sort of MPG increase (if any) can you get from LPG converting a
>>> diesel ?

The Diesels that I was working with were  stationary engines that had
17:1 compression that I lowered to 14.5:1 so there was a small loss in
thermal efficiency.

On the other hand I could run at 20:1 A/F ratio at part throttle which
is more useful for a vehicle than a generator.

>>> I have a Daihatsu charade with the CL-61 (3 pot 1.0 turbo diesel). it
>>> gets 66MPG cruising and 55 odd round town (not bad IMO!). how intrusive
>>> would a conversion be for this engine ?

If your engine could accept an injector swap and a fuel rail installation
as well as spark plugs, coils and all the wiring as well as a throttle body.
Then of course there is the tank and the associated plumbing and safety shields.

Not much really. :)

>>> how cold do the injectors get compared to running on diesel? the one
>>> thing I dont want is a cracked head from meddling too much with the
>>> thermal parameters of the engine.

The injectors don't get cold. The fuel exits the injector in a liquid form
all the heat comes from air and metal.

HTH

Phil




From torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu  Fri May 12 15:53:45 2006
From: torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_Forsman?=)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:53:45 +0200
Subject: [Diy_efi] Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
In-Reply-To: <20060512115105.78777.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20060512115105.78777.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4464F5D9.2050307@gengas.nu>

Most probably, the 0 227 100 200 is just an amplifier, intended for use 
together with an ECU which takes care of the dwell calculation, 
apparently they are used on Motronic (or Bendix "Fenix") systems. The 
only Bosch ignition modules I know about that have built-in dwell 
control are the old ones used together with distributors with inductive 
sensor and mechanical ignition advance. But they use the fact that the 
p-p voltage from the inductive sensor increases with the rpm, for 
controlling the dwell. Most of those ignition modules can also be used 
as pure amplifiers for a square wave from an ECU, and in that mode they 
do not change the dwell of the input signal.

Best regards

Torbj?rn Forsman


Stevan Glogovac wrote:
> Hello,
>    
>   I am about to convert my existing ignition system to coil-over-spark. As I would need four end stages (ignition amplifiers), I was interested in using ones that have more then one end stage inside the samo housing. I am able to purchase Bosch items 0-227-100-200 that incorporate two end stages quite chaply.
>    
>   However, I ultimatively need modules that are able to control the dwell on their own. I was able to find some info on 0-227-100-200, but not if the modules are capable of doing dwell control.
>    
>   Does anyone have a clue?
>    
>   Many thanks,
>   NG
> 
> 
> 		
> ---------------------------------
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From vtadlb4 at pctmail.net  Fri May 12 20:03:03 2006
From: vtadlb4 at pctmail.net (VTA)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 11:03:03 +1000
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Diy_efi] LPG injection
References: <20060511163418.750B837745@ns1.nec.com.au><4463D47D.3070803@nec.com.au>
	<446441DB.D6593BFC@injec.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c67628$fd3ed280$eb5186cb@VTAmobile>

Another major problem with liquid LPG injection is as the pressure is raised
by an in tank pump to maintain rail pressure for mixture control the LPG is
recirculated back to the tank via a regulator this increases the temperature
of the LPG in the tank to the point in warm climates that the the vapour
pressure with the car tank can not be overcome with the pressure
differential at the service station especially underground LPG storage
tanks.

John L



From ltallant at alltel.net  Fri May 12 22:34:44 2006
From: ltallant at alltel.net (ltallant at alltel.net)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:34:44 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
Message-ID: <20060513033444.SHPB9150.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>

I'm new to the list.  I am also new to fuel injection and am beginning research now for a future project.  I am curious whether this is a good system to retrofit onto an older inline 6 of similar displacement.  These GM 3.1's are plentiful in the u-pull yards in my area.  Also the weatherproof ecm looks like a plus, and the DIS is great.

I have a '90 Cutlass Supreme with this system and it has 198k with no major problems.

Thanks,
Larry Tallant



From justin at jacomms.com  Sat May 13 08:40:52 2006
From: justin at jacomms.com (Justin Albury)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 23:40:52 +1000
Subject: [Diy_efi] Gas fuel injector on ABC TV Australia
In-Reply-To: <005301c67548$25f50eb0$09282786@mv.skagit.edu>
References: <005301c67548$25f50eb0$09282786@mv.skagit.edu>
Message-ID: <4465E1E4.6060409@jacomms.com>

GM3800 SeriesII with some SeriesIII bits thrown in.
Rollmaster Double Row Timing Set - no balance shaft
Stage 2 Turbo Cam form Intense
Full ARP Stud Kit
Adjustable Roller Rockers
"OE R Series" Hydraulic Roller Lifters
Diamond Coated Forged Piston
Clevite 77 TriMetal Bearings
L32 Connecting Rod
Modified Commodore heads
Custom Intake with Twin 50mm
Custom Turbo/Exhaust
Twin T2's - Flow Matched
Bill's GTi LPG Injectors & Converter/Regulator
Custom Delco 082 (8192 serial data) with 2Bar MAP

I will soon have my projects page up and running again with photos of 
the conversion.
For those who did not see any photos, this conversion is in a 1993 Ford 
Econavan Maxi.
Twin Turbo V6
Full Manual Shift T700 with B&M ratchet shifter
3.08:1 HSV LSD Diff
Commodore (VR/VS) front hubs with mod to stubs to fit
HSV 2 spot front brakes
1" master cyl, double diafram booster
3" turbo happy exhaust (side exit infront of axel)
3 LPG cylinders (all under body)
.......plus more...

but in short the LPG Injection runs VERY well ....a little different to 
tune and the AF ratio maps were all over the place
when running up on the dyno....almost finished the tune, just need 1 
more dyno run ....its a time problem...  :-(

I will post the link when I get it back up again.

Justin



KN wrote:
> I sent an email to Bill Campbell and what I got back was that those of us in
> the USA where pretty much out of luck.  He said that the retail version is
> yet to be completed, so nothing for sale to the consumer. If there are any
> other systems out there that are similar or there is a way to get Bill's GTi
> system via a AUS buyer please let me know.  I would really like to get a LPG
> system set up on my MegaSquirted BMW
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On
> Behalf Of Stuart Hall
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:45 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Gas fuel injector on ABC TV Australia
>
> Hey Justin, What engine is your twin turbo V6?? aany other details you can 
> give us on how well the system works? Ive been thinking about converting a 
> non turbo Z32 300ZX over to LPG...
>
> cheers, Stu
>
>
>
> Justin Albury wrote:
>   
>> these injectors work really well.  my twin turbo v6 loves em!!!
>>
>> justin
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Funny, the link didnt turn up, here it is <sigh>:-
>>>
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1345083.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:06 PM 5/9/06, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Regards from
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike Massen
>>>> Network Power Systems
>>>> Lab 08 9444 8961
>>>> Mb 0438 048961
>>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>>> * VL/VK Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>> * Skyline/NIssan/VL Milspec ignition driver in development
>>>> * Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>> * Industrial grade PolyVinyliDeneChloride (PVDC Copolymer) in bulk, the 
>>>> best
>>>>  oxygen and water protective barrier you can find for circuit boards.
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Perth, Western Australia
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>>> Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
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From five10man at commspeed.net  Sat May 13 13:37:56 2006
From: five10man at commspeed.net (Tom Visel)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 11:37:56 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
In-Reply-To: <20060513033444.SHPB9150.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
References: <20060513033444.SHPB9150.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <44662784.1050105@commspeed.net>

The crank sensor reads a wheel which is built into the crankshaft on 
these engines.  That might be a make-or-break consideration when 
deciding whether or not to apply this system to another engine.  If you 
get a chance, look inside the oil pan on a 3.1 for the extra flywheel 
built into the middle of the crank.  I'm sure a work-around could be 
done, but how hard do you want to work?
TomV

ltallant at alltel.net wrote:

>I'm new to the list.  I am also new to fuel injection and am beginning research now for a future project.  I am curious whether this is a good system to retrofit onto an older inline 6 of similar displacement.  These GM 3.1's are plentiful in the u-pull yards in my area.  Also the weatherproof ecm looks like a plus, and the DIS is great.
>
>I have a '90 Cutlass Supreme with this system and it has 198k with no major problems.
>
>Thanks,
>Larry Tallant
>
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>
>  
>


From llemoine at gmail.com  Sat May 13 13:47:28 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:47:28 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
In-Reply-To: <44662784.1050105@commspeed.net>
References: <20060513033444.SHPB9150.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
	<44662784.1050105@commspeed.net>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605131147r2d17ec9drff7c4ead24b06961@mail.gmail.com>

Hey there Larry,

I'm pretty familiar with the 3.1 also, have a Mclaren 3.1 in my cavalier
which has a custom ECM attached at the moment.  As was brought up by Tom,
the hardest part of making the system work is getting accurate timing and
triggering.  Maybe if we had a bit more information on this straight six, we
could help you a little more.  Some of the older GM slant sixes may be
easily retrofittable with some of the early V6 distributor parts.  If its
DOHC or whatever, there are other solutions...  What kind of straight six is
this?  What type of application (ie: street car, boat, etc?)

The 60 deg v6 uses a notch system like tom had mentioned.   (here's a pic:
http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/images/jbp_frgd_84mm_crnk1.jpg  )  the
center portion of the crank has a wheel in it with notches cut. i have the
exact specs, but i doubt you'll be able to recreate that on your other
engine.  As mentioned before, the older 60 deg v6 and some of the straight
six stuff out of jeeps has hall effect sensors, which may be able to be used
in this application.

Give us some light, and we'll help you out the best we can.

Cheers!
-- Lee


On 5/13/06, Tom Visel <five10man at commspeed.net> wrote:
>
> The crank sensor reads a wheel which is built into the crankshaft on
> these engines.  That might be a make-or-break consideration when
> deciding whether or not to apply this system to another engine.  If you
> get a chance, look inside the oil pan on a 3.1 for the extra flywheel
> built into the middle of the crank.  I'm sure a work-around could be
> done, but how hard do you want to work?
> TomV
>
> ltallant at alltel.net wrote:
>
> >I'm new to the list.  I am also new to fuel injection and am beginning
> research now for a future project.  I am curious whether this is a good
> system to retrofit onto an older inline 6 of similar displacement.  These GM
> 3.1's are plentiful in the u-pull yards in my area.  Also the weatherproof
> ecm looks like a plus, and the DIS is great.
> >
> >I have a '90 Cutlass Supreme with this system and it has 198k with no
> major problems.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Larry Tallant
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
> >
> >
> >
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-- 
Sincerely,

Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From trekfan at globalco.net  Sat May 13 13:52:52 2006
From: trekfan at globalco.net (trekfan)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:52:52 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
References: <20060513033444.SHPB9150.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
	<44662784.1050105@commspeed.net>
Message-ID: <000e01c676be$71212820$3df70dcc@default>

There's also a GM 3.1 W/distributor vin code "D" used in the early 90's in
the Lumina van and I think the S10's it mtght be easier to use only drawback
is ecm is underdash.

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Visel" <five10man at commspeed.net>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1


> The crank sensor reads a wheel which is built into the crankshaft on
> these engines.  That might be a make-or-break consideration when
> deciding whether or not to apply this system to another engine.  If you
> get a chance, look inside the oil pan on a 3.1 for the extra flywheel
> built into the middle of the crank.  I'm sure a work-around could be
> done, but how hard do you want to work?
> TomV
>
> ltallant at alltel.net wrote:
>
> >I'm new to the list.  I am also new to fuel injection and am beginning
research now for a future project.  I am curious whether this is a good
system to retrofit onto an older inline 6 of similar displacement.  These GM
3.1's are plentiful in the u-pull yards in my area.  Also the weatherproof
ecm looks like a plus, and the DIS is great.
> >
> >I have a '90 Cutlass Supreme with this system and it has 198k with no
major problems.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Larry Tallant
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Diy_efi mailing list
> >Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From llemoine at gmail.com  Sat May 13 14:11:26 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:11:26 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
In-Reply-To: <000e01c676be$71212820$3df70dcc@default>
References: <20060513033444.SHPB9150.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
	<44662784.1050105@commspeed.net>
	<000e01c676be$71212820$3df70dcc@default>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605131211i4bfa54f5u8f663fe77a8e51e4@mail.gmail.com>

yeah.  the pickups the same for all the V6's.  (4.3, 3.1, 2.8) with the
firing order being different on the 3.4 only set inside the ECM from what i
remember)  anyways...  if its a dohc motor, or something, there may be other
issues.  could be a toyota or nissan or an old AMC.  -- til we find out ;)



On 5/13/06, trekfan <trekfan at globalco.net> wrote:
>
> There's also a GM 3.1 W/distributor vin code "D" used in the early 90's in
> the Lumina van and I think the S10's it mtght be easier to use only
> drawback
> is ecm is underdash.
>
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Visel" <five10man at commspeed.net>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
>
>
> > The crank sensor reads a wheel which is built into the crankshaft on
> > these engines.  That might be a make-or-break consideration when
> > deciding whether or not to apply this system to another engine.  If you
> > get a chance, look inside the oil pan on a 3.1 for the extra flywheel
> > built into the middle of the crank.  I'm sure a work-around could be
> > done, but how hard do you want to work?
> > TomV
> >
> > ltallant at alltel.net wrote:
> >
> > >I'm new to the list.  I am also new to fuel injection and am beginning
> research now for a future project.  I am curious whether this is a good
> system to retrofit onto an older inline 6 of similar displacement.  These
> GM
> 3.1's are plentiful in the u-pull yards in my area.  Also the weatherproof
> ecm looks like a plus, and the DIS is great.
> > >
> > >I have a '90 Cutlass Supreme with this system and it has 198k with no
> major problems.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Larry Tallant
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From j_holland at btopenworld.com  Sat May 13 15:24:20 2006
From: j_holland at btopenworld.com (ENSEMBLE J-HOLLAND)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:24:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Diy_efi] Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
Message-ID: <20060513202420.78489.qmail@web86601.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


Hello,
   
  I am about to convert my existing ignition system to coil-over-spark. 
As I would need four end stages (ignition amplifiers), I was interested 
in using ones that have more then one end stage inside the samo 
housing. I am able to purchase Bosch items 0-227-100-200 that incorporate two 
end stages quite chaply.
   
  However, I ultimatively need modules that are able to control the 
dwell on their own. I was able to find some info on 0-227-100-200, but not 
if the modules are capable of doing dwell control.
   
  Does anyone have a clue?
   
  Many thanks,
  NG

   
  The schematics for I have seen for some late model Suzukis show the ignition amplifier built in to the Coil On Plug module. Maybe these could simplify your task.



From dirtrider218 at hotmail.com  Sat May 13 15:26:49 2006
From: dirtrider218 at hotmail.com (John Smith1882)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 13:26:49 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] Low pressure propane injection with gasoline injectors.
In-Reply-To: <BAY0-MC3-F215gjGpnA00218fb4@bay0-mc3-f2.bay0.hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F1392140D6F06691E5F785297AD0@phx.gbl>

With all this talk about LPG conversions, direct injection, and special 
parts, it got my gears turning. I've seen huge (1600 cc/min) low impedance 
gasoline injectors and they were described as "also suitable for  NG/LPG). I 
assumed an injector that large would be for gaseous injection, is that 
correct?

I have a turbocharged and MegaSquirt controlled Briggs & Stratton I'm 
working on, but I don't think 91 octane pump gas will be adequate with the 
high cylinder head temps and boost. Can I really use LPG with the gasoline 
injectors? The engine is only 400cc and I have three 30lb/hr(315cc/min) 
injectors at my disposal.




From spyro at f2s.com  Sun May 14 17:27:38 2006
From: spyro at f2s.com (Ian Molton)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 23:27:38 +0100
Subject: [Diy_efi] LPG injection
In-Reply-To: <4464D02E.A40BA93@injec.com>
References: <20060511163418.750B837745@ns1.nec.com.au>	<4463D47D.3070803@nec.com.au>	<446441DB.D6593BFC@injec.com>
	<44645CBB.2050308@f2s.com> <4464D02E.A40BA93@injec.com>
Message-ID: <4467AEDA.2080902@f2s.com>

Phil Lamovie wrote:
> Ian asked...

>>>>I have a Daihatsu charade with the CL-61 (3 pot 1.0 turbo diesel). it
>>>>gets 66MPG cruising and 55 odd round town (not bad IMO!). how intrusive
>>>>would a conversion be for this engine ?
> 
> If your engine could accept an injector swap and a fuel rail installation
> as well as spark plugs, coils and all the wiring as well as a throttle body.
> Then of course there is the tank and the associated plumbing and safety shields.
> 
> Not much really. :)

Er. if you add spark plugs is it still a diesel ?!


From justin at jacomms.com  Sun May 14 19:04:41 2006
From: justin at jacomms.com (Justin Albury)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:04:41 +1000
Subject: [Diy_efi] Low pressure propane injection with gasoline injectors.
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F1392140D6F06691E5F785297AD0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY105-F1392140D6F06691E5F785297AD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4467C599.9020103@jacomms.com>

many years ago i had a go at this and ended up with frozen injectors.  I 
kept on going and found that i needed a regulated rail pressure of 
around 18psi of vapor ( this was in a v6 non turbo). back then i was 
working in our family workshop out in the sticks in a town with a 
population of around 1000 people so i didnt have access to many non 
standard parts, i used a air reg from the workshop as a gas vapor geg 
and found i had to feed both ends of the rail.  it almost worked but 
just keept freezing injectors.  with you small cc eng and the huge 
injectors around today it would be worth a go..  When i meet up with 
Bill many years ago he mentioned his system that was in development and 
thats where  my playing  with petrol injector ended, as well as i bought 
a house in the small city of goulburn and didnt have all that much time 
to play .....well then my TTV6 evolved and I ended up with a prototype 
system of Bills.  It works very well......hope this is of some help

Justin

John Smith1882 wrote:
> With all this talk about LPG conversions, direct injection, and 
> special parts, it got my gears turning. I've seen huge (1600 cc/min) 
> low impedance gasoline injectors and they were described as "also 
> suitable for  NG/LPG). I assumed an injector that large would be for 
> gaseous injection, is that correct?
>
> I have a turbocharged and MegaSquirt controlled Briggs & Stratton I'm 
> working on, but I don't think 91 octane pump gas will be adequate with 
> the high cylinder head temps and boost. Can I really use LPG with the 
> gasoline injectors? The engine is only 400cc and I have three 
> 30lb/hr(315cc/min) injectors at my disposal.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi


From ltallant at alltel.net  Sun May 14 22:04:39 2006
From: ltallant at alltel.net (ltallant at alltel.net)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:04:39 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
Message-ID: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>

It is a 1958 Chevy 235 in-line 6.  Would it be possible to machine a crank wheel and bolt it to the front pulley, or use a different type position sensor on the distribuor?  The other concern I have is the intake ports on the head are siamesed, so there are only three round intake runners about 2" in diameter.  Thanks for all your input so far.

Larry Tallant



From llemoine at gmail.com  Sun May 14 22:21:32 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 23:21:32 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
In-Reply-To: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
References: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605142021m7c99d1b6y35d6c777f2fd726@mail.gmail.com>

The 235 and 292 (or was it 250) straight six was a pretty popular motor from
what little i know about it.  We used to have one in one of our work
trucks.  I know the Megasquirt system allows for a magnetic pickup on the
actual crank pulley, as i'm sure you could do that with this setup as well.
What my thought would be is...  next time your in the junkyard...  take a
few distributors off of old GM v6's -- Fieros, first generation cavaliers
(v6s) some older Chevy Citations, and there are a few applications which
could be used  (4.3 liter GM truck engines although i'm not too familiar
with them... and i'm pretty sure V6 camaros used distributorized timing
signals)    Once you get the signal, the rest of the injection should go
relatively easily.

Cheers
-- Lee


On 5/14/06, ltallant at alltel.net <ltallant at alltel.net> wrote:
>
> It is a 1958 Chevy 235 in-line 6.  Would it be possible to machine a crank
> wheel and bolt it to the front pulley, or use a different type position
> sensor on the distribuor?  The other concern I have is the intake ports on
> the head are siamesed, so there are only three round intake runners about 2"
> in diameter.  Thanks for all your input so far.
>
> Larry Tallant
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>



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Sincerely,

Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From wopontour at hotmail.com  Mon May 15 01:42:38 2006
From: wopontour at hotmail.com (WopOnTour)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 00:42:38 -0600
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
References: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
Message-ID: <BAY19-DAV424D725C91FA8F9301AA5BAA30@phx.gbl>

Larry
Assuming the inline engine is using even fire 120 degree crank pinning with 
3 pairs of identically phased running mates,(I know nothing of this old 
girl) IMO machining a crank driven reluctor would probably be easiest. 
Distributor triggering would be almost impossible as it runs at 1/2 engine 
RPM so you would need 12 evenly spaced pickup coil triggers PLUS a 10 degree 
sync pulse. I guess you could add a tooth somehow to a 12 cylinder 
distributor?? Still think a bolt on crank wheel would be easiest if you are 
dead set on using the V6 DIS
HTH
WopOnTour

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ltallant at alltel.net>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:04 PM
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1


> It is a 1958 Chevy 235 in-line 6.  Would it be possible to machine a crank 
> wheel and bolt it to the front pulley, or use a different type position 
> sensor on the distribuor?  The other concern I have is the intake ports on 
> the head are siamesed, so there are only three round intake runners about 
> 2" in diameter.  Thanks for all your input so far.
>
> Larry Tallant
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> 


From llemoine at gmail.com  Mon May 15 09:06:51 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:06:51 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
In-Reply-To: <BAY19-DAV424D725C91FA8F9301AA5BAA30@phx.gbl>
References: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
	<BAY19-DAV424D725C91FA8F9301AA5BAA30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605150706y5f6969ccp9f6532d9d8ab3aea@mail.gmail.com>

forgot about the sync pulse.  Dammit!

On 5/15/06, WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Larry
> Assuming the inline engine is using even fire 120 degree crank pinning
> with
> 3 pairs of identically phased running mates,(I know nothing of this old
> girl) IMO machining a crank driven reluctor would probably be easiest.
> Distributor triggering would be almost impossible as it runs at 1/2 engine
> RPM so you would need 12 evenly spaced pickup coil triggers PLUS a 10
> degree
> sync pulse. I guess you could add a tooth somehow to a 12 cylinder
> distributor?? Still think a bolt on crank wheel would be easiest if you
> are
> dead set on using the V6 DIS
> HTH
> WopOnTour
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ltallant at alltel.net>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
>
>
> > It is a 1958 Chevy 235 in-line 6.  Would it be possible to machine a
> crank
> > wheel and bolt it to the front pulley, or use a different type position
> > sensor on the distribuor?  The other concern I have is the intake ports
> on
> > the head are siamesed, so there are only three round intake runners
> about
> > 2" in diameter.  Thanks for all your input so far.
> >
> > Larry Tallant
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diy_efi mailing list
> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
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> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>



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http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From j_holland at btopenworld.com  Mon May 15 13:48:01 2006
From: j_holland at btopenworld.com (ENSEMBLE J-HOLLAND)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:48:01 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Diy_efi] LPG injection
Message-ID: <20060515184801.56213.qmail@web86607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


Phil Lamovie wrote:
> Ian asked...

>>>>I have a Daihatsu charade with the CL-61 (3 pot 1.0 turbo diesel). 
it
>>>>gets 66MPG cruising and 55 odd round town (not bad IMO!). how 
intrusive
>>>>would a conversion be for this engine ?
> 
> If your engine could accept an injector swap and a fuel rail 
installation
> as well as spark plugs, coils and all the wiring as well as a 
throttle body.
> Then of course there is the tank and the associated plumbing and 
safety shields.
> 
> Not much really. :)

Er. if you add spark plugs is it still a diesel ?!
   
  You don't need spark plugs or additional injectors. Diesel/LPG vehicles use a mix of diesel and LPG, the diesel ignites the LPG.
   
  http://www.ilovesponge.com/spongecars/diesel/dieseltechnical.htm
   
   
  


 


From dirtrider218 at hotmail.com  Mon May 15 14:09:29 2006
From: dirtrider218 at hotmail.com (John Smith1882)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:09:29 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] Re: Low pressure propane injection with gasoline
	injectors.
In-Reply-To: <BAY0-MC4-F241NzzBdD004355fb@bay0-mc4-f2.bay0.hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F36727EFF8E555F93D6B5D597A30@phx.gbl>

I had envisioned a system similar to the one you describe. I don't expect 
freezing to be an issue with just one or more likely two 30 lb/hr injectors 
on an engine making ~30hp. I will use as long of a hose between the tank and 
regulator as necessary to keep from "going liquid" as us paintballers say. I 
will probably experiment with copper pipe to make a fuel rail I can solder 
together. That way I can put whatever fittings I need wherever I want

I wouldn't normally consider propane an option, but I only know of one or 
two places to locally get race fuel I don't think any of the 76 stations 
around here have pump 100 and ZERO stations have E-85. In fact, I would 
prefer E-85 over all the others, but there is only a single station here in 
California that sells it publicly and it is about 5 hours away. E-85 is less 
than $2.25/gal whereas pump premium 91 is ~$3.80, racing 100 or higher is 
~$6.00/gal, and propane is ~$2.00/gal.

Hopefully I can keep this topic going. Everyone says that CNG/LPG injectors 
are special and costly, etc, but using more common gaslione injectors would 
be a great option for the amateur.

>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:04:41 +1000
>From: Justin Albury <justin at jacomms.com>
>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Low pressure propane injection with gasoline
>	injectors.
>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>Message-ID: <4467C599.9020103 at jacomms.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>many years ago i had a go at this and ended up with frozen injectors.  I
>kept on going and found that i needed a regulated rail pressure of
>around 18psi of vapor ( this was in a v6 non turbo). back then i was
>working in our family workshop out in the sticks in a town with a
>population of around 1000 people so i didnt have access to many non
>standard parts, i used a air reg from the workshop as a gas vapor geg
>and found i had to feed both ends of the rail.  it almost worked but
>just keept freezing injectors.  with you small cc eng and the huge
>injectors around today it would be worth a go..  When i meet up with
>Bill many years ago he mentioned his system that was in development and
>thats where  my playing  with petrol injector ended, as well as i bought
>a house in the small city of goulburn and didnt have all that much time
>to play .....well then my TTV6 evolved and I ended up with a prototype
>system of Bills.  It works very well......hope this is of some help
>
>Justin




From Head2Wind at gmail.com  Mon May 15 14:25:52 2006
From: Head2Wind at gmail.com (KN)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:25:52 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] Electronic propane injection
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F36727EFF8E555F93D6B5D597A30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009101c67855$61730900$09282786@mv.skagit.edu>

I am not affiliated with them; this is just contact info for the BC, Canada
distributor of the http://www.prins-lpg.com/en/prins/ product line.  I will
be getting quotes on product costs here shortly.


"interest in the VSI product.  We are the Canadian distrubutor of this
product and would love to help you.  Please call me at (604)-308-9430

Thanks again 

Willie Stephen [wstephen at maxquip.ca]
VP Pacific Region 
MaX-Quip Inc"

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On
Behalf Of John Smith1882
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:09 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: [Diy_efi] Re: Low pressure propane injection with
gasolineinjectors.

I had envisioned a system similar to the one you describe. I don't expect 
freezing to be an issue with just one or more likely two 30 lb/hr injectors 
on an engine making ~30hp. I will use as long of a hose between the tank and

regulator as necessary to keep from "going liquid" as us paintballers say. I

will probably experiment with copper pipe to make a fuel rail I can solder 
together. That way I can put whatever fittings I need wherever I want

I wouldn't normally consider propane an option, but I only know of one or 
two places to locally get race fuel I don't think any of the 76 stations 
around here have pump 100 and ZERO stations have E-85. In fact, I would 
prefer E-85 over all the others, but there is only a single station here in 
California that sells it publicly and it is about 5 hours away. E-85 is less

than $2.25/gal whereas pump premium 91 is ~$3.80, racing 100 or higher is 
~$6.00/gal, and propane is ~$2.00/gal.

Hopefully I can keep this topic going. Everyone says that CNG/LPG injectors 
are special and costly, etc, but using more common gaslione injectors would 
be a great option for the amateur.

>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:04:41 +1000
>From: Justin Albury <justin at jacomms.com>
>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Low pressure propane injection with gasoline
>	injectors.
>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>Message-ID: <4467C599.9020103 at jacomms.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>many years ago i had a go at this and ended up with frozen injectors.  I
>kept on going and found that i needed a regulated rail pressure of
>around 18psi of vapor ( this was in a v6 non turbo). back then i was
>working in our family workshop out in the sticks in a town with a
>population of around 1000 people so i didnt have access to many non
>standard parts, i used a air reg from the workshop as a gas vapor geg
>and found i had to feed both ends of the rail.  it almost worked but
>just keept freezing injectors.  with you small cc eng and the huge
>injectors around today it would be worth a go..  When i meet up with
>Bill many years ago he mentioned his system that was in development and
>thats where  my playing  with petrol injector ended, as well as i bought
>a house in the small city of goulburn and didnt have all that much time
>to play .....well then my TTV6 evolved and I ended up with a prototype
>system of Bills.  It works very well......hope this is of some help
>
>Justin


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From ltallant at alltel.net  Mon May 15 14:35:28 2006
From: ltallant at alltel.net (ltallant at alltel.net)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:35:28 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
Message-ID: <20060515193528.SHKG23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>

Thanks to all for the ideas.  I do most of my own vehicle repairs.  Most of my experience is mechanical, with only very basic electrical troubleshooting.  So there is going to be a pretty large learning curve.  I'll get the service manual for my Cutlass, do some more research and learn more about the systems.  I will keep you posted when progress begins.
As far as the system, I think I'm still open for other options.  It's just these seem to be very plentiful in the junkyards right now (go figure:).  Unlike the rest of the car, the ignition and fuel delivery have given me little or no truoble with 198k+ miles and 16 years on this car.
Thanks again,
Larry Tallant



From llemoine at gmail.com  Mon May 15 15:29:32 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:29:32 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Electronic propane injection
In-Reply-To: <009101c67855$61730900$09282786@mv.skagit.edu>
References: <BAY105-F36727EFF8E555F93D6B5D597A30@phx.gbl>
	<009101c67855$61730900$09282786@mv.skagit.edu>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605151329k162438ag7df6cb8df1125f23@mail.gmail.com>

Just a quick thought, one of my ex-girlfriends had a '95 dodge intrepid
which was "tri-fuel" ready, and whenever i'd have to go get parts for it
they always asked if it was the tri-fuel or regular model.  I never checked
the trunk, but i do remember a fourth line coming to the fuel rail, perhaps
this was for LPG?  I know a lot of the ford police vehicles here stateside
are now offering LPG offerings, as our city has a few.  Just a thought, i'm
sure you can all find a '93-97 dodge intrepid in a local junkyard with the
3.3liter multi-fuel engine in it.

-- Lee


On 5/15/06, KN <Head2Wind at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am not affiliated with them; this is just contact info for the BC,
> Canada
> distributor of the http://www.prins-lpg.com/en/prins/ product line.  I
> will
> be getting quotes on product costs here shortly.
>
>
> "interest in the VSI product.  We are the Canadian distrubutor of this
> product and would love to help you.  Please call me at (604)-308-9430
>
> Thanks again
>
> Willie Stephen [wstephen at maxquip.ca]
> VP Pacific Region
> MaX-Quip Inc"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On
> Behalf Of John Smith1882
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:09 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: [Diy_efi] Re: Low pressure propane injection with
> gasolineinjectors.
>
> I had envisioned a system similar to the one you describe. I don't expect
> freezing to be an issue with just one or more likely two 30 lb/hr
> injectors
> on an engine making ~30hp. I will use as long of a hose between the tank
> and
>
> regulator as necessary to keep from "going liquid" as us paintballers say.
> I
>
> will probably experiment with copper pipe to make a fuel rail I can solder
> together. That way I can put whatever fittings I need wherever I want
>
> I wouldn't normally consider propane an option, but I only know of one or
> two places to locally get race fuel I don't think any of the 76 stations
> around here have pump 100 and ZERO stations have E-85. In fact, I would
> prefer E-85 over all the others, but there is only a single station here
> in
> California that sells it publicly and it is about 5 hours away. E-85 is
> less
>
> than $2.25/gal whereas pump premium 91 is ~$3.80, racing 100 or higher is
> ~$6.00/gal, and propane is ~$2.00/gal.
>
> Hopefully I can keep this topic going. Everyone says that CNG/LPG
> injectors
> are special and costly, etc, but using more common gaslione injectors
> would
> be a great option for the amateur.
>
> >Message: 2
> >Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:04:41 +1000
> >From: Justin Albury <justin at jacomms.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Low pressure propane injection with gasoline
> >       injectors.
> >To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >Message-ID: <4467C599.9020103 at jacomms.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> >many years ago i had a go at this and ended up with frozen injectors.  I
> >kept on going and found that i needed a regulated rail pressure of
> >around 18psi of vapor ( this was in a v6 non turbo). back then i was
> >working in our family workshop out in the sticks in a town with a
> >population of around 1000 people so i didnt have access to many non
> >standard parts, i used a air reg from the workshop as a gas vapor geg
> >and found i had to feed both ends of the rail.  it almost worked but
> >just keept freezing injectors.  with you small cc eng and the huge
> >injectors around today it would be worth a go..  When i meet up with
> >Bill many years ago he mentioned his system that was in development and
> >thats where  my playing  with petrol injector ended, as well as i bought
> >a house in the small city of goulburn and didnt have all that much time
> >to play .....well then my TTV6 evolved and I ended up with a prototype
> >system of Bills.  It works very well......hope this is of some help
> >
> >Justin
>
>
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http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From Head2Wind at gmail.com  Mon May 15 18:32:59 2006
From: Head2Wind at gmail.com (KN)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:32:59 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] Electronic propane injection
In-Reply-To: <bedc2dea0605151329k162438ag7df6cb8df1125f23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00aa01c67877$e68dc590$09282786@mv.skagit.edu>

Useful insight into propane as a road fuel.

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=129931&page=9

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On
Behalf Of Lee M. Lemoine
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 1:30 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Electronic propane injection

Just a quick thought, one of my ex-girlfriends had a '95 dodge intrepid
which was "tri-fuel" ready, and whenever i'd have to go get parts for it
they always asked if it was the tri-fuel or regular model.  I never checked
the trunk, but i do remember a fourth line coming to the fuel rail, perhaps
this was for LPG?  I know a lot of the ford police vehicles here stateside
are now offering LPG offerings, as our city has a few.  Just a thought, i'm
sure you can all find a '93-97 dodge intrepid in a local junkyard with the
3.3liter multi-fuel engine in it.

-- Lee


On 5/15/06, KN <Head2Wind at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am not affiliated with them; this is just contact info for the BC,
> Canada
> distributor of the http://www.prins-lpg.com/en/prins/ product line.  I
> will
> be getting quotes on product costs here shortly.
>
>
> "interest in the VSI product.  We are the Canadian distrubutor of this
> product and would love to help you.  Please call me at (604)-308-9430
>
> Thanks again
>
> Willie Stephen [wstephen at maxquip.ca]
> VP Pacific Region
> MaX-Quip Inc"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On
> Behalf Of John Smith1882
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:09 PM
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Subject: [Diy_efi] Re: Low pressure propane injection with
> gasolineinjectors.
>
> I had envisioned a system similar to the one you describe. I don't expect
> freezing to be an issue with just one or more likely two 30 lb/hr
> injectors
> on an engine making ~30hp. I will use as long of a hose between the tank
> and
>
> regulator as necessary to keep from "going liquid" as us paintballers say.
> I
>
> will probably experiment with copper pipe to make a fuel rail I can solder
> together. That way I can put whatever fittings I need wherever I want
>
> I wouldn't normally consider propane an option, but I only know of one or
> two places to locally get race fuel I don't think any of the 76 stations
> around here have pump 100 and ZERO stations have E-85. In fact, I would
> prefer E-85 over all the others, but there is only a single station here
> in
> California that sells it publicly and it is about 5 hours away. E-85 is
> less
>
> than $2.25/gal whereas pump premium 91 is ~$3.80, racing 100 or higher is
> ~$6.00/gal, and propane is ~$2.00/gal.
>
> Hopefully I can keep this topic going. Everyone says that CNG/LPG
> injectors
> are special and costly, etc, but using more common gaslione injectors
> would
> be a great option for the amateur.
>
> >Message: 2
> >Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:04:41 +1000
> >From: Justin Albury <justin at jacomms.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Low pressure propane injection with gasoline
> >       injectors.
> >To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >Message-ID: <4467C599.9020103 at jacomms.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> >many years ago i had a go at this and ended up with frozen injectors.  I
> >kept on going and found that i needed a regulated rail pressure of
> >around 18psi of vapor ( this was in a v6 non turbo). back then i was
> >working in our family workshop out in the sticks in a town with a
> >population of around 1000 people so i didnt have access to many non
> >standard parts, i used a air reg from the workshop as a gas vapor geg
> >and found i had to feed both ends of the rail.  it almost worked but
> >just keept freezing injectors.  with you small cc eng and the huge
> >injectors around today it would be worth a go..  When i meet up with
> >Bill many years ago he mentioned his system that was in development and
> >thats where  my playing  with petrol injector ended, as well as i bought
> >a house in the small city of goulburn and didnt have all that much time
> >to play .....well then my TTV6 evolved and I ended up with a prototype
> >system of Bills.  It works very well......hope this is of some help
> >
> >Justin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>
>
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http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
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From wopontour at hotmail.com  Tue May 16 00:07:13 2006
From: wopontour at hotmail.com (WopOnTour)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 23:07:13 -0600
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
References: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net><BAY19-DAV424D725C91FA8F9301AA5BAA30@phx.gbl>
	<bedc2dea0605150706y5f6969ccp9f6532d9d8ab3aea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY19-DAV6A5BDC8CB5F0D892CE55ABAA00@phx.gbl>

Really?
Pray tell...
How else is the DIS module going to correctly synchronize the coil packs??
WOT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lee M. Lemoine" <llemoine at gmail.com>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1


forgot about the sync pulse.  Dammit!

On 5/15/06, WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Larry
> Assuming the inline engine is using even fire 120 degree crank pinning
> with
> 3 pairs of identically phased running mates,(I know nothing of this old
> girl) IMO machining a crank driven reluctor would probably be easiest.
> Distributor triggering would be almost impossible as it runs at 1/2 engine
> RPM so you would need 12 evenly spaced pickup coil triggers PLUS a 10
> degree
> sync pulse. I guess you could add a tooth somehow to a 12 cylinder
> distributor?? Still think a bolt on crank wheel would be easiest if you
> are
> dead set on using the V6 DIS
> HTH
> WopOnTour
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ltallant at alltel.net>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
>
>
> > It is a 1958 Chevy 235 in-line 6.  Would it be possible to machine a
> crank
> > wheel and bolt it to the front pulley, or use a different type position
> > sensor on the distribuor?  The other concern I have is the intake ports
> on
> > the head are siamesed, so there are only three round intake runners
> about
> > 2" in diameter.  Thanks for all your input so far.
> >
> > Larry Tallant
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diy_efi mailing list
> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>



-- 
Sincerely,

Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
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From hh7x at verizon.net  Mon May 15 22:31:08 2006
From: hh7x at verizon.net (Brien Tourville)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 23:31:08 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Propane Vehicle - GM Research -
Message-ID: <44690F3C.31814.6DE30EE@hh7x.verizon.net>


http://www.kettering.edu/~lpgvan/SAE-LPG.html


   Brien Tourville
      NEW YORK


From llemoine at gmail.com  Tue May 16 08:59:34 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:59:34 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
In-Reply-To: <BAY19-DAV6A5BDC8CB5F0D892CE55ABAA00@phx.gbl>
References: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net>
	<BAY19-DAV424D725C91FA8F9301AA5BAA30@phx.gbl>
	<bedc2dea0605150706y5f6969ccp9f6532d9d8ab3aea@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY19-DAV6A5BDC8CB5F0D892CE55ABAA00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605160659t45bc1dfv55641c254b6c0ce0@mail.gmail.com>

I was thinking if its going to be running a distributor there wouldn't be
much need for coilpacks, nor a synch pulse.  (just fire the damn coil and
let the distributor worry about it)...   *shrugs*  hey, why not oversimplify
things ;)



On 5/16/06, WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Really?
> Pray tell...
> How else is the DIS module going to correctly synchronize the coil packs??
> WOT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lee M. Lemoine" <llemoine at gmail.com>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
>
>
> forgot about the sync pulse.  Dammit!
>
> On 5/15/06, WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Larry
> > Assuming the inline engine is using even fire 120 degree crank pinning
> > with
> > 3 pairs of identically phased running mates,(I know nothing of this old
> > girl) IMO machining a crank driven reluctor would probably be easiest.
> > Distributor triggering would be almost impossible as it runs at 1/2
> engine
> > RPM so you would need 12 evenly spaced pickup coil triggers PLUS a 10
> > degree
> > sync pulse. I guess you could add a tooth somehow to a 12 cylinder
> > distributor?? Still think a bolt on crank wheel would be easiest if you
> > are
> > dead set on using the V6 DIS
> > HTH
> > WopOnTour
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <ltallant at alltel.net>
> > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:04 PM
> > Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
> >
> >
> > > It is a 1958 Chevy 235 in-line 6.  Would it be possible to machine a
> > crank
> > > wheel and bolt it to the front pulley, or use a different type
> position
> > > sensor on the distribuor?  The other concern I have is the intake
> ports
> > on
> > > the head are siamesed, so there are only three round intake runners
> > about
> > > 2" in diameter.  Thanks for all your input so far.
> > >
> > > Larry Tallant
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Diy_efi mailing list
> > > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diy_efi mailing list
> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Lee M. Lemoine
> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
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>



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Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From glogovacs at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May 16 12:16:42 2006
From: glogovacs at yahoo.co.uk (Stevan Glogovac)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:16:42 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200 
Message-ID: <20060516171642.45717.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Guys,
   
  thank you for help.
   
  My problem is that I have to use ignition amplifier that can control dwell. My ECU is not doing it, it only signals when the amplifier can start charging coils and when the spark should be fired.
   
  I hoped I could find one that has more than one end stage in the same package... and 0-227-100-200 was my candidate, as it was used even back in 80ies... but it seems like it isn't. :(
   
  I guess I would have to use 4 single amplifiers then... 
   
  Thanks,
  NG

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 

From wopontour at hotmail.com  Tue May 16 18:06:29 2006
From: wopontour at hotmail.com (WopOnTour)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:06:29 -0600
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
References: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net><BAY19-DAV424D725C91FA8F9301AA5BAA30@phx.gbl><bedc2dea0605150706y5f6969ccp9f6532d9d8ab3aea@mail.gmail.com><BAY19-DAV6A5BDC8CB5F0D892CE55ABAA00@phx.gbl>
	<bedc2dea0605160659t45bc1dfv55641c254b6c0ce0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY19-DAV63309BFB98BA95B0291B2BAA00@phx.gbl>

LML
If you look at the subject line and initial post, the question was how to 
add DIS to the existing engine. My post was based on that assumption.
WopOnTour

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lee M. Lemoine" <llemoine at gmail.com>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1


I was thinking if its going to be running a distributor there wouldn't be
much need for coilpacks, nor a synch pulse.  (just fire the damn coil and
let the distributor worry about it)...   *shrugs*  hey, why not oversimplify
things ;)



On 5/16/06, WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Really?
> Pray tell...
> How else is the DIS module going to correctly synchronize the coil packs??
> WOT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lee M. Lemoine" <llemoine at gmail.com>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
>
>
> forgot about the sync pulse.  Dammit!
>
> On 5/15/06, WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Larry
> > Assuming the inline engine is using even fire 120 degree crank pinning
> > with
> > 3 pairs of identically phased running mates,(I know nothing of this old
> > girl) IMO machining a crank driven reluctor would probably be easiest.
> > Distributor triggering would be almost impossible as it runs at 1/2
> engine
> > RPM so you would need 12 evenly spaced pickup coil triggers PLUS a 10
> > degree
> > sync pulse. I guess you could add a tooth somehow to a 12 cylinder
> > distributor?? Still think a bolt on crank wheel would be easiest if you
> > are
> > dead set on using the V6 DIS
> > HTH
> > WopOnTour
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <ltallant at alltel.net>
> > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:04 PM
> > Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
> >
> >
> > > It is a 1958 Chevy 235 in-line 6.  Would it be possible to machine a
> > crank
> > > wheel and bolt it to the front pulley, or use a different type
> position
> > > sensor on the distribuor?  The other concern I have is the intake
> ports
> > on
> > > the head are siamesed, so there are only three round intake runners
> > about
> > > 2" in diameter.  Thanks for all your input so far.
> > >
> > > Larry Tallant
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Diy_efi mailing list
> > > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diy_efi mailing list
> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Lee M. Lemoine
> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Sincerely,

Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
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From five10man at commspeed.net  Tue May 16 19:28:08 2006
From: five10man at commspeed.net (Tom Visel)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:28:08 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
In-Reply-To: <BAY19-DAV63309BFB98BA95B0291B2BAA00@phx.gbl>
References: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net><BAY19-DAV424D725C91FA8F9301AA5BAA30@phx.gbl><bedc2dea0605150706y5f6969ccp9f6532d9d8ab3aea@mail.gmail.com><BAY19-DAV6A5BDC8CB5F0D892CE55ABAA00@phx.gbl>	<bedc2dea0605160659t45bc1dfv55641c254b6c0ce0@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY19-DAV63309BFB98BA95B0291B2BAA00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <446A6E18.5090406@commspeed.net>

Running on that assumption, a hole could be drilled in the sheet-metal 
timing cover, and a cam sensor inserted through a plain grommet to read 
a magnet for a sync pulse.  Not that DIS cares which injector is firing, 
but might as well get the easy bits out of the way.
TomV
P.S.  Aren't there dead vehicles formerly motivated by 3.1s all over 
junkyards?  Or maybe an engine builder could see his way to giving up a 
useless 3.1 crankshaft.  Whatever the source, a bit of lathe or mill 
work would result in the original crank trigger being available to bolt 
onto the front of the crank.  Just a thought.  That makes three today, 
hope I've got enough left over to recertify tonight...

WopOnTour wrote:

> LML
> If you look at the subject line and initial post, the question was how 
> to add DIS to the existing engine. My post was based on that assumption.
> WopOnTour
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee M. Lemoine" <llemoine at gmail.com>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
>
>
> I was thinking if its going to be running a distributor there wouldn't be
> much need for coilpacks, nor a synch pulse.  (just fire the damn coil and
> let the distributor worry about it)...   *shrugs*  hey, why not 
> oversimplify
> things ;)
>
>
>
> On 5/16/06, WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Really?
>> Pray tell...
>> How else is the DIS module going to correctly synchronize the coil 
>> packs??
>> WOT
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lee M. Lemoine" <llemoine at gmail.com>
>> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
>>
>>
>> forgot about the sync pulse.  Dammit!
>>
>> On 5/15/06, WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Larry
>> > Assuming the inline engine is using even fire 120 degree crank pinning
>> > with
>> > 3 pairs of identically phased running mates,(I know nothing of this 
>> old
>> > girl) IMO machining a crank driven reluctor would probably be easiest.
>> > Distributor triggering would be almost impossible as it runs at 1/2
>> engine
>> > RPM so you would need 12 evenly spaced pickup coil triggers PLUS a 10
>> > degree
>> > sync pulse. I guess you could add a tooth somehow to a 12 cylinder
>> > distributor?? Still think a bolt on crank wheel would be easiest if 
>> you
>> > are
>> > dead set on using the V6 DIS
>> > HTH
>> > WopOnTour
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <ltallant at alltel.net>
>> > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:04 PM
>> > Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
>> >
>> >
>> > > It is a 1958 Chevy 235 in-line 6.  Would it be possible to machine a
>> > crank
>> > > wheel and bolt it to the front pulley, or use a different type
>> position
>> > > sensor on the distribuor?  The other concern I have is the intake
>> ports
>> > on
>> > > the head are siamesed, so there are only three round intake runners
>> > about
>> > > 2" in diameter.  Thanks for all your input so far.
>> > >
>> > > Larry Tallant
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Diy_efi mailing list
>> > > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> > > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Diy_efi mailing list
>> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Lee M. Lemoine
>> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
>> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
>> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>


From urq at pacbell.net  Tue May 16 21:53:57 2006
From: urq at pacbell.net (urq)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:53:57 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] Early-mid 1990's Bosch BMW Motorcycle Motronic Info?
References: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net><BAY19-DAV424D725C91FA8F9301AA5BAA30@phx.gbl><bedc2dea0605150706y5f6969ccp9f6532d9d8ab3aea@mail.gmail.com><BAY19-DAV6A5BDC8CB5F0D892CE55ABAA00@phx.gbl>	<bedc2dea0605160659t45bc1dfv55641c254b6c0ce0@mail.gmail.com><BAY19-DAV63309BFB98BA95B0291B2BAA00@phx.gbl>
	<446A6E18.5090406@commspeed.net>
Message-ID: <003501c6795d$253a1240$6400a8c0@fasthp>

In the very late 1980's and early to mid-1990s BMW Motorcycles had what they 
called a Motronic system on their 4-cylinder 4 valve motorcycles.  The 
reason I say "called Motronic" is that it appears to me that the Hall 
Senders mounted to the crankshaft operate very much like points.  Does 
anyone out there have any information about this system ... basic block 
diagram and such is all I'm looking for ... or can you point me to somewhere 
I can get the info?

If someone here is in the know, I'm also interested in the evolution of the 
system since then ... did they ever go to a more conventional system that 
allowed better resolution of the crankshaft position?  K1200RS perhaps?

TIA!
Steve B
San Jose, CA (USA) 



From boucherj at prodigy.net  Tue May 16 21:54:24 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe B)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:54:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
In-Reply-To: <bedc2dea0605160659t45bc1dfv55641c254b6c0ce0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060517025424.29211.qmail@web80205.mail.yahoo.com>

Here's my thoughts on this:

First: all will require some reporgramming of the prom
for best dirvability and economy.

Easiest.  Use a Trottle Body System off something with
a GM six cylinder and the stock distributor.  There is
a very simple circuit to use with the points as the
firing signal.  But I don't have the circuit.  It's
something like a resistor and a capacitor.  Main
actions are a 15 psi pump with return line, a powerful
enough 12 volt electrical system (is the 235 a 6 volt
vehicle?), the spark signal, mounting the throttle
body.  Also using an inline speedometer speed sensor.

Somewhat harder.  As above, but retro fitting an HEI
distributor.  Don't know how on a 256.

A bunch harder.  Going with a system off one of the GM
60 degree, tuned port system with individual
injectors.  The crank position could be handled with a
laser cut plate from a computer aided drafting file.
The plate would have notches cut in the plate with the
proper spacing and sandwiched between the pulley and
harmonic balancer.  Also you wuld need slots to orient
the plate in the correct position, then use a pin of
something to lock the plate to the harmonic balancer.

I like the throttle body idea.

Joe


From wopontour at hotmail.com  Tue May 16 23:42:00 2006
From: wopontour at hotmail.com (WopOnTour)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:42:00 -0600
Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
References: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net><BAY19-DAV424D725C91FA8F9301AA5BAA30@phx.gbl><bedc2dea0605150706y5f6969ccp9f6532d9d8ab3aea@mail.gmail.com><BAY19-DAV6A5BDC8CB5F0D892CE55ABAA00@phx.gbl>	<bedc2dea0605160659t45bc1dfv55641c254b6c0ce0@mail.gmail.com><BAY19-DAV63309BFB98BA95B0291B2BAA00@phx.gbl>
	<446A6E18.5090406@commspeed.net>
Message-ID: <BAY19-DAV3BC41F65E1F419B02510FBAA10@phx.gbl>

Tom
By DIS I'm assuming the initial poster was referring to Direct Ignition 
System which was the GM acronym for the distributorless ignition system used 
by the Chevy 60 degree MFI V6 engines of that era. (90 Cutlass)
In DIS the sync notch is embedded within the VR crank sensor signal (based 
on the "7th" notch in the 6X reluctor) and used strictly for coil sequencing 
not SFI. You must be thinking of another engine that uses separate cam sync 
for SFI and 2 channels of hall-effect crank triggers for coil sequencing (eg 
C3I - Compute Command Coil Ignition used by the Buick 3.0/3.8 V6s)
WOT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Visel" <five10man at commspeed.net>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1


> Running on that assumption, a hole could be drilled in the sheet-metal 
> timing cover, and a cam sensor inserted through a plain grommet to read a 
> magnet for a sync pulse.  Not that DIS cares which injector is firing, but 
> might as well get the easy bits out of the way.
> TomV
> P.S.  Aren't there dead vehicles formerly motivated by 3.1s all over 
> junkyards?  Or maybe an engine builder could see his way to giving up a 
> useless 3.1 crankshaft.  Whatever the source, a bit of lathe or mill work 
> would result in the original crank trigger being available to bolt onto 
> the front of the crank.  Just a thought.  That makes three today, hope 
> I've got enough left over to recertify tonight...
>
> WopOnTour wrote:
>
>> LML
>> If you look at the subject line and initial post, the question was how to 
>> add DIS to the existing engine. My post was based on that assumption.
>> WopOnTour
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee M. Lemoine" <llemoine at gmail.com>
>> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
>>
>>
>> I was thinking if its going to be running a distributor there wouldn't be
>> much need for coilpacks, nor a synch pulse.  (just fire the damn coil and
>> let the distributor worry about it)...   *shrugs*  hey, why not 
>> oversimplify
>> things ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/16/06, WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Really?
>>> Pray tell...
>>> How else is the DIS module going to correctly synchronize the coil 
>>> packs??
>>> WOT
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lee M. Lemoine" <llemoine at gmail.com>
>>> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:06 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
>>>
>>>
>>> forgot about the sync pulse.  Dammit!
>>>
>>> On 5/15/06, WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Larry
>>> > Assuming the inline engine is using even fire 120 degree crank pinning
>>> > with
>>> > 3 pairs of identically phased running mates,(I know nothing of this
>>> old
>>> > girl) IMO machining a crank driven reluctor would probably be easiest.
>>> > Distributor triggering would be almost impossible as it runs at 1/2
>>> engine
>>> > RPM so you would need 12 evenly spaced pickup coil triggers PLUS a 10
>>> > degree
>>> > sync pulse. I guess you could add a tooth somehow to a 12 cylinder
>>> > distributor?? Still think a bolt on crank wheel would be easiest if
>>> you
>>> > are
>>> > dead set on using the V6 DIS
>>> > HTH
>>> > WopOnTour
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: <ltallant at alltel.net>
>>> > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 9:04 PM
>>> > Subject: [Diy_efi] dis 90 cutlass v6 3.1
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > It is a 1958 Chevy 235 in-line 6.  Would it be possible to machine a
>>> > crank
>>> > > wheel and bolt it to the front pulley, or use a different type
>>> position
>>> > > sensor on the distribuor?  The other concern I have is the intake
>>> ports
>>> > on
>>> > > the head are siamesed, so there are only three round intake runners
>>> > about
>>> > > 2" in diameter.  Thanks for all your input so far.
>>> > >
>>> > > Larry Tallant
>>> > >
>>> > > _______________________________________________
>>> > > Diy_efi mailing list
>>> > > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>> > > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>> > >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Diy_efi mailing list
>>> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Lee M. Lemoine
>>> http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
>>> '06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
>>> '93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Diy_efi mailing list
>>> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
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From niche at iinet.net.au  Wed May 17 02:24:01 2006
From: niche at iinet.net.au (Mike)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:24:01 +0800
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200 
In-Reply-To: <20060516171642.45717.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20060516171642.45717.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060517152117.02cc6510@203.0.178.192>

I'm doing an uprated RB30 ignition module and toyed
with doing a dwell adjust, worked out an easy way to
do it along with auto retard for turbo boost, but decided to
keep it simple so first one will go out on market only
as upgrade with a couple of diagnostic functions. The old
unit by Nissan/Hitachi looks like a transistor but is an
IC in a To-3 can with back emf control but loses 1.5 to 2v
saturation plus it has a slightly variable response time.
Depending on how things go I might add a timer-control
chip to provide some dwell adjust for ECUs that dont offer it,
mine at present does its the Skyline/RB30 ECU with Bosch/Hitachi
innards...

Rgds

mike


At 01:16 AM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>Guys,
>   
>  thank you for help.
>   
>  My problem is that I have to use ignition amplifier that can control dwell. My ECU is not doing it, it only signals when the amplifier can start charging coils and when the spark should be fired.
>   
>  I hoped I could find one that has more than one end stage in the same package... and 0-227-100-200 was my candidate, as it was used even back in 80ies... but it seems like it isn't. :(
>   
>  I guess I would have to use 4 single amplifiers then... 
>   
>  Thanks,
>  NG
>
>Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 
>_______________________________________________
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Regards from


Mike
Perth, Western Australia
VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
http://niche.iinet.net.au


From krawczuk at dodo.com.au  Wed May 17 06:14:24 2006
From: krawczuk at dodo.com.au (mark krawczuk)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:44:24 +0930
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200 
References: <20060516171642.45717.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060517152117.02cc6510@203.0.178.192>
Message-ID: <000801c679a3$0e0de6a0$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>

hi,   you sure it isnt a  powr transistor  ?

cause  in the manual  i am pretty sure it tells u how to check it, and it 
mentions  c,b and e ?
mark k


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200


> I'm doing an uprated RB30 ignition module and toyed
> with doing a dwell adjust, worked out an easy way to
> do it along with auto retard for turbo boost, but decided to
> keep it simple so first one will go out on market only
> as upgrade with a couple of diagnostic functions. The old
> unit by Nissan/Hitachi looks like a transistor but is an
> IC in a To-3 can with back emf control but loses 1.5 to 2v
> saturation plus it has a slightly variable response time.
> Depending on how things go I might add a timer-control
> chip to provide some dwell adjust for ECUs that dont offer it,
> mine at present does its the Skyline/RB30 ECU with Bosch/Hitachi
> innards...
>
> Rgds
>
> mike
>
>
> At 01:16 AM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>Guys,
>>
>>  thank you for help.
>>
>>  My problem is that I have to use ignition amplifier that can control 
>> dwell. My ECU is not doing it, it only signals when the amplifier can 
>> start charging coils and when the spark should be fired.
>>
>>  I hoped I could find one that has more than one end stage in the same 
>> package... and 0-227-100-200 was my candidate, as it was used even back 
>> in 80ies... but it seems like it isn't. :(
>>
>>  I guess I would have to use 4 single amplifiers then...
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  NG
>>
>>Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>_______________________________________________
>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>
>
> Regards from
>
>
> Mike
> Perth, Western Australia
> VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
> Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
> http://niche.iinet.net.au
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi 



From niche at iinet.net.au  Wed May 17 06:30:20 2006
From: niche at iinet.net.au (Mike)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:30:20 +0800
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200 
In-Reply-To: <000801c679a3$0e0de6a0$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>
References: <20060516171642.45717.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060517152117.02cc6510@203.0.178.192>
	<000801c679a3$0e0de6a0$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060517192152.037800f0@203.0.178.192>

At 07:14 PM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>hi,   you sure it isnt a  powr transistor  ?
>
>cause  in the manual  i am pretty sure it tells u how to check it, and it mentions  c,b and e ?

Yeah these are external reference pins which one can use to make
"some" tests however,  the reason its more than a power transistor is:-

a.  It has a back emf zener or MOV inherent in the package
b.  The input (b) has a pre amp of sorts, its input current is far
     less than any npn power transistor for activation.
c.  The input of a normal power transistor pulls as much current
     as it can into a voltage drop of one diode, the RB30 device
     can accept a variable 3 to 10v input without pulling more than
     a few milliamps and still function.
d.  There is an input zener of sorts as well around 12 to 14volts
e.  Its Vsat is about one to two times a diode drop higher than
     a properly biased power transistor. This may be part of the
     coil back emf snubbing, I'm not sure but its not power transistor
     behaviour as a general rule etc.

Having said that, there may be more than one type from the
last 25 years. All the units I have seen have an input voltage
much higher than a diode drop for fully on operation.

btw: I'm interested which manual are you referring to ?

Rgds

mike



>mark k
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
>To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
>
>
>>I'm doing an uprated RB30 ignition module and toyed
>>with doing a dwell adjust, worked out an easy way to
>>do it along with auto retard for turbo boost, but decided to
>>keep it simple so first one will go out on market only
>>as upgrade with a couple of diagnostic functions. The old
>>unit by Nissan/Hitachi looks like a transistor but is an
>>IC in a To-3 can with back emf control but loses 1.5 to 2v
>>saturation plus it has a slightly variable response time.
>>Depending on how things go I might add a timer-control
>>chip to provide some dwell adjust for ECUs that dont offer it,
>>mine at present does its the Skyline/RB30 ECU with Bosch/Hitachi
>>innards...
>>
>>Rgds
>>
>>mike
>>
>>
>>At 01:16 AM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>Guys,
>>>
>>> thank you for help.
>>>
>>> My problem is that I have to use ignition amplifier that can control dwell. My ECU is not doing it, it only signals when the amplifier can start charging coils and when the spark should be fired.
>>>
>>> I hoped I could find one that has more than one end stage in the same package... and 0-227-100-200 was my candidate, as it was used even back in 80ies... but it seems like it isn't. :(
>>>
>>> I guess I would have to use 4 single amplifiers then...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> NG
>>>
>>>Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>>
>>Regards from
>>
>>
>>Mike
>>Perth, Western Australia
>>VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>_______________________________________________
>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi 
>
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Regards from


Mike
Perth, Western Australia
VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
http://niche.iinet.net.au


From krawczuk at dodo.com.au  Wed May 17 06:58:43 2006
From: krawczuk at dodo.com.au (mark krawczuk)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:28:43 +0930
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200 
References: <20060516171642.45717.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060517152117.02cc6510@203.0.178.192><000801c679a3$0e0de6a0$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060517192152.037800f0@203.0.178.192>
Message-ID: <000b01c679a9$3f507830$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>

hi, i just went out in the cold shed, and on page 96 of the gregorys manual. 
it even  says it sa  power transistor .....

mark k



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200


> At 07:14 PM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>hi,   you sure it isnt a  powr transistor  ?
>>
>>cause  in the manual  i am pretty sure it tells u how to check it, and it 
>>mentions  c,b and e ?
>
> Yeah these are external reference pins which one can use to make
> "some" tests however,  the reason its more than a power transistor is:-
>
> a.  It has a back emf zener or MOV inherent in the package
> b.  The input (b) has a pre amp of sorts, its input current is far
>     less than any npn power transistor for activation.
> c.  The input of a normal power transistor pulls as much current
>     as it can into a voltage drop of one diode, the RB30 device
>     can accept a variable 3 to 10v input without pulling more than
>     a few milliamps and still function.
> d.  There is an input zener of sorts as well around 12 to 14volts
> e.  Its Vsat is about one to two times a diode drop higher than
>     a properly biased power transistor. This may be part of the
>     coil back emf snubbing, I'm not sure but its not power transistor
>     behaviour as a general rule etc.
>
> Having said that, there may be more than one type from the
> last 25 years. All the units I have seen have an input voltage
> much higher than a diode drop for fully on operation.
>
> btw: I'm interested which manual are you referring to ?
>
> Rgds
>
> mike
>
>
>
>>mark k
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
>>To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
>>
>>
>>>I'm doing an uprated RB30 ignition module and toyed
>>>with doing a dwell adjust, worked out an easy way to
>>>do it along with auto retard for turbo boost, but decided to
>>>keep it simple so first one will go out on market only
>>>as upgrade with a couple of diagnostic functions. The old
>>>unit by Nissan/Hitachi looks like a transistor but is an
>>>IC in a To-3 can with back emf control but loses 1.5 to 2v
>>>saturation plus it has a slightly variable response time.
>>>Depending on how things go I might add a timer-control
>>>chip to provide some dwell adjust for ECUs that dont offer it,
>>>mine at present does its the Skyline/RB30 ECU with Bosch/Hitachi
>>>innards...
>>>
>>>Rgds
>>>
>>>mike
>>>
>>>
>>>At 01:16 AM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>>Guys,
>>>>
>>>> thank you for help.
>>>>
>>>> My problem is that I have to use ignition amplifier that can control 
>>>> dwell. My ECU is not doing it, it only signals when the amplifier can 
>>>> start charging coils and when the spark should be fired.
>>>>
>>>> I hoped I could find one that has more than one end stage in the same 
>>>> package... and 0-227-100-200 was my candidate, as it was used even back 
>>>> in 80ies... but it seems like it isn't. :(
>>>>
>>>> I guess I would have to use 4 single amplifiers then...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> NG
>>>>
>>>>Send instant messages to your online friends 
>>>>http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards from
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>
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>
>
> Regards from
>
>
> Mike
> Perth, Western Australia
> VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
> Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
> http://niche.iinet.net.au
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From geoff_h at smartchat.net.au  Wed May 17 07:27:56 2006
From: geoff_h at smartchat.net.au (Geoff Harrison)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:27:56 +1000
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
References: <20060516171642.45717.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060517152117.02cc6510@203.0.178.192><000801c679a3$0e0de6a0$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp><6.2.3.4.0.20060517192152.037800f0@203.0.178.192>
	<000b01c679a9$3f507830$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>
Message-ID: <002f01c679ad$55bd24c0$8505443d@fred>

Many power transistors have an internal emitter resistor, a 
resistive network
on the base, with zenner diode over-voltage protection, and a 
flyback diode
from collector to emitter. TV horizontal output transistors are 
just one example.
Some are also Darlington. I think that is what you have.

Mike, has the device any id on it? If Japanese, will be 2SCXXXX 
etc. I may have
specs on it.

Cheers,
Geoff

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mark krawczuk" <krawczuk at dodo.com.au>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200


> hi, i just went out in the cold shed, and on page 96 of the 
> gregorys manual. it even  says it sa  power transistor .....
> mark k
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 
> 0-227-100-200
>
>
>> At 07:14 PM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>hi,   you sure it isnt a  powr transistor  ?
>>>
>>>cause  in the manual  i am pretty sure it tells u how to 
>>>check it, and it mentions  c,b and e ?
>>
>> Yeah these are external reference pins which one can use to 
>> make
>> "some" tests however,  the reason its more than a power 
>> transistor is:-
>>
>> a.  It has a back emf zener or MOV inherent in the package
>> b.  The input (b) has a pre amp of sorts, its input current 
>> is far
>>     less than any npn power transistor for activation.
>> c.  The input of a normal power transistor pulls as much 
>> current
>>     as it can into a voltage drop of one diode, the RB30 
>> device
>>     can accept a variable 3 to 10v input without pulling more 
>> than
>>     a few milliamps and still function.
>> d.  There is an input zener of sorts as well around 12 to 
>> 14volts
>> e.  Its Vsat is about one to two times a diode drop higher 
>> than
>>     a properly biased power transistor. This may be part of 
>> the
>>     coil back emf snubbing, I'm not sure but its not power 
>> transistor
>>     behaviour as a general rule etc.
>>
>> Having said that, there may be more than one type from the
>> last 25 years. All the units I have seen have an input 
>> voltage
>> much higher than a diode drop for fully on operation.
>>
>> btw: I'm interested which manual are you referring to ?
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>>
>>>mark k
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" 
>>><niche at iinet.net.au>
>>>To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:54 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 
>>>0-227-100-200
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm doing an uprated RB30 ignition module and toyed
>>>>with doing a dwell adjust, worked out an easy way to
>>>>do it along with auto retard for turbo boost, but decided to
>>>>keep it simple so first one will go out on market only
>>>>as upgrade with a couple of diagnostic functions. The old
>>>>unit by Nissan/Hitachi looks like a transistor but is an
>>>>IC in a To-3 can with back emf control but loses 1.5 to 2v
>>>>saturation plus it has a slightly variable response time.
>>>>Depending on how things go I might add a timer-control
>>>>chip to provide some dwell adjust for ECUs that dont offer 
>>>>it,
>>>>mine at present does its the Skyline/RB30 ECU with 
>>>>Bosch/Hitachi
>>>>innards...
>>>>
>>>>Rgds
>>>>
>>>>mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 01:16 AM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>>>Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you for help.
>>>>>
>>>>> My problem is that I have to use ignition amplifier that 
>>>>> can control dwell. My ECU is not doing it, it only signals 
>>>>> when the amplifier can start charging coils and when the 
>>>>> spark should be fired.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hoped I could find one that has more than one end stage 
>>>>> in the same package... and 0-227-100-200 was my candidate, 
>>>>> as it was used even back in 80ies... but it seems like it 
>>>>> isn't. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess I would have to use 4 single amplifiers then...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> NG
>>>>>
>>>>>Send instant messages to your online friends 
>>>>>http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Regards from
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>>VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>>http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>>
>> Regards from
>>
>>
>> Mike
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>> Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>> http://niche.iinet.net.au
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diy_efi mailing list
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From niche at iinet.net.au  Wed May 17 07:52:23 2006
From: niche at iinet.net.au (Mike)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:52:23 +0800
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
In-Reply-To: <002f01c679ad$55bd24c0$8505443d@fred>
References: <20060516171642.45717.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060517152117.02cc6510@203.0.178.192>
	<000801c679a3$0e0de6a0$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060517192152.037800f0@203.0.178.192>
	<000b01c679a9$3f507830$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>
	<002f01c679ad$55bd24c0$8505443d@fred>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060517203909.02cc6d50@203.0.178.192>

On the TO-3 body it has  "6513" in black print

On the aluminium bracket which its attached
to it has the Hitachi symbol and the numbers punched
"22020 - 42L10" and below that
"HANSH/N PRT-200"

It would be of some interest what the manufacturer's specs are
but have an improved module in the works with higher strike volts
and about 10% more power out and some diagnostic functions, the
replacement modules new from wholesale are around $120 to $159ea
which is naturally overprices but havent heard of an alternative so
decided to make one from up to date components and provide
some diagnostics, ie "Pretty leds that do certain things" tm


At 08:27 PM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>Many power transistors have an internal emitter resistor, a resistive network
>on the base, with zenner diode over-voltage protection, and a flyback diode
>from collector to emitter. TV horizontal output transistors are just one example.
>Some are also Darlington. I think that is what you have.
>
>Mike, has the device any id on it? If Japanese, will be 2SCXXXX etc. I may have
>specs on it.
>
>Cheers,
>Geoff
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "mark krawczuk" <krawczuk at dodo.com.au>
>To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
>
>
>>hi, i just went out in the cold shed, and on page 96 of the gregorys manual. it even  says it sa  power transistor .....
>>mark k
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
>>To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:00 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
>>
>>
>>>At 07:14 PM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>>hi,   you sure it isnt a  powr transistor  ?
>>>>
>>>>cause  in the manual  i am pretty sure it tells u how to check it, and it mentions  c,b and e ?
>>>
>>>Yeah these are external reference pins which one can use to make
>>>"some" tests however,  the reason its more than a power transistor is:-
>>>
>>>a.  It has a back emf zener or MOV inherent in the package
>>>b.  The input (b) has a pre amp of sorts, its input current is far
>>>    less than any npn power transistor for activation.
>>>c.  The input of a normal power transistor pulls as much current
>>>    as it can into a voltage drop of one diode, the RB30 device
>>>    can accept a variable 3 to 10v input without pulling more than
>>>    a few milliamps and still function.
>>>d.  There is an input zener of sorts as well around 12 to 14volts
>>>e.  Its Vsat is about one to two times a diode drop higher than
>>>    a properly biased power transistor. This may be part of the
>>>    coil back emf snubbing, I'm not sure but its not power transistor
>>>    behaviour as a general rule etc.
>>>
>>>Having said that, there may be more than one type from the
>>>last 25 years. All the units I have seen have an input voltage
>>>much higher than a diode drop for fully on operation.
>>>
>>>btw: I'm interested which manual are you referring to ?
>>>
>>>Rgds
>>>
>>>mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>mark k
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
>>>>To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:54 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm doing an uprated RB30 ignition module and toyed
>>>>>with doing a dwell adjust, worked out an easy way to
>>>>>do it along with auto retard for turbo boost, but decided to
>>>>>keep it simple so first one will go out on market only
>>>>>as upgrade with a couple of diagnostic functions. The old
>>>>>unit by Nissan/Hitachi looks like a transistor but is an
>>>>>IC in a To-3 can with back emf control but loses 1.5 to 2v
>>>>>saturation plus it has a slightly variable response time.
>>>>>Depending on how things go I might add a timer-control
>>>>>chip to provide some dwell adjust for ECUs that dont offer it,
>>>>>mine at present does its the Skyline/RB30 ECU with Bosch/Hitachi
>>>>>innards...
>>>>>
>>>>>Rgds
>>>>>
>>>>>mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At 01:16 AM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>>>>Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thank you for help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My problem is that I have to use ignition amplifier that can control dwell. My ECU is not doing it, it only signals when the amplifier can start charging coils and when the spark should be fired.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I hoped I could find one that has more than one end stage in the same package... and 0-227-100-200 was my candidate, as it was used even back in 80ies... but it seems like it isn't. :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess I would have to use 4 single amplifiers then...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>NG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards from
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>>>VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>>>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>>>http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards from
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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Perth, Western Australia
VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
http://niche.iinet.net.au


From niche at iinet.net.au  Wed May 17 07:53:44 2006
From: niche at iinet.net.au (Mike)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:53:44 +0800
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200 
In-Reply-To: <000b01c679a9$3f507830$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>
References: <20060516171642.45717.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060517152117.02cc6510@203.0.178.192>
	<000801c679a3$0e0de6a0$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060517192152.037800f0@203.0.178.192>
	<000b01c679a9$3f507830$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060517205257.02cc8950@203.0.178.192>

At 07:58 PM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>hi, i just went out in the cold shed, and on page 96 of the gregorys manual. it even  says it sa  power transistor .....

Think its classic case of over-simplification.

As Geoff mentioned there are other components attached to a basic
power transistor - that makes it an IC in my book,

mike



>mark k
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
>To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
>
>
>>At 07:14 PM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>hi,   you sure it isnt a  powr transistor  ?
>>>
>>>cause  in the manual  i am pretty sure it tells u how to check it, and it mentions  c,b and e ?
>>
>>Yeah these are external reference pins which one can use to make
>>"some" tests however,  the reason its more than a power transistor is:-
>>
>>a.  It has a back emf zener or MOV inherent in the package
>>b.  The input (b) has a pre amp of sorts, its input current is far
>>    less than any npn power transistor for activation.
>>c.  The input of a normal power transistor pulls as much current
>>    as it can into a voltage drop of one diode, the RB30 device
>>    can accept a variable 3 to 10v input without pulling more than
>>    a few milliamps and still function.
>>d.  There is an input zener of sorts as well around 12 to 14volts
>>e.  Its Vsat is about one to two times a diode drop higher than
>>    a properly biased power transistor. This may be part of the
>>    coil back emf snubbing, I'm not sure but its not power transistor
>>    behaviour as a general rule etc.
>>
>>Having said that, there may be more than one type from the
>>last 25 years. All the units I have seen have an input voltage
>>much higher than a diode drop for fully on operation.
>>
>>btw: I'm interested which manual are you referring to ?
>>
>>Rgds
>>
>>mike
>>
>>
>>
>>>mark k
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
>>>To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:54 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm doing an uprated RB30 ignition module and toyed
>>>>with doing a dwell adjust, worked out an easy way to
>>>>do it along with auto retard for turbo boost, but decided to
>>>>keep it simple so first one will go out on market only
>>>>as upgrade with a couple of diagnostic functions. The old
>>>>unit by Nissan/Hitachi looks like a transistor but is an
>>>>IC in a To-3 can with back emf control but loses 1.5 to 2v
>>>>saturation plus it has a slightly variable response time.
>>>>Depending on how things go I might add a timer-control
>>>>chip to provide some dwell adjust for ECUs that dont offer it,
>>>>mine at present does its the Skyline/RB30 ECU with Bosch/Hitachi
>>>>innards...
>>>>
>>>>Rgds
>>>>
>>>>mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 01:16 AM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>>>Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>>thank you for help.
>>>>>
>>>>>My problem is that I have to use ignition amplifier that can control dwell. My ECU is not doing it, it only signals when the amplifier can start charging coils and when the spark should be fired.
>>>>>
>>>>>I hoped I could find one that has more than one end stage in the same package... and 0-227-100-200 was my candidate, as it was used even back in 80ies... but it seems like it isn't. :(
>>>>>
>>>>>I guess I would have to use 4 single amplifiers then...
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>NG
>>>>>
>>>>>Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Regards from
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>>VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>>http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>>
>>Regards from
>>
>>
>>Mike
>>Perth, Western Australia
>>VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>_______________________________________________
>>Diy_efi mailing list
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Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
http://niche.iinet.net.au


From geoff_h at smartchat.net.au  Wed May 17 08:33:00 2006
From: geoff_h at smartchat.net.au (Geoff Harrison)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:33:00 +1000
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
References: <20060516171642.45717.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060517152117.02cc6510@203.0.178.192><000801c679a3$0e0de6a0$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp><6.2.3.4.0.20060517192152.037800f0@203.0.178.192><000b01c679a9$3f507830$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>
	<6.2.3.4.0.20060517205257.02cc8950@203.0.178.192>
Message-ID: <003701c679b6$6b1c8dc0$8505443d@fred>

Mike,
Nothing in my manuals on 6513, possibly OEM part no.

Geoff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200


> At 07:58 PM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>hi, i just went out in the cold shed, and on page 96 of the 
>>gregorys manual. it even  says it sa  power transistor .....
> Think its classic case of over-simplification.
>
> As Geoff mentioned there are other components attached to a 
> basic
> power transistor - that makes it an IC in my book,
>
> mike
>
>
>
>>mark k
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
>>To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:00 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 
>>0-227-100-200
>>
>>
>>>At 07:14 PM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>>hi,   you sure it isnt a  powr transistor  ?
>>>>
>>>>cause  in the manual  i am pretty sure it tells u how to 
>>>>check it, and it mentions  c,b and e ?
>>>
>>>Yeah these are external reference pins which one can use to 
>>>make
>>>"some" tests however,  the reason its more than a power 
>>>transistor is:-
>>>
>>>a.  It has a back emf zener or MOV inherent in the package
>>>b.  The input (b) has a pre amp of sorts, its input current 
>>>is far
>>>    less than any npn power transistor for activation.
>>>c.  The input of a normal power transistor pulls as much 
>>>current
>>>    as it can into a voltage drop of one diode, the RB30 
>>> device
>>>    can accept a variable 3 to 10v input without pulling more 
>>> than
>>>    a few milliamps and still function.
>>>d.  There is an input zener of sorts as well around 12 to 
>>>14volts
>>>e.  Its Vsat is about one to two times a diode drop higher 
>>>than
>>>    a properly biased power transistor. This may be part of 
>>> the
>>>    coil back emf snubbing, I'm not sure but its not power 
>>> transistor
>>>    behaviour as a general rule etc.
>>>
>>>Having said that, there may be more than one type from the
>>>last 25 years. All the units I have seen have an input 
>>>voltage
>>>much higher than a diode drop for fully on operation.
>>>
>>>btw: I'm interested which manual are you referring to ?
>>>
>>>Rgds
>>>
>>>mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>mark k
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" 
>>>><niche at iinet.net.au>
>>>>To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:54 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 
>>>>0-227-100-200
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm doing an uprated RB30 ignition module and toyed
>>>>>with doing a dwell adjust, worked out an easy way to
>>>>>do it along with auto retard for turbo boost, but decided 
>>>>>to
>>>>>keep it simple so first one will go out on market only
>>>>>as upgrade with a couple of diagnostic functions. The old
>>>>>unit by Nissan/Hitachi looks like a transistor but is an
>>>>>IC in a To-3 can with back emf control but loses 1.5 to 2v
>>>>>saturation plus it has a slightly variable response time.
>>>>>Depending on how things go I might add a timer-control
>>>>>chip to provide some dwell adjust for ECUs that dont offer 
>>>>>it,
>>>>>mine at present does its the Skyline/RB30 ECU with 
>>>>>Bosch/Hitachi
>>>>>innards...
>>>>>
>>>>>Rgds
>>>>>
>>>>>mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At 01:16 AM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>>>>Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thank you for help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My problem is that I have to use ignition amplifier that 
>>>>>>can control dwell. My ECU is not doing it, it only signals 
>>>>>>when the amplifier can start charging coils and when the 
>>>>>>spark should be fired.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I hoped I could find one that has more than one end stage 
>>>>>>in the same package... and 0-227-100-200 was my candidate, 
>>>>>>as it was used even back in 80ies... but it seems like it 
>>>>>>isn't. :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess I would have to use 4 single amplifiers then...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>NG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Send instant messages to your online friends 
>>>>>>http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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>>>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>>>Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards from
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>>>VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>>>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>>>http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Diy_efi mailing list
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>Regards from
>>>
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>Perth, Western Australia
>>>VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>http://niche.iinet.net.au
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>>
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>
> Regards from
>
>
> Mike
> Perth, Western Australia
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> Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
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From torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu  Wed May 17 11:51:19 2006
From: torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_Forsman?=)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:51:19 +0200
Subject: [Diy_efi] Early-mid 1990's Bosch BMW Motorcycle Motronic Info?
In-Reply-To: <003501c6795d$253a1240$6400a8c0@fasthp>
References: <20060515030439.NSQE23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@webmail-relay.alltel.net><BAY19-DAV424D725C91FA8F9301AA5BAA30@phx.gbl><bedc2dea0605150706y5f6969ccp9f6532d9d8ab3aea@mail.gmail.com><BAY19-DAV6A5BDC8CB5F0D892CE55ABAA00@phx.gbl>	<bedc2dea0605160659t45bc1dfv55641c254b6c0ce0@mail.gmail.com><BAY19-DAV63309BFB98BA95B0291B2BAA00@phx.gbl>	<446A6E18.5090406@commspeed.net>
	<003501c6795d$253a1240$6400a8c0@fasthp>
Message-ID: <446B5487.9090202@gengas.nu>

Many systems from the mid 80's have a crankshaft sensor that gives just 
one or two impulses for each revolution to the ECU. Usually, that 
impulse is located 45 ? BTDC or something, i.e. slightly before the 
earliest possible ignition timing. I have no experience of Motronic 
systems before about 1987 but it is very likely that those earlier 
Motronic use the same signalling as Bosch's microprocessor controlled 
ignition systems of that age (for example, EZ-L and EZ-K).
One easy way to check if it really is a Motronic system is to read the 
Bosch part number of the ECU. If it begins with 0 261, then it is a 
Motronic system. Injection-only (Jetronic) systems begin with 0 280, and 
ignition-only (EZ-x) begin with 0 227.

Best regards

Torbj?rn Forsman

urq wrote:
> In the very late 1980's and early to mid-1990s BMW Motorcycles had what 
> they called a Motronic system on their 4-cylinder 4 valve motorcycles.  
> The reason I say "called Motronic" is that it appears to me that the 
> Hall Senders mounted to the crankshaft operate very much like points.  
> Does anyone out there have any information about this system ... basic 
> block diagram and such is all I'm looking for ... or can you point me to 
> somewhere I can get the info?
> 
> If someone here is in the know, I'm also interested in the evolution of 
> the system since then ... did they ever go to a more conventional system 
> that allowed better resolution of the crankshaft position?  K1200RS 
> perhaps?
> 
> TIA!
> Steve B
> San Jose, CA (USA)
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From torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu  Wed May 17 12:00:02 2006
From: torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_Forsman?=)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:00:02 +0200
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
In-Reply-To: <003701c679b6$6b1c8dc0$8505443d@fred>
References: <20060516171642.45717.qmail@web25307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060517152117.02cc6510@203.0.178.192><000801c679a3$0e0de6a0$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp><6.2.3.4.0.20060517192152.037800f0@203.0.178.192><000b01c679a9$3f507830$6baef0dc@marka7e6m8swbp>	<6.2.3.4.0.20060517205257.02cc8950@203.0.178.192>
	<003701c679b6$6b1c8dc0$8505443d@fred>
Message-ID: <446B5692.70606@gengas.nu>

The power stage of most ignition amplifiers from mid-70's to today is a 
darlington power transistor, usually with an integrated C-B zener diode 
to force turning on the transistor in case of too high transient 
voltages. In some cases, an emitter resistor and current limiting 
circuitry might be located on the same chip (and then, it becomes 
relevant to talk about an IC).
Some semiconductor manufacturers market IGBTs and Mosfets for ignition 
applications, but i am not sure where those might be used.

Best regards

Torbj?rn Forsman


Geoff Harrison wrote:
> Mike,
> Nothing in my manuals on 6513, possibly OEM part no.
> 
> Geoff
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
> 
> 
>> At 07:58 PM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>
>>> hi, i just went out in the cold shed, and on page 96 of the gregorys 
>>> manual. it even  says it sa  power transistor .....
>>
>> Think its classic case of over-simplification.
>>
>> As Geoff mentioned there are other components attached to a basic
>> power transistor - that makes it an IC in my book,
>>
>> mike
>>
>>
>>
>>> mark k
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
>>> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
>>>
>>>
>>>> At 07:14 PM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi,   you sure it isnt a  powr transistor  ?
>>>>>
>>>>> cause  in the manual  i am pretty sure it tells u how to check it, 
>>>>> and it mentions  c,b and e ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah these are external reference pins which one can use to make
>>>> "some" tests however,  the reason its more than a power transistor is:-
>>>>
>>>> a.  It has a back emf zener or MOV inherent in the package
>>>> b.  The input (b) has a pre amp of sorts, its input current is far
>>>>    less than any npn power transistor for activation.
>>>> c.  The input of a normal power transistor pulls as much current
>>>>    as it can into a voltage drop of one diode, the RB30 device
>>>>    can accept a variable 3 to 10v input without pulling more than
>>>>    a few milliamps and still function.
>>>> d.  There is an input zener of sorts as well around 12 to 14volts
>>>> e.  Its Vsat is about one to two times a diode drop higher than
>>>>    a properly biased power transistor. This may be part of the
>>>>    coil back emf snubbing, I'm not sure but its not power transistor
>>>>    behaviour as a general rule etc.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, there may be more than one type from the
>>>> last 25 years. All the units I have seen have an input voltage
>>>> much higher than a diode drop for fully on operation.
>>>>
>>>> btw: I'm interested which manual are you referring to ?
>>>>
>>>> Rgds
>>>>
>>>> mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> mark k
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <niche at iinet.net.au>
>>>>> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:54 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm doing an uprated RB30 ignition module and toyed
>>>>>> with doing a dwell adjust, worked out an easy way to
>>>>>> do it along with auto retard for turbo boost, but decided to
>>>>>> keep it simple so first one will go out on market only
>>>>>> as upgrade with a couple of diagnostic functions. The old
>>>>>> unit by Nissan/Hitachi looks like a transistor but is an
>>>>>> IC in a To-3 can with back emf control but loses 1.5 to 2v
>>>>>> saturation plus it has a slightly variable response time.
>>>>>> Depending on how things go I might add a timer-control
>>>>>> chip to provide some dwell adjust for ECUs that dont offer it,
>>>>>> mine at present does its the Skyline/RB30 ECU with Bosch/Hitachi
>>>>>> innards...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rgds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 01:16 AM 5/17/06, you wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thank you for help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My problem is that I have to use ignition amplifier that can 
>>>>>>> control dwell. My ECU is not doing it, it only signals when the 
>>>>>>> amplifier can start charging coils and when the spark should be 
>>>>>>> fired.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hoped I could find one that has more than one end stage in the 
>>>>>>> same package... and 0-227-100-200 was my candidate, as it was 
>>>>>>> used even back in 80ies... but it seems like it isn't. :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess I would have to use 4 single amplifiers then...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> NG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send instant messages to your online friends 
>>>>>>> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>>>> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards from
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>>>>> VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>>>> Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>>>> http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>>> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Diy_efi mailing list
>>>>> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards from
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>>> VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>>>> Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>>>> http://niche.iinet.net.au
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Diy_efi mailing list
>>>> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Diy_efi mailing list
>>> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards from
>>
>>
>> Mike
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> VL Commodore Fuse Rail that wont warp or melt !
>> Twin tyres for most sedans, trikes and motorcycle sidecars
>> http://niche.iinet.net.au
>> _______________________________________________
>> Diy_efi mailing list
>> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi 
> 
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From j_holland at btopenworld.com  Thu May 18 12:08:02 2006
From: j_holland at btopenworld.com (ENSEMBLE J-HOLLAND)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:08:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Diy_efi] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20060518170802.13658.qmail@web86609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:00:02 +0200
From: Torbj?rn Forsman <torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu>
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Message-ID: <446B5692.70606 at gengas.nu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

The power stage of most ignition amplifiers from mid-70's to today is a 
darlington power transistor, usually with an integrated C-B zener diode 
to force turning on the transistor in case of too high transient 
voltages. In some cases, an emitter resistor and current limiting 
circuitry might be located on the same chip (and then, it becomes 
relevant to talk about an IC).
Some semiconductor manufacturers market IGBTs and Mosfets for ignition 
applications, but i am not sure where those might be used.

Best regards

Torbj?rn Forsman


   
  Bosch used to publish a technical manual on electronic ignition systems, inside they published schematics for their system(s) and that showed the output transistor as a Darlington pair. The manual I saw was in a college library back in 1998/9 but was out of print. I have seen IGBTs marketed for ignition systems on small 2 strokes.


From torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu  Thu May 18 14:13:29 2006
From: torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_Forsman?=)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:13:29 +0200
Subject: [Diy_efi] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20060518170802.13658.qmail@web86609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20060518170802.13658.qmail@web86609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <446CC759.1080805@gengas.nu>

A datasheet for a typical ignition darlington can be found here:
http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/1008.pdf

Best regards

Torbj?rn Forsman

ENSEMBLE J-HOLLAND wrote:
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:00:02 +0200
> From: Torbj?rn Forsman <torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu>
> Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
> To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> Message-ID: <446B5692.70606 at gengas.nu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> The power stage of most ignition amplifiers from mid-70's to today is a 
> darlington power transistor, usually with an integrated C-B zener diode 
> to force turning on the transistor in case of too high transient 
> voltages. In some cases, an emitter resistor and current limiting 
> circuitry might be located on the same chip (and then, it becomes 
> relevant to talk about an IC).
> Some semiconductor manufacturers market IGBTs and Mosfets for ignition 
> applications, but i am not sure where those might be used.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Torbj?rn Forsman
> 
> 
>    
>   Bosch used to publish a technical manual on electronic ignition systems, inside they published schematics for their system(s) and that showed the output transistor as a Darlington pair. The manual I saw was in a college library back in 1998/9 but was out of print. I have seen IGBTs marketed for ignition systems on small 2 strokes.
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From mdacmail at optusnet.com.au  Fri May 19 02:27:32 2006
From: mdacmail at optusnet.com.au (mdacmail at optusnet.com.au)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:27:32 +1000
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE:Ignition amplifier Bosch 0-227-100-200
Message-ID: <200605190727.k4J7RWxM008977@mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au>

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From juha.niinikoski at sitecno.fi  Fri May 19 12:58:21 2006
From: juha.niinikoski at sitecno.fi (Juha Niinikoski)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:58:21 +0300
Subject: [Diy_efi] Ignition IGBTs
Message-ID: <446E073D.70607@sitecno.fi>

IGBTs designed for ignition use are extremely easy to use. Active 
snubber circuit included and logic level drive. This is my old 
experimental DIS ignition project where I used IGBTs.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/juha.niinikoski/DIS/Dis.htm

Juha


From tsokorai at xperts.cl  Fri May 19 14:09:24 2006
From: tsokorai at xperts.cl (Tomas J. Sokorai Sch.)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:09:24 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM 2.8/3.1 DIS ignition bench stimulation,
	the software solution
Message-ID: <200605191509.25493.tsokorai@xperts.cl>

Just in case somebody else needs this info in the future:

The answer to my questions if a PC soundcard output was enough to trigger a GM 
2.8/3.1 "6+1" (6 each 60deg appart & sync at +10deg) trigger pattern DIS module, 
is :  yes!

The module requires quite a strong trigger signal.
Mine started sparking at almost the full volume of my laptop's earphones 
output.
I wrote a quick, dirty and ugly program (C, Linux, ALSA, GPL) to generate the 
pulse pattern at (near) any desired simulated RPM. If anybody wants it, its 
at:
http://www.sokorai.cl/GMcrank_sim.c

So, the reason my module is not working in my retrofit, is because the BMW TDC 
sensor is not able to produce strong enough pulses.
I think a little opamp circuit can help me to solve this.

-- 
Tomas J. Sokorai Sch.


From don.broadus at exeloncorp.com  Fri May 19 14:38:24 2006
From: don.broadus at exeloncorp.com (don.broadus at exeloncorp.com)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:38:24 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Ignition IGBTs
Message-ID: <F4F253665838734F841C5B2C63B72F941ACA0F@CCCMSXCH01.energy.power.corp>

Great web site. Good job on the DIS system very well done.

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
Behalf Of Juha Niinikoski
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 12:58 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: [Diy_efi] Ignition IGBTs


IGBTs designed for ignition use are extremely easy to use. Active 
snubber circuit included and logic level drive. This is my old 
experimental DIS ignition project where I used IGBTs.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/juha.niinikoski/DIS/Dis.htm

Juha
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From wopontour at hotmail.com  Fri May 19 14:52:08 2006
From: wopontour at hotmail.com (WopOnTour)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:52:08 -0600
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM 2.8/3.1 DIS ignition bench stimulation,
	the software solution
References: <200605191509.25493.tsokorai@xperts.cl>
Message-ID: <BAY19-DAV652D8700CB210FC20573DBAA70@phx.gbl>

Cool
Anyway to be able to convert it to a *.wav file so it could be used with 
Virgins Sound Card Signal Generator???
Thanks for sharing your work!
Regards
WopOnTour

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tomas J. Sokorai Sch." <tsokorai at xperts.cl>
To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>; <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM 2.8/3.1 DIS ignition bench stimulation,the software 
solution


> Just in case somebody else needs this info in the future:
>
> The answer to my questions if a PC soundcard output was enough to trigger 
> a GM
> 2.8/3.1 "6+1" (6 each 60deg appart & sync at +10deg) trigger pattern DIS 
> module,
> is :  yes!
>
> The module requires quite a strong trigger signal.
> Mine started sparking at almost the full volume of my laptop's earphones
> output.
> I wrote a quick, dirty and ugly program (C, Linux, ALSA, GPL) to generate 
> the
> pulse pattern at (near) any desired simulated RPM. If anybody wants it, 
> its
> at:
> http://www.sokorai.cl/GMcrank_sim.c
>
> So, the reason my module is not working in my retrofit, is because the BMW 
> TDC
> sensor is not able to produce strong enough pulses.
> I think a little opamp circuit can help me to solve this.
>
> -- 
> Tomas J. Sokorai Sch.
> _______________________________________________
> Diy_efi mailing list
> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> 


From wopontour at hotmail.com  Fri May 19 14:58:57 2006
From: wopontour at hotmail.com (WopOnTour)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:58:57 -0600
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM 2.8/3.1 DIS ignition bench stimulation,
	the software solution
References: <200605191509.25493.tsokorai@xperts.cl>
Message-ID: <BAY19-DAV4FD76DC5AC6C24BCFB340BAA70@phx.gbl>

hahahaha damn spelling checkers
That's Virtens not Virgins LOL
http://www.virtins.com/page2.html#Signal%20Generator
WOT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tomas J. Sokorai Sch." <tsokorai at xperts.cl>
To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>; <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM 2.8/3.1 DIS ignition bench stimulation,the software 
solution


> Just in case somebody else needs this info in the future:
>
> The answer to my questions if a PC soundcard output was enough to trigger 
> a GM
> 2.8/3.1 "6+1" (6 each 60deg appart & sync at +10deg) trigger pattern DIS 
> module,
> is :  yes!
>
> The module requires quite a strong trigger signal.
> Mine started sparking at almost the full volume of my laptop's earphones
> output.
> I wrote a quick, dirty and ugly program (C, Linux, ALSA, GPL) to generate 
> the
> pulse pattern at (near) any desired simulated RPM. If anybody wants it, 
> its
> at:
> http://www.sokorai.cl/GMcrank_sim.c
>
> So, the reason my module is not working in my retrofit, is because the BMW 
> TDC
> sensor is not able to produce strong enough pulses.
> I think a little opamp circuit can help me to solve this.
>
> -- 
> Tomas J. Sokorai Sch.
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From llemoine at gmail.com  Fri May 19 15:37:43 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:37:43 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM 2.8/3.1 DIS ignition bench stimulation,
	the software solution
In-Reply-To: <BAY19-DAV4FD76DC5AC6C24BCFB340BAA70@phx.gbl>
References: <200605191509.25493.tsokorai@xperts.cl>
	<BAY19-DAV4FD76DC5AC6C24BCFB340BAA70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605191337g3290b775mfa4307424600f122@mail.gmail.com>

lol,  good thing it doesn't work in spell checkers ;)



On 5/19/06, WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> hahahaha damn spelling checkers
> That's Virtens not Virgins LOL
> http://www.virtins.com/page2.html#Signal%20Generator
> WOT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tomas J. Sokorai Sch." <tsokorai at xperts.cl>
> To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>; <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 1:09 PM
> Subject: [Diy_efi] GM 2.8/3.1 DIS ignition bench stimulation,the software
> solution
>
>
> > Just in case somebody else needs this info in the future:
> >
> > The answer to my questions if a PC soundcard output was enough to
> trigger
> > a GM
> > 2.8/3.1 "6+1" (6 each 60deg appart & sync at +10deg) trigger pattern DIS
> > module,
> > is :  yes!
> >
> > The module requires quite a strong trigger signal.
> > Mine started sparking at almost the full volume of my laptop's earphones
> > output.
> > I wrote a quick, dirty and ugly program (C, Linux, ALSA, GPL) to
> generate
> > the
> > pulse pattern at (near) any desired simulated RPM. If anybody wants it,
> > its
> > at:
> > http://www.sokorai.cl/GMcrank_sim.c
> >
> > So, the reason my module is not working in my retrofit, is because the
> BMW
> > TDC
> > sensor is not able to produce strong enough pulses.
> > I think a little opamp circuit can help me to solve this.
> >
> > --
> > Tomas J. Sokorai Sch.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Diy_efi mailing list
> > Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> > http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
> >
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http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From boucherj at prodigy.net  Sun May 21 08:54:23 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe Boucher)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 08:54:23 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Electrically erasable proms
In-Reply-To: <bedc2dea0605191337g3290b775mfa4307424600f122@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDMEPOEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>

In the Transtonics web site, they claim there are electrically erasable prom
chips which are direct replacements for the 27C256 and 27C512 uv erasable
eeproms.  http://xtronics.com/memory/efi_ecu_faq.htm

Yet, when I pull down the fact sheets for the Atmel 29C512 fact sheet, there
are no chips made in the dip format which will fit the GM memcal.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,

Joe B.



From skishop69 at yahoo.com  Sun May 21 12:11:02 2006
From: skishop69 at yahoo.com (Bret Levandowski)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:11:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Diy_efi] Electrically erasable proms
In-Reply-To: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDMEPOEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <20060521171102.20051.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>

Are you speaking of the memcal as in the calpack or something like the older 747 ECM? If you're talking the older 747 style, you need to modify it with a chip socket to accomodate the EEPROM. Then you will need to re-address the chip when burning it. 
  JW at  www.customefis.com does these conversions and transfers the bin from your old PROM. I think it's around $75.    Ski

Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
  In the Transtonics web site, they claim there are electrically erasable prom
chips which are direct replacements for the 27C256 and 27C512 uv erasable
eeproms. http://xtronics.com/memory/efi_ecu_faq.htm

Yet, when I pull down the fact sheets for the Atmel 29C512 fact sheet, there
are no chips made in the dip format which will fit the GM memcal.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,

Joe B.

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From scoutii76 at hotmail.com  Sun May 21 13:16:13 2006
From: scoutii76 at hotmail.com (Bill USN-1)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:16:13 +0200
Subject: [Diy_efi] Electrically erasable proms
In-Reply-To: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDMEPOEFAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV16037E91D86AB6BAB50F9FB0A50@phx.gbl>

I use the Moates adapter and burner.
Cost about $110 for everything and there is no more erasing 2732's!!

I also run a separate 7747 with the romulator zip tied to it.
Then I can do all my real time programming, then when done, just download
the bin and burn it on a chip.


I think Moates has an All-in-one now too.

Bill
USN-1


-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Boucher
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 3:54 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: [Diy_efi] Electrically erasable proms

In the Transtonics web site, they claim there are electrically erasable prom
chips which are direct replacements for the 27C256 and 27C512 uv erasable
eeproms.  http://xtronics.com/memory/efi_ecu_faq.htm

Yet, when I pull down the fact sheets for the Atmel 29C512 fact sheet, there
are no chips made in the dip format which will fit the GM memcal.

Am I missing something?

Thanks,

Joe B.

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From torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu  Sun May 21 16:23:52 2006
From: torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_Forsman?=)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:23:52 +0200
Subject: [Diy_efi] Electrically erasable proms
In-Reply-To: <20060521171102.20051.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060521171102.20051.qmail@web60314.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4470DA68.5060503@gengas.nu>

Flash eproms in dip package have been manufactured for many years and by 
many manufacturers, but it is possible that some of them now consider 
the dip package obsolete.
Anyway, there are many other manufacturers than Atmel that make flash 
eproms, for instance Spansion (formerly AMD and Fujitsu), ST 
Microelectronics, Intel.
Such flash eproms are available at electronics surplus vendors, and they 
can be salvaged from various scrapped electronic equipment (for 
instance: 486-class PC motherboards, fax machines, printers, dial-up 
modems, satellite tv receivers).

Best regards

Torbj?rn Forsman



Bret Levandowski wrote:
> Are you speaking of the memcal as in the calpack or something like the older 747 ECM? If you're talking the older 747 style, you need to modify it with a chip socket to accomodate the EEPROM. Then you will need to re-address the chip when burning it. 
>   JW at  www.customefis.com does these conversions and transfers the bin from your old PROM. I think it's around $75.    Ski
> 
> Joe Boucher <boucherj at prodigy.net> wrote:
>   In the Transtonics web site, they claim there are electrically erasable prom
> chips which are direct replacements for the 27C256 and 27C512 uv erasable
> eeproms. http://xtronics.com/memory/efi_ecu_faq.htm
> 
> Yet, when I pull down the fact sheets for the Atmel 29C512 fact sheet, there
> are no chips made in the dip format which will fit the GM memcal.
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe B.
> 
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From tsokorai at xperts.cl  Mon May 22 09:36:13 2006
From: tsokorai at xperts.cl (Tomas J. Sokorai Sch.)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:36:13 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] GM 2.8/3.1 DIS ignition bench stimulation,
	the software solution
In-Reply-To: <BAY19-DAV652D8700CB210FC20573DBAA70@phx.gbl>
References: <200605191509.25493.tsokorai@xperts.cl>
	<BAY19-DAV652D8700CB210FC20573DBAA70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200605221036.13441.tsokorai@xperts.cl>

On Friday 19 May 2006 15:52, WopOnTour wrote:
> Cool
> Anyway to be able to convert it to a *.wav file so it could be used with
> Virgins Sound Card Signal Generator???

I'll do a Windows WAVfile-only generator version today if I get some free time 
here at the office.

-- 
Tomas J. Sokorai Sch.


From j_holland at btopenworld.com  Mon May 22 11:33:42 2006
From: j_holland at btopenworld.com (ENSEMBLE J-HOLLAND)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:33:42 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Diy_efi] Ignition IGBTs
Message-ID: <20060522163342.29933.qmail@web86609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:58:21 +0300
From: Juha Niinikoski <juha.niinikoski at sitecno.fi>
Subject: [Diy_efi] Ignition IGBTs
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Message-ID: <446E073D.70607 at sitecno.fi>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

IGBTs designed for ignition use are extremely easy to use. Active 
snubber circuit included and logic level drive. This is my old 
experimental DIS ignition project where I used IGBTs.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/juha.niinikoski/DIS/Dis.htm

Juha

   
  Thats a nice project. Dd the 410 run any better with that system, I've thought for a long time that the 410 would be an ideal project for a programmable ignition. Here in the UK the 410 only had a centrifugal advance which is a bit archaic. Maximum advance was 25degs. Other markets got a vacuum advancer with 30degs max but I don't believe they had a centrifugal advance as well. Also IIRC the stock timing is setup for a relatively low octane fuel (our basic unleaded is 95RON). A common mod here is to drop in the electronic setup from the SJ413 and swing the timing forward a few degrees
  Cheers
  James



From torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu  Fri May 26 15:25:45 2006
From: torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_Forsman?=)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:25:45 +0200
Subject: [Diy_efi] Nippondenso / Toyota TCCS
Message-ID: <44776449.5010307@gengas.nu>

The Nippondenso ECUs used by Toyota in the late eighties use to have a 
mask rom microcontroller that only bears a ND part number. Does anyone 
have a clue what kind of microcontroller it really is?

Some observations:
42-pin DIL package.
Date code with one digit for the year, one letter for the month and then 
four random digits. I.e. 6K4711 for a unit which is made in late 1986.
VCC on pins 20, 41 and 42, GND on pin 21. Reset pin 3, active low. Clock 
crystal (12,0 MHz) between pins 15 and 16.

Best regards

Torbj?rn Forsman


From dirtrider218 at hotmail.com  Sat May 27 12:54:58 2006
From: dirtrider218 at hotmail.com (John Smith1882)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:54:58 -0700
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nippondenso / Toyota TCCS
In-Reply-To: <BAY0-MC2-F1YAPNXRPm002d4df0@bay0-mc2-f1.bay0.hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-F2201BE8B0720EBE6174A11979F0@phx.gbl>


I don't know, but do you (or anyone else) have that number on the 
microprocessor?

Did this semi-anonymous numbering system continue past the late '80s? I have 
a '94 Toyota pickup and would be interested for curiosity's sake.


>Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:25:45 +0200
>From: Torbj?rn Forsman <torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu>
>Subject: [Diy_efi] Nippondenso / Toyota TCCS
>To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
>Message-ID: <44776449.5010307 at gengas.nu>
>
>The Nippondenso ECUs used by Toyota in the late eighties use to have a
>mask rom microcontroller that only bears a ND part number. Does anyone
>have a clue what kind of microcontroller it really is?
>
>Best regards
>
>Torbj?rn Forsman




From boucherj at prodigy.net  Sat May 27 19:59:01 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe Boucher)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 19:59:01 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Six cylinder vs. eight cylinder TBI wiring harness.
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F2201BE8B0720EBE6174A11979F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAEHBEGAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>

A new junkyard near by has decent prices and the cars aren't all stripped.
While there are no Chevy full sized trucks later than '86, there are a bunch
of S-10's from '87 to '92.

I can't see much different from a V-6 or V-8 wiring harness.  And I mean
both have two injector harnesses with the same basic distributor and all
other sensors.  Isn't' it?

Thanks,

Joe B.



From mos at sydney.net  Sun May 28 02:45:05 2006
From: mos at sydney.net (Mos)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:45:05 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Diy_efi] RE: Nippondenso / Toyota TCCS
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-F2201BE8B0720EBE6174A11979F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY105-F2201BE8B0720EBE6174A11979F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0605281737420.12596@churchill.sydneywerks.com.au>

John,

I believe it did. 90s ECUs of all sorts use this ND numbering system. For
instance in an instrument cluster the only IC I was able to find a
datasheet for was an 8pin serial eeprom, everything else was proprietary.

Torbj?rn,

There was somebody some time ago who posted that he had been involved, at
a very indepth level, in reverse engineering the toyota ECUs. The team had
gone as far as X-raying the ICs to see what was in them, and their
conclusion was that they were batches made to order by a particular
manufacturer - they found logos on the silicon but I can't remember who
they were. I also remember him mentioning that some may have had the
silicon turned around 90 degrees in the package to change the micros
pinout and make it more difficult to work out the actual micro.

My memory of exact detail is frail but you may be able to search for it in
some way...

Sorry not much help.. but a lead I hope..

Mos.

-- 
1991 MX83Gr 2JZ-GTE, 2000 IS200SpLux, Sydney, Oz.


On Sat, 27 May 2006, John Smith1882 wrote:

>
> I don't know, but do you (or anyone else) have that number on the
> microprocessor?
>
> Did this semi-anonymous numbering system continue past the late '80s? I have
> a '94 Toyota pickup and would be interested for curiosity's sake.
>
>
> >Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:25:45 +0200
> >From: Torbj?rn Forsman <torbjorn.forsman at gengas.nu>
> >Subject: [Diy_efi] Nippondenso / Toyota TCCS
> >To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> >Message-ID: <44776449.5010307 at gengas.nu>
> >
> >The Nippondenso ECUs used by Toyota in the late eighties use to have a
> >mask rom microcontroller that only bears a ND part number. Does anyone
> >have a clue what kind of microcontroller it really is?
> >
> >Best regards
> >
> >Torbj?rn Forsman
>
>
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From efi at dyakron.com  Sun May 28 07:20:39 2006
From: efi at dyakron.com (Mike V)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 08:20:39 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Six cylinder vs. eight cylinder TBI wiring
  harness.
In-Reply-To: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAEHBEGAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
References: <BAY105-F2201BE8B0720EBE6174A11979F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20060528082013.033ffec0@dyakron.com>

Hi Joe,
sound right.  I can't think of any gotchas.
mv

At 07:59 PM 5/27/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>I can't see much different from a V-6 or V-8 wiring harness.  And I mean
>both have two injector harnesses with the same basic distributor and all
>other sensors.  Isn't' it?



From llemoine at gmail.com  Sun May 28 07:42:08 2006
From: llemoine at gmail.com (Lee M. Lemoine)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 08:42:08 -0400
Subject: [Diy_efi] Six cylinder vs. eight cylinder TBI wiring harness.
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20060528082013.033ffec0@dyakron.com>
References: <BAY105-F2201BE8B0720EBE6174A11979F0@phx.gbl>
	<FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDAEHBEGAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20060528082013.033ffec0@dyakron.com>
Message-ID: <bedc2dea0605280542v76c28622r5ebbcd6524f25872@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, same basic distributor and other sensors, only thing that will be
different in the ECM is the cylinder count...  (and obviously the crank
trigger will be a bit different also).   All the other sensors should be the
same, excepting perhaps emissions (Some older engines used a modulated
vaccum solenoid EGR valve while others had a digital EGR system which was
entirely electrical.  Others used AIR injection.  Either way, that's easy
enough to work around ;)

-- Lee


On 5/28/06, Mike V <efi at dyakron.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
> sound right.  I can't think of any gotchas.
> mv
>
> At 07:59 PM 5/27/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >I can't see much different from a V-6 or V-8 wiring harness.  And I mean
> >both have two injector harnesses with the same basic distributor and all
> >other sensors.  Isn't' it?
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
Sincerely,

Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)


From boucherj at prodigy.net  Sun May 28 08:07:42 2006
From: boucherj at prodigy.net (Joe Boucher)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 08:07:42 -0500
Subject: [Diy_efi] Six cylinder vs. eight cylinder TBI wiring harness.
In-Reply-To: <bedc2dea0605280542v76c28622r5ebbcd6524f25872@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCEMJBLIAFAJNGDCOAGDGEHGEGAA.boucherj@prodigy.net>

I have an eight cylinder 747 ECM. No wiring harness to go with it.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org]On
Behalf Of Lee M. Lemoine
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 7:42 AM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] Six cylinder vs. eight cylinder TBI wiring
harness.


Yes, same basic distributor and other sensors, only thing that will be
different in the ECM is the cylinder count...  (and obviously the crank
trigger will be a bit different also).   All the other sensors should be the
same, excepting perhaps emissions (Some older engines used a modulated
vaccum solenoid EGR valve while others had a digital EGR system which was
entirely electrical.  Others used AIR injection.  Either way, that's easy
enough to work around ;)

-- Lee


On 5/28/06, Mike V <efi at dyakron.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
> sound right.  I can't think of any gotchas.
> mv
>
> At 07:59 PM 5/27/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >I can't see much different from a V-6 or V-8 wiring harness.  And I mean
> >both have two injector harnesses with the same basic distributor and all
> >other sensors.  Isn't' it?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Diy_efi at diy-efi.org
> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/diy_efi
>



--
Sincerely,

Lee M. Lemoine
http://www.turbochargedsoul.com/
'06 Subaru Legacy GT Limited - 250/250 AWD 5EAT
'93 Chevy Cavalier Z24 Convertible - 300/330 FWD 5MT (Mclaren Turbo!)
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From skishop69 at yahoo.com  Wed May 31 19:28:28 2006
From: skishop69 at yahoo.com (Bret Levandowski)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:28:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Diy_efi] Megasquirt 2  Thoughts, Comments?
Message-ID: <20060601002829.33350.qmail@web60320.mail.yahoo.com>

Just curious if anyone out there has used this set-up. The write-ups are all very positive. I have a new project going and will need custom control but $275 seems too good for a stand alone system. Let's hear it!
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