From undrcvr_camaro at yahoo.com Thu Sep 1 19:05:19 2005 From: undrcvr_camaro at yahoo.com (A Murphy) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Syty] All wheel drive suspension Message-ID: <20050902000519.49785.qmail@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Is the suspension parts the same on the All wheel drive Typhoon as the 4 wheel drive Jimmy? Also where is the best place to buy suspension parts? Thanks, Andrew ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From loeryder at swbell.net Thu Sep 1 19:54:43 2005 From: loeryder at swbell.net (Jason Granger) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Syty] All wheel drive suspension In-Reply-To: <20050902000519.49785.qmail@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050902005443.15755.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com> Bushings, ball joints and such are the same yes. The Typhoon and Syclone have different spring rate torsion bars, as well as lowered torsion bar keys. Although control arms and spindles are still the same. --- A Murphy wrote: > Hi, > Is the suspension parts the same on the All wheel > drive Typhoon as the 4 wheel drive Jimmy? > Also where is the best place to buy suspension > parts? > Thanks, > Andrew > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > Jas' 92 Typhoon #2407 www.sytyauthority.net From SR7TYONE at aol.com Thu Sep 1 20:13:39 2005 From: SR7TYONE at aol.com (SR7TYONE at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:13:39 EDT Subject: [Syty] Tires Message-ID: Tires.... so what are everyones favorites? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I just got my new server built and online and I'm still working out a few bugs with the mail feature so you may not receive a confirmation e-mail with your password when you register. If not, you can zing me an e-mail and I'll set you up manually. best of all...IT'S FREE!!!! =p Anyway, http://hellcatracing.kicks-ass.net Kenneth R Zink II H.A.S.T.E. Member # S1 (www.H-A-S-T-E.com) '01 Chevy S-10 Ext. Cab '85 Chevy S-10 Blazer (FireStorm) ...soon to be 461 Olds powered!!! Racing by the Grace of God!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050902/d7c0f413/attachment.html From theodore.metzing at verizon.net Fri Sep 2 14:53:23 2005 From: theodore.metzing at verizon.net (Ted Metzing) Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 15:53:23 -0400 Subject: [Syty] AVON tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4318ADB3.3060300@verizon.net> I use the Nitto 450 Extreme tires and they're great! Lots of grip and cost about $90 a tire for stock size. Ted Metzing 93 TY #0190 SR7TYONE at aol.com wrote: > Has anyone Tried those AVON tires? i took a Ride in a friends Sti > in the pouring rain, i was really impressed > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Syty mailing list >Syty at syty.org >http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050902/8a315ff2/attachment.html From rebel_racer_ta at yahoo.com Sat Sep 3 15:15:47 2005 From: rebel_racer_ta at yahoo.com (W M) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover Message-ID: <20050903201548.48584.qmail@web35515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Where could one purchase the key to the cover of the lug nuts for a Typhoon? I don't have to key to remove the cover of the factory wheels. Will ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From marc at bendbroadband.com Sat Sep 3 18:27:16 2005 From: marc at bendbroadband.com (Marc) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:27:16 -0700 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover References: <20050903201548.48584.qmail@web35515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901c5b0df$059f03b0$35b1e4d8@yourus67pi6luv> WM: Been a long time since I thought about your problem but I believe there is a code in you glove compartment that designates your wheel lock key. It is made by McGard @ 800-444-5847 or 716-662-8980. If someone on the list does not verify that this is true I will check my Sy. Let me know. Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "W M" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover > Hi, > Where could one purchase the key to the cover of the > lug nuts for a Typhoon? I don't have to key to remove > the cover of the factory wheels. > > Will > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty From jabbatruck at gmail.com Sun Sep 4 00:01:27 2005 From: jabbatruck at gmail.com (Jabba Truck) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover In-Reply-To: <000901c5b0df$059f03b0$35b1e4d8@yourus67pi6luv> References: <20050903201548.48584.qmail@web35515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000901c5b0df$059f03b0$35b1e4d8@yourus67pi6luv> Message-ID: Around 1997, a tire changer stripped the center cap key to my Syclone. McGard replaced it under their lifetime warranty. I sent them the old key and they shipped me a new replacement. I think the cost would have been $10 or so if I didn't send the old one. BTW, I am at least the fourth owner of the truck and there didn't appear to be any original purchaser only restrictions. As I recall, if I didn't have the old key, I could have sent a pencil tracing of the pattern so they could identify the proper replacement. BTW, the tire guy that stripped the key did so when I was trying to have a flat repaired. Discount Tire had a kit that enabled them to remove the lock without damaging it, but only one person in the shop knew the kit existed and knew how to use it. It looked sort of like a center punch with the same diameter as the head of the lock. The tip was made of a soft metal, perhaps lead. They lined it up and hit it with a hammer to pick up the pattern of the lock, then turned it with a wrench. It only took a couple of minutes, and had quite acceptable results. On 9/3/05, Marc wrote: > > WM: > Been a long time since I thought about your problem but I believe there is > a > code in you glove compartment that designates your wheel lock key. It is > made by McGard @ 800-444-5847 or 716-662-8980. If someone on the list does > not verify that this is true I will check my Sy. > Let me know. > > Marc > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W M" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:15 PM > Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover > > > > Hi, > > Where could one purchase the key to the cover of the > > lug nuts for a Typhoon? I don't have to key to remove > > the cover of the factory wheels. > > > > Will > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Syty mailing list > > Syty at syty.org > > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From seravilo at netzero.net Sun Sep 4 12:36:40 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:36:40 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover References: <20050904151242.62684.qmail@web35501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c5b177$378058f0$a99d5841@coresys1> Drilling 'em out would not be necessary when you could GRIND LATERAL SLOTS in the tops of each boltface, whereby each fastener could then be removed with a #4 flathead screwdriver. As long as you're not going to undergo competition-level micro-inspections or live in a high-crime area (or have as many enemies as I do) you could run like that forever! Besides, you would still have lock-lugs on each wheel for basic security.... Somebody did that to Syclone #773 and if you wanna buy those 4 McGard bolts you can have 'em plenty cheap. But, beware... if you ever want to REPLACE those custom bolts/key (as I eventually did) prepare to get ripped-off royally for a total upwards of $125 from GM Parts as they no longer can get proper SyTy bolts (#24033001) but only those longer, heavier jobs for a Corvette (#10097588). Nor can/will McGard help out with the bolts (#03717... originally for $28/set) anymore; however, you might be able to get a Key-Adapter (#04261) for about $10 if you can properly identify the pattern.... Personally, I think it's all hype and show-biz. I don't think there are any unique key-lock patterns... they just say that to make you think you're in an actual secure situation when it's really all ONE BIG HOAX! Based on my experience in this area 4 years ago, I believe there's only ONE bolthead pattern for both Corvettes and SyTys and thus only one style of Key-Adapter! Give it a try... risk $10 and a li'l time (in case you have to exchange Keys): Call up "Annette" at McGard @ (800) 444-5847 and flat out order a #04261 Key-Adapter without a lot of paranoia and detail... no digital photos or penciled head-tracings. Then see if the thing doesn't WORK right outta the box after it arrives! Betcha it does.... Good luck, Dennis O. P.S. I'm getting my stopwatch out and see how long it takes Jim Sloan or the Bully or one amongst that Bunch to dispute any of these statements... ready... set... GO! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: W M To: syty at syty.org Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover Thanks for the info! Thought for sure I'd have to drill them out... Will __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050904/f93900c7/attachment.html From Mr2879sy at aol.com Sun Sep 4 14:24:27 2005 From: Mr2879sy at aol.com (Mr2879sy at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 15:24:27 EDT Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover Message-ID: <1ab.3ea7a46e.304ca3eb@aol.com> In a message dated 9/4/2005 12:37:18 PM Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: > P.S. I'm getting my stopwatch out and see how long it takes Jim Sloan or > the Bully or one amongst that Bunch to dispute any of these statements... > ready... set... GO! Dennis Your on the right track. I've only seen two different keys with 12 different trucks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050904/f0788fd2/attachment.html From Bullyhart at aol.com Sun Sep 4 20:23:26 2005 From: Bullyhart at aol.com (Bullyhart at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:23:26 EDT Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover Message-ID: <60.5cee7a92.304cf80e@aol.com> We could get into your lack of credibility, but I think it speaks for itself. Take a look back and read my posts Dennis, I took issue with your lack of tact and your lack of respect. Daron In a message dated 9/4/2005 12:37:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: P.S. I'm getting my stopwatch out and see how long it takes Jim Sloan or the Bully or one amongst that Bunch to dispute any of these statements... ready... set... GO! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050904/3f9c3ab6/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Mon Sep 5 07:01:17 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:01:17 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover References: <60.5cee7a92.304cf80e@aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01c5b211$873e4380$a89d5841@coresys1> And NEVER was it said lack of tact & respect better targeted! Get over yourself! D.O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Bullyhart at aol.com To: seravilo at netzero.net ; rebel_racer_ta at yahoo.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover We could get into your lack of credibility, but I think it speaks for itself. Take a look back and read my posts Dennis, I took issue with your lack of tact and your lack of respect. Daron In a message dated 9/4/2005 12:37:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: P.S. I'm getting my stopwatch out and see how long it takes Jim Sloan or the Bully or one amongst that Bunch to dispute any of these statements... ready... set... GO! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050905/cdc5a88e/attachment.html From leroy at sunflower.com Mon Sep 5 07:55:32 2005 From: leroy at sunflower.com (Jim Sloan) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:55:32 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover In-Reply-To: <1ab.3ea7a46e.304ca3eb@aol.com> Message-ID: <200509051255.j85Ctfgl031610@smtp.sunflower.com> I have 3 different keys. You can stop the watch! lol Jim _____ From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of Mr2879sy at aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 2:24 PM To: seravilo at netzero.net Cc: syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover In a message dated 9/4/2005 12:37:18 PM Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: P.S. I'm getting my stopwatch out and see how long it takes Jim Sloan or the Bully or one amongst that Bunch to dispute any of these statements... ready... set... GO! Dennis Your on the right track. I've only seen two different keys with 12 different trucks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050905/116f8a78/attachment.html From leroy at sunflower.com Mon Sep 5 08:15:15 2005 From: leroy at sunflower.com (Jim Sloan) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:15:15 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200509051315.j85DFPoP000507@smtp.sunflower.com> The last time my key wouldn't work to remove the cover, I welded a 1/2" drive socket onto the end of the key. Then I hooked up the impact hammer and easily removed it. Just another option if you get in a pinch. Jim _____ From: Mr2879sy at aol.com [mailto:Mr2879sy at aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:58 AM To: leroy at sunflower.com Cc: syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover In a message dated 9/5/2005 7:56:19 AM Central Daylight Time, leroy at sunflower.com writes: I have 3 different keys. You can stop the watch! lol Jim hay Jim, Going through some of my PAS documents and found a blueprint for the key. It's say's that there is one master key to be held at the chevy dealer and a multiple of key's. If you could buy the master key - which seems strange or shall i say "how day do that" you would be in like flint. Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050905/528ccd70/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Mon Sep 5 08:22:58 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:22:58 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover References: Message-ID: <002f01c5b21c$f01825f0$a89d5841@coresys1> ...and the Key Adapter I bought from GM Parts fits assorted Corvettes as well as the old disfigured bolts which came originally with the 'Clone. These Keys are simply NOT THAT UNIQUE! That seems to be the consensus. Why fool yourself(s) to the contrary...? D.O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr2879sy at aol.com To: leroy at sunflower.com Cc: syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover In a message dated 9/5/2005 7:56:19 AM Central Daylight Time, leroy at sunflower.com writes: I have 3 different keys. You can stop the watch! lol Jim hay Jim, Going through some of my PAS documents and found a blueprint for the key. It's say's that there is one master key to be held at the chevy dealer and a multiple of key's. If you could buy the master key - which seems strange or shall i say "how day do that" you would be in like flint. Marty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050905/6cd08e87/attachment.html From Mr2879sy at aol.com Wed Sep 7 06:34:11 2005 From: Mr2879sy at aol.com (Mr2879sy at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:34:11 EDT Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover Message-ID: lookie lookie there's a set on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4573860131& sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/93d2e678/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Wed Sep 7 12:43:33 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:43:33 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover References: Message-ID: <002201c5b3d3$abdaed10$ae9d5841@coresys1> FYI: I can tell you right now those eBay bolts are TOO LONG for a SyTy. True, they'll fit alright-- if you like all that extra unsprung weight to have to balance-outta your wheels & tires-- but they are the identical set I bought for a Corvette (GM #10097588) for what would be upwards of $120 today... less money for a used pair, of course. True, OEM SyTy retainer bolts are about a half-inch or so shorter. Professor Syclonicus -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr2879sy at aol.com To: syty at syty.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover lookie lookie there's a set on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4573860131&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/5149b32f/attachment.html From Merk1993 at aol.com Wed Sep 7 12:59:38 2005 From: Merk1993 at aol.com (Merk1993 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:59:38 EDT Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover Message-ID: C'mon Dennis...let me hit the SYTY pinata If those bolts are too long, send us a picture of the correct length so we may all check for accuracy. Personally, I hate too much unsprung weight! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/2462a3d7/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Wed Sep 7 13:53:04 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:53:04 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover References: <68.5d4279c4.30508dd1@aol.com> Message-ID: <003b01c5b3dd$61c9b300$ae9d5841@coresys1> Fear not: We ALL look BRILLIANT on stuff we've just worked or are working on in detail! As for me, I currently have all 4 of my steam-cleaned/acid-etched Syclone wheels all over the house (2 in the Garage, 1 on the kitchen table, 1 in the den) where I alternatively fondle 'em and then body-paint-match their inserts. Only that advantage confers the "Ph.D. in Wheelology" I now enjoy... until the ravages of time and Alzheimers demote me to my inevitable status.... D.O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr2879sy at aol.com To: seravilo at netzero.net Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover In a message dated 9/7/2005 12:43:57 PM Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: True, OEM SyTy retainer bolts are about a half-inch or so shorter. Professor Syclonicus man that is awesome that you noticed that. I haven't seen a stock set of wheels in so long that i forgot what they looked like. marty-mj - www.syborgtwinturbo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/9fbc4dd0/attachment.html From Mr2879sy at aol.com Wed Sep 7 14:03:43 2005 From: Mr2879sy at aol.com (Mr2879sy at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:03:43 EDT Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover Message-ID: In a message dated 9/7/2005 1:53:31 PM Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: > Fear not: > > We ALL look BRILLIANT on stuff we've just worked or are working on in > detail! As for me, I currently have all 4 of my steam-cleaned/acid-etched Syclone > wheels all over the house (2 in the Garage, 1 on the kitchen table, 1 in the > den) where I alternatively fondle 'em and then body-paint-match their > inserts. Only that advantage confers the "Ph.D. in Wheelology" I now enjoy... until > the ravages of time and Alzheimers demote me to my inevitable status.... > > D.O. > that was awesome - thanks for making me laugh marty-mj - www.syborgtwinturbo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/87c33866/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Wed Sep 7 14:05:43 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:05:43 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover References: Message-ID: <004501c5b3df$2685d0b0$ae9d5841@coresys1> WHERE could I post said picture? A few years ago, we could embed all kinds of neat graphics in these e-mails, but Brian (and his Server) won't allow us that luxury anymore! I could send YOU the comparo-shot, but then all our buddies (yes, even The Bully and his handful of myrmidons!) would continue to suffer in blissful ignorance. I'm thinking maybe of that 'Site images.northeastsyty.com but I'm never sure anything actually makes the full cycle through there... or how to refer to one particular picture... not even sure how to go in and view or retrieve the Radar-Blues I already sent into that Cyberspatial Black Hole (CBH). The digital picture is already snapped.... Got any ideas on how to disseminate it? My own website has been "under construction" for nearly 5 years and so won't be of much help. D.O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Merk1993 at aol.com To: seravilo at netzero.net ; Mr2879sy at aol.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover C'mon Dennis...let me hit the SYTY pinata If those bolts are too long, send us a picture of the correct length so we may all check for accuracy. Personally, I hate too much unsprung weight! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/0db0c581/attachment.html From RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com Wed Sep 7 14:42:57 2005 From: RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com (RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:42:57 EDT Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover picture Message-ID: <79.4d308cf6.30509cc1@aol.com> Dennis forward the picture to me and I will up load it to a server and then post the address of said picture for every ones pleasure. Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/f380cfc6/attachment.html From DourtyB at missouri.edu Wed Sep 7 15:55:21 2005 From: DourtyB at missouri.edu (Dourty, Brian R. (IATS)) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:55:21 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover Message-ID: Dennis, I'd be happy to setup a picture gallery at www.syty.org, but I'll need a volunteer to MANAGE it. You up for the challenge? Brian ________________________________ From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of DOlivares Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:06 PM To: Merk1993 at aol.com; Mr2879sy at aol.com; syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover Importance: High WHERE could I post said picture? A few years ago, we could embed all kinds of neat graphics in these e-mails, but Brian (and his Server) won't allow us that luxury anymore! I could send YOU the comparo-shot, but then all our buddies (yes, even The Bully and his handful of myrmidons!) would continue to suffer in blissful ignorance. I'm thinking maybe of that 'Site images.northeastsyty.com but I'm never sure anything actually makes the full cycle through there... or how to refer to one particular picture... not even sure how to go in and view or retrieve the Radar-Blues I already sent into that Cyberspatial Black Hole (CBH). The digital picture is already snapped.... Got any ideas on how to disseminate it? My own website has been "under construction" for nearly 5 years and so won't be of much help. D.O. ________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: Merk1993 at aol.com To: seravilo at netzero.net ; Mr2879sy at aol.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover C'mon Dennis...let me hit the SYTY pinata If those bolts are too long, send us a picture of the correct length so we may all check for accuracy. Personally, I hate too much unsprung weight! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/d6cce68a/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Wed Sep 7 18:48:30 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:48:30 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover References: Message-ID: <002301c5b406$a7e28190$999d5841@coresys1> Possibly... WHAT would be involved? I ADMIT to few weaknesses, as you know, but I have to plead almost total ignorance when it comes to setting up or maintaining websites! My own www.seravilo.com has gone neglected for about 5 years now, and I've even reserved a couple of other such URLs in knee-jerk reaction.... Maybe it's time for me to learn at last! ON THE OTHER HAND, Brian, why can't we just get graphics-embedding capability as we had a few years ago...? Speak!! D.O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Dourty, Brian R. (IATS) To: DOlivares ; Merk1993 at aol.com ; Mr2879sy at aol.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: RE: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover Dennis, I'd be happy to setup a picture gallery at www.syty.org, but I'll need a volunteer to MANAGE it. You up for the challenge? Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of DOlivares Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:06 PM To: Merk1993 at aol.com; Mr2879sy at aol.com; syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover Importance: High WHERE could I post said picture? A few years ago, we could embed all kinds of neat graphics in these e-mails, but Brian (and his Server) won't allow us that luxury anymore! I could send YOU the comparo-shot, but then all our buddies (yes, even The Bully and his handful of myrmidons!) would continue to suffer in blissful ignorance. I'm thinking maybe of that 'Site images.northeastsyty.com but I'm never sure anything actually makes the full cycle through there... or how to refer to one particular picture... not even sure how to go in and view or retrieve the Radar-Blues I already sent into that Cyberspatial Black Hole (CBH). The digital picture is already snapped.... Got any ideas on how to disseminate it? My own website has been "under construction" for nearly 5 years and so won't be of much help. D.O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Merk1993 at aol.com To: seravilo at netzero.net ; Mr2879sy at aol.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover C'mon Dennis...let me hit the SYTY pinata If those bolts are too long, send us a picture of the correct length so we may all check for accuracy. Personally, I hate too much unsprung weight! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/7a0cc60a/attachment.html From RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com Wed Sep 7 19:22:16 2005 From: RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com (RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:22:16 EDT Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Image Message-ID: Here's the image Dennis wanted to share. _http://www.mhlions.com/wheellock.jpg_ (http://www.mhlions.com/wheellock.jpg) Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/fa9e151a/attachment.html From denny1213 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 7 20:35:29 2005 From: denny1213 at yahoo.com (Denny Ramharakh) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Syty] Fwd: Stumble - stalling -and sometime no start with msd 6al mostly when engine is hot Message-ID: <20050908013529.38277.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> I am having this wierd problem and I am out of ideas, been changing parts and don't know what else to change. After driving hard for an half hour or so and I come to stop, the engine would stumble and shutoff, especially if I trying to parallel park. Most of the time it would restart but have to keep my foot on the gas. Sometime if it sit hot for 10 minutes , it would not restart. This always happen when I am not home, so I haven't test for spark. If I disconnect the msd 6al box , it would start right up. I sent the 6al to MSD to have it rebuild and still the same problem. MSD tech are telling me that there might be something week in my ignition and the 6al box is amplifying it. This only start happening after I switched over to 50lb injectors / chip. So far I changed msd 6al (rebuild by msd $83) o2 tps wires (taylor- ohm test before install) cap / rotor (duralast autozone) distributor - new ignition module and pick up (this was fun, I dropped the hold down bolt in the intake) ignition coil plugs - ngkur6 Fuel pressure is good, I have a guage, battery is good too. Any ideas? My next option is to borrow or buy another msd 6al. Thanks Ty369 Denny ( 212-657-9192 * Denny.Ramharakh at citigroup.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/245c6a97/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Wed Sep 7 22:54:14 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:54:14 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Image References: Message-ID: <001f01c5b428$fb97d390$b29d5841@coresys1> Here's the rest of the data you need to interpret that photo [URL below]: The Stock Key-Lock Bolt is Forward; Its Length = 1.303" The "Corvette/Default Replacement" Bolt is Behind; Its Length = 1.781" Delta = 0.478" in favor of the longer, heavier Corvette! Damn... The Professor is RIGHT AGAIN!! [I had originally eye-balled it as "a half-inch or so"!] Dennis O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com To: SYTY at syty.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Image Here's the image Dennis wanted to share: http://www.mhlions.com/wheellock.jpg Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050907/bc51db5b/attachment.html From rickmassey at earthlink.net Thu Sep 8 04:57:12 2005 From: rickmassey at earthlink.net (Richard Massey) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 03:57:12 -0600 Subject: [Syty] RE: picture dissemination Message-ID: <410-2200594895712375@earthlink.net> There are all sorts of free picture hosting sites, such as www.photobucket.com www.pix8.net and 1/2 a billion others. photobucket is my favorite as it will downsize the pics to meet its size requirements. Pix8 also has size requirements (which are Bigger than photobucket's) but you have to downsize them yourself. If you want to share a picture, go to one of those sites, sign up for your free acct, upload you picture there, and insert the hyperlink where ever you need it, BBS, websites, email whatever. It's not 1996 anymore where you need to send it to someone with a server to host a picture anymore. > From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of > DOlivares > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:06 PM > To: Merk1993 at aol.com; Mr2879sy at aol.com; syty at syty.org > Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover > Importance: High > > > WHERE could I post said picture? > > A few years ago, we could embed all kinds of neat graphics in these > e-mails, but Brian (and his Server) won't allow us that luxury anymore! > > I could send YOU the comparo-shot, but then all our buddies (yes, even > The Bully and his handful of myrmidons!) would continue to suffer in > blissful ignorance. I'm thinking maybe of that 'Site > images.northeastsyty.com but I'm never sure anything actually makes the > full cycle through there... or how to refer to one particular picture... > not even sure how to go in and view or retrieve the Radar-Blues I > already sent into that Cyberspatial Black Hole (CBH). > > The digital picture is already snapped.... Got any ideas on how to > disseminate it? My own website has been "under construction" for nearly > 5 years and so won't be of much help. > > D.O. > ________________________________ From seravilo at netzero.net Thu Sep 8 11:03:17 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:03:17 -0500 Subject: [Syty] RE: picture dissemination References: <410-2200594895712375@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001f01c5b48e$d45e9050$979d5841@coresys1> Hear THAT, Brian...? ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Massey To: syty at syty.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:57 AM Subject: [Syty] RE: picture dissemination There are all sorts of free picture hosting sites, such as www.photobucket.com www.pix8.net and 1/2 a billion others. photobucket is my favorite as it will downsize the pics to meet its size requirements. Pix8 also has size requirements (which are Bigger than photobucket's) but you have to downsize them yourself. If you want to share a picture, go to one of those sites, sign up for your free acct, upload you picture there, and insert the hyperlink where ever you need it, BBS, websites, email whatever. It's not 1996 anymore where you need to send it to someone with a server to host a picture anymore. > From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of > DOlivares > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:06 PM > To: Merk1993 at aol.com; Mr2879sy at aol.com; syty at syty.org > Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover > Importance: High > > > WHERE could I post said picture? > > A few years ago, we could embed all kinds of neat graphics in these > e-mails, but Brian (and his Server) won't allow us that luxury anymore! > > I could send YOU the comparo-shot, but then all our buddies (yes, even > The Bully and his handful of myrmidons!) would continue to suffer in > blissful ignorance. I'm thinking maybe of that 'Site > images.northeastsyty.com but I'm never sure anything actually makes the > full cycle through there... or how to refer to one particular picture... > not even sure how to go in and view or retrieve the Radar-Blues I > already sent into that Cyberspatial Black Hole (CBH). > > The digital picture is already snapped.... Got any ideas on how to > disseminate it? My own website has been "under construction" for nearly > 5 years and so won't be of much help. > > D.O. > ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050908/8f6156fe/attachment.html From DourtyB at missouri.edu Thu Sep 8 11:14:51 2005 From: DourtyB at missouri.edu (Dourty, Brian R. (IATS)) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:14:51 -0500 Subject: [Syty] RE: picture dissemination Message-ID: Yep..I hear it. And it is exactly why I don't allow attachments. In these "not 1996" days passing large binary objects around via email isn't appropriate. It can cause the spread of viruses and puts undo stress on email servers that were not designed to pass around 5MB high resolution pictures in the first place. I'd be happy to put up a picture gallery on syty.org for use by syty.org emal list members if someone is willing to manage it. It has a nice user interface so if you can use a mouse and read you shouldn't have any trouble doing it. I just don't have the time to deal with the emails when people forget their passwords. I'll try to get it done this weekend and I'll email Dennis the info he needs to get started with it. Brian ________________________________ From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of DOlivares Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:03 AM To: rickmassey at earthlink.net; syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] RE: picture dissemination Hear THAT, Brian...? ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Massey To: syty at syty.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:57 AM Subject: [Syty] RE: picture dissemination There are all sorts of free picture hosting sites, such as www.photobucket.com www.pix8.net and 1/2 a billion others. photobucket is my favorite as it will downsize the pics to meet its size requirements. Pix8 also has size requirements (which are Bigger than photobucket's) but you have to downsize them yourself. If you want to share a picture, go to one of those sites, sign up for your free acct, upload you picture there, and insert the hyperlink where ever you need it, BBS, websites, email whatever. It's not 1996 anymore where you need to send it to someone with a server to host a picture anymore. > From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of > DOlivares > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:06 PM > To: Merk1993 at aol.com; Mr2879sy at aol.com; syty at syty.org > Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Cover > Importance: High > > > WHERE could I post said picture? > > A few years ago, we could embed all kinds of neat graphics in these > e-mails, but Brian (and his Server) won't allow us that luxury anymore! > > I could send YOU the comparo-shot, but then all our buddies (yes, even > The Bully and his handful of myrmidons!) would continue to suffer in > blissful ignorance. I'm thinking maybe of that 'Site > images.northeastsyty.com but I'm never sure anything actually makes the > full cycle through there... or how to refer to one particular picture... > not even sure how to go in and view or retrieve the Radar-Blues I > already sent into that Cyberspatial Black Hole (CBH). > > The digital picture is already snapped.... Got any ideas on how to > disseminate it? My own website has been "under construction" for nearly > 5 years and so won't be of much help. > > D.O. > ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050908/1279e055/attachment.html From funkeymonkey at CINCI.RR.COM Thu Sep 8 17:05:11 2005 From: funkeymonkey at CINCI.RR.COM (Funkey Monkey) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:05:11 -0400 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Image References: <001f01c5b428$fb97d390$b29d5841@coresys1> Message-ID: <001801c5b4c1$62b05be0$6919d118@harrison> I think you need to pat yourself on the back...... ----- Original Message ----- From: DOlivares To: SYTY at syty.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Image Here's the rest of the data you need to interpret that photo [URL below]: The Stock Key-Lock Bolt is Forward; Its Length = 1.303" The "Corvette/Default Replacement" Bolt is Behind; Its Length = 1.781" Delta = 0.478" in favor of the longer, heavier Corvette! Damn... The Professor is RIGHT AGAIN!! [I had originally eye-balled it as "a half-inch or so"!] Dennis O. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com To: SYTY at syty.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Image Here's the image Dennis wanted to share: http://www.mhlions.com/wheellock.jpg Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050908/d043599a/attachment.html From rickmassey at earthlink.net Thu Sep 8 22:37:40 2005 From: rickmassey at earthlink.net (Richard Massey) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:37:40 -0600 Subject: [Syty] RE: RE: picture dissemination Message-ID: <410-2200595933740625@earthlink.net> Example: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/AttackEagle/Copyof100_0274.jpg here's a link, plain simple and neat. It's a picture of my curent AWD turbo vehicle, though if I am correct in my hoping I'll be needing a 4 place vehicle for me, the wife amy son and someone yet to come in about < 9 months No need to attach or imbed anything, just cut and paste (or click on if you have HTML on in your email) the link. > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:14:51 -0500 > From: "Dourty, Brian R. \(IATS\)" > Subject: RE: [Syty] RE: picture dissemination > To: "DOlivares" , , > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yep..I hear it. And it is exactly why I don't allow attachments. In > these "not 1996" days passing large binary objects around via email > isn't appropriate. It can cause the spread of viruses and puts undo > stress on email servers that were not designed to pass around 5MB high > resolution pictures in the first place. I'd be happy to put up a picture > gallery on syty.org for use by syty.org emal list members if someone is > willing to manage it. It has a nice user interface so if you can use a > mouse and read you shouldn't have any trouble doing it. I just don't > have the time to deal with the emails when people forget their > passwords. I'll try to get it done this weekend and I'll email Dennis > the info he needs to get started with it. > > Brian > From jabbatruck at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 01:46:37 2005 From: jabbatruck at gmail.com (Jabba Truck) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 01:46:37 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Brake lockup Message-ID: Today nothing special happened when I drove my Syclone to lunch. When I was leaving my parking space at work to go home for the evening, it sort of felt as if I had backed into a curb, even though I was still a good six feet away. As I pulled forward, the brakes were very twitchy, and the right rear wheel screeched the tire at the slightest application of brake pedal, even when I drove just a few feet. I believe what I felt was some extra brake resistance. I hadn't set the parking brake today, but for good measure, I applied and released it a few times. It didn't make a difference. I tested the brakes a few more times in the parking lot, and the wheel locked up every time. Finally I decided to try it at speed. I pulled out of the lot and got going around 30 mph and lightly tested the brakes. They seemed to have returned to normal. I drove the rest of the way home without further incident. I suppose it couldn't hurt to inspect and bleed the brakes and purge the old fluid this weekend. Any other suggestions? Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050909/f283aac0/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Fri Sep 9 04:21:20 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 04:21:20 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Image References: <001f01c5b428$fb97d390$b29d5841@coresys1> <001801c5b4c1$62b05be0$6919d118@harrison> Message-ID: <001501c5b51f$d87d2160$ee9d5841@coresys1> Don't let The Bully (or his pair of minions) hear you say that.... Thanx, fortunately, my arms are now duly lengthened from a lifetime of engaging in the very practice you suggest! Your Humble Servant, D.O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Funkey Monkey To: DOlivares ; SYTY at syty.org Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Image I think you need to pat yourself on the back...... ----- Original Message ----- From: DOlivares To: SYTY at syty.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Wheel Lock Image Here's the rest of the data you need to interpret that photo [URL below]: The Stock Key-Lock Bolt is Forward; Its Length = 1.303" The "Corvette/Default Replacement" Bolt is Behind; Its Length = 1.781" Delta = 0.478" in favor of the longer, heavier Corvette! Damn... The Professor is RIGHT AGAIN!! [I had originally eye-balled it as "a half-inch or so"!] Dennis O. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com To: SYTY at syty.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: [Syty] Wheel Lock Image Here's the image Dennis wanted to share: http://www.mhlions.com/wheellock.jpg Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050909/5277faba/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Fri Sep 9 04:58:13 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 04:58:13 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Brake lockup References: Message-ID: <004101c5b524$ff2ac3d0$ee9d5841@coresys1> Do you have many ENEMIES at work? If so, WHOM do you suspect...? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jabba Truck To: SyTy List Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:46 AM Subject: [Syty] Brake lockup Today nothing special happened when I drove my Syclone to lunch. When I was leaving my parking space at work to go home for the evening, it sort of felt as if I had backed into a curb, even though I was still a good six feet away. As I pulled forward, the brakes were very twitchy, and the right rear wheel screeched the tire at the slightest application of brake pedal, even when I drove just a few feet. I believe what I felt was some extra brake resistance. I hadn't set the parking brake today, but for good measure, I applied and released it a few times. It didn't make a difference. I tested the brakes a few more times in the parking lot, and the wheel locked up every time. Finally I decided to try it at speed. I pulled out of the lot and got going around 30 mph and lightly tested the brakes. They seemed to have returned to normal. I drove the rest of the way home without further incident. I suppose it couldn't hurt to inspect and bleed the brakes and purge the old fluid this weekend. Any other suggestions? Jay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050909/6da061df/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Fri Sep 9 07:12:44 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:12:44 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Fwd: Stumble - stalling -and sometime no start with msd 6almostly when engine is hot References: <20050908013529.38277.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007201c5b537$ca101ed0$ee9d5841@coresys1> In my experience with "high-end" MSD boxes, they do not tolerate much ambient heat. I could run all day like a raped ape in my 'Clone in the winter! But, come summertime, I would get most of the syndrome you've described. Ever since removing my MSD 7AL-3, all such problems have VANISHED! Moreover, after chopping a HOLE in the hood (for exhausting & pressure reduction while driving... no more hood bouncing up and down either!), thereby dramatically reducing underhood temperatures, I reinstalled the MSD and Voila! No more problems... unless I run the A/C in gridlock... meaning it's probably best to mount that MSD box inside the cab... somewhere away from the ECM. I'm afraid you wasted a bit of change with those weasels at MSD since their unit's heat-sensitivity problem results from their use of cheesy parts and bad heat-sink design... all that crummy potting material! In most cases, the defective circuitry exhibits only transient, recoverable misbehavior. Best way to restart when hot: either bypass the MSD at the Coil (I use Jacobs' Ultra-Coil) or lift the hood for 5 minutes or so... or try an icebag on the MSD box. Try it and see if I'm right... assuming you've installed the MSD under your unvented hood! If it's already in the cab, please disregard all the above.... D.O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Denny Ramharakh To: SyTy List Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:35 PM Subject: [Syty] Fwd: Stumble - stalling -and sometime no start with msd 6almostly when engine is hot I am having this wierd problem and I am out of ideas, been changing parts and don't know what else to change. After driving hard for an half hour or so and I come to stop, the engine would stumble and shutoff, especially if I trying to parallel park. Most of the time it would restart but have to keep my foot on the gas. Sometime if it sit hot for 10 minutes , it would not restart. This always happen when I am not home, so I haven't test for spark. If I disconnect the msd 6al box , it would start right up. I sent the 6al to MSD to have it rebuild and still the same problem. MSD tech are telling me that there might be something week in my ignition and the 6al box is amplifying it. This only start happening after I switched over to 50lb injectors / chip. So far I changed msd 6al (rebuild by msd $83) o2 tps wires (taylor- ohm test before install) cap / rotor (duralast autozone) distributor - new ignition module and pick up (this was fun, I dropped the hold down bolt in the intake) ignition coil plugs - ngkur6 Fuel pressure is good, I have a guage, battery is good too. Any ideas? My next option is to borrow or buy another msd 6al. Thanks Ty369 Denny ( 212-657-9192 * Denny.Ramharakh at citigroup.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I believe what I felt was some extra brake resistance. I hadn't set the parking brake today, but for good measure, I applied and released it a few times. It didn't make a difference. I tested the brakes a few more times in the parking lot, and the wheel locked up every time. Finally I decided to try it at speed. I pulled out of the lot and got going around 30 mph and lightly tested the brakes. They seemed to have returned to normal. I drove the rest of the way home without further incident. I suppose it couldn't hurt to inspect and bleed the brakes and purge the old fluid this weekend. Any other suggestions? Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of Jabba Truck Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:47 AM To: SyTy List Subject: [Syty] Brake lockup Today nothing special happened when I drove my Syclone to lunch. When I was leaving my parking space at work to go home for the evening, it sort of felt as if I had backed into a curb, even though I was still a good six feet away. As I pulled forward, the brakes were very twitchy, and the right rear wheel screeched the tire at the slightest application of brake pedal, even when I drove just a few feet. I believe what I felt was some extra brake resistance. I hadn't set the parking brake today, but for good measure, I applied and released it a few times. It didn't make a difference. I tested the brakes a few more times in the parking lot, and the wheel locked up every time. Finally I decided to try it at speed. I pulled out of the lot and got going around 30 mph and lightly tested the brakes. They seemed to have returned to normal. I drove the rest of the way home without further incident. I suppose it couldn't hurt to inspect and bleed the brakes and purge the old fluid this weekend. Any other suggestions? Jay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050909/34bdd43f/attachment.html From denny1213 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 9 17:57:16 2005 From: denny1213 at yahoo.com (Denny Ramharakh) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Syty] Fwd: Stumble - stalling -and sometime no start with msd 6almostly when engine is hot In-Reply-To: <007201c5b537$ca101ed0$ee9d5841@coresys1> Message-ID: <20050909225716.85520.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> Dennis, Thanks for your response. You are not such a bad guy after all Denny nyc ty369 DOlivares wrote: In my experience with "high-end" MSD boxes, they do not tolerate much ambient heat. I could run all day like a raped ape in my 'Clone in the winter! But, come summertime, I would get most of the syndrome you've described. Ever since removing my MSD 7AL-3, all such problems have VANISHED! Moreover, after chopping a HOLE in the hood (for exhausting & pressure reduction while driving... no more hood bouncing up and down either!), thereby dramatically reducing underhood temperatures, I reinstalled the MSD and Voila! No more problems... unless I run the A/C in gridlock... meaning it's probably best to mount that MSD box inside the cab... somewhere away from the ECM. I'm afraid you wasted a bit of change with those weasels at MSD since their unit's heat-sensitivity problem results from their use of cheesy parts and bad heat-sink design... all that crummy potting material! In most cases, the defective circuitry exhibits only transient, recoverable misbehavior. Best way to restart when hot: either bypass the MSD at the Coil (I use Jacobs' Ultra-Coil) or lift the hood for 5 minutes or so... or try an icebag on the MSD box. Try it and see if I'm right... assuming you've installed the MSD under your unvented hood! If it's already in the cab, please disregard all the above.... D.O. --------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Denny Ramharakh To: SyTy List Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:35 PM Subject: [Syty] Fwd: Stumble - stalling -and sometime no start with msd 6almostly when engine is hot I am having this wierd problem and I am out of ideas, been changing parts and don't know what else to change. After driving hard for an half hour or so and I come to stop, the engine would stumble and shutoff, especially if I trying to parallel park. Most of the time it would restart but have to keep my foot on the gas. Sometime if it sit hot for 10 minutes , it would not restart. This always happen when I am not home, so I haven't test for spark. If I disconnect the msd 6al box , it would start right up. I sent the 6al to MSD to have it rebuild and still the same problem. MSD tech are telling me that there might be something week in my ignition and the 6al box is amplifying it. This only start happening after I switched over to 50lb injectors / chip. So far I changed msd 6al (rebuild by msd $83) o2 tps wires (taylor- ohm test before install) cap / rotor (duralast autozone) distributor - new ignition module and pick up (this was fun, I dropped the hold down bolt in the intake) ignition coil plugs - ngkur6 Fuel pressure is good, I have a guage, battery is good too. Any ideas? My next option is to borrow or buy another msd 6al. Thanks Ty369 Denny ( 212-657-9192 * Denny.Ramharakh at citigroup.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Central Daylight Time, bullyhart at aol.com writes: This message was sent to you by D, using AutoTrader.com's 'Email This Vehicle to a Friend' utility. Personal message from D : _Click on the link below or copy it into your browser to see the 1992 GMC Typhoon 4x4!_ (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=188670048&dealer_id=594699&car_year=1992&search_type=used&make=GMC&model=TYPH&distance=0&address=4 2234&advanced=&certified=&bkms=1126291228115&max_price=100000&min_price=1&firs t_record=51&end_year=2006&start_year=1981&isp=y&pager.offset=50&lang=&cardist= 223&LNX=ESTAFSRCHUSDTEXT) If the link above does not work, please copy this link into your browser to see the 1992 GMC Typhoon 4x4: _http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=188670048&dealer_id=594699&car_y ear=1992&search_type=used&make=GMC&model=TYPH&distance=0&address=42234&advance d=&certified=&bkms=1126291228115&max_price=100000&min_price=1&first_record=51& end_year=2006&start_year=1981&isp=y&pager.offset=50&lang=&cardist=223&LNX=ESTA FSRCHUSDTEXT_ (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=188670048&dealer_id=594699&car_year=1992&search_type=used&make=GMC&model=TYPH&distance=0&address =42234&advanced=&certified=&bkms=1126291228115&max_price=100000&min_price=1&fi rst_record=51&end_year=2006&start_year=1981&isp=y&pager.offset=50&lang=&cardis t=223&LNX=ESTAFSRCHUSDTEXT) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Central Daylight Time, bullyhart at aol.com writes: This message was sent to you by D, using AutoTrader.com's 'Email This Vehicle to a Friend' utility. Personal message from D : _Click on the link below or copy it into your browser to see the 1992 GMC Typhoon 4x4!_ (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=188670048&dealer_id=594699&car_year=1992&search_type=used&make=GMC&model=TYPH&distance=0&address=4 2234&advanced=&certified=&bkms=1126291228115&max_price=100000&min_price=1&firs t_record=51&end_year=2006&start_year=1981&isp=y&pager.offset=50&lang=&cardist= 223&LNX=ESTAFSRCHUSDTEXT) If the link above does not work, please copy this link into your browser to see the 1992 GMC Typhoon 4x4: _http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=188670048&dealer_id=594699&car_y ear=1992&search_type=used&make=GMC&model=TYPH&distance=0&address=42234&advance d=&certified=&bkms=1126291228115&max_price=100000&min_price=1&first_record=51& end_year=2006&start_year=1981&isp=y&pager.offset=50&lang=&cardist=223&LNX=ESTA FSRCHUSDTEXT_ (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=188670048&dealer_id=594699&car_year=1992&search_type=used&make=GMC&model=TYPH&distance=0&address =42234&advanced=&certified=&bkms=1126291228115&max_price=100000&min_price=1&fi rst_record=51&end_year=2006&start_year=1981&isp=y&pager.offset=50&lang=&cardis t=223&LNX=ESTAFSRCHUSDTEXT) ----------------- Forwarded Message: Subj: D wants you to look at a 1992 GMC Typhoon 4x4 on AutoTrader.com! Date: 9/10/2005 6:59:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _bullyhart at aol.com_ (mailto:bullyhart at aol.com) To: _john at roosa.com_ (mailto:john at roosa.com) CC: _bullyhart at aol.com_ (mailto:bullyhart at aol.com) Sent from the Internet _(Details)_ (aolmsg://03abf358/inethdr/2) This message was sent to you by D, using AutoTrader.com's 'Email This Vehicle to a Friend' utility. Personal message from D : _Click on the link below or copy it into your browser to see the 1992 GMC Typhoon 4x4!_ (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=188670048&dealer_id=594699&car_year=1992&search_type=used&make=GMC&model=TYPH&distance=0&address=4 2234&advanced=&certified=&bkms=1126291228115&max_price=100000&min_price=1&firs t_record=51&end_year=2006&start_year=1981&isp=y&pager.offset=50&lang=&cardist= 223&LNX=ESTAFSRCHUSDTEXT) If the link above does not work, please copy this link into your browser to see the 1992 GMC Typhoon 4x4: _http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=188670048&dealer_id=594699&car_y ear=1992&search_type=used&make=GMC&model=TYPH&distance=0&address=42234&advance d=&certified=&bkms=1126291228115&max_price=100000&min_price=1&first_record=51& end_year=2006&start_year=1981&isp=y&pager.offset=50&lang=&cardist=223&LNX=ESTA FSRCHUSDTEXT_ (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=188670048&dealer_id=594699&car_year=1992&search_type=used&make=GMC&model=TYPH&distance=0&address =42234&advanced=&certified=&bkms=1126291228115&max_price=100000&min_price=1&fi rst_record=51&end_year=2006&start_year=1981&isp=y&pager.offset=50&lang=&cardis t=223&LNX=ESTAFSRCHUSDTEXT) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't believe I have anything to worry about with my tailpipe, and the truck is visible enough that you can see it in enough time to switch lanes and wait until the next ramp to get on the freeway, but my curiosity is getting to me. Thanks. Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050916/ae23832d/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Fri Sep 16 04:16:19 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Freeway on-ramp emission test References: Message-ID: <001a01c5ba9f$4db0dc90$a49d5841@coresys1> COAST... by all means! If possible, turn off the engine and glide through in neutral if you're that paranoid! Chances are that "camera" is an IR spectrometer which is checking for excess HC in the exhaust plume... maybe even excess CO as well... depending on how fanatical the state-EPA is and how well-funded. D.O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jabba Truck To: SyTy List Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:51 AM Subject: [Syty] Freeway on-ramp emission test Sometimes when I head home from work, there's a box truck parked along the freeway on-ramp, connected to some sort of sensing device pointed across the ramp, and what appears to be a camera pointed towards the accelerating vehicles' rear license plates. Some tripod-mounted temporary road signs declare that it is an emissions testing area. Assuming that this is set up to record some sort of violation, if a motorist had a marginal system, from say, an adjustable fuel pressure regulator adjusted for too much pressure, would it be better to coast through the measuring device, or accelerate through it? I don't believe I have anything to worry about with my tailpipe, and the truck is visible enough that you can see it in enough time to switch lanes and wait until the next ramp to get on the freeway, but my curiosity is getting to me. Thanks. Jay -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050916/9c43e975/attachment.html From Bullyhart at aol.com Fri Sep 16 06:02:31 2005 From: Bullyhart at aol.com (Bullyhart at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:02:31 EDT Subject: [Syty] Freeway on-ramp emission test Message-ID: <1aa.3e73fa00.305c0047@aol.com> Did a google search, and was surprized how many states are doing this. It wont be long before future car's ecms are queried by those remote testing sites ... _http://www.deq.state.or.us/aq/vip/data/remotesensingreport2003.pdf_ (http://www.deq.state.or.us/aq/vip/data/remotesensingreport2003.pdf) _http://www.thedenverchannel.com/automotive/2521349/detail.html_ (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/automotive/2521349/detail.html) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050916/4db6b521/attachment.html From RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com Fri Sep 16 10:34:33 2005 From: RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com (RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:34:33 EDT Subject: [Syty] Freeway on-ramp emission test Message-ID: <1c2.3115d23e.305c4009@aol.com> I don't think they are looking for violators. I Missouri they are a remote emission stations that help take the load of emission stations. They read the cars exhaust readings and take a picture of your plate so they can enter it in the system. If you drive by 2 times within in a set time period and your vehicle passes the emission test you receive your renewal papers in the mail. It beats the hell out of taking your car to an emission station and having someone run the shit out of it. Plus with Ty's and Sy's which are all wheel drive, it works out better because most of the stations around me don't know haw to deal with an all wheel drive vehicle. So no reason to turn off your truck and coast by, because if it doesn't read your exhaust emission you can't get your renewal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050916/91aaa140/attachment.html From spoooln at spoooln.com Fri Sep 16 18:50:31 2005 From: spoooln at spoooln.com (Alex Gregory) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:50:31 -0700 Subject: [Syty] Syclone #411/2997 for sale Message-ID: I bought it off a guy on the forums. He didn't say where he got it, but I had to have it. Makes it sooooo much nicer to drive. Here was the thread it came from: http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23171 Alex G. 91' Syclone #411/2998 - For Sale email me! 94' T-61 MKIV Supra 03' IS300 http://www.spoooln.com http://www.forcefedfamily.com mailto:spoooln at spoooln.com ________________________________ From: Jabba Truck [mailto:jabbatruck at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 10:43 PM To: Alex Gregory Cc: syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Syclone #411/2997 for sale Unfortunately, I'm not in a situation for buying another truck, but what's the 411 (pun intended) with the custom arm rest? Jay On 9/14/05, Alex Gregory wrote: Just wanted to let everyone know that I got some updated pictures up on craigslist. http://www.craigslist.org/eby/car/95591111.html If anyone is, or knows anyone that is interested please LMK. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050916/a85b047d/attachment.html From jabbatruck at gmail.com Sun Sep 18 07:49:59 2005 From: jabbatruck at gmail.com (Jabba Truck) Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:49:59 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Freeway on-ramp emission test In-Reply-To: <1c2.3115d23e.305c4009@aol.com> References: <1c2.3115d23e.305c4009@aol.com> Message-ID: The truck and setup looked like the ones in the pictures of the Oregon program in the .pdf Bullyhart posted. I do believe the testing is emissions related, and not speed related, especially because it is on an on-ramp that's a little too crowded to go past the speed limit. In Texas, where I live, emission requirements are set depending on which county you live in. I live in one with the highest requirements, but work in a bordering one, where the testing truck also was. On 9/16/05, RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com wrote: > > I don't think they are looking for violators. I Missouri they are a > remote emission stations that help take the load of emission stations. They > read the cars exhaust readings and take a picture of your plate so they can > enter it in the system. If you drive by 2 times within in a set time period > and your vehicle passes the emission test you receive your renewal papers in > the mail. It beats the hell out of taking your car to an emission station > and having someone run the shit out of it. Plus with Ty's and Sy's which are > all wheel drive, it works out better because most of the stations around me > don't know haw to deal with an all wheel drive vehicle. > So no reason to turn off your truck and coast by, because if it doesn't > read your exhaust emission you can't get your renewal. > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050918/9ed2986f/attachment.html From SR7TYONE at aol.com Thu Sep 22 19:14:15 2005 From: SR7TYONE at aol.com (SR7TYONE at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:14:15 EDT Subject: [Syty] custom covers Message-ID: <159.59dfc69f.3064a2d7@aol.com> who has the link for the custom made covers? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cruzin' Mel Man Semper Fi Keep your fork ----- Original Message ----- From: SR7TYONE at aol.com To: brassmonkey at ec.rr.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [Syty] custom covers yea yea why did you even respond back if you dont have what im looking for? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050922/12a1339b/attachment.html From Bullyhart at aol.com Thu Sep 22 20:45:36 2005 From: Bullyhart at aol.com (Bullyhart at aol.com) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:45:36 EDT Subject: Fw: [Syty] custom covers Message-ID: <1c7.317dddde.3064b840@aol.com> Custom Covers? Ah I know.. What type ya need? Ribbed, french ticklers or just glow in the dark? In a message dated 9/22/2005 7:36:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, brassmonkey at ec.rr.com writes: What type of custom made covers? Cruzin' Mel Man Semper Fi Keep your fork ----- Original Message ----- From: _SR7TYONE at aol.com_ (mailto:SR7TYONE at aol.com) To: _syty at syty.org_ (mailto:syty at syty.org) Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:14 PM Subject: [Syty] custom covers who has the link for the custom made covers? ____________________________________ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list _Syty at syty.org_ (mailto:Syty at syty.org) _http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty_ (http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty) _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050922/c853a34c/attachment.html From L1D2B at aol.com Sat Sep 24 15:34:50 2005 From: L1D2B at aol.com (L1D2B at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:34:50 EDT Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy & power? Message-ID: <15c.5963a484.3067126a@aol.com> I haven't tried it, but I do know how chemically different it is than the other additives that we are using. Mostly it is much, much lighter with a much higher vapor pressure - that is, it will boil off very easily, sort of like Ether, the starting fluid. There's no way it would be legal because it would raise the volatility or vapor pressure too much. This is strongly regulated and has been going down, down, down due to environmental pressures. In fact if that mixture is left in the gasoline tank very long it would all boil off. It is also a very aggressive solvent, so it would attack many plastics and elastomers strongly. Not sure of it's octane value, but it is an oxygenate - like alcohols and MTBE - so it's probably good. Also, since it's so volatile, it would probably help atomization until it all boils off, and would be a good injector cleaner - maybe too good. It also may be water soluble, unlike gasoline. Lynn D. Brown '87 GN, '89 TTA, '93 Typhoon Denver & SoCal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050924/74493eaa/attachment.html From leroy at sunflower.com Sun Sep 25 08:53:23 2005 From: leroy at sunflower.com (Jim Sloan) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 08:53:23 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power? In-Reply-To: <15c.5963a484.3067126a@aol.com> Message-ID: <200509251351.j8PDpTLW009594@smtp.sunflower.com> I haven't tried it either. I'm skeptical about it improving economy or power in the small ratios recommended. I don't think it would hurt much to try it out in those small quantities. I disagree about it boiling off in the gas tank. There's no place to boil off in a closed system. Vapors are recovered in modern emission-regulated vehicles. The vapor pressure of acetone is 180mm Hg. Gasoline is 38-300mm Hg, depending on the blend. It's hard to argue that it's more volatile, without knowing the vapor pressure of the specific blend. It is water soluble. Jim _____ From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of L1D2B at aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:35 PM To: syty at syty.org Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power? I haven't tried it, but I do know how chemically different it is than the other additives that we are using. Mostly it is much, much lighter with a much higher vapor pressure - that is, it will boil off very easily, sort of like Ether, the starting fluid. There's no way it would be legal because it would raise the volatility or vapor pressure too much. This is strongly regulated and has been going down, down, down due to environmental pressures. In fact if that mixture is left in the gasoline tank very long it would all boil off. It is also a very aggressive solvent, so it would attack many plastics and elastomers strongly. Not sure of it's octane value, but it is an oxygenate - like alcohols and MTBE - so it's probably good. Also, since it's so volatile, it would probably help atomization until it all boils off, and would be a good injector cleaner - maybe too good. It also may be water soluble, unlike gasoline. Lynn D. Brown '87 GN, '89 TTA, '93 Typhoon Denver & SoCal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050925/15cb75af/attachment.html From jsmirz at comcast.net Sun Sep 25 12:20:57 2005 From: jsmirz at comcast.net (Jeff Smirz) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:20:57 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power? In-Reply-To: <200509251351.j8PDpTLW009594@smtp.sunflower.com> Message-ID: As a chemist, I find it easy enough to agree with both Lynn and Jim. More importantly, while there would certainly be some upside to acetone as an oxygenate, the downside could be devastating to your ride: the nitrile copolymers used extensively in automotive fuel systems (because they are resistant to petroleum products) are extremely susceptible to swelling degradation by oxygenated solvents, most especially acetone and other short chain ketones. Jeff Syclone #950 (totaled in '99) Syclone #1654 (showroom condition) Typhoon #1165 (daily driver) Indy, IN on 9/25/05 8:53 AM, Jim Sloan wrote: I haven't tried it either. I'm skeptical about it improving economy or power in the small ratios recommended. I don't think it would hurt much to try it out in those small quantities. I disagree about it boiling off in the gas tank. There's no place to boil off in a closed system. Vapors are recovered in modern emission-regulated vehicles. The vapor pressure of acetone is 180mm Hg. Gasoline is 38-300mm Hg, depending on the blend. It's hard to argue that it's more volatile, without knowing the vapor pressure of the specific blend. It is water soluble. Jim From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of L1D2B at aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:35 PM To: syty at syty.org Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power? I haven't tried it, but I do know how chemically different it is than the other additives that we are using. Mostly it is much, much lighter with a much higher vapor pressure - that is, it will boil off very easily, sort of like Ether, the starting fluid. There's no way it would be legal because it would raise the volatility or vapor pressure too much. This is strongly regulated and has been going down, down, down due to environmental pressures. In fact if that mixture is left in the gasoline tank very long it would all boil off. It is also a very aggressive solvent, so it would attack many plastics and elastomers strongly. Not sure of it's octane value, but it is an oxygenate - like alcohols and MTBE - so it's probably good. Also, since it's so volatile, it would probably help atomization until it all boils off, and would be a good injector cleaner - maybe too good. It also may be water soluble, unlike gasoline. Lynn D. Brown '87 GN, '89 TTA, '93 Typhoon Denver & SoCal _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050925/5eb058ce/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Sun Sep 25 22:57:16 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:57:16 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? References: Message-ID: <001e01c5c24e$63bdfc00$8cf85a42@coresys1> Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power?Gee, that's what I was gonna say! I used to experiment with this stuff back in the '70s, but I got much more mileage improvement from TOLUENE than acetone, etc.... Also, acetone is better at scavenging water OUT of your tank than even isopropyl alcohol that they sell in high-end gas-driers.... In organic-chem lab, we used to douse our soaped-out glassware with a final shot of acetone (to remove the last races of rinse-water via adsorption rather than classic solvent-solute action) and compressed air to get ready for the next session of chimps-at-play. Mr. Wizard -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Smirz To: Jim Sloan ; L1D2B at aol.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? As a chemist, I find it easy enough to agree with both Lynn and Jim. More importantly, while there would certainly be some upside to acetone as an oxygenate, the downside could be devastating to your ride: the nitrile copolymers used extensively in automotive fuel systems (because they are resistant to petroleum products) are extremely susceptible to swelling degradation by oxygenated solvents, most especially acetone and other short chain ketones. Jeff Syclone #950 (totaled in '99) Syclone #1654 (showroom condition) Typhoon #1165 (daily driver) Indy, IN on 9/25/05 8:53 AM, Jim Sloan wrote: I haven't tried it either. I'm skeptical about it improving economy or power in the small ratios recommended. I don't think it would hurt much to try it out in those small quantities. I disagree about it boiling off in the gas tank. There's no place to boil off in a closed system. Vapors are recovered in modern emission-regulated vehicles. The vapor pressure of acetone is 180mm Hg. Gasoline is 38-300mm Hg, depending on the blend. It's hard to argue that it's more volatile, without knowing the vapor pressure of the specific blend. It is water soluble. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of L1D2B at aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:35 PM To: syty at syty.org Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power? I haven't tried it, but I do know how chemically different it is than the other additives that we are using. Mostly it is much, much lighter with a much higher vapor pressure - that is, it will boil off very easily, sort of like Ether, the starting fluid. There's no way it would be legal because it would raise the volatility or vapor pressure too much. This is strongly regulated and has been going down, down, down due to environmental pressures. In fact if that mixture is left in the gasoline tank very long it would all boil off. It is also a very aggressive solvent, so it would attack many plastics and elastomers strongly. Not sure of it's octane value, but it is an oxygenate - like alcohols and MTBE - so it's probably good. Also, since it's so volatile, it would probably help atomization until it all boils off, and would be a good injector cleaner - maybe too good. It also may be water soluble, unlike gasoline. Lynn D. Brown '87 GN, '89 TTA, '93 Typhoon Denver & SoCal _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050925/de4b5339/attachment.html From leroy at sunflower.com Mon Sep 26 06:21:57 2005 From: leroy at sunflower.com (Jim Sloan) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:21:57 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? In-Reply-To: <001e01c5c24e$63bdfc00$8cf85a42@coresys1> Message-ID: <200509261120.j8QBK5DQ013183@smtp.sunflower.com> Dennis, Do you remember what ratio of toluene you were using? Jim _____ From: DOlivares [mailto:seravilo at netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:57 PM To: Jeff Smirz; Jim Sloan; syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? Gee, that's what I was gonna say! I used to experiment with this stuff back in the '70s, but I got much more mileage improvement from TOLUENE than acetone, etc.... Also, acetone is better at scavenging water OUT of your tank than even isopropyl alcohol that they sell in high-end gas-driers.... In organic-chem lab, we used to douse our soaped-out glassware with a final shot of acetone (to remove the last races of rinse-water via adsorption rather than classic solvent-solute action) and compressed air to get ready for the next session of chimps-at-play. Mr. Wizard _____ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Smirz To: Jim Sloan ; L1D2B at aol.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? As a chemist, I find it easy enough to agree with both Lynn and Jim. More importantly, while there would certainly be some upside to acetone as an oxygenate, the downside could be devastating to your ride: the nitrile copolymers used extensively in automotive fuel systems (because they are resistant to petroleum products) are extremely susceptible to swelling degradation by oxygenated solvents, most especially acetone and other short chain ketones. Jeff Syclone #950 (totaled in '99) Syclone #1654 (showroom condition) Typhoon #1165 (daily driver) Indy, IN on 9/25/05 8:53 AM, Jim Sloan wrote: I haven't tried it either. I'm skeptical about it improving economy or power in the small ratios recommended. I don't think it would hurt much to try it out in those small quantities. I disagree about it boiling off in the gas tank. There's no place to boil off in a closed system. Vapors are recovered in modern emission-regulated vehicles. The vapor pressure of acetone is 180mm Hg. Gasoline is 38-300mm Hg, depending on the blend. It's hard to argue that it's more volatile, without knowing the vapor pressure of the specific blend. It is water soluble. Jim _____ From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of L1D2B at aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:35 PM To: syty at syty.org Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power? I haven't tried it, but I do know how chemically different it is than the other additives that we are using. Mostly it is much, much lighter with a much higher vapor pressure - that is, it will boil off very easily, sort of like Ether, the starting fluid. There's no way it would be legal because it would raise the volatility or vapor pressure too much. This is strongly regulated and has been going down, down, down due to environmental pressures. In fact if that mixture is left in the gasoline tank very long it would all boil off. It is also a very aggressive solvent, so it would attack many plastics and elastomers strongly. Not sure of it's octane value, but it is an oxygenate - like alcohols and MTBE - so it's probably good. Also, since it's so volatile, it would probably help atomization until it all boils off, and would be a good injector cleaner - maybe too good. It also may be water soluble, unlike gasoline. Lynn D. Brown '87 GN, '89 TTA, '93 Typhoon Denver & SoCal _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty _____ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/31ad71b6/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Mon Sep 26 06:39:14 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:39:14 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? References: <200509261120.j8QBK5DQ013183@smtp.sunflower.com> Message-ID: <000d01c5c28e$ed0109e0$8cf85a42@coresys1> Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power?Nah... I think I inhaled too many of those fumes way back then-- a kind of LIQUID LOBOTOMY! Toluene is much sweeter-smelling than acetone. But, I think I can safely say it was at a ratio no greater than one PINT per 15 gallons of leaded Regular... I experimented quite a bit and kept no records of such things until I started fiddling with jet/rod combinations for AFB carburetors. I seem to remember getting 5% to 15% more miles per gallon... with a concomitant increase in ignition timing.... Now, you wouldn't be drawing me out (again!) so you can start up another flaming controversy on something like molar weights and Reid vapor pressures...? The Mad Scientist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Sloan To: 'DOlivares' ; 'Jeff Smirz' ; syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:21 AM Subject: RE: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? Dennis, Do you remember what ratio of toluene you were using? Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: DOlivares [mailto:seravilo at netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:57 PM To: Jeff Smirz; Jim Sloan; syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? Gee, that's what I was gonna say! I used to experiment with this stuff back in the '70s, but I got much more mileage improvement from TOLUENE than acetone, etc.... Also, acetone is better at scavenging water OUT of your tank than even isopropyl alcohol that they sell in high-end gas-driers.... In organic-chem lab, we used to douse our soaped-out glassware with a final shot of acetone (to remove the last races of rinse-water via adsorption rather than classic solvent-solute action) and compressed air to get ready for the next session of chimps-at-play. Mr. Wizard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Smirz To: Jim Sloan ; L1D2B at aol.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? As a chemist, I find it easy enough to agree with both Lynn and Jim. More importantly, while there would certainly be some upside to acetone as an oxygenate, the downside could be devastating to your ride: the nitrile copolymers used extensively in automotive fuel systems (because they are resistant to petroleum products) are extremely susceptible to swelling degradation by oxygenated solvents, most especially acetone and other short chain ketones. Jeff Syclone #950 (totaled in '99) Syclone #1654 (showroom condition) Typhoon #1165 (daily driver) Indy, IN on 9/25/05 8:53 AM, Jim Sloan wrote: I haven't tried it either. I'm skeptical about it improving economy or power in the small ratios recommended. I don't think it would hurt much to try it out in those small quantities. I disagree about it boiling off in the gas tank. There's no place to boil off in a closed system. Vapors are recovered in modern emission-regulated vehicles. The vapor pressure of acetone is 180mm Hg. Gasoline is 38-300mm Hg, depending on the blend. It's hard to argue that it's more volatile, without knowing the vapor pressure of the specific blend. It is water soluble. Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of L1D2B at aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:35 PM To: syty at syty.org Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power? I haven't tried it, but I do know how chemically different it is than the other additives that we are using. Mostly it is much, much lighter with a much higher vapor pressure - that is, it will boil off very easily, sort of like Ether, the starting fluid. There's no way it would be legal because it would raise the volatility or vapor pressure too much. This is strongly regulated and has been going down, down, down due to environmental pressures. In fact if that mixture is left in the gasoline tank very long it would all boil off. It is also a very aggressive solvent, so it would attack many plastics and elastomers strongly. Not sure of it's octane value, but it is an oxygenate - like alcohols and MTBE - so it's probably good. Also, since it's so volatile, it would probably help atomization until it all boils off, and would be a good injector cleaner - maybe too good. It also may be water soluble, unlike gasoline. Lynn D. Brown '87 GN, '89 TTA, '93 Typhoon Denver & SoCal _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/be053748/attachment.html From leroy at sunflower.com Mon Sep 26 08:14:44 2005 From: leroy at sunflower.com (Jim Sloan) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:14:44 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? In-Reply-To: <000d01c5c28e$ed0109e0$8cf85a42@coresys1> Message-ID: <200509261312.j8QDCp8x023588@smtp.sunflower.com> That fume inhalation explains a few things. lol Good comment on being able to add timing with the increased octane. I don't think I have to draw you out to get something started. Jim Nah... I think I inhaled too many of those fumes way back then-- a kind of LIQUID LOBOTOMY! Toluene is much sweeter-smelling than acetone. But, I think I can safely say it was at a ratio no greater than one PINT per 15 gallons of leaded Regular... I experimented quite a bit and kept no records of such things until I started fiddling with jet/rod combinations for AFB carburetors. I seem to remember getting 5% to 15% more miles per gallon... with a concomitant increase in ignition timing.... Now, you wouldn't be drawing me out (again!) so you can start up another flaming controversy on something like molar weights and Reid vapor pressures...? The Mad Scientist _____ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/d6eb8afe/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Mon Sep 26 14:29:10 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:29:10 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy &power? References: Message-ID: <005b01c5c2d0$94eaf760$8df85a42@coresys1> Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power?Lead-fouling, you will find, would be LESS of a problem to sparkplugs than to the OXYGEN SENSOR, which is much harder to do without on an EFI car than a cataclyptic inverter! Let's see how long it takes Sloan to "rebut" this one! I'm READY this time!! D.O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Smirz To: DOlivares Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy &power? Ah Dennis, My memory is failing. I "lied" to you about the octane rating of toluene. Here's a response I sent to Jim Sloan: Jim, Since toluene is a 'normal' component of gasoline to begin with (aromatic hydrocarbons can be as much as 50% of premium pump gas), you could use just about any ratio. Because toluene has a slightly higher density than pump gas, it will give result in a bit more "power", although I wouldn't expect it to be noticeable, but it raises the octane rating such that you could dial in more advance and/or boost. For the record, toluene's research octane rating is 121 (motor octane rating is 107). You can figure the proportion for the base fuel your using and the eventual octane rating you want to achieve. For example, if you're using 92 octane pump gas, (whose rating is the average of RON and MON), adding 20% toluene would give a tankfull of 96.4 octane. If you've removed the catalytic converter and don't mind cleaning/replacing spark plugs, tetraethyllead is still the octane booster of choice . A little goes a long way. 12 ounces of Real Lead additive added to 15 gallons of 93 octane pump gas will result in a tankfull of 99.5 octane. If you don't want to mess with the mixing and you're friendly with the local airport, you might be able to get them to sell you 100LL aviation fuel, which already contains TEL and is 100 octane. Good luck! Jeff Syclone #950 (totaled in '99) Syclone #1654 (showroom condition) Typhoon #1165 (daily driver) Indy, IN on 9/26/05 6:39 AM, DOlivares wrote: Nah... I think I inhaled too many of those fumes way back then-- a kind of LIQUID LOBOTOMY! Toluene is much sweeter-smelling than acetone. But, I think I can safely say it was at a ratio no greater than one PINT per 15 gallons of leaded Regular... I experimented quite a bit and kept no records of such things until I started fiddling with jet/rod combinations for AFB carburetors. I seem to remember getting 5% to 15% more miles per gallon... with a concomitant increase in ignition timing.... Now, you wouldn't be drawing me out (again!) so you can start up another flaming controversy on something like molar weights and Reid vapor pressures...? The Mad Scientist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Sloan To: 'DOlivares' ; 'Jeff Smirz' ; syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:21 AM Subject: RE: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? Dennis, Do you remember what ratio of toluene you were using? Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: DOlivares [mailto:seravilo at netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:57 PM To: Jeff Smirz; Jim Sloan; syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? Gee, that's what I was gonna say! I used to experiment with this stuff back in the '70s, but I got much more mileage improvement from TOLUENE than acetone, etc.... Also, acetone is better at scavenging water OUT of your tank than even isopropyl alcohol that they sell in high-end gas-driers.... In organic-chem lab, we used to douse our soaped-out glassware with a final shot of acetone (to remove the last races of rinse-water via adsorption rather than classic solvent-solute action) and compressed air to get ready for the next session of chimps-at-play. Mr. Wizard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Smirz To: Jim Sloan ; L1D2B at aol.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? As a chemist, I find it easy enough to agree with both Lynn and Jim. More importantly, while there would certainly be some upside to acetone as an oxygenate, the downside could be devastating to your ride: the nitrile copolymers used extensively in automotive fuel systems (because they are resistant to petroleum products) are extremely susceptible to swelling degradation by oxygenated solvents, most especially acetone and other short chain ketones. Jeff Syclone #950 (totaled in '99) Syclone #1654 (showroom condition) Typhoon #1165 (daily driver) Indy, IN on 9/25/05 8:53 AM, Jim Sloan wrote: I haven't tried it either. I'm skeptical about it improving economy or power in the small ratios recommended. I don't think it would hurt much to try it out in those small quantities. I disagree about it boiling off in the gas tank. There's no place to boil off in a closed system. Vapors are recovered in modern emission-regulated vehicles. The vapor pressure of acetone is 180mm Hg. Gasoline is 38-300mm Hg, depending on the blend. It's hard to argue that it's more volatile, without knowing the vapor pressure of the specific blend. It is water soluble. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of L1D2B at aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:35 PM To: syty at syty.org Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power? I haven't tried it, but I do know how chemically different it is than the other additives that we are using. Mostly it is much, much lighter with a much higher vapor pressure - that is, it will boil off very easily, sort of like Ether, the starting fluid. There's no way it would be legal because it would raise the volatility or vapor pressure too much. This is strongly regulated and has been going down, down, down due to environmental pressures. In fact if that mixture is left in the gasoline tank very long it would all boil off. It is also a very aggressive solvent, so it would attack many plastics and elastomers strongly. Not sure of it's octane value, but it is an oxygenate - like alcohols and MTBE - so it's probably good. Also, since it's so volatile, it would probably help atomization until it all boils off, and would be a good injector cleaner - maybe too good. It also may be water soluble, unlike gasoline. Lynn D. Brown '87 GN, '89 TTA, '93 Typhoon Denver & SoCal _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/639eef12/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Mon Sep 26 14:36:39 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:36:39 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Re: Oops! Forgot to send this earlier.... References: Message-ID: <006601c5c2d1$9eb08890$8df85a42@coresys1> Oops! Forgot to send this earlier....Jeff, I never got to fool with that form of nitro 'cause I could never get a hold of a can of that stuff that Marty Robbins (or Dale Robertson... or some other NASCAR "Robber") would advertise on TV. But, as I recall, doesn't N-Methane LOWER the effective octane number of the gas in the tank...? D.O. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Smirz To: DOlivares Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Oops! Forgot to send this earlier.... Dennis, You've dusted off my long buried memory cells that remind me of my sorry days in corporate America. I'm surprised I still have a liver after washing all that glassware with acetone. "They" don't allow that any more. The lawyers saw to that. Toluene and/or xylene are MUCH better octane improvers. Isopropanol is used commercially mostly because it's lots safer than toxic methanol or acetone, and easier on the copolymers. As I'm sure you well know, nitromethane is arguably the best additive for stoplight grand prix. Jeff on 9/25/05 10:57 PM, DOlivares wrote: Gee, that's what I was gonna say! I used to experiment with this stuff back in the '70s, but I got much more mileage improvement from TOLUENE than acetone, etc.... Also, acetone is better at scavenging water OUT of your tank than even isopropyl alcohol that they sell in high-end gas-driers.... In organic-chem lab, we used to douse our soaped-out glassware with a final shot of acetone (to remove the last races of rinse-water via adsorption rather than classic solvent-solute action) and compressed air to get ready for the next session of chimps-at-play. Mr. Wizard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Smirz To: Jim Sloan ; L1D2B at aol.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? As a chemist, I find it easy enough to agree with both Lynn and Jim. More importantly, while there would certainly be some upside to acetone as an oxygenate, the downside could be devastating to your ride: the nitrile copolymers used extensively in automotive fuel systems (because they are resistant to petroleum products) are extremely susceptible to swelling degradation by oxygenated solvents, most especially acetone and other short chain ketones. Jeff Syclone #950 (totaled in '99) Syclone #1654 (showroom condition) Typhoon #1165 (daily driver) Indy, IN on 9/25/05 8:53 AM, Jim Sloan wrote: I haven't tried it either. I'm skeptical about it improving economy or power in the small ratios recommended. I don't think it would hurt much to try it out in those small quantities. I disagree about it boiling off in the gas tank. There's no place to boil off in a closed system. Vapors are recovered in modern emission-regulated vehicles. The vapor pressure of acetone is 180mm Hg. Gasoline is 38-300mm Hg, depending on the blend. It's hard to argue that it's more volatile, without knowing the vapor pressure of the specific blend. It is water soluble. Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of L1D2B at aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:35 PM To: syty at syty.org Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power? I haven't tried it, but I do know how chemically different it is than the other additives that we are using. Mostly it is much, much lighter with a much higher vapor pressure - that is, it will boil off very easily, sort of like Ether, the starting fluid. There's no way it would be legal because it would raise the volatility or vapor pressure too much. This is strongly regulated and has been going down, down, down due to environmental pressures. In fact if that mixture is left in the gasoline tank very long it would all boil off. It is also a very aggressive solvent, so it would attack many plastics and elastomers strongly. Not sure of it's octane value, but it is an oxygenate - like alcohols and MTBE - so it's probably good. Also, since it's so volatile, it would probably help atomization until it all boils off, and would be a good injector cleaner - maybe too good. It also may be water soluble, unlike gasoline. Lynn D. Brown '87 GN, '89 TTA, '93 Typhoon Denver & SoCal _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/297edc12/attachment.html From leroy at sunflower.com Mon Sep 26 14:52:48 2005 From: leroy at sunflower.com (Jim Sloan) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:52:48 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? In-Reply-To: <005b01c5c2d0$94eaf760$8df85a42@coresys1> Message-ID: <200509261951.j8QJou2l031749@smtp.sunflower.com> Dennis, I agree. They say great minds think alike. You and I think alike also. lol Jim _____ From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of DOlivares Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 2:29 PM To: Jeff Smirz Cc: syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? Importance: Low Lead-fouling, you will find, would be LESS of a problem to sparkplugs than to the OXYGEN SENSOR, which is much harder to do without on an EFI car than a cataclyptic inverter! Let's see how long it takes Sloan to "rebut" this one! I'm READY this time!! D.O. _____ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Smirz To: DOlivares Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy &power? Ah Dennis, My memory is failing. I "lied" to you about the octane rating of toluene. Here's a response I sent to Jim Sloan: Jim, Since toluene is a 'normal' component of gasoline to begin with (aromatic hydrocarbons can be as much as 50% of premium pump gas), you could use just about any ratio. Because toluene has a slightly higher density than pump gas, it will give result in a bit more "power", although I wouldn't expect it to be noticeable, but it raises the octane rating such that you could dial in more advance and/or boost. For the record, toluene's research octane rating is 121 (motor octane rating is 107). You can figure the proportion for the base fuel your using and the eventual octane rating you want to achieve. For example, if you're using 92 octane pump gas, (whose rating is the average of RON and MON), adding 20% toluene would give a tankfull of 96.4 octane. If you've removed the catalytic converter and don't mind cleaning/replacing spark plugs, tetraethyllead is still the octane booster of choice . A little goes a long way. 12 ounces of Real Lead additive added to 15 gallons of 93 octane pump gas will result in a tankfull of 99.5 octane. If you don't want to mess with the mixing and you're friendly with the local airport, you might be able to get them to sell you 100LL aviation fuel, which already contains TEL and is 100 octane. Good luck! Jeff Syclone #950 (totaled in '99) Syclone #1654 (showroom condition) Typhoon #1165 (daily driver) Indy, IN on 9/26/05 6:39 AM, DOlivares wrote: Nah... I think I inhaled too many of those fumes way back then-- a kind of LIQUID LOBOTOMY! Toluene is much sweeter-smelling than acetone. But, I think I can safely say it was at a ratio no greater than one PINT per 15 gallons of leaded Regular... I experimented quite a bit and kept no records of such things until I started fiddling with jet/rod combinations for AFB carburetors. I seem to remember getting 5% to 15% more miles per gallon... with a concomitant increase in ignition timing.... Now, you wouldn't be drawing me out (again!) so you can start up another flaming controversy on something like molar weights and Reid vapor pressures...? The Mad Scientist _____ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Sloan To: 'DOlivares' ; 'Jeff Smirz' ; syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:21 AM Subject: RE: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? Dennis, Do you remember what ratio of toluene you were using? Jim _____ From: DOlivares [mailto:seravilo at netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:57 PM To: Jeff Smirz; Jim Sloan; syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? Gee, that's what I was gonna say! I used to experiment with this stuff back in the '70s, but I got much more mileage improvement from TOLUENE than acetone, etc.... Also, acetone is better at scavenging water OUT of your tank than even isopropyl alcohol that they sell in high-end gas-driers.... In organic-chem lab, we used to douse our soaped-out glassware with a final shot of acetone (to remove the last races of rinse-water via adsorption rather than classic solvent-solute action) and compressed air to get ready for the next session of chimps-at-play. Mr. Wizard _____ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Smirz To: Jim Sloan ; L1D2B at aol.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? As a chemist, I find it easy enough to agree with both Lynn and Jim. More importantly, while there would certainly be some upside to acetone as an oxygenate, the downside could be devastating to your ride: the nitrile copolymers used extensively in automotive fuel systems (because they are resistant to petroleum products) are extremely susceptible to swelling degradation by oxygenated solvents, most especially acetone and other short chain ketones. Jeff Syclone #950 (totaled in '99) Syclone #1654 (showroom condition) Typhoon #1165 (daily driver) Indy, IN on 9/25/05 8:53 AM, Jim Sloan wrote: I haven't tried it either. I'm skeptical about it improving economy or power in the small ratios recommended. I don't think it would hurt much to try it out in those small quantities. I disagree about it boiling off in the gas tank. There's no place to boil off in a closed system. Vapors are recovered in modern emission-regulated vehicles. The vapor pressure of acetone is 180mm Hg. Gasoline is 38-300mm Hg, depending on the blend. It's hard to argue that it's more volatile, without knowing the vapor pressure of the specific blend. It is water soluble. Jim _____ From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of L1D2B at aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:35 PM To: syty at syty.org Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power? I haven't tried it, but I do know how chemically different it is than the other additives that we are using. Mostly it is much, much lighter with a much higher vapor pressure - that is, it will boil off very easily, sort of like Ether, the starting fluid. There's no way it would be legal because it would raise the volatility or vapor pressure too much. This is strongly regulated and has been going down, down, down due to environmental pressures. In fact if that mixture is left in the gasoline tank very long it would all boil off. It is also a very aggressive solvent, so it would attack many plastics and elastomers strongly. Not sure of it's octane value, but it is an oxygenate - like alcohols and MTBE - so it's probably good. Also, since it's so volatile, it would probably help atomization until it all boils off, and would be a good injector cleaner - maybe too good. It also may be water soluble, unlike gasoline. Lynn D. Brown '87 GN, '89 TTA, '93 Typhoon Denver & SoCal _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty _____ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/2e113a21/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Mon Sep 26 15:28:10 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:28:10 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? References: <200509261951.j8QJou2l031749@smtp.sunflower.com> Message-ID: <008c01c5c2d8$d124c6e0$8df85a42@coresys1> Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power?Be still, my heart! Sloan doesn't wanna come out and FIGHT this time!! Alert the Media! Halleluiah! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Sloan To: 'DOlivares' ; 'Jeff Smirz' Cc: syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: RE: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? Dennis, I agree. They say great minds think alike. You and I think alike also. lol Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of DOlivares Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 2:29 PM To: Jeff Smirz Cc: syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? Importance: Low Lead-fouling, you will find, would be LESS of a problem to sparkplugs than to the OXYGEN SENSOR, which is much harder to do without on an EFI car than a cataclyptic inverter! Let's see how long it takes Sloan to "rebut" this one! I'm READY this time!! D.O. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Smirz To: DOlivares Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy &power? Ah Dennis, My memory is failing. I "lied" to you about the octane rating of toluene. Here's a response I sent to Jim Sloan: Jim, Since toluene is a 'normal' component of gasoline to begin with (aromatic hydrocarbons can be as much as 50% of premium pump gas), you could use just about any ratio. Because toluene has a slightly higher density than pump gas, it will give result in a bit more "power", although I wouldn't expect it to be noticeable, but it raises the octane rating such that you could dial in more advance and/or boost. For the record, toluene's research octane rating is 121 (motor octane rating is 107). You can figure the proportion for the base fuel your using and the eventual octane rating you want to achieve. For example, if you're using 92 octane pump gas, (whose rating is the average of RON and MON), adding 20% toluene would give a tankfull of 96.4 octane. If you've removed the catalytic converter and don't mind cleaning/replacing spark plugs, tetraethyllead is still the octane booster of choice . A little goes a long way. 12 ounces of Real Lead additive added to 15 gallons of 93 octane pump gas will result in a tankfull of 99.5 octane. If you don't want to mess with the mixing and you're friendly with the local airport, you might be able to get them to sell you 100LL aviation fuel, which already contains TEL and is 100 octane. Good luck! Jeff Syclone #950 (totaled in '99) Syclone #1654 (showroom condition) Typhoon #1165 (daily driver) Indy, IN on 9/26/05 6:39 AM, DOlivares wrote: Nah... I think I inhaled too many of those fumes way back then-- a kind of LIQUID LOBOTOMY! Toluene is much sweeter-smelling than acetone. But, I think I can safely say it was at a ratio no greater than one PINT per 15 gallons of leaded Regular... I experimented quite a bit and kept no records of such things until I started fiddling with jet/rod combinations for AFB carburetors. I seem to remember getting 5% to 15% more miles per gallon... with a concomitant increase in ignition timing.... Now, you wouldn't be drawing me out (again!) so you can start up another flaming controversy on something like molar weights and Reid vapor pressures...? The Mad Scientist ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Sloan To: 'DOlivares' ; 'Jeff Smirz' ; syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:21 AM Subject: RE: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? Dennis, Do you remember what ratio of toluene you were using? Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DOlivares [mailto:seravilo at netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:57 PM To: Jeff Smirz; Jim Sloan; syty at syty.org Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? Gee, that's what I was gonna say! I used to experiment with this stuff back in the '70s, but I got much more mileage improvement from TOLUENE than acetone, etc.... Also, acetone is better at scavenging water OUT of your tank than even isopropyl alcohol that they sell in high-end gas-driers.... In organic-chem lab, we used to douse our soaped-out glassware with a final shot of acetone (to remove the last races of rinse-water via adsorption rather than classic solvent-solute action) and compressed air to get ready for the next session of chimps-at-play. Mr. Wizard -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Smirz To: Jim Sloan ; L1D2B at aol.com ; syty at syty.org Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for bettereconomy &power? As a chemist, I find it easy enough to agree with both Lynn and Jim. More importantly, while there would certainly be some upside to acetone as an oxygenate, the downside could be devastating to your ride: the nitrile copolymers used extensively in automotive fuel systems (because they are resistant to petroleum products) are extremely susceptible to swelling degradation by oxygenated solvents, most especially acetone and other short chain ketones. Jeff Syclone #950 (totaled in '99) Syclone #1654 (showroom condition) Typhoon #1165 (daily driver) Indy, IN on 9/25/05 8:53 AM, Jim Sloan wrote: I haven't tried it either. I'm skeptical about it improving economy or power in the small ratios recommended. I don't think it would hurt much to try it out in those small quantities. I disagree about it boiling off in the gas tank. There's no place to boil off in a closed system. Vapors are recovered in modern emission-regulated vehicles. The vapor pressure of acetone is 180mm Hg. Gasoline is 38-300mm Hg, depending on the blend. It's hard to argue that it's more volatile, without knowing the vapor pressure of the specific blend. It is water soluble. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: syty-bounces at syty.org [mailto:syty-bounces at syty.org] On Behalf Of L1D2B at aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:35 PM To: syty at syty.org Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel for better economy &power? I haven't tried it, but I do know how chemically different it is than the other additives that we are using. Mostly it is much, much lighter with a much higher vapor pressure - that is, it will boil off very easily, sort of like Ether, the starting fluid. There's no way it would be legal because it would raise the volatility or vapor pressure too much. This is strongly regulated and has been going down, down, down due to environmental pressures. In fact if that mixture is left in the gasoline tank very long it would all boil off. It is also a very aggressive solvent, so it would attack many plastics and elastomers strongly. Not sure of it's octane value, but it is an oxygenate - like alcohols and MTBE - so it's probably good. Also, since it's so volatile, it would probably help atomization until it all boils off, and would be a good injector cleaner - maybe too good. It also may be water soluble, unlike gasoline. Lynn D. Brown '87 GN, '89 TTA, '93 Typhoon Denver & SoCal _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/1b203820/attachment.html From Bullyhart at aol.com Mon Sep 26 18:42:56 2005 From: Bullyhart at aol.com (Bullyhart at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:42:56 EDT Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? Message-ID: <217.a0e2373.3069e180@aol.com> Yeah, even after you badger him three times he still ignores your cat calls. His strategy is flawless... I find it hard to take your earlier assertions regarding testing toluene as serious. You claim to have tested mixtures, yet by your own admission you "kept no records of such things until I started fiddling with jet/rod combinations for AFB carburetors." It seems reasonable to note your MPG "gains" are likely the result of jet sizing as opposed to fuel mixtures... Daron In a message dated 9/26/2005 3:29:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: Be still, my heart! Sloan doesn't wanna come out and FIGHT this time!! Alert the Media! Halleluiah! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/6a3a710f/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Mon Sep 26 19:14:35 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:14:35 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? References: <217.a0e2373.3069e180@aol.com> Message-ID: <001301c5c2f8$724ddab0$45f85a42@coresys1> Ah, The Bully wants to come out to play! ...even though nobody invited him! Wassa matter, Bully-Boy, nobody to call names? Getting outta practice? Come get your customary POUNDING, but first you have to learn to get FACTS straight.... Carb-rejet experiments came several years AFTER gas-additives! I only referred to Carter AFBs insofar as it marked a TIME (in the late-70s) when I began meticulous journals and made no claims (read your own lifted quote!) or intimations indicating that toluene, xylene, acetone, etc trials were contemporaneous with carb-mods. In fact, they were not! Why not leave the parsing of technical prose to those with a legitimate TALENT for semantics. You clearly do not. Stay away from law school; you'll flunk-out! I wonder which would win: A kangaroo... a champion jumping-frog... an impala (the African variety)... or Bully-Boy jumping to conclusions...? My bet's ON YOU, Daron! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Bullyhart at aol.com To: seravilo at netzero.net ; leroy at sunflower.com ; jsmirz at comcast.net Cc: syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? Yeah, even after you badger him three times he still ignores your cat calls. His strategy is flawless... I find it hard to take your earlier assertions regarding testing toluene as serious. You claim to have tested mixtures, yet by your own admission you "kept no records of such things until I started fiddling with jet/rod combinations for AFB carburetors." It seems reasonable to note your MPG "gains" are likely the result of jet sizing as opposed to fuel mixtures... Daron In a message dated 9/26/2005 3:29:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: Be still, my heart! Sloan doesn't wanna come out and FIGHT this time!! Alert the Media! Halleluiah! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/92a2e3c9/attachment.html From Bullyhart at aol.com Mon Sep 26 19:31:06 2005 From: Bullyhart at aol.com (Bullyhart at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:31:06 EDT Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? Message-ID: <102.6a323ac6.3069ecca@aol.com> Sounds like your original claims did indeed need clarification. Thanks for the update. I am of course a skeptic of your "findings" and would be interested to see if they can be backed up. I wonder if recent testing with a fuel injected system have been done? Surely you would be game to use your years and years of talent to make it so... Responding to your posts is akin to sticking a firecracker up a cats ass. You explode and shit flies..... Daron In a message dated 9/26/2005 7:15:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: Ah, The Bully wants to come out to play! ...even though nobody invited him! Wassa matter, Bully-Boy, nobody to call names? Getting outta practice? Come get your customary POUNDING, but first you have to learn to get FACTS straight.... Carb-rejet experiments came several years AFTER gas-additives! I only referred to Carter AFBs insofar as it marked a TIME (in the late-70s) when I began meticulous journals and made no claims (read your own lifted quote!) or intimations indicating that toluene, xylene, acetone, etc trials were contemporaneous with carb-mods. In fact, they were not! Why not leave the parsing of technical prose to those with a legitimate TALENT for semantics. You clearly do not. Stay away from law school; you'll flunk-out! I wonder which would win: A kangaroo... a champion jumping-frog... an impala (the African variety)... or Bully-Boy jumping to conclusions...? My bet's ON YOU, Daron! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/90441f8a/attachment.html From sguinn45 at qwest.net Mon Sep 26 19:47:04 2005 From: sguinn45 at qwest.net (steve guinn) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:47:04 -0700 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuelforbettereconomy&power? References: <217.a0e2373.3069e180@aol.com> <001301c5c2f8$724ddab0$45f85a42@coresys1> Message-ID: <001401c5c2fc$fb0b5c20$39ce0d82@cx636976b> This is still the most enjoyable site I know of. The banter helps take the realities away. Still don't have another TY-yet. Bought a 1987 GN with 8500 miles on it. Anybody want to trade a low mile GN for a low mile TY? My experience is that the GN is way tougher and faster. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: DOlivares To: Bullyhart at aol.com ; leroy at sunflower.com ; jsmirz at comcast.net Cc: syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuelforbettereconomy&power? Ah, The Bully wants to come out to play! ...even though nobody invited him! Wassa matter, Bully-Boy, nobody to call names? Getting outta practice? Come get your customary POUNDING, but first you have to learn to get FACTS straight.... Carb-rejet experiments came several years AFTER gas-additives! I only referred to Carter AFBs insofar as it marked a TIME (in the late-70s) when I began meticulous journals and made no claims (read your own lifted quote!) or intimations indicating that toluene, xylene, acetone, etc trials were contemporaneous with carb-mods. In fact, they were not! Why not leave the parsing of technical prose to those with a legitimate TALENT for semantics. You clearly do not. Stay away from law school; you'll flunk-out! I wonder which would win: A kangaroo... a champion jumping-frog... an impala (the African variety)... or Bully-Boy jumping to conclusions...? My bet's ON YOU, Daron! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bullyhart at aol.com To: seravilo at netzero.net ; leroy at sunflower.com ; jsmirz at comcast.net Cc: syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? Yeah, even after you badger him three times he still ignores your cat calls. His strategy is flawless... I find it hard to take your earlier assertions regarding testing toluene as serious. You claim to have tested mixtures, yet by your own admission you "kept no records of such things until I started fiddling with jet/rod combinations for AFB carburetors." It seems reasonable to note your MPG "gains" are likely the result of jet sizing as opposed to fuel mixtures... Daron In a message dated 9/26/2005 3:29:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: Be still, my heart! Sloan doesn't wanna come out and FIGHT this time!! Alert the Media! Halleluiah! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/326bcf42/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Mon Sep 26 20:28:37 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:28:37 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? References: <102.6a323ac6.3069ecca@aol.com> Message-ID: <005301c5c302$ca103d60$45f85a42@coresys1> "Apology" ...acknowledged! Try that same firecracker stunt with a SKUNK and you'll begin to get a li'l of my perspective on these in-your-face posts I get. Fortunately, I have Hulk-like skin (and other anatomical similarities as well) so that sometimes "The Pi?ata" gets to HIT BACK! ...and score!! Does Brian let us say stuff like "shit flies" on this BBS now? Hot damn! Now, I can really uncork!! Get your sunglasses on, folks, unless you want your eyeballs scalded!!! For the rest of you NON-wise-asses out there, I eventually gave up on gas-additives, at least for mileage purposes, 'cause the costs of the additive exceeded the gasoline savings-- at least in those halcyon below-$3-per-gallon daze.... Now, I only use Techron-rich "44K" from BG Products which SCOURS-OUT injectors, manifolds, combustion chambers, sparkplugz, and even catalytic beds/screens (for those who still use those things...), especially NOT having to pay $18+ per can for the juice! (Back when I ran the Employees' Garage at NASA-Goddamn Spaceship Center I bought 4 cases of the stuff at federal, GSA prices... tax-free, of course... and got away at better than HALF what ordinary folks would pay nowadays!) That 44K really works... like a can of Drano every 6 months or so!! But, "Olivares R&D" did yield a certain hardware-based solution which raised my Sunoco-94 octane number at least 5 points-- making for damn-near ping-proof street performance with 21psi boost-- and mileage improvement from just under 20mpg to a solid (and repeatedly measured) 22.3mpg... better than 11% more range per tankful... for combined city/highway driving through DC, MD, and Northern VA! However, this was no "software" liquid additive.... It's TOP SECRET hardware manipulation I did not invent but merely PERFECTED... and will one day soon resume development of (especially if Southwest Research Institute will give me a damn job and thereby triple their earning potential!) in the vain hopes of getting the costs down.... Mister-E -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Bullyhart at aol.com To: seravilo at netzero.net ; leroy at sunflower.com ; jsmirz at comcast.net Cc: syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? Sounds like your original claims did indeed need clarification. Thanks for the update. I am of course a skeptic of your "findings" and would be interested to see if they can be backed up. I wonder if recent testing with a fuel injected system have been done? Surely you would be game to use your years and years of talent to make it so... Responding to your posts is akin to sticking a firecracker up a cats ass. You explode and shit flies..... Daron In a message dated 9/26/2005 7:15:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: Ah, The Bully wants to come out to play! ...even though nobody invited him! Wassa matter, Bully-Boy, nobody to call names? Getting outta practice? Come get your customary POUNDING, but first you have to learn to get FACTS straight.... Carb-rejet experiments came several years AFTER gas-additives! I only referred to Carter AFBs insofar as it marked a TIME (in the late-70s) when I began meticulous journals and made no claims (read your own lifted quote!) or intimations indicating that toluene, xylene, acetone, etc trials were contemporaneous with carb-mods. In fact, they were not! Why not leave the parsing of technical prose to those with a legitimate TALENT for semantics. You clearly do not. Stay away from law school; you'll flunk-out! I wonder which would win: A kangaroo... a champion jumping-frog... an impala (the African variety)... or Bully-Boy jumping to conclusions...? My bet's ON YOU, Daron! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/e811833b/attachment.html From seravilo at netzero.net Mon Sep 26 20:38:29 2005 From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:38:29 -0500 Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuelforbettereconomy&power? References: <217.a0e2373.3069e180@aol.com> <001301c5c2f8$724ddab0$45f85a42@coresys1> <001401c5c2fc$fb0b5c20$39ce0d82@cx636976b> Message-ID: <005b01c5c304$2b420680$45f85a42@coresys1> How 'bout trading a 84,855-mile Radar-Bluey...? Mister-E -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: steve guinn To: DOlivares ; Bullyhart at aol.com ; leroy at sunflower.com ; jsmirz at comcast.net Cc: syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuelforbettereconomy&power? This is still the most enjoyable site I know of. The banter helps take the realities away. Still don't have another TY-yet. Bought a 1987 GN with 8500 miles on it. Anybody want to trade a low mile GN for a low mile TY? My experience is that the GN is way tougher and faster. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: DOlivares To: Bullyhart at aol.com ; leroy at sunflower.com ; jsmirz at comcast.net Cc: syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuelforbettereconomy&power? Ah, The Bully wants to come out to play! ...even though nobody invited him! Wassa matter, Bully-Boy, nobody to call names? Getting outta practice? Come get your customary POUNDING, but first you have to learn to get FACTS straight.... Carb-rejet experiments came several years AFTER gas-additives! I only referred to Carter AFBs insofar as it marked a TIME (in the late-70s) when I began meticulous journals and made no claims (read your own lifted quote!) or intimations indicating that toluene, xylene, acetone, etc trials were contemporaneous with carb-mods. In fact, they were not! Why not leave the parsing of technical prose to those with a legitimate TALENT for semantics. You clearly do not. Stay away from law school; you'll flunk-out! I wonder which would win: A kangaroo... a champion jumping-frog... an impala (the African variety)... or Bully-Boy jumping to conclusions...? My bet's ON YOU, Daron! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Bullyhart at aol.com To: seravilo at netzero.net ; leroy at sunflower.com ; jsmirz at comcast.net Cc: syty at syty.org Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? Yeah, even after you badger him three times he still ignores your cat calls. His strategy is flawless... I find it hard to take your earlier assertions regarding testing toluene as serious. You claim to have tested mixtures, yet by your own admission you "kept no records of such things until I started fiddling with jet/rod combinations for AFB carburetors." It seems reasonable to note your MPG "gains" are likely the result of jet sizing as opposed to fuel mixtures... Daron In a message dated 9/26/2005 3:29:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, seravilo at netzero.net writes: Be still, my heart! Sloan doesn't wanna come out and FIGHT this time!! Alert the Media! Halleluiah! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Syty mailing list Syty at syty.org http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050926/7e180618/attachment.html From L1D2B at aol.com Mon Sep 26 22:27:02 2005 From: L1D2B at aol.com (L1D2B at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:27:02 EDT Subject: [Syty] Anyone here using acetone in their fuel forbettereconomy&power? Message-ID: <1ab.4053820c.306a1606@aol.com> I think it's well established by gasoline blenders that 20 % is about as much of the aromatic compounds that U want to blend into pump gasoline. Benzene would be the best, but that's now illegal, toluene is the next best, but like all aromatics, although it has great octane, it is much denser than gasoline and not as volatile. So, it will raise octane for sure, raise mileage because U have more Lbs in a Gallon, raise emissions due to its higher carbon content and lower hydrogen content, and be a little sluggish at starting and in colder weather. The Xylenes - there R a couple of isomers - are heavier still, and will accentuate the negative effects; altho' it is easier too get hold of. Lynn D. Brown '87 GN, '89 TTA, '93 Typhoon Denver & SoCal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.syty.org/pipermail/syty/attachments/20050927/7326326c/attachment.html From brassmonkey at ec.rr.com Tue Sep 27 19:16:59 2005 From: brassmonkey at ec.rr.com (Mel) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:16:59 -0400 Subject: [Syty] brain teaser - 20 Message-ID: <007201c5c3c1$f1b3bd00$47f83842@mgochnour> I know this is off topic, but it is better than some posts I have seen on here. Have fun!!!!! Subject: Brain Teaser The average person only gets 7 right. This is based on U.S. info, so use all lobes of your brain. This can be more difficult than it looks - it just shows how little most of us really see! There are 25 questions about things we see every day or have known about all our lives. How many can you get right? These little simple questions are harder than you think. It just shows how little we pay attention to the commonplace things of life. RULES: Put your thinking caps on. No cheating! No looking around! No getting out of your chair! No using anything on or in your desk or computer! Can you beat 20?? (The average is 7) Write down your answers and check answers (on the bottom) AFTER completing all the questions. REMEMBER-NO CHEATING!!! It doesn't matter if you cheat, actually, because if you have to cheat, then you don't know the answer, thus, you've already missed the question. BE HONEST!!! That means no looking at your phone or anything on your desk... Then, before you pass this on to your friends, change the number on the subject line to show how many you got correct. Forward to your friends and also back to the one who sent it to you. LET'S JUST SEE HOW OBSERVANT YOU REALLY ARE. - If not, just have fun! Here we go! 1. On a standard traffic light, is the green on the top or bottom? 2. How many states are there in the USA? (Don't laugh, some people don't know.) 3. In which hand is the Statue of Liberty's torch? 4. What six colors are on the classic Campbell's soup label? 5. What two numbers on the telephone dial don't have letters by them? 6. When you walk does your left arm swing with your right or left leg? 7. How many matches are in a standard pack? 8. On the United States flag is the top stripe red or white? 9. What is the lowest number on the FM dial? (Don't look at that dial!) 10. Which way does water go down the drain, counter or clockwise? 11. Which way does a "no smoking" sign's slash run? 12. How many channels on a VHF TV dial? 13. On which side of a women's blouse are the buttons? 14. Which way do fans rotate? 15. How many sides does a stop sign have? 16. Do books have even-numbered pages on the right or left side? 17. How many lug nuts are on a standard car wheel? 18. How many sides are there on a standard pencil? 19. Sleepy, Happy, Sneezy, Grumpy, Dopey, Doc. Who's missing? 20. How many hot dog buns are in a standard package? 21. On which playing card is the card maker's trademark? 22. On which side of a venetian blind is the cord that adjusts the opening between the slats? 23. There are 12 buttons on a touch tone phone. What 2 symbols bear no digits? 24. How many curves are there in the standard paper clip? 25. Does a merry-go-round turn counter or clockwise? __________________________________________________________ ANSWERS 1) Bottom 2) 50 3) Right 4) Blue, red, white, yellow, black & gold 5) 1 and 0 6) Right 7) 20 8) Red 9) 87.7 10) Clockwise (north of the equator) 11) From lower right to upper left 12) 12 (there is no #1) 13) 13.Left 14) Clockwise as you look at it from the front. (Unless there is a reverse switch) 15) 8 16) Left 17) 5 18) 6 19) Bashful 20) 8! 21) Ace of spades 22) Left 23) * and # 24) 3 25) Counter Now send it to some of your friends and put your score in the subject box!!! Cruzin' Mel Man Semper Fi Keep your fork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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